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(Yahoo)   Bill Gates admits that the core design of one of the most basic functions of Windows was a mistake. Not, not that one. Not that one either. Or that one. Or that one. No, not that one either. Keep guessing, you'll get there eventually   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 121
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2013-09-26 07:45:16 PM
was it solitaire? I bet it was solitaire.
 
2013-09-26 07:51:36 PM
There is nothing wrong with combo keys
 
2013-09-26 08:03:06 PM

cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys


I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta
 
2013-09-26 08:20:23 PM

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-26 08:25:56 PM
I do tech support.

EVERYTHING

 
2013-09-26 08:28:32 PM

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


All I know is that I am pissed that they no longer have the Turbo button IBM compatibles once had
 
2013-09-26 08:45:49 PM
I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.
 
2013-09-26 08:54:51 PM

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.
 
2013-09-26 08:59:39 PM

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


The combination meant 'reboot' long before it was 'login'.

As Bill tries to explain in the article, when they needed a login prompt, they wanted something that could not be, say, a photograph of a login prompt someone put up as a wallpaper/screensaver that then steals your password. It had to be something that went to windows and only to windows, and one of the few things that were that low to the ground was the power cycle controls. Therefore, the power cycle (reboot) key combo got re-purposed as the login combo.
 
2013-09-26 08:59:40 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


None of those features you mention existed when ctr-alt-del was invented.
 
2013-09-26 09:02:44 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.

None of those features you mention existed when ctr-alt-del was invented.


indeed. ludite
 
2013-09-26 09:04:13 PM
img802.imageshack.us

But Ctrl-Alt-Delete helps keep my computer secure, which is something people who use Windows are deeply concerned with.
 
2013-09-26 09:04:28 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


I don't know about your computer, but my laptop will accept no other combination than left ctrl, left alt, and delete.
 
2013-09-26 09:07:10 PM
The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.
 
2013-09-26 09:07:32 PM
What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.
 
2013-09-26 09:09:26 PM

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


I bought a cheap Case Logic KD-600 keyboard while waiting for a keyboard replacement.

It had a "power" key right next to F12 (or maybe it was the "sleep" or "wake" key - I can't tell because I pried all 3 keys off).

Maybe the local drug-store was selling the KD-600 for $10 because nobody would intentionally buy such a stupid design.
 
2013-09-26 09:09:46 PM

cman: Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta

All I know is that I am pissed that they no longer have the Turbo button IBM compatibles once had


I actually have a turbo button on my MSI gamer laptop. Overclocks the i7 and cranks up the fan, and it could seriously cook your thigh.
 
2013-09-26 09:10:48 PM
rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-09-26 09:11:34 PM

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


Security.  Ctrl-Alt-Del generates a non-maskable-interrupt.  It was introduced in NT 3.1 as bringing up the logon screen.  It guarantees that the OS is responding to the request not some app pretending to be the security dialog.

There's like a page an a half on the topic in the NT 3.5 resource kit.
 
2013-09-26 09:12:24 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.


Heh....

Everyone at work wonders why I ripped off my F1 key. It's because I use AutoCAD and it's right beside ESC.

NOTHING pisses me off more than trying to hit ESC to cancel a command, then seeing the computer choke while it loads the help screen instead.

So no more F1 for me. Popped it out with a pen or something.
 
2013-09-26 09:13:03 PM
Only one?
 
2013-09-26 09:13:19 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.


But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt. No amount of ripping keys off your keyboard can fix that level of stupidity.
 
2013-09-26 09:16:37 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: [rlv.zcache.com image 324x324]



Quantum...what is this rainbow check you speak of??

preemptive multitasking before preemptive multitasking was cool....
 
2013-09-26 09:17:02 PM

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


I remember when PC makers routinely put a bright red "reset" button on the front of the chassis.

I lost several hundred lines of code once because my friend's inquisitive two-year-old daughter wandered over and punched the button while we were working.

/Save early, save often.
 
2013-09-26 09:20:43 PM

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


I always thought it bizarre that they chose the universal reboot key combination as the screen unlock. I'm glad they did away with it finally. I still have users who don't get that you have to hold down ctrl and alt before you tap delete and they get frustrated.
 
2013-09-26 09:29:44 PM
I'm guessing the issue is in some part the difficulty with small hands. Mine can clear about an octave and a half on a full size piano keyboard.
 
2013-09-26 09:30:52 PM
Bill Gates had the look that he was going to kill David Bradley when he made the ctr-alt-del joke in that interview.
 
2013-09-26 09:32:15 PM

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


It's used as the login combo because it's snapped up by the kernel without ever being exposed to any application. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Del at a real login prompt you'll get the appropriate dialogue box. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Del at an application masquerading as a login prompt to fish for passwords you'll get task manager. After login it prevents any application from fully capturing user input to the point where it can't be released and the offending task terminated through the task manager.
 
