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2013-09-26 11:23:31 AM  
6 votes:

schubie: When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.


You know, he's right.

I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.
2013-09-26 10:49:04 AM  
5 votes:
It's cheaper than heroin, but still costs you an arm and a leg...
2013-09-26 10:44:34 AM  
3 votes:
When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.
2013-09-26 10:26:57 AM  
3 votes:

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2013-09-26 10:25:38 AM  
3 votes:
Krokodil? "New drug"? This must be some radically different use of the word "new" with which I was previously unfamiliar.
2013-09-26 11:30:05 AM  
2 votes:

R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.


Look, nobody is arguing that any junkie out there is somehow unaware that they are slowly (or quickly) killing themselves.  But honestly, do you think a lot of junkies started from where they are now?  It takes a lot of time to go from smoking heroin with some weed once or twice at a party to selling your body to get enough heroin to get through the day without getting sick.  I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves, but have a little empathy.  Some of them CAN be saved, if public policy treats this as a public health crisis rather than a criminal affair.
2013-09-26 11:26:31 AM  
2 votes:

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Why? Alcohol is way more destructive than heroin or cocaine yet people still function on it. Mainly because the most down on his luck alky can recycle some cans or panhandle a few bucks and get his fix. He's not robbing, carjacking, burglarizing, stealing or prostituting to support his destructive and ultimately lethal habit.

Liquor store owners aren't recruiting children to act as lookouts and murdering other store owners and those caught in the crossfire over turf. Neighborhoods aren't blighted by the crimes associated with the users and purveyors of booze making it so the only way to find a job is to sell alcohol or your body to score some booze. Instead, the users can get farked up and then go to work because they don't have a habit that costs 150 dollars a day. Crime plummets, neighborhoods thrive, families heal and life is good. But you're right, that's stupid.
2013-09-26 11:25:12 AM  
2 votes:

xalres: namegoeshere: WTF? Were they doing it for the thrill?

Codeine being scrip only here should prevent this from ever going mainstream. It's what you do if you can't get anything else. It's not the kind of thing you go out of your way to do.

That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.


As I understand it, the rotting limbs are less from the drug than sloppiness in making it. Kind of like how Absinthe used to get you high. Only rather than Absinthe being something you want to get drunk and the high was an "unintentional" side-effect, Krokodil is meant to get you high and the gangrene is really an unintentional side-