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(Courier-Journal)   Kentucky's Attorney General and the state's Agriculture Commissioner are duking it out over hemp farming. Bonus: appear to have switched parties based on their arguments   (courier-journal.com) divider line 134
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2013-09-26 11:43:17 AM
If anyone needed any proof that the pissing match matters more than anything else, this is a perfect example

Cant let the other side win no matter what
 
2013-09-26 12:01:32 PM
Hemp for Victory!

/largest hemp growing state until it was banned.
 
2013-09-26 12:02:50 PM
FYI smitty, niether the RNC nor the DNC have stated support for marijuana legalization.
 
2013-09-26 12:05:45 PM

whither_apophis: Hemp for Victory!

/largest hemp growing state until it was banned.


I have a feeling that wouldn't resume in the event of legalization at the federal level.
 
2013-09-26 12:06:09 PM
I live in KY (newport, woo). This is a threat to the absolute stranglehold the coal industry has on this state, therefore, we can't have it!.

Things KY hates:

Book learnin'
Darkies
Anything that might appear to be in someway, shape or form, harmful to, or against the coal industry.
 
Juc
2013-09-26 12:06:53 PM
So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?
 
2013-09-26 12:08:42 PM
Agriculture always reverses party positions.  Find a republican opposed to "big government" when it comes to farm subsidies(hint: you won't).
 
2013-09-26 12:09:48 PM
www.rankopedia.com

"This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus belt that night on this stuff."
 
2013-09-26 12:09:54 PM
I'm looking forward to a LOT of Butthurt people in the next few years, the anti pot Pants-Wetters brigades are going to be making their last, sad, fruitless attempts to push back the tide with pitchforks and will fail, but before they give in, they are going to wail, and struggle and fight and cry and bemoan the 'END OF THE WORLD'. now that pot, that EVIL demonic weed is going to be legal in the USA finally.

You drunks go back to crying in your beers, the adults are here.
 
2013-09-26 12:15:06 PM
Here in Colorado, with amendment 64 passing legalized marijuana, it also legalized hemp and fields have already been planted and no jackbooted armored truck driving feds have shown up to destroy the crops (yet) so why not grow in Kentucky too.
 
2013-09-26 12:16:24 PM

Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?


It can be used for fuel as well.
 
2013-09-26 12:16:59 PM

SuperT: I live in KY (newport, woo). This is a threat to the absolute stranglehold the coal industry has on this state, therefore, we can't have it!.

Things KY hates:

Book learnin'
Darkies
Anything that might appear to be in someway, shape or form, harmful to, or against the coal industry.


Duke
 
2013-09-26 12:17:55 PM

Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?


Paper.
 
2013-09-26 12:18:50 PM
"Dear Lord, before we eat this meal we must ask forgiveness for our sins - especially Boyd.  Who blew up a black church with a rocket launcher.  And afterwards, he shot his associate Jared Hale in the back of the head, out on Tate's Creek Road..."
 
2013-09-26 12:20:32 PM
It doesn't necessarily sound like the AG is against growing hemp, just that his opinion is that the rationale used by Comer to state that it is legal to grow hemp is not sound.
 
2013-09-26 12:20:52 PM

USCLaw2010: SuperT: I live in KY (newport, woo). This is a threat to the absolute stranglehold the coal industry has on this state, therefore, we can't have it!.

Things KY hates:

Book learnin'
Darkies
Anything that might appear to be in someway, shape or form, harmful to, or against the coal industry.

Duke


I was born in Louisville, I live in Cincinnati. I don't have the hate for duke like the yokels do.
 
2013-09-26 12:21:53 PM

Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?


You can make paper with it and it is far more 'renewable' than trees since it grows so fast.
 
2013-09-26 12:23:54 PM
Hemp can be used to make fuel, plastic, paper, fibers among other things. Hemp is also consided a super food. It has all the essential fatty acids your body needs, makes excellent skin care products among its other uses. Hemp is only illegal to grow here so the US has to import all of its hemp (mainly from Canada).
 
2013-09-26 12:24:23 PM

Girion47: Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?

It can be used for fuel as well.


I've forgotten right now which one but there's a European car manufacturer using it for reinforcement in interior trim panels or some such thing.  There's some kind of European tax incentive for natural fiber stuff.  My GIS is weak this morning.
 
2013-09-26 12:25:02 PM

theknuckler_33: Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?