2013-09-26 09:34:42 PM

MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt


Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!
 
2013-09-26 09:35:26 PM

MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt. No amount of ripping keys off your keyboard can fix that level of stupidity.


You can always use ctrl-insert for copy and shift-insert for paste (cut is shift-del).

That was a standard before ctrl-x/c/v came along and many programs still allow it today.
 
2013-09-26 09:35:45 PM

cman: Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta

All I know is that I am pissed that they no longer have the Turbo button IBM compatibles once had


I hadn't thought of that first "ibm clone" we had for decades... what the heck did that button do?
 
2013-09-26 09:37:47 PM

tlchwi02: I hadn't thought of that first "ibm clone" we had for decades... what the heck did that button do?


Changed the clock speed of the CPU. You could slow it in case you had some old software that ran too fast, like games.

Imagine that, software than runs too fast...
 
2013-09-26 09:39:43 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: tlchwi02: I hadn't thought of that first "ibm clone" we had for decades... what the heck did that button do?

Changed the clock speed of the CPU. You could slow it in case you had some old software that ran too fast, like games.

Imagine that, software than runs too fast...


the mind literally boggles

/spent all day troubleshooting a slow OS issue
 
2013-09-26 09:40:39 PM
You know what else is a mistake? Mobile sites that don't let you resize to screen width. For fark's sake, Yahoo.
 
2013-09-26 09:48:13 PM

jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!


If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.

/crappy laptop decided to lose all mouse and touchpad functionality.
 
2013-09-26 09:49:12 PM
dilbert.com
 
2013-09-26 09:49:16 PM

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


Sure twenty years ago.  But the damn combination is still around and should of been dead and buried a decade ago.  Proof once again that Microsoft can't do anything right with its OS.
 
2013-09-26 09:50:39 PM

tlchwi02: Quantum Apostrophe: tlchwi02: I hadn't thought of that first "ibm clone" we had for decades... what the heck did that button do?

Changed the clock speed of the CPU. You could slow it in case you had some old software that ran too fast, like games.

Imagine that, software than runs too fast...

the mind literally boggles

/spent all day troubleshooting a slow OS issue


just press the turbo button.  duh!

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-26 09:54:52 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.

Heh....

Everyone at work wonders why I ripped off my F1 key. It's because I use AutoCAD and it's right beside ESC.

NOTHING pisses me off more than trying to hit ESC to cancel a command, then seeing the computer choke while it loads the help screen instead.

So no more F1 for me. Popped it out with a pen or something.


In the 25 years I've been using IBM PCs, I can't remember the last time a Help window was actually helpful. I imagine the people the Help screen is trying to help probably couldn't find the F1 key with a magnifying glass.
 
2013-09-26 09:56:39 PM
HELLLLOOOOO - No "any" key on the keyboard?!  WTF?  Keyboard manufacturers have had decades to incorporate this.  They just want to save the $0.0003 in extra plastic to boost their profit margins.

/study it out.
 
2013-09-26 09:57:29 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-26 10:00:04 PM

libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Wow that brings back memories.
 
2013-09-26 10:11:21 PM
There was already one button you could trip to reset your computer - the *reset* button that was prominently placed on the front of most desktop cases back in the day.
 
2013-09-26 10:11:44 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Wow that brings back memories.


You think that brings back memories? Try this
 
2013-09-26 10:13:35 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.


You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.
 
2013-09-26 10:18:48 PM

jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!


Even emacs? (Yes, I know there's a setting for that)
 
2013-09-26 10:22:43 PM

Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.


No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.
 
2013-09-26 10:28:57 PM

MrEricSir: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.

But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt. No amount of ripping keys off your keyboard can fix that level of stupidity.


I miss my Sparc 20 keyboard with its dedicated Cut/Copy/Paste buttons.
 
2013-09-26 10:30:26 PM
If they're talking about keyboard design, what about the glaring lack of an "ANY" key?
 
2013-09-26 10:33:08 PM

Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.


I remember the problem -

When you boot 98, I think the virtual memory manager tries to snag some memory for itself.

In 98, if you set vcache to >1GB, the VMM takes the entirety of your memory for itself, and you somehow get a "no memory installed" error on boot.

Whatever the details, it was starkly similar to the old "nobody will ever need more than 640k of RAM" of the good old days. Dumb coding error, a guy with a shop in Long Island wrote a patch to fix it, Microsoft never wanted to patch it themselves.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:24 PM
MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt. No amount of ripping keys off your keyboard can fix that level of stupidity.

