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2013-09-26 03:57:35 PM
Except that most moons spend a considerable amount of time in the planet's own shadow, which means it becomes very cold for long periods of time. Unless that's not an issue, it's quite the hurdle to overcome. Just because bacteria on Earth can survive Antarctica doesn't mean it didn't evolve from temperate bacteria and find a niche.
 
2013-09-26 04:08:46 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Except that most moons spend a considerable amount of time in the planet's own shadow, which means it becomes very cold for long periods of time. Unless that's not an issue, it's quite the hurdle to overcome. Just because bacteria on Earth can survive Antarctica doesn't mean it didn't evolve from temperate bacteria and find a niche.


There are moons that may have temperate internals.  Europa is the one everyone talks about, of course, but Enceladus is another possibility, and possibly under the surface of Titan.
 
2013-09-26 04:11:19 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Except that most moons spend a considerable amount of time in the planet's own shadow, which means it becomes very cold for long periods of time. Unless that's not an issue, it's quite the hurdle to overcome. Just because bacteria on Earth can survive Antarctica doesn't mean it didn't evolve from temperate bacteria and find a niche.


Europa has liquid water under its frozen surface, so it's not so cold as to be able to freeze.  Where there's energy and water we tend to find life here.  It makes sense to look for it in similarly structured places elsewhere.
 
2013-09-26 04:14:10 PM
Europa is not ours.
No going there.
 
2013-09-26 04:23:48 PM
Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.
 
2013-09-26 04:35:25 PM
ALL THESE WORLDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE
 
2013-09-26 04:35:43 PM

farkingismybusiness: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.


Then what's in Uranus?
 
2013-09-26 04:39:53 PM

Virtual Pariah: Europa is not ours.
No going there.


I seriously doubt the Jovians have perfected shields that can handle the pressure difference of about 2 million times earth surface pressure..
 
2013-09-26 04:42:50 PM
He hates Pluto.
 
2013-09-26 04:42:53 PM

funzyr: farkingismybusiness: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.

Then what's in Uranus?


Klingons.
 
2013-09-26 04:44:13 PM
Well, Venus is a shiathole. Crushing atmospheric pressure, sulfuric acid rain and incredible heat...pretty unlikely anything could live there.
 
2013-09-26 04:45:57 PM

farkingismybusiness: Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.


I've got a yum yum, you've got a penis!
 
2013-09-26 04:46:55 PM

buckler: Well, Venus is a shiathole. Crushing atmospheric pressure, sulfuric acid rain and incredible heat...pretty unlikely anything could live there.


Or whatever did live there would kill us instantly.
 
2013-09-26 04:47:20 PM

BalugaJoe: He hates Pluto.


Just let it go, dude. Pluto's gone.

buckler: Well, Venus is a shiathole. Crushing atmospheric pressure, sulfuric acid rain and incredible heat...pretty unlikely anything could live there.


People live in New Jersey.
 
2013-09-26 04:51:16 PM

Snapper Carr: ALL THESE WORLDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE


and how well did that work out, humans tisk tisk
 
2013-09-26 04:54:09 PM

Grapple: buckler: Well, Venus is a shiathole. Crushing atmospheric pressure, sulfuric acid rain and incredible heat...pretty unlikely anything could live there.

Or whatever did live there would kill us instantly.


M. Night Shymalan is leading an expedition there. Venus is pretty much made out of stuff that kills us instantly so things should go pretty well.
 
2013-09-26 04:56:30 PM

Cagey B: Grapple: buckler: Well, Venus is a shiathole. Crushing atmospheric pressure, sulfuric acid rain and incredible heat...pretty unlikely anything could live there.

Or whatever did live there would kill us instantly.

M. Night Shymalan is leading an expedition there. Venus is pretty much made out of stuff that kills us instantly so things should go pretty well.


So...Australia, only bigger
 
2013-09-26 05:00:45 PM

Mega Steve: Cagey B: Grapple: buckler: Well, Venus is a shiathole. Crushing atmospheric pressure, sulfuric acid rain and incredible heat...pretty unlikely anything could live there.

Or whatever did live there would kill us instantly.

M. Night Shymalan is leading an expedition there. Venus is pretty much made out of stuff that kills us instantly so things should go pretty well.