You can make paper with it and it is far more 'renewable' than trees since it grows so fast.


Also needs less chemicals to make into paper
 
2013-09-26 12:26:00 PM

bmwericus: I'm looking forward to a LOT of Butthurt people in the next few years, the anti pot Pants-Wetters brigades are going to be making their last, sad, fruitless attempts to push back the tide with pitchforks and will fail, but before they give in, they are going to wail, and struggle and fight and cry and bemoan the 'END OF THE WORLD'. now that pot, that EVIL demonic weed is going to be legal in the USA finally.

You drunks go back to crying in your beers, the adults are here.


I look forward to living out my golden years surrounded by a haze of purple.

also...

photos1.blogger.com
 
2013-09-26 12:27:36 PM
Juc
So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?


Paper. If you want to go with alternative history, it wasn't a few black people growing weed in their backyard, it was this:

Link
Short answer, very rich person with influenced owned trees and liked paper made from trees. So started PR campaign to make marijuana illegal, even though the connection to industrial hemp is questionable.
 
2013-09-26 12:27:38 PM

SuperT: USCLaw2010: SuperT: I live in KY (newport, woo). This is a threat to the absolute stranglehold the coal industry has on this state, therefore, we can't have it!.

Things KY hates:

Book learnin'
Darkies
Anything that might appear to be in someway, shape or form, harmful to, or against the coal industry.

Duke

I was born in Louisville, I live in Cincinnati. I don't have the hate for duke like the yokels do.


uhhhh, NKY != Cincinnati

/cincy resident
//hates dook (unc grad)
//hates osu more (born in ann arbor to 2 u of m grads)
 
2013-09-26 12:28:41 PM
One more time: link
Link
 
2013-09-26 12:29:24 PM

ShadowKamui: theknuckler_33: Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?

You can make paper with it and it is far more 'renewable' than trees since it grows so fast.

Also needs less chemicals to make into paper


And someone already mentioned fuel, so consider that said fuel can be procured by both cellulosic ethanol production and biodiesel from hempseed oil.  Plus the oil's decent for culinary use too.

Also food for people AND livestock, and lots of livestock have a predilection towards hempseed feed.
 
2013-09-26 12:29:41 PM
Do...um...do they know that you can't smoke hemp? Well, I guess you can technically smoke it but it's not going to get you high.

Someone should tell them.

I know this is new and stunning information. Maybe they should sit down before someone tells them.
 
2013-09-26 12:31:32 PM

cman: If anyone needed any proof that the pissing match matters more than anything else, this is a perfect example
Cant let the other side win no matter what


...except that as regards hemp (or, for that matter, pot) opinions don't break down along party lines, here.  I'm all for hemp production, but Conway's right.  Until there's a change in Federal law, this is going to be a legal minefield for any business that gets involved in it on a scale large enough to matter.

The only pissing-match aspect of the issue, if any, is the Rand Paul faux-libertarian crowd wanting to use this as an excuse to butt heads with the big, evil gub'mint.  That will play particularly well here.  The right way to go about it would be for our dear congresscritters to start seriously pushing the issue on a national scale, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
2013-09-26 12:31:54 PM

ShadowKamui: theknuckler_33: Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?

You can make paper with it and it is far more 'renewable' than trees since it grows so fast.

Also needs less chemicals to make into paper


I didn't even know that. Bonus!
 
2013-09-26 12:32:49 PM

Girion47: Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?

It can be used for fuel as well.


And paper, and probably a gazillion other things.  Big businesses would be hurt by allowing hemp to be grown.  They've been using the fact that, when doctored, it will grow huge amounts of THC (you know, the drug), as an excuse to not allow it to be grown at all.  But anyone who knows anything about the plant, it's really easy to grow acres upon acres of the plant without the drug.
 
2013-09-26 12:33:38 PM

gabethegoat: SuperT: USCLaw2010: SuperT: I live in KY (newport, woo). This is a threat to the absolute stranglehold the coal industry has on this state, therefore, we can't have it!.

Things KY hates:

Book learnin'
Darkies
Anything that might appear to be in someway, shape or form, harmful to, or against the coal industry.

Duke

I was born in Louisville, I live in Cincinnati. I don't have the hate for duke like the yokels do.

uhhhh, NKY != Cincinnati

/cincy resident
//hates dook (unc grad)
//hates osu more (born in ann arbor to 2 u of m grads)


oh go fark yourself. I live closer to downtown than pretty much everyone in the city, except people in one lytle place. I can walk to GABP. I'm as much Cincy as anyone who lives on the north side of our river.
 