My terminal program of choice (in Ubuntu) thankfully has a solution for that.

www.lordargent.com

// Set copy (from the terminal) to whatever combo you want.

// Works because a terminal is basically the only place I ever need to hit CTRL+C to break, and also need to copy text from.
 
2013-09-26 10:35:40 PM

jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!


Some things should be the same in every program -- especially when it means the difference between potentially stopping a program and copying text. Those aren't the kinds of things you want to mix up.
 
2013-09-26 10:39:21 PM

Pinhedd: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

It's used as the login combo because it's snapped up by the kernel without ever being exposed to any application. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Del at a real login prompt you'll get the appropriate dialogue box. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Del at an application masquerading as a login prompt to fish for passwords you'll get task manager. After login it prevents any application from fully capturing user input to the point where it can't be released and the offending task terminated through the task manager.


Exactly. It's a full system interrupt. Whatever is running when you hit that combo, it stops and the OS steps up. The exact key combo is a legacy going back to the DOS days, but the function is one that is not useless.

If there's a trojan trying to grab logins, that combo ensures you aren't giving it your login. It's also not necessarily mandatory- you don't HAVE to have that enabled if you don't want to.
 
2013-09-26 10:39:34 PM
I think it's amusing that they think Bill has any idea why they chose the C-A-D hotkey combo for windows login.

Once you've booted up an operating system, that key combo can do anything or nothing.
 
2013-09-26 10:41:33 PM

Invisible Pedestrian: You can always use ctrl-insert for copy and shift-insert for paste (cut is shift-del).  That was a standard before ctrl-x/c/v came along and many programs still allow it today.


It still seems to be the norm over in the Unix world where CTRL-C is still used to send a trap that halts the program.

Would have made more sense to have included a meta or compose key back in the day for use with those combos.
 
2013-09-26 10:43:28 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.

No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.


The VMM (Virtual Memory Manager)?  I never dicked around with it, because Win98 was a heaping pile of shiat compared to XP (any OS that can lock up because of the actions of a program that's running sucks ass) - but if you wanted to run an experiment, I'd bet you could tweak system.ini to get a least 1GB of memory working, and you could create a RAMdisk with the rest of the memory and put the page file on that.  98 would probably scream at that point no matter what you were running on it.
 
2013-09-26 10:45:03 PM

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


I'm thinking they should have used the Any key instead.

www.bentbay.dk
 
2013-09-26 10:52:52 PM

PanicMan: If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.


There are LOTS of people who have no idea that it's possible to navigate around a GUI using only the keyboard. If the tab order is set correctly, I can zip through a GUI form much faster than someone who takes their hands off the keyboard to grab the mouse and click on the next field.

/And yes, it makes me feel smug.
//Get off my lawn.
 
2013-09-26 10:55:11 PM

Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.

No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.

The VMM (Virtual Memory Manager)?  I never dicked around with it, because Win98 was a heaping pile of shiat compared to XP (any OS that can lock up because of the actions of a program that's running sucks ass) - but if you wanted to run an experiment, I'd bet you could tweak system.ini to get a least 1GB of memory working, and you could create a RAMdisk with the rest of the memory and put the page file on that.  98 would probably scream at that point no matter what you were running on it.


No. 768MB was about the highest stable amount of RAM. 1GB was the absolute coded limit, but there were other bits of 98 that wanted those last 256MB.

This was confirmed on MS' support pages. Trust me, I spent months dicking with Win98 before I came across the guy with the patch.

And I liked 98 cos I learned 95 inside-out in school. It was essentially the same. I had such a good handle on my computer than when it got hit with the port 135 worm, within 2 seconds I could tell something was wrong and pulled my cable connection.

Damn Vista's always doing shiat I never told it to do. Too complicated an OS.
 
2013-09-26 11:00:08 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Lsherm: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What pissed me off about that scumbag Gates was that he knew the "hard limit" of 512MB RAM in win98 was easily fixed, yet Microscum never released a patch.

A guy with an electronics shop in Long Island gave me a VM patch for $20 and I could run win98 with (I think I eventually was up to) 4GB.

You can fix that by changing the vcache size in system.ini.  I don't know why you would possibly need 4GB of RAM in a Windows 98 machine, though.

No. Dicking with vcache maybe gets you up to 768MB. You can't go beyond that because there was a hard limit in - not a "VM", I forget the name, one of those thingies that Windows runs to manage memory.

And I wanted more RAM to make Sims 2 run better. Or maybe one of those other games that uses heavy resources that I didn't want to buy a whole new computer just to play.

So with the memory patch I ran 98 until I think 2010.