So...Australia, only bigger


*sigh*
 
2013-09-26 05:07:52 PM
Today in BREAKING Science News: Neil deGrasse Tyson says thing all scientists already know but because he's popular a media outlet has reported it!
 
2013-09-26 05:10:20 PM
Aren't most moons also tidally locked?
 
2013-09-26 05:11:01 PM
F it, I say we start playing God and drop a variety of extremeophile bacteria on all the planets / moons in the solar system and see what takes root. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-09-26 05:14:23 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Today in BREAKING Science News: Neil deGrasse Tyson says thing all scientists already know but because he's popular a media outlet has reported it!


No. Tyson's shtick is trying to explain things to people who don't know or don't care to know. He's trying to spread science literacy. You and I are not his target demographic. The people who dropped out of school and can't even name all the planets in the solar system are his target demographic. And for that I appreciate him.
 
2013-09-26 05:17:51 PM

Esroc: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Today in BREAKING Science News: Neil deGrasse Tyson says thing all scientists already know but because he's popular a media outlet has reported it!

No. Tyson's shtick is trying to explain things to people who don't know or don't care to know. He's trying to spread science literacy. You and I are not his target demographic. The people who dropped out of school and can't even name all the planets in the solar system are his target demographic. And for that I appreciate him.


Tyson's schtick is getting lots of $$$ for restating rudimentary science.
 
2013-09-26 05:20:52 PM
I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
 
2013-09-26 05:21:25 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Except that most moons spend a considerable amount of time in the planet's own shadow, which means it becomes very cold for long periods of time.


Except that isn't necessarily true.  Europa - for instance - orbits Jupiter every 3.5 days.  A little under 2 days behind Jupiter is hardly "a considerable amount".
 
2013-09-26 05:23:55 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Esroc: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Today in BREAKING Science News: Neil deGrasse Tyson says thing all scientists already know but because he's popular a media outlet has reported it!

No. Tyson's shtick is trying to explain things to people who don't know or don't care to know. He's trying to spread science literacy. You and I are not his target demographic. The people who dropped out of school and can't even name all the planets in the solar system are his target demographic. And for that I appreciate him.

Tyson's schtick is getting lots of $$$ for restating rudimentary science.


Considering a solid plurality of the US population still thinks Ussher was the most accurate astrophysicist ever, I think that is money well spent.
 
2013-09-26 05:24:34 PM

Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.


What should concern you more is that those grade school kids have a better grasp of it than a lot of adults.  And those adults are the ones Tyson is trying to reach.
 
2013-09-26 05:26:55 PM

Esroc: Tyson's shtick is trying to explain things to people who don't know or don't care to know. He's trying to spread science literacy. You and I are not his target demographic. The people who dropped out of school and can't even name all the planets in the solar system are his target demographic. And for that I appreciate him.


I dunno about that...

I mean, he starts talking about some very high level stuff. I'm not sure it is for people who don't know or don't care but more so for people that are interested but don't understand.

For me, I just like listening to him because he is so excited about it. He makes you excited listening about stuff because it is funny and informative.

Granted, I only listen to his QandA sessions and ignore most other speeches he makes.
 
2013-09-26 05:27:27 PM

Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.


In all fairness, your average adult doesn't know things that are known by most grade-schoolers. Even though elementary school isn't as content-intense as much as it is based on metacognition and learning how to learn, there are embarrassing amounts of adults who would fail a typical 6th-grade history or science test.
 
2013-09-26 05:31:35 PM
deGrasse-Tyson is just sort of rambling here and acting goofy or drunk.

The article implies he doesn't think there could be life on Venus because of the temperature and pressure. What he actually says is that is why people shouldn't go there. Pressure is no problem for life on Earth at the bottom of the ocean.

Then he talks about how important water is, but then switches to Titan and says maybe life could be based on liquid methane, and maybe what's important is liquid.

Venus could well have liquids. The most important thing for chemical life is ongoing natural chemical reactions that life can harness and extract energy from. I'm sure Venus has those too.
 
2013-09-26 05:46:36 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Except that most moons spend a considerable amount of time in the planet's own shadow, which means it becomes very cold for long periods of time. Unless that's not an issue, it's quite the hurdle to overcome. Just because bacteria on Earth can survive Antarctica doesn't mean it didn't evolve from temperate bacteria and find a niche.


