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(Yahoo)   Bill Gates admits that the core design of one of the most basic functions of Windows was a mistake. Not, not that one. Not that one either. Or that one. Or that one. No, not that one either. Keep guessing, you'll get there eventually   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 121
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2013-09-26 10:34:24 PM  
MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt. No amount of ripping keys off your keyboard can fix that level of stupidity.

My terminal program of choice (in Ubuntu) thankfully has a solution for that.

www.lordargent.com

// Set copy (from the terminal) to whatever combo you want.

// Works because a terminal is basically the only place I ever need to hit CTRL+C to break, and also need to copy text from.
 
2013-09-26 10:35:40 PM  

jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!


Some things should be the same in every program -- especially when it means the difference between potentially stopping a program and copying text. Those aren't the kinds of things you want to mix up.
 
2013-09-26 10:39:21 PM  

Pinhedd: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

It's used as the login combo because it's snapped up by the kernel without ever being exposed to any application. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Del at a real login prompt you'll get the appropriate dialogue box. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Del at an application masquerading as a login prompt to fish for passwords you'll get task manager. After login it prevents any application from fully capturing user input to the point where it can't be released and the offending task terminated through the task manager.


Exactly. It's a full system interrupt. Whatever is running when you hit that combo, it stops and the OS steps up. The exact key combo is a legacy going back to the DOS days, but the function is one that is not useless.

If there's a trojan trying to grab logins, that combo ensures you aren't giving it your login. It's also not necessarily mandatory- you don't HAVE to have that enabled if you don't want to.
 
2013-09-26 10:39:34 PM  
I think it's amusing that they think Bill has any idea why they chose the C-A-D hotkey combo for windows login.

Once you've booted up an operating system, that key combo can do anything or nothing.
 
2013-09-26 10:41:33 PM  

Invisible Pedestrian: You can always use ctrl-insert for copy and shift-insert for paste (cut is shift-del).  That was a standard before ctrl-x/c/v came along and many programs still allow it today.


It still seems to be the norm over in the Unix world where CTRL-C is still used to send a trap that halts the program.

Would have made more sense to have included a meta or compose key back in the day for use with those combos.
 
2013-09-26 10:43:28 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.

No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.


The VMM (Virtual Memory Manager)?  I never dicked around with it, because Win98 was a heaping pile of shiat compared to XP (any OS that can lock up because of the actions of a program that's running sucks ass) - but if you wanted to run an experiment, I'd bet you could tweak system.ini to get a least 1GB of memory working, and you could create a RAMdisk with the rest of the memory and put the page file on that.  98 would probably scream at that point no matter what you were running on it.
 
2013-09-26 10:45:03 PM  

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


I'm thinking they should have used the Any key instead.

www.bentbay.dk
 
2013-09-26 10:52:52 PM  

PanicMan: If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.


There are LOTS of people who have no idea that it's possible to navigate around a GUI using only the keyboard. If the tab order is set correctly, I can zip through a GUI form much faster than someone who takes their hands off the keyboard to grab the mouse and click on the next field.

/And yes, it makes me feel smug.
//Get off my lawn.
 
2013-09-26 10:55:11 PM  

Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.

No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.

The VMM (Virtual Memory Manager)?  I never dicked around with it, because Win98 was a heaping pile of shiat compared to XP (any OS that can lock up because of the actions of a program that's running sucks ass) - but if you wanted to run an experiment, I'd bet you could tweak system.ini to get a least 1GB of memory working, and you could create a RAMdisk with the rest of the memory and put the page file on that.  98 would probably scream at that point no matter what you were running on it.


No. 768MB was about the highest stable amount of RAM. 1GB was the absolute coded limit, but there were other bits of 98 that wanted those last 256MB.

This was confirmed on MS' support pages. Trust me, I spent months dicking with Win98 before I came across the guy with the patch.

And I liked 98 cos I learned 95 inside-out in school. It was essentially the same. I had such a good handle on my computer than when it got hit with the port 135 worm, within 2 seconds I could tell something was wrong and pulled my cable connection.

Damn Vista's always doing shiat I never told it to do. Too complicated an OS.
 
2013-09-26 11:00:08 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.

No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.

The VMM (Virtual Memory Manager)?  I never dicked around with it, because Win98 was a heaping pile of shiat compared to XP (any OS that can lock up because of the actions of a program that's running sucks ass) - but if you wanted to run an experiment, I'd bet you could tweak system.ini to get a least 1GB of memory working, and you could create a RAMdisk with the rest of the memory and put the page file on that.  98 would probably scream at that point no matter what you were running on it.

No. 768MB was about the highest stable amount of RAM. 1GB was the absolute coded limit, but there were other bits of 98 that wanted those last 256MB.