2013-09-26 12:35:56 PM
durbnpoisn
And paper, and probably a gazillion other things. Big businesses would be hurt by allowing hemp to be grown. They've been using the fact that, when doctored, it will grow huge amounts of THC (you know, the drug), as an excuse to not allow it to be grown at all. But anyone who knows anything about the plant, it's really easy to grow acres upon acres of the plant without the drug.


And I think I have read that if you are growing hemp (very low THC levels), then it makes growing marijuana with high THC impossible.
 
2013-09-26 12:40:05 PM

dmaestaz: Hemp can be used to make fuel, plastic, paper, fibers among other things. Hemp is also consided a super food. It has all the essential fatty acids your body needs, makes excellent skin care products among its other uses. Hemp is only illegal to grow here so the US has to import all of its hemp (mainly from Canada).


It also is a great "mop crop" that can purify soil and water. I especially love hempseed oil for skin and hair care products. Very emollient but absorbs well so your skin stays soft without feeling greasy.

Raising hemp as a side cash crop kept my grandfather's dairy farm solvent during the depression.
 
2013-09-26 12:40:43 PM

Enemabag Jones: durbnpoisn
And paper, and probably a gazillion other things. Big businesses would be hurt by allowing hemp to be grown. They've been using the fact that, when doctored, it will grow huge amounts of THC (you know, the drug), as an excuse to not allow it to be grown at all. But anyone who knows anything about the plant, it's really easy to grow acres upon acres of the plant without the drug.

And I think I have read that if you are growing hemp (very low THC levels), then it makes growing marijuana with high THC impossible.


Not that I'm an expert on this.  But this is how I think it works:
When you are trying to produce pot with THC, you want to remove all the male plants from the vacinity.  This prompts the female plants to go crazy producing buds loaded with THC.  If the male plants are there to fertalize, the females don't produce.

So, yeah, you're right.  If no one is seperating the plants, you will end up with a tremendously fertile crop of hemp that produces almost no THC.
 
2013-09-26 12:41:13 PM
Anyone who intentionally grows the crop "will expose themselves to potential criminal liability and the possible seizure of property," Conway's opinion said

You know who else seized the property of people they didn't like?

Hitler.
 
2013-09-26 12:41:21 PM

Dr Dreidel: whither_apophis: Hemp for Victory!

/largest hemp growing state until it was banned.

I have a feeling that wouldn't resume in the event of legalization at the federal level.


Probably not for the smoking kind, but for fiber it might.

/just pass a law all fiber hemp plants must be male clones.
//banana peels will get you higher
///...or so I've heard...
 
2013-09-26 12:42:35 PM

durbnpoisn: Girion47: Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?

It can be used for fuel as well.

And paper, and probably a gazillion other things.  Big businesses would be hurt by allowing hemp to be grown.  They've been using the fact that, when doctored, it will grow huge amounts of THC (you know, the drug), as an excuse to not allow it to be grown at all.  But anyone who knows anything about the plant, it's really easy to grow acres upon acres of the plant without the drug.


Hearst is long since dead, the people who stand to lose to these days to hemp have jack all for influence (DEA power trips aside).  Hell Monsanto probably loves the idea of hemp since its one more crop for them to make roundup ready
 
2013-09-26 12:44:39 PM
During the 1950's my father was in charge of the Strategic Materials Stockpile at the Pentagon.  There was real concern about the U.S. losing it's access to  Manila hemp and the Pentagon, under my father's supervision, started a project in Kentucky to grown hemp.  They were trying to grow a large crop of hemp and breed out the occasional polyploid problem.  Most of the really good weed in the world today comes from a strain of blue Russian hemp.  Anyway, all their attempts failed and they finally stopped the project (about 5 years I think).  The biggest finding was that over time hemp does indeed tend to mutate to a polyploid state.  The seeds were carried by birds, wind and probably feral hogs all over Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, WVaq, Va, Tennessee -  get the picture?
 
2013-09-26 12:46:34 PM
In a few years, it'll be just like alcohol. The holier-than-thou's in Shiatstain, KY, will forbid that debil hemp from crossing their county lines, but when revenue collectin' time comes, they'll be among the first to stick their snouts in the cash trough.
 
