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(Yahoo)   Bill Gates admits that the core design of one of the most basic functions of Windows was a mistake. Not, not that one. Not that one either. Or that one. Or that one. No, not that one either. Keep guessing, you'll get there eventually   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 19
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2013-09-26 08:03:06 PM
9 votes:

cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys


I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta
2013-09-26 09:57:29 PM
3 votes:
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2013-09-26 08:45:49 PM
3 votes:
I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.
2013-09-26 07:51:36 PM
3 votes:
There is nothing wrong with combo keys
2013-09-26 10:55:11 PM
2 votes:

Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.

No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.

The VMM (Virtual Memory Manager)?  I never dicked around with it, because Win98 was a heaping pile of shiat compared to XP (any OS that can lock up because of the actions of a program that's running sucks ass) - but if you wanted to run an experiment, I'd bet you could tweak system.ini to get a least 1GB of memory working, and you could create a RAMdisk with the rest of the memory and put the page file on that.  98 would probably scream at that point no matter what you were running on it.


No. 768MB was about the highest stable amount of RAM. 1GB was the absolute coded limit, but there were other bits of 98 that wanted those last 256MB.

This was confirmed on MS' support pages. Trust me, I spent months dicking with Win98 before I came across the guy with the patch.

And I liked 98 cos I learned 95 inside-out in school. It was essentially the same. I had such a good handle on my computer than when it got hit with the port 135 worm, within 2 seconds I could tell something was wrong and pulled my cable connection.

Damn Vista's always doing shiat I never told it to do. Too complicated an OS.
2013-09-26 09:40:39 PM
2 votes:
You know what else is a mistake? Mobile sites that don't let you resize to screen width. For fark's sake, Yahoo.
2013-09-27 03:11:25 AM
1 votes:

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination" At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


It dates back to the original 5150:

www.vintagecomputer.net

IIRC, they wanted a quick way of resetting the computer during development, but they didn't want anything you could accidentally hit. C-A-D fit the bill. Someone forgot to remove the functionality from the production units (because why would you want a quick way to restart a machine that took several minutes to come back after a power cycle?), and it became popular and stuck around.
2013-09-27 01:40:03 AM
1 votes:

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


Control-Alt-Delete was used (for login screens) because it was a "secure" key combination.  As it used a hardware interrupt, you could not intercept it to bring up a "fake" login screen (thereby allowing a hacker to steal login credentials)
2013-09-27 12:41:33 AM
1 votes:

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


I remember the first time I ever saw the "CTR-ALT-DEL to log in" screen.  I thought it was a joke someone had put on my new computer.

Anyway, the biggest two mistakes Windows ever made was cooperative multitasking instead of pre-emptive multitasking, and not taking whoever designed their virtual memory manager out behind the building and shooting them in the face.
2013-09-27 12:20:55 AM
1 votes:

un4gvn666: TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).

??
The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.


Not always has.  In the olden days of PCs the PrtScrn button would actually print your screen to the printer on LPT1.  Thank goodness my Mac keyboard doesn't have dumb shiat like that on it in 2013.
2013-09-27 12:19:27 AM
1 votes:

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


Print Screen, while taking a copy of the screen in Windows OSes, is a throwback to UNIX terminals that would use it as a command to print forms that were on the screen to a configured print queue on the mainframe a terminal was connected to.  At work we still have some accounting software, all web based, that counts on that keypress being present.
2013-09-26 11:46:10 PM
1 votes:
Christ, it was an engineer at IBM that invented Ctrl-Alt-Del, long before Windows was even thought of.
2013-09-26 10:22:43 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.


No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.
2013-09-26 09:11:34 PM
1 votes:

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


Security.  Ctrl-Alt-Del generates a non-maskable-interrupt.  It was introduced in NT 3.1 as bringing up the logon screen.  It guarantees that the OS is responding to the request not some app pretending to be the security dialog.

There's like a page an a half on the topic in the NT 3.5 resource kit.
2013-09-26 09:07:10 PM
1 votes:
The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.
2013-09-26 08:59:39 PM
1 votes:

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


The combination meant 'reboot' long before it was 'login'.

As Bill tries to explain in the article, when they needed a login prompt, they wanted something that could not be, say, a photograph of a login prompt someone put up as a wallpaper/screensaver that then steals your password. It had to be something that went to windows and only to windows, and one of the few things that were that low to the ground was the power cycle controls. Therefore, the power cycle (reboot) key combo got re-purposed as the login combo.
2013-09-26 08:54:51 PM
1 votes:

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.
2013-09-26 08:28:32 PM
1 votes:

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


All I know is that I am pissed that they no longer have the Turbo button IBM compatibles once had
2013-09-26 08:20:23 PM
1 votes:

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


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