The VMM (Virtual Memory Manager)?  I never dicked around with it, because Win98 was a heaping pile of shiat compared to XP (any OS that can lock up because of the actions of a program that's running sucks ass) - but if you wanted to run an experiment, I'd bet you could tweak system.ini to get a least 1GB of memory working, and you could create a RAMdisk with the rest of the memory and put the page file on that.  98 would probably scream at that point no matter what you were running on it.

No. 768MB was about the highest stable amount of RAM. 1GB was the absolute coded limit, but there were other bits of 98 that wanted those last 256MB.

This was confirmed on MS' support pages. Trust me, I spent months dicking with Win98 before I came across the guy with the patch.

And I liked 98 cos I learned 95 inside-out in school. It was essentially the same. I had such a good handle on my computer than when it got hit with the port 135 worm, within 2 seconds I could tell something was wrong and pulled my cable connection.

Damn Vista's always doing shiat I ...


Well Vista is a pile of shiat.  Jesus Christ, at least move to 7 if you're going to run an NT kernel.
 
2013-09-26 11:03:24 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.


My newish laptop has CTRL/fn/windows/ALT. Makes for great fun when trying to do keyboard copy and paste. Or ssh to a Linux box.

/windows 8 laptop, so you need to use the windows key...
 
2013-09-26 11:28:42 PM
Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).
 
2013-09-26 11:30:57 PM
The ctrl alt delete thing is going away, thankfully.... Helpful, since a lot of companies are now really pushing Virtual Machines. Explaining to a user than when she logs into a Win7 VM from a Win7 machine and both have been resting for her lunch break that the first ctrl alt delete screen she sees is the local machine, and that the next one she sees is the VM one isn't fun. I explained to my prior company that they need to make a change to the Win7 login screen so people can tell the difference between the two, but they were too busy getting ready to outsource everyone's jobs.

The best way I found to describe it to people is, and this only works if they've seen it, is logging in under those conditions is like the movie Inception. Or for the old people, one of those little Russian egg toys that contains more eggs that look alike when you open it up.

After showing them how to log in, going on to explain that ctrl alt delete does nothing to their VM, and they need to hit ctrl F1 was another massive timekiller.
 
2013-09-26 11:32:43 PM

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


Hit that key, then open Paint and hit paste. It takes a screenshot, at least as recent as WIn7, IIRC. Most modern laptops don't even have that key anymore, but still have the "break" and "pause" buttons.
 
2013-09-26 11:36:03 PM

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


??
The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.
 
2013-09-26 11:42:20 PM

gingerjet: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

Sure twenty years ago.  But the damn combination is still around and should of been dead and buried a decade ago.  Proof once again that Microsoft can't do anything right with its OS.


Alternate universe:  what?  goddammit, Ctrl-Alt-Delete was the LAST THING that was consistent and predictable.  Why the hell would they change it?  Proof once again that Microsoft can't do anything right with its OS!
 
2013-09-26 11:42:50 PM

un4gvn666: TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).

??
The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.


Seriously. I have used that to put more screenshots into more documents than I could ever possibly remember.

CSB:
Back in 1984, my dad brought home an original IBM PC (256K RAM, 4MHz processor, text-only green-screen monitor). On that machine, the PrtSc key would actually dump the text that was currently displayed on the screen to the printer attached to the LPT1 parallel port.
 
2013-09-26 11:46:10 PM
Christ, it was an engineer at IBM that invented Ctrl-Alt-Del, long before Windows was even thought of.
 
2013-09-26 11:47:44 PM

enry: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.

My newish laptop has CTRL/fn/windows/ALT. Makes for great fun when trying to do keyboard copy and paste. Or ssh to a Linux box.

/windows 8 laptop, so you need to use the windows key...


Windows 8 laptop? Gya!
 
2013-09-27 12:00:43 AM

un4gvn666: The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.


And Alt+PrntScrn copies only the active window's image to the clipboard.  Very handy when you have dual monitors and don't want to paste the whole darn thing.
 
2013-09-27 12:19:27 AM

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


Print Screen, while taking a copy of the screen in Windows OSes, is a throwback to UNIX terminals that would use it as a command to print forms that were on the screen to a configured print queue on the mainframe a terminal was connected to.  At work we still have some accounting software, all web based, that counts on that keypress being present.
 
2013-09-27 12:20:55 AM

un4gvn666: TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).

??
The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.


Not always has.  In the olden days of PCs the PrtScrn button would actually print your screen to the printer on LPT1.  Thank goodness my Mac keyboard doesn't have dumb shiat like that on it in 2013.
 
2013-09-27 12:21:45 AM

brandent: Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta

I'm thinking they should have used the Any key instead.

[www.bentbay.dk image 288x288]


OK, well that answers my question.
 