2013-09-26 12:47:33 PM
I'm not sold on hemp farming. It's a gateway textile, and for god's sake will someone think of the children.
 
2013-09-26 12:47:41 PM

Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?


This may help.
 
2013-09-26 12:48:46 PM

Girion47: Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?

It can be used for fuel as well.




Hemp hearts are actually nutrition dense foods. Hemp hearts are sold in Canada. Hemp makes good paper. The US constitution was written on hemp paper. Hemp is an excellent nitrogen fixer for the soil after its been depleted by corn. Hemp makes strong tote bags. Hemp grows fast. Hemp fibre has come along way to making comfortable clothes. I get skin rashes with plastic fibres have to wear natural fibres whenever possible. Hemp is easy to grow which is why the cotton textile industry is against it. Follow the mo eh. You will see the real reason why there is this stubborn interest to keep it illegal.
 
2013-09-26 12:51:14 PM

bmwericus: I'm looking forward to a LOT of Butthurt people in the next few years, the anti pot Pants-Wetters brigades are going to be making their last, sad, fruitless attempts to push back the tide with pitchforks and will fail, but before they give in, they are going to wail, and struggle and fight and cry and bemoan the 'END OF THE WORLD'. now that pot, that EVIL demonic weed is going to be legal in the USA finally.

You drunks go back to crying in your beers, the adults are here.


You are positively deluded. people like you have been screaming this for 50 years plus now, and it's still illegal. The initiative out west aren't more than a blip, and will end up mainly being just a case of the Feds giving giving the potheads enough rope to hang everyone involved in legalization before they clamp the fark back down.

/I absolutely support legalization
//but it ain't happening
///good thread here the other day with people pointing out that 90%+ of "medical" mj cards were just licenses to get high
 
2013-09-26 12:53:11 PM

durbnpoisn: Enemabag Jones: durbnpoisn
And paper, and probably a gazillion other things. Big businesses would be hurt by allowing hemp to be grown. They've been using the fact that, when doctored, it will grow huge amounts of THC (you know, the drug), as an excuse to not allow it to be grown at all. But anyone who knows anything about the plant, it's really easy to grow acres upon acres of the plant without the drug.

And I think I have read that if you are growing hemp (very low THC levels), then it makes growing marijuana with high THC impossible.

Not that I'm an expert on this.  But this is how I think it works:
When you are trying to produce pot with THC, you want to remove all the male plants from the vacinity.  This prompts the female plants to go crazy producing buds loaded with THC.  If the male plants are there to fertalize, the females don't produce.

So, yeah, you're right.  If no one is seperating the plants, you will end up with a tremendously fertile crop of hemp that produces almost no THC.


Not true at all.  Sure, it'll be less potent then these super-hybrids that are out today, but there's plenty of mid-grade stuff out there that's full of seeds but will still get you a respectable buzz.

/or so I'm told
 
2013-09-26 12:54:11 PM

Carousel Beast: good thread here the other day with people pointing out that 90%+ of "medical" mj cards were just licenses to get high


People want to be stoned and drunk? The. Horror.
 
2013-09-26 12:54:14 PM
You can even use it for car panels.
 
2013-09-26 12:56:43 PM
ugh...  than, not then.
 
2013-09-26 12:58:55 PM

Juc: So, what's so gret about hemp anyway? Isn't it basically just used for rope and incredibly uncomfortable textiles?


I have a hemp shirt I bought in Canada and it's the most comfortable shirt I own. Looks pretty sharp, too - no hippy tie-dye nonsense, but a well tailored, short sleeve button-down shirt.
 
2013-09-26 12:58:59 PM
Once the hemp runs out at the party I'm at, I also switch parties.
 
2013-09-26 01:00:30 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Anyone who intentionally grows the crop "will expose themselves to potential criminal liability and the possible seizure of property," Conway's opinion said

You know who else seized the property of people they didn't like?

Hitler.


Hitler was tame compared to what the Soviets did in Russia
 
2013-09-26 01:00:40 PM

MayoSlather: Carousel Beast: good thread here the other day with people pointing out that 90%+ of "medical" mj cards were just licenses to get high

People want to be stoned and drunk? The. Horror.


Which part of "I absolutely support legalization" did you not grasp?

Actually, probably all of it, since my post contained such poor wording, grammar, and spelling that I could barely make sense of it as a product of the English language. Sorry about that. I am fully prepared to accept any scorn or mocking due to it.
 
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