This was confirmed on MS' support pages. Trust me, I spent months dicking with Win98 before I came across the guy with the patch.

And I liked 98 cos I learned 95 inside-out in school. It was essentially the same. I had such a good handle on my computer than when it got hit with the port 135 worm, within 2 seconds I could tell something was wrong and pulled my cable connection.

Damn Vista's always doing shiat I ...


Well Vista is a pile of shiat.  Jesus Christ, at least move to 7 if you're going to run an NT kernel.
 
2013-09-26 11:03:24 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.


My newish laptop has CTRL/fn/windows/ALT. Makes for great fun when trying to do keyboard copy and paste. Or ssh to a Linux box.

/windows 8 laptop, so you need to use the windows key...
 
2013-09-26 11:28:42 PM  
Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).
 
2013-09-26 11:30:57 PM  
The ctrl alt delete thing is going away, thankfully.... Helpful, since a lot of companies are now really pushing Virtual Machines. Explaining to a user than when she logs into a Win7 VM from a Win7 machine and both have been resting for her lunch break that the first ctrl alt delete screen she sees is the local machine, and that the next one she sees is the VM one isn't fun. I explained to my prior company that they need to make a change to the Win7 login screen so people can tell the difference between the two, but they were too busy getting ready to outsource everyone's jobs.

The best way I found to describe it to people is, and this only works if they've seen it, is logging in under those conditions is like the movie Inception. Or for the old people, one of those little Russian egg toys that contains more eggs that look alike when you open it up.

After showing them how to log in, going on to explain that ctrl alt delete does nothing to their VM, and they need to hit ctrl F1 was another massive timekiller.
 
2013-09-26 11:32:43 PM  

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


Hit that key, then open Paint and hit paste. It takes a screenshot, at least as recent as WIn7, IIRC. Most modern laptops don't even have that key anymore, but still have the "break" and "pause" buttons.
 
2013-09-26 11:36:03 PM  

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


??
The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.
 
2013-09-26 11:42:20 PM  

gingerjet: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

Sure twenty years ago.  But the damn combination is still around and should of been dead and buried a decade ago.  Proof once again that Microsoft can't do anything right with its OS.


Alternate universe:  what?  goddammit, Ctrl-Alt-Delete was the LAST THING that was consistent and predictable.  Why the hell would they change it?  Proof once again that Microsoft can't do anything right with its OS!
 
2013-09-26 11:42:50 PM  

un4gvn666: TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).

??
The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.


Seriously. I have used that to put more screenshots into more documents than I could ever possibly remember.

CSB:
Back in 1984, my dad brought home an original IBM PC (256K RAM, 4MHz processor, text-only green-screen monitor). On that machine, the PrtSc key would actually dump the text that was currently displayed on the screen to the printer attached to the LPT1 parallel port.
 
2013-09-26 11:46:10 PM  
Christ, it was an engineer at IBM that invented Ctrl-Alt-Del, long before Windows was even thought of.
 
2013-09-26 11:47:44 PM  

enry: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.

My newish laptop has CTRL/fn/windows/ALT. Makes for great fun when trying to do keyboard copy and paste. Or ssh to a Linux box.

/windows 8 laptop, so you need to use the windows key...


Windows 8 laptop? Gya!
 
2013-09-27 12:00:43 AM  

un4gvn666: The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.


And Alt+PrntScrn copies only the active window's image to the clipboard.  Very handy when you have dual monitors and don't want to paste the whole darn thing.
 
2013-09-27 12:19:27 AM  

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


Print Screen, while taking a copy of the screen in Windows OSes, is a throwback to UNIX terminals that would use it as a command to print forms that were on the screen to a configured print queue on the mainframe a terminal was connected to.  At work we still have some accounting software, all web based, that counts on that keypress being present.
 
2013-09-27 12:20:55 AM  

un4gvn666: TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).

??
The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.


Not always has.  In the olden days of PCs the PrtScrn button would actually print your screen to the printer on LPT1.  Thank goodness my Mac keyboard doesn't have dumb shiat like that on it in 2013.
 
2013-09-27 12:21:45 AM  

brandent: Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta

I'm thinking they should have used the Any key instead.

[www.bentbay.dk image 288x288]


OK, well that answers my question.
 