2013-09-27 12:27:18 AM
(Not-so) CSB: I did a contract job for city government in Milwaukee, WI. There was an accountant that would hover his middle and index finger on his left hand over the CTRL and ALT keys and his right index finger over the delete key. He would count (aloud) 1-2-3 and slam all 3 fingers down to log-in and pull them away immediately. He was relieved when I explained to him that he could hold down the CTRL & ALT keys and then hit DEL. I spoke to him a few weeks later and he told me how much more work he was getting done now because he could always log-in on the 1st try. /facepalm
 
2013-09-27 12:40:06 AM

TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).


Same reason why we still have PS/2 mice and keyboards
 
2013-09-27 12:41:33 AM

BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.


I remember the first time I ever saw the "CTR-ALT-DEL to log in" screen.  I thought it was a joke someone had put on my new computer.

Anyway, the biggest two mistakes Windows ever made was cooperative multitasking instead of pre-emptive multitasking, and not taking whoever designed their virtual memory manager out behind the building and shooting them in the face.
 
2013-09-27 12:47:32 AM

Mr. Eugenides: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

Security.  Ctrl-Alt-Del generates a non-maskable-interrupt.  It was introduced in NT 3.1 as bringing up the logon screen.  It guarantees that the OS is responding to the request not some app pretending to be the security dialog.

There's like a page an a half on the topic in the NT 3.5 resource kit.


Folks, listen to this guy.  He is absolutely right.  The problem is that the key combination needed to be something a very low level.  The reboot combination of ctrl-alt-del was just that.  I remember reading that same page and half and finding it quite interesting actually.  The only problem I had was when I was administering both NT and OS/2 boxes on the same network.  NT boxes caught the interrupt and did a logon/security dialog.  OS/2 didn't, so boom, you would accidentally reboot.  Not fun times

The point being that a low-level interrupt was something an application couldn't spoof.  Now it is largely irrelevant, but we still have it because of history.
 
2013-09-27 12:51:49 AM
Caps Lock
 
2013-09-27 01:31:14 AM

cman: Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta

All I know is that I am pissed that they no longer have the Turbo button IBM compatibles once had


I miss flip-top cases.
 
2013-09-27 01:34:08 AM

jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!


It's not entirely their fault.....Microsoft decided that actually having Ctrl-F do "find" in Word 2010 like in EVERY OTHER TEXT-ORIENTED PROGRAM was not slow or screen-filling enough, and put another layer of stupid in front of it. >.< It also has a lot of Alt commands that simply don't work right, because they tried to make them do too many things, and if you aren't pointing in exactly the right spot they try to do something else.... at least, that seems to be what the problem is, I can't figure out why else it would do different behaviors at different times.

Then again, they thought that godawful ribbon was a good idea, too. When it's actually much slower and harder to navigate. Someone needs to take their interface designers out and shoot them. Actually, no, we'll just give the interface designers guns..... that they've designed. Same outcome, and no one has to feel guilty for killing anyone!
 
2013-09-27 01:34:35 AM
Did the Windows 95 log in matter at all? I'm pretty sure you could start up Windows without logging in, just by hitting the Escape key.
 
2013-09-27 01:40:03 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: BizarreMan: I like Ctr-Alt-Del for reboot because you can't mistakenly hit it.  Like the IBM guy, I can't figure out why it was taken over as the login combo.

I think that at the time, MS wanted a single combination for Login, Switch Users, Lock workstation, Restart, and to access certain admin tools (like Task Manager) so it sort of made sense.  Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination"  At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


Control-Alt-Delete was used (for login screens) because it was a "secure" key combination.  As it used a hardware interrupt, you could not intercept it to bring up a "fake" login screen (thereby allowing a hacker to steal login credentials)
 
2013-09-27 01:41:36 AM

PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!

If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.

/crappy laptop decided to lose all mouse and touchpad functionality.


I got looks of awe and/or horror every time the fax machine jammed and I - gasp! - opened it up and pulled out the toner to get at the paper jam. You'd think I was disarming a bomb or something. "no, press the green button!..."

In all seriousness, though, are you sure you didn't just trigger a setting someplace that switched off the touchpad? I've had mine turned off since, oh, ten minutes after getting my laptop.... Lenovo lets you disable it so you can stop hitting the damn thing with your wrists while typing. (And the control for it and the keyboard nipple are separate.) The same screen probably does handle the mouse, but mice have lots of other ways to fail all by themselves, and if the mouse fails, but having one connected is set to turn off the touchpad.... tada!
 
2013-09-27 01:42:40 AM

Cybernetic: PanicMan: If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.

There are LOTS of people who have no idea that it's possible to navigate around a GUI using only the keyboard. If the tab order is set correctly, I can zip through a GUI form much faster than someone who takes their hands off the keyboard to grab the mouse and click on the next field.