In the case of most ice moons around gas giants that I know of, the massive gravitational forces of the planets that these moons orbit causes internal friction inside the moon, creating heat, and that miles thick layer of ice on top is a great insulator...  I would be very surprised if there was not vast liquid oceans beneath the surface, complete with many hydro thermal vents like we see here on earth.

faculty.cascadia.edu

And life clinging to them as well...
 
2013-09-26 05:59:15 PM
MOAR SCI FI BOOK QUOTES
 
2013-09-26 06:01:07 PM

buckler: Well, Venus is a shiathole. Crushing atmospheric pressure, sulfuric acid rain and incredible heat...pretty unlikely anything could live there.


On the surface, sure. High up in the atmosphere, though, it's almost temperate. Decent pressure, too.
 
2013-09-26 06:06:00 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Tyson's schtick is getting lots of $$$ for restating rudimentary science.


...and exclusive, pretentious claptrap like yours is what nitwits feed upon to push the very anti-science agenda that makes people like Neil deGrasse Tyson restating rudimentary science necessary in the first place. Get over yourself.
 
2013-09-26 06:15:02 PM
Neil deGrasse Tyson: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2013-09-26 06:15:55 PM

Esroc: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Today in BREAKING Science News: Neil deGrasse Tyson says thing all scientists already know but because he's popular a media outlet has reported it!

No. Tyson's shtick is trying to explain things to people who don't know or don't care to know. He's trying to spread science literacy. You and I are not his target demographic. The people who dropped out of school and can't even name all the planets in the solar system are his target demographic. And for that I appreciate him.


Well said. I'm reminded of a previous great populariser of science, Carl Sagan. I wasn't much of a science person, focused as I was with history, but from the first lines of Cosmos to the end I was enthralled. Even if some of the stuff he was saying was obvious, and it definitely was obvious to experts or even people with a decent grasp of the matters, it inspired me to take up books and learn more.

I don't think Tyson is as good as Sagan, but that's because of my fond memories of discovering Cosmos, like a parent thinking his sons music isn't as good as his generations. I do however think that anyone out there trying to drum up interest and appetites for science should be left to do their thing without people making pointless snarky an snide comments about how they're not really saying anything revelatory. They don't need to, they just need to say it in an interesting way to get people hooked, and I think Tyson does have an excitable and entertaining demeanor which gets people interested, and he carries them along with his enthusiasm.
 
2013-09-26 06:20:03 PM

Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.

most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.
 
2013-09-26 06:24:37 PM

John Buck 41: Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.


What the hell is this
 
2013-09-26 06:29:36 PM

CPennypacker: John Buck 41: Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.

What the hell is this


Proof that racism is alive and well.
 
2013-09-26 06:38:42 PM

CPennypacker: John Buck 41: Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.

What the hell is this


Did you mean to put one of these at the end of your comment?


upload.wikimedia.org

Yeah, 'cos we get a weekly Stephen Hawking link every week or two, right, just like a NDT link? Oh, sorry. We don't. Articulate black guy trumps crippled disabled white guy, apparently.

 
2013-09-26 06:39:56 PM

Slaxl: I don't think Tyson is as good as Sagan


As a scientist?  Not even close.   Sagan published this on Venus over 50 years ago.  He became one of the go-to guys when they were making the first planetary probes and sending them out, because he could figure out a LOT from real shiatty data sets.  Only after he became a science giant did he move into the outreach stuff.

Tyson meanwhile has more honorary doctorates than peer-reviewed papers, which is frankly bizarre.  He is tuned for the sound-bite-talking-head era, just like Michio Kaku.  Sagan was perfect for the long setup shot with no talking for 5 minutes, and an entire hour about ONE THING.
 
2013-09-26 06:46:16 PM

John Buck 41: CPennypacker: John Buck 41: Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.

What the hell is this

Did you mean to put one of these at the end of your comment?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 749x946]

Yeah, 'cos we get a weekly Stephen Hawking link every week or two, right, just like a NDT link? Oh, sorry. We don't. Articulate black guy trumps crippled disabled white guy, apparently.


As a fellow Caucasian American, I am also angered that not enough credit is given to white scientists.
 
2013-09-26 06:52:34 PM
Venus, the goddess of love and beauty, her planet is a inhospitable hell scape that will destroy you and any other form of life as you know it..