2013-09-27 12:27:18 AM  
(Not-so) CSB: I did a contract job for city government in Milwaukee, WI. There was an accountant that would hover his middle and index finger on his left hand over the CTRL and ALT keys and his right index finger over the delete key. He would count (aloud) 1-2-3 and slam all 3 fingers down to log-in and pull them away immediately. He was relieved when I explained to him that he could hold down the CTRL & ALT keys and then hit DEL. I spoke to him a few weeks later and he told me how much more work he was getting done now because he could always log-in on the 1st try. /facepalm
 
2013-09-27 12:40:06 AM  

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


Same reason why we still have PS/2 mice and keyboards
 
2013-09-27 12:41:33 AM  

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


I remember the first time I ever saw the "CTR-ALT-DEL to log in" screen.  I thought it was a joke someone had put on my new computer.

Anyway, the biggest two mistakes Windows ever made was cooperative multitasking instead of pre-emptive multitasking, and not taking whoever designed their virtual memory manager out behind the building and shooting them in the face.
 
2013-09-27 12:47:32 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

Security.  Ctrl-Alt-Del generates a non-maskable-interrupt.  It was introduced in NT 3.1 as bringing up the logon screen.  It guarantees that the OS is responding to the request not some app pretending to be the security dialog.

There's like a page an a half on the topic in the NT 3.5 resource kit.


Folks, listen to this guy.  He is absolutely right.  The problem is that the key combination needed to be something a very low level.  The reboot combination of ctrl-alt-del was just that.  I remember reading that same page and half and finding it quite interesting actually.  The only problem I had was when I was administering both NT and OS/2 boxes on the same network.  NT boxes caught the interrupt and did a logon/security dialog.  OS/2 didn't, so boom, you would accidentally reboot.  Not fun times

The point being that a low-level interrupt was something an application couldn't spoof.  Now it is largely irrelevant, but we still have it because of history.
 
2013-09-27 12:51:49 AM  
Caps Lock
 
2013-09-27 01:31:14 AM  

cman: Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta

All I know is that I am pissed that they no longer have the Turbo button IBM compatibles once had


I miss flip-top cases.
 
2013-09-27 01:34:08 AM  

jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!


It's not entirely their fault.....Microsoft decided that actually having Ctrl-F do "find" in Word 2010 like in EVERY OTHER TEXT-ORIENTED PROGRAM was not slow or screen-filling enough, and put another layer of stupid in front of it. >.< It also has a lot of Alt commands that simply don't work right, because they tried to make them do too many things, and if you aren't pointing in exactly the right spot they try to do something else.... at least, that seems to be what the problem is, I can't figure out why else it would do different behaviors at different times.

Then again, they thought that godawful ribbon was a good idea, too. When it's actually much slower and harder to navigate. Someone needs to take their interface designers out and shoot them. Actually, no, we'll just give the interface designers guns..... that they've designed. Same outcome, and no one has to feel guilty for killing anyone!
 
2013-09-27 01:34:35 AM  
Did the Windows 95 log in matter at all? I'm pretty sure you could start up Windows without logging in, just by hitting the Escape key.
 
2013-09-27 01:40:03 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


Control-Alt-Delete was used (for login screens) because it was a "secure" key combination.  As it used a hardware interrupt, you could not intercept it to bring up a "fake" login screen (thereby allowing a hacker to steal login credentials)
 
2013-09-27 01:41:36 AM  

PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!

If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.

/crappy laptop decided to lose all mouse and touchpad functionality.


I got looks of awe and/or horror every time the fax machine jammed and I - gasp! - opened it up and pulled out the toner to get at the paper jam. You'd think I was disarming a bomb or something. "no, press the green button!..."

In all seriousness, though, are you sure you didn't just trigger a setting someplace that switched off the touchpad? I've had mine turned off since, oh, ten minutes after getting my laptop.... Lenovo lets you disable it so you can stop hitting the damn thing with your wrists while typing. (And the control for it and the keyboard nipple are separate.) The same screen probably does handle the mouse, but mice have lots of other ways to fail all by themselves, and if the mouse fails, but having one connected is set to turn off the touchpad.... tada!
 
2013-09-27 01:42:40 AM  

Cybernetic: PanicMan: If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.

There are LOTS of people who have no idea that it's possible to navigate around a GUI using only the keyboard. If the tab order is set correctly, I can zip through a GUI form much faster than someone who takes their hands off the keyboard to grab the mouse and click on the next field.

/And yes, it makes me feel smug.
//Get off my lawn.


Use this to crank through printing of confirmation e-mails.  Just hover the mouse over next, control-p, enter, click next.

/yes, still clicking, but have to do something to show productivity
//didn't think of looking for a control-next
 
2013-09-27 01:49:00 AM  

RoxtarRyan: TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).

Hit that key, then open Paint and hit paste. It takes a screenshot, at least as recent as WIn7, IIRC. Most modern laptops don't even have that key anymore, but still have the "break" and "pause" buttons.