/And yes, it makes me feel smug.
//Get off my lawn.


Use this to crank through printing of confirmation e-mails.  Just hover the mouse over next, control-p, enter, click next.

/yes, still clicking, but have to do something to show productivity
//didn't think of looking for a control-next
 
2013-09-27 01:49:00 AM

RoxtarRyan: TheGogmagog: Why doesn't windows make use of the prtscrn key?
That just seems dumb to have a key that has never done anything.  It didn't do anything in dos or any program I can ever remember.  Yet they keep putting it on the keyboards.

The power button on the computer usually works as a single button shutdown.  (I guess it can be re-tasked to sleep or whatnot in windows).

Hit that key, then open Paint and hit paste. It takes a screenshot, at least as recent as WIn7, IIRC. Most modern laptops don't even have that key anymore, but still have the "break" and "pause" buttons.


Yep, last I checked, it would take a screenshot. IIRC, in WoW, it even saved it to a screenshots folder, rather than the clipboard.
 
2013-09-27 02:39:20 AM

cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys


Double bucky, you're the one
You make my keyboard lots of fun
Double bucky, an additional bit or two
 
2013-09-27 02:47:56 AM
What I'm frustrated about is the "Wifi OFF" switch on laptops. (Maybe it's just Dell?)

I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

howdoyoujew.com
 
2013-09-27 02:52:18 AM
un4gvn666 : The prtscrn key copies an image of your current screen to the clipboard. Always has. I know because I use that shiat all the time at work on my Vista machine.

Apparently gnome has some anti-stupidity built in.

www.lordargent.com

// tried to set 'space' to take a screenshot.
// impossible to type without the spacebar? I_see_that_as_a_challenge.
 
2013-09-27 02:53:59 AM
StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios
 
2013-09-27 02:56:00 AM

lordargent: StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios


What the what? I am simple. I can turn it off? Please explain. Thanks!
 
2013-09-27 03:03:37 AM
in 1988 I had as the login screen for my bbs "hit Ctrl, Alt, Delete for an IQ test now." It always amazed me how many nerds fell for it.
 
2013-09-27 03:11:25 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Also not sure why various articles on this keep referring to it as a "two-hand combination" At least on any modern keyboard, a person with normal sized hands should be able to enter it with just their right hand.


It dates back to the original 5150:

www.vintagecomputer.net

IIRC, they wanted a quick way of resetting the computer during development, but they didn't want anything you could accidentally hit. C-A-D fit the bill. Someone forgot to remove the functionality from the production units (because why would you want a quick way to restart a machine that took several minutes to come back after a power cycle?), and it became popular and stuck around.
 
2013-09-27 03:17:52 AM

StopLurkListen: lordargent: StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios

What the what? I am simple. I can turn it off? Please explain. Thanks!


Turn off computer. Turn on computer, and while it's doing basic hardware checks you can hit Del to enter your BIOS. It usually says, "Press Del to enter setup". Sometimes there's no prompt, so you can just hit Del ever second or so.

BIOS menus vary, but try to find that option and disable it.

/Is it ESC on some computers instead..?
 
2013-09-27 03:23:07 AM

ZoeNekros: StopLurkListen: lordargent: StopLurkListen: I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

Read the description.

Thought "Why the hell would I want to do that?"

Disabled in the bios

What the what? I am simple. I can turn it off? Please explain. Thanks!

Turn off computer. Turn on computer, and while it's doing basic hardware checks you can hit Del to enter your BIOS. It usually says, "Press Del to enter setup". Sometimes there's no prompt, so you can just hit Del ever second or so.

BIOS menus vary, but try to find that option and disable it.

/Is it ESC on some computers instead..?


Sometimes F2. Sometimes F8.
 
2013-09-27 03:41:45 AM
SysRq+RESIUB
 
2013-09-27 04:38:37 AM
My 286 runs Win7 with 640 (after all, who needs more ram? No one), with my massive 60mb HD, and all of my apps and VMM cache are handled by the Cloud. Plus, WinLockDLL disables my control-alt-delete, and I've redirected my reboot to the key of 'A'. Truly a roadburner.

/beautiful mountain property in N. Florida for sale, call me.
 
2013-09-27 04:45:46 AM
That problem is NOTHING compared to the rest of Windows' inherent clumsy design from the ground up.
Gates was involved in the early design. He should have stayed in school....
 
2013-09-27 05:12:54 AM

ornithopter: In all seriousness, though, are you sure you didn't just trigger a setting someplace that switched off the touchpad?


Funny story.

I got a new laptop a few years back.  The instructions said to press down on the top left corner of the touchpad for a few seconds to turn it off.  It never worked and I thought I was just a moron.

