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(Yahoo)   Bill Gates admits that the core design of one of the most basic functions of Windows was a mistake. Not, not that one. Not that one either. Or that one. Or that one. No, not that one either. Keep guessing, you'll get there eventually   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line 121
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2013-09-27 08:08:51 AM  

MrEricSir: [img802.imageshack.us image 640x480]

But Ctrl-Alt-Delete helps keep my computer secure, which is something people who use Windows are deeply concerned with.


CSB:  Back in the day some friends and I wrote a quick app to look exactly like the Novell login window and set it up to capture out teacher's login creds by claiming there was a problem with the computer, we'd have been thwarted if there was something like the ctrl-alt-del combo required prior to getting that login window to come up.
 
2013-09-27 08:24:17 AM  
Fire up a DOS 3.0 box with a bad 5-pin DIN port and you are greeted with:
"Keyboard error or no keyboard detected. Press F2 to continue..."

///8-bit face-palm
 
2013-09-27 08:48:55 AM  

ekdikeo4: Christ, it was an engineer at IBM that invented Ctrl-Alt-Del, long before Windows was even thought of.


Exactly. You hold subby's arms and I'll kick him in the nuts.
 
2013-09-27 09:25:01 AM  

lordargent: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt. No amount of ripping keys off your keyboard can fix that level of stupidity.

My terminal program of choice (in Ubuntu) thankfully has a solution for that.

[www.lordargent.com image 460x576]

// Set copy (from the terminal) to whatever combo you want.

// Works because a terminal is basically the only place I ever need to hit CTRL+C to break, and also need to copy text from.


My terminal in Mint has Ctrl+Shift+C for copy and Ctrl+C for interrupt.  I never changed them from the defaults because for my current needs, I don't have to.
 
2013-09-27 09:44:51 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Back in the day some friends and I wrote a quick app to look exactly like the Novell login window and set it up to capture out teacher's login creds


STOP farkING CHEATING IN SCHOOL
 
2013-09-27 09:50:32 AM  

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


I bought some cheap keyboards at work about a year ago and they came with a "Power" button. I didn't notice the button and deployed them into the field.

The problem is that Instead of putting that button in a different or unusual position, it is at the exact same position as the "Pause / Break" button on a normal keyboard. I use that button when I open system properties in Windows boxes by pressing the shortcut "Windows key" + "Pause/Break". It's bitten me on the ass a few times and I've shut down their computers on accident while working on them. I need to get chunk those keyboards.

Plus it has the 2 row enter button.

Here's one of the keyboards next to a normal one:

i724.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 09:59:56 AM  

MadMattressMack: Here's one of the keyboards next to a normal one:


who the...  why...  what the...
 
2013-09-27 10:03:40 AM  

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


This. There's a computer at work with a keyboard that has a sleep button, and it's very close to the escape key. Can be a pain sometimes.
 
2013-09-27 10:11:20 AM  

StopLurkListen: What I'm frustrated about is the "Wifi OFF" switch on laptops. (Maybe it's just Dell?)

I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

[howdoyoujew.com image 450x293]


IBM does that too, well, back when they made laptops. Not sure about the Lenovo ones now. My wife refers to the one on her laptop as the "break the internet button".
 
2013-09-27 10:17:22 AM  

frepnog: MadMattressMack: Here's one of the keyboards next to a normal one:

who the...  why...  what the...


I know. The first time I shut one down while working on it I just thought it was a prank or something. This is a company that's trolling their customers. There's nothing else I can come up with.
 
2013-09-27 10:21:42 AM  

Jormungandr: StopLurkListen: What I'm frustrated about is the "Wifi OFF" switch on laptops. (Maybe it's just Dell?)

I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

[howdoyoujew.com image 450x293]

IBM does that too, well, back when they made laptops. Not sure about the Lenovo ones now. My wife refers to the one on her laptop as the "break the internet button".


They all do it. But some of them use a function plus some other key to do it. That way it's 10x harder for a user to figure it out when they do it. At least you can see the position of a button. Plus there's no real standardized wifi symbol so trying to talk someone through finding the button is different on every laptop.

I'm happier with the wifi switch over the function version.
 
2013-09-27 11:06:34 AM  

MadMattressMack: I'm happier with the wifi switch over the function version.


yeah, it is actually easier to have some fool look for a hardware switch.
 
2013-09-27 11:18:20 AM  

frepnog: BumpInTheNight: Back in the day some friends and I wrote a quick app to look exactly like the Novell login window and set it up to capture out teacher's login creds

STOP farkING CHEATING IN SCHOOL


What just because he was also the school's network administrator and stupidly tied the class room lab computers into the same network and account system as the rest of the school you automatically assume we were aiming to cheat?  Well you're right, but that's not the point :P
 
2013-09-27 11:58:06 AM  
Does this mean I get to blame Bill Gates for B^U as well? That would be nice.
 
2013-09-27 01:39:24 PM  
47 is the new 42: My terminal in Mint has Ctrl+Shift+C for copy and Ctrl+C for interrupt. I never changed them from the defaults because for my current needs, I don't have to.

On the windows side, CTRL+X is cut, so it made more sense to me.
 
2013-09-27 02:58:11 PM  

ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!

If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.

/crappy laptop decided to lose all mouse and touchpad functionality.

I got looks of awe and/or horror every time the fax machine jammed and I - gasp! - opened it up and pulled out the toner to get at the paper jam. You'd think I was disarming a bomb or something. "no, press the green button!..."

In all seriousness, though, are you sure you didn't just trigger a setting someplace that switched off the touchpad? I've had mine turned off since, oh, ten minutes after getting my laptop.... Lenovo lets you disable it so you can stop hitting the damn thing with your wrists while typing. (And the control for it and the keyboard nipple are separate.) The same screen probably does handle the mouse, but mice have lots of other ways to fail all by themselves, and if the mouse fails, but having one connected is set to turn off the touchpad.... tada!


It happened when I took it off the docking station, and everything worked again after a restart.  I never figured it out, and it never happened again.  This laptop liked to overheat, and it would often drop key presses.  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.
 
2013-09-27 03:47:30 PM  

PanicMan: ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir:  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.


GIS result for spectacular hard disk failure

www.drivedatarecovery.com
 
2013-09-27 05:01:31 PM  

MadMattressMack: PanicMan: ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir:  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.

GIS result for spectacular hard disk failure

[www.drivedatarecovery.com image 359x275]


Yow, that plate got shattered.  WTF?!
 
2013-09-27 05:43:47 PM  
It wasn't a mistake and I'm confused why he would say it was. There is a very important reason for that key combination (having to do with low level interrupts preventing software from spoofing a login screen). If pressing three keys is too challenging for someone they shouldn't be using a computer to begin with.
 
2013-09-27 08:56:14 PM  

Rwa2play: MadMattressMack: PanicMan: ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir:  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.

GIS result for spectacular hard disk failure

[www.drivedatarecovery.com image 359x275]

Yow, that plate got shattered.  WTF?!


In the very early days of FAT16 development there were BOTH defragment and fragment programs available for HDD maintenance. Guess which one was phased out?
 
2013-09-28 04:25:41 AM  
I am glad they have sopped putting sleep/power etc keys on keyboards. I remember a time when I would get a new keyboard, open the box and get out a screwdriver and remove about 3 keys straight away...
 
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