Yep, last I checked, it would take a screenshot. IIRC, in WoW, it even saved it to a screenshots folder, rather than the clipboard.
 
2013-09-27 02:39:20 AM  

cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys


Double bucky, you're the one
You make my keyboard lots of fun
Double bucky, an additional bit or two
 
2013-09-27 02:47:56 AM  
What I'm frustrated about is the "Wifi OFF" switch on laptops. (Maybe it's just Dell?)

I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

howdoyoujew.com
 
2013-09-27 02:52:18 AM  
un4gvn666 : The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.

Apparently gnome has some anti-stupidity built in.

www.lordargent.com

// tried to set 'space' to take a screenshot.
// impossible to type without the spacebar? I_see_that_as_a_challenge.
 
2013-09-27 02:53:59 AM  
StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios
 
2013-09-27 02:56:00 AM  

lordargent: StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios


What the what? I am simple. I can turn it off? Please explain. Thanks!
 
2013-09-27 03:03:37 AM  
in 1988 I had as the login screen for my bbs "hit Ctrl, Alt, Delete for an IQ test now." It always amazed me how many nerds fell for it.
 
2013-09-27 03:11:25 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination" At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


It dates back to the original 5150:

www.vintagecomputer.net

IIRC, they wanted a quick way of resetting the computer during development, but they didn't want anything you could accidentally hit. C-A-D fit the bill. Someone forgot to remove the functionality from the production units (because why would you want a quick way to restart a machine that took several minutes to come back after a power cycle?), and it became popular and stuck around.
 
2013-09-27 03:17:52 AM  

StopLurkListen: lordargent: StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios

What the what? I am simple. I can turn it off? Please explain. Thanks!


Turn off computer. Turn on computer, and while it's doing basic hardware checks you can hit Del to enter your BIOS. It usually says, "Press Del to enter setup". Sometimes there's no prompt, so you can just hit Del ever second or so.

BIOS menus vary, but try to find that option and disable it.

/Is it ESC on some computers instead..?
 
2013-09-27 03:23:07 AM  

ZoeNekros: StopLurkListen: lordargent: StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios

What the what? I am simple. I can turn it off? Please explain. Thanks!

Turn off computer. Turn on computer, and while it's doing basic hardware checks you can hit Del to enter your BIOS. It usually says, "Press Del to enter setup". Sometimes there's no prompt, so you can just hit Del ever second or so.

BIOS menus vary, but try to find that option and disable it.

/Is it ESC on some computers instead..?


Sometimes F2. Sometimes F8.
 
2013-09-27 03:41:45 AM  
SysRq+RESIUB
 
2013-09-27 04:38:37 AM  
My 286 runs Win7 with 640 (after all, who needs more ram? No one), with my massive 60mb HD, and all of my apps and VMM cache are handled by the Cloud. Plus, WinLockDLL disables my control-alt-delete, and I've redirected my reboot to the key of 'A'. Truly a roadburner.

/beautiful mountain property in N. Florida for sale, call me.
 
2013-09-27 04:45:46 AM  
That problem is NOTHING compared to the rest of Windows' inherent clumsy design from the ground up.
Gates was involved in the early design. He should have stayed in school....
 
2013-09-27 05:12:54 AM  

ornithopter: In all seriousness, though, are you sure you didn't just trigger a setting someplace that switched off the touchpad?


Funny story.

I got a new laptop a few years back.  The instructions said to press down on the top left corner of the touchpad for a few seconds to turn it off.  It never worked and I thought I was just a moron.

Until one night I was in bed watching a movie on my laptop and was randomly double-tapping to maximise the player, and my laptop made a weird "bonk bonk" noise.  I was baffled.  And then the touchpad wouldn't work.  I had a wee panic until I realised I had accidentally found out how to turn off the touchpad (double tap top left corner).

 Come on, HP, you can't even provide the correct instructions to turn off the touch pad?  You dicks.
 
2013-09-27 06:25:56 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Wow that brings back memories.



Same here.  That was Windows 3.1 wasn't it?  Don't remember it working in Win95, but don't remember trying it either.
 
2013-09-27 06:41:33 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.

Heh....

Everyone at work wonders why I ripped off my F1 key. It's because I use AutoCAD and it's right beside ESC.

NOTHING pisses me off more than trying to hit ESC to cancel a command, then seeing the computer choke while it loads the help screen instead.

So no more F1 for me. Popped it out with a pen or something.


Did the same thing. It also doesn't help that F1 used to bring up your command history. Fortunately, that was long enough ago that i don't confuse it anymore. And what the hell makes AutoCAD's help file take so long to open? Solidworks' dosen't take as long to open when I would do the same thing.
 
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