Until one night I was in bed watching a movie on my laptop and was randomly double-tapping to maximise the player, and my laptop made a weird "bonk bonk" noise.  I was baffled.  And then the touchpad wouldn't work.  I had a wee panic until I realised I had accidentally found out how to turn off the touchpad (double tap top left corner).

 Come on, HP, you can't even provide the correct instructions to turn off the touch pad?  You dicks.
 
2013-09-27 06:25:56 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]

Wow that brings back memories.



Same here.  That was Windows 3.1 wasn't it?  Don't remember it working in Win95, but don't remember trying it either.
 
2013-09-27 06:41:33 AM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The bigger mistake was putting the Windows key between CTRL and ALT.

It's probably the Guinness record holder for key most often ripped off the keyboard in rage.

Heh....

Everyone at work wonders why I ripped off my F1 key. It's because I use AutoCAD and it's right beside ESC.

NOTHING pisses me off more than trying to hit ESC to cancel a command, then seeing the computer choke while it loads the help screen instead.

So no more F1 for me. Popped it out with a pen or something.


Did the same thing. It also doesn't help that F1 used to bring up your command history. Fortunately, that was long enough ago that i don't confuse it anymore. And what the hell makes AutoCAD's help file take so long to open? Solidworks' dosen't take as long to open when I would do the same thing.
 
2013-09-27 08:08:51 AM

MrEricSir: [img802.imageshack.us image 640x480]

But Ctrl-Alt-Delete helps keep my computer secure, which is something people who use Windows are deeply concerned with.


CSB:  Back in the day some friends and I wrote a quick app to look exactly like the Novell login window and set it up to capture out teacher's login creds by claiming there was a problem with the computer, we'd have been thwarted if there was something like the ctrl-alt-del combo required prior to getting that login window to come up.
 
2013-09-27 08:24:17 AM
Fire up a DOS 3.0 box with a bad 5-pin DIN port and you are greeted with:
"Keyboard error or no keyboard detected. Press F2 to continue..."

///8-bit face-palm
 
2013-09-27 08:48:55 AM

ekdikeo4: Christ, it was an engineer at IBM that invented Ctrl-Alt-Del, long before Windows was even thought of.


Exactly. You hold subby's arms and I'll kick him in the nuts.
 
2013-09-27 09:25:01 AM

lordargent: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt. No amount of ripping keys off your keyboard can fix that level of stupidity.

My terminal program of choice (in Ubuntu) thankfully has a solution for that.

[www.lordargent.com image 460x576]

// Set copy (from the terminal) to whatever combo you want.

// Works because a terminal is basically the only place I ever need to hit CTRL+C to break, and also need to copy text from.


My terminal in Mint has Ctrl+Shift+C for copy and Ctrl+C for interrupt.  I never changed them from the defaults because for my current needs, I don't have to.
 
2013-09-27 09:44:51 AM

BumpInTheNight: Back in the day some friends and I wrote a quick app to look exactly like the Novell login window and set it up to capture out teacher's login creds


STOP farkING CHEATING IN SCHOOL
 
2013-09-27 09:50:32 AM

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


I bought some cheap keyboards at work about a year ago and they came with a "Power" button. I didn't notice the button and deployed them into the field.

The problem is that Instead of putting that button in a different or unusual position, it is at the exact same position as the "Pause / Break" button on a normal keyboard. I use that button when I open system properties in Windows boxes by pressing the shortcut "Windows key" + "Pause/Break". It's bitten me on the ass a few times and I've shut down their computers on accident while working on them. I need to get chunk those keyboards.

Plus it has the 2 row enter button.

Here's one of the keyboards next to a normal one:

i724.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-27 09:59:56 AM

MadMattressMack: Here's one of the keyboards next to a normal one:


who the...  why...  what the...
 
2013-09-27 10:03:40 AM

Triumph: cman: There is nothing wrong with combo keys

I don't get why he thinks the reboot should have been one key you could accidenta


This. There's a computer at work with a keyboard that has a sleep button, and it's very close to the escape key. Can be a pain sometimes.
 
2013-09-27 10:11:20 AM

StopLurkListen: What I'm frustrated about is the "Wifi OFF" switch on laptops. (Maybe it's just Dell?)

I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

[howdoyoujew.com image 450x293]


IBM does that too, well, back when they made laptops. Not sure about the Lenovo ones now. My wife refers to the one on her laptop as the "break the internet button".
 
2013-09-27 10:17:22 AM

frepnog: MadMattressMack: Here's one of the keyboards next to a normal one:

who the...  why...  what the...


I know. The first time I shut one down while working on it I just thought it was a prank or something. This is a company that's trolling their customers. There's nothing else I can come up with.
 