*drive around ass to get to elbow*

"no matter how pretty she may be, someone is sick of her shiat."

thank you... that is all
 
2013-09-26 06:57:09 PM

John Buck 41: CPennypacker: John Buck 41: Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.

What the hell is this

Did you mean to put one of these at the end of your comment?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 749x946]

Yeah, 'cos we get a weekly Stephen Hawking link every week or two, right, just like a NDT link? Oh, sorry. We don't. Articulate black guy trumps crippled disabled white guy, apparently.


'Cos Stephen Hawking makes a habit of doing public appearances and tries to explain science to the masses on a regular basis? I could see if Hawking was actually doing the same thing Tyson does and there's never threads for it, but that's not the case. Go back under your bridge you race baiting jackass.
 
2013-09-26 06:59:35 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: John Buck 41: CPennypacker: John Buck 41: Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.

What the hell is this

Did you mean to put one of these at the end of your comment?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 749x946]

Yeah, 'cos we get a weekly Stephen Hawking link every week or two, right, just like a NDT link? Oh, sorry. We don't. Articulate black guy trumps crippled disabled white guy, apparently.

'Cos Stephen Hawking makes a habit of doing public appearances and tries to explain science to the masses on a regular basis? I could see if Hawking was actually doing the same thing Tyson does and there's never threads for it, but that's not the case. Go back under your bridge you race baiting jackass.


Love your user name. Fits perfectly for your online persona. Well done.
 
2013-09-26 07:02:49 PM
We've reached peak Tyson, apparently
 
2013-09-26 07:03:29 PM

Slaxl: I don't think Tyson is as good as Sagan, but that's because of my fond memories of discovering Cosmos, like a parent thinking his sons music isn't as good as his generations. I do however think that anyone out there trying to drum up interest and appetites for science should be left to do their thing without people making pointless snarky an snide comments about how they're not really saying anything revelatory. They don't need to, they just need to say it in an interesting way to get people hooked, and I think Tyson does have an excitable and entertaining demeanor which gets people interested, and he carries them along with his enthusiasm.


Agreed.  Reaching the public is hard enough without those who should be support us tearing us down from the sidelines.

Flappyhead: What should concern you more is that those grade school kids have a better grasp of it than a lot of adults. And those adults are the ones Tyson is trying to reach.


I think most adults have decided that they can't learn anything new, and don't even try to grasp it.  Kids haven't fallen into that trap yet.

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Tyson's schtick is getting lots of $$$ for restating rudimentary science.


Dude's gotta eat.  I wouldn't mind getting some cash for restating rudimentary science.  The Flame Challenge didn't come with a dollar sign.
 
2013-09-26 07:06:39 PM

John Buck 41: Dingleberry Dickwad: John Buck 41: CPennypacker: John Buck 41: Cucullen: I like how when this guy says something known by most grade school it's considered newsworthy.
most Farkers jostle to see who can be first in line to blow him.

I seriously think it's a racist thing. If he was white you couldn't give a shiat what he says, but because he (admit it) breaks a stereotype, everyone (well, ALmost everyone) fawns over him. Goddam pathetic.

What the hell is this

Did you mean to put one of these at the end of your comment?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 749x946]

Yeah, 'cos we get a weekly Stephen Hawking link every week or two, right, just like a NDT link? Oh, sorry. We don't. Articulate black guy trumps crippled disabled white guy, apparently.

'Cos Stephen Hawking makes a habit of doing public appearances and tries to explain science to the masses on a regular basis? I could see if Hawking was actually doing the same thing Tyson does and there's never threads for it, but that's not the case. Go back under your bridge you race baiting jackass.

Love your user name. Fits perfectly for your online persona. Well done.


I try. I figure if I'm going to be a jackass online I should at least do everyone a favor and be up front about it. Granted I try not to always be a jackass, but at least everyone who sees my screen name usually realizes I'm not always trying to be serious. Sadly it also means that when I reply at least somewhat seriously to someone else being a jackass I get a response like yours where they poorly attempt to skip over being called out on their jackassery and point out mine. Oh well.
 
2013-09-26 07:09:19 PM
I wonder if it's possible that Neil deGrasse Tyson is a cool guy regardless of his race, not despite or because of it?
 
2013-09-26 07:13:25 PM
For those who are unhappy, compare Neil to, say, Bill Nye, the Science guy.

You get about the same reaction.
 
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