2013-09-27 10:21:42 AM

Jormungandr: StopLurkListen: What I'm frustrated about is the "Wifi OFF" switch on laptops. (Maybe it's just Dell?)

I guess I can see the reason for it -- immediate access in unsecure environments -- but damn it's too easy to accidentally switch it to "OFF" and then my NETWORK LICENSE SERVER isn't found and my software is all THANK YOU COME AGAIN and dumps me to desktop. Hope you've saved recently, McFly! Why are you hitting yourself, McFly? HELLO? McFLY?

[howdoyoujew.com image 450x293]

IBM does that too, well, back when they made laptops. Not sure about the Lenovo ones now. My wife refers to the one on her laptop as the "break the internet button".


They all do it. But some of them use a function plus some other key to do it. That way it's 10x harder for a user to figure it out when they do it. At least you can see the position of a button. Plus there's no real standardized wifi symbol so trying to talk someone through finding the button is different on every laptop.

I'm happier with the wifi switch over the function version.
 
2013-09-27 11:06:34 AM

MadMattressMack: I'm happier with the wifi switch over the function version.


yeah, it is actually easier to have some fool look for a hardware switch.
 
2013-09-27 11:18:20 AM

frepnog: BumpInTheNight: Back in the day some friends and I wrote a quick app to look exactly like the Novell login window and set it up to capture out teacher's login creds

STOP farkING CHEATING IN SCHOOL


What just because he was also the school's network administrator and stupidly tied the class room lab computers into the same network and account system as the rest of the school you automatically assume we were aiming to cheat?  Well you're right, but that's not the point :P
 
2013-09-27 11:58:06 AM
Does this mean I get to blame Bill Gates for B^U as well? That would be nice.
 
2013-09-27 01:39:24 PM
47 is the new 42: My terminal in Mint has Ctrl+Shift+C for copy and Ctrl+C for interrupt. I never changed them from the defaults because for my current needs, I don't have to.

On the windows side, CTRL+X is cut, so it made more sense to me.
 
2013-09-27 02:58:11 PM

ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir: But the biggest mistake was using Ctrl-C as both copy and interrupt

Ctrl-Z, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-X were copied from the Mac command-key combos.

I still facepalm at the people who don't grasp how the same key combinations do the same thing in EVERY GODAM PROGRAM YOU MORONS!

If you ever conduct an entire presentation using only keyboard commands, people look at you like you're a wizard.

/crappy laptop decided to lose all mouse and touchpad functionality.

I got looks of awe and/or horror every time the fax machine jammed and I - gasp! - opened it up and pulled out the toner to get at the paper jam. You'd think I was disarming a bomb or something. "no, press the green button!..."

In all seriousness, though, are you sure you didn't just trigger a setting someplace that switched off the touchpad? I've had mine turned off since, oh, ten minutes after getting my laptop.... Lenovo lets you disable it so you can stop hitting the damn thing with your wrists while typing. (And the control for it and the keyboard nipple are separate.) The same screen probably does handle the mouse, but mice have lots of other ways to fail all by themselves, and if the mouse fails, but having one connected is set to turn off the touchpad.... tada!


It happened when I took it off the docking station, and everything worked again after a restart.  I never figured it out, and it never happened again.  This laptop liked to overheat, and it would often drop key presses.  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.
 
2013-09-27 03:47:30 PM

PanicMan: ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir:  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.


GIS result for spectacular hard disk failure

www.drivedatarecovery.com
 
2013-09-27 05:01:31 PM

MadMattressMack: PanicMan: ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir:  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.

GIS result for spectacular hard disk failure

[www.drivedatarecovery.com image 359x275]


Yow, that plate got shattered.  WTF?!
 
2013-09-27 05:43:47 PM
It wasn't a mistake and I'm confused why he would say it was. There is a very important reason for that key combination (having to do with low level interrupts preventing software from spoofing a login screen). If pressing three keys is too challenging for someone they shouldn't be using a computer to begin with.
 
2013-09-27 08:56:14 PM

Rwa2play: MadMattressMack: PanicMan: ornithopter: PanicMan: jaytkay: MrEricSir:  Evenutally the hard drive failed in some spectacular way.

GIS result for spectacular hard disk failure

[www.drivedatarecovery.com image 359x275]

Yow, that plate got shattered.  WTF?!


In the very early days of FAT16 development there were BOTH defragment and fragment programs available for HDD maintenance. Guess which one was phased out?
 
2013-09-28 04:25:41 AM
I am glad they have sopped putting sleep/power etc keys on keyboards. I remember a time when I would get a new keyboard, open the box and get out a screwdriver and remove about 3 keys straight away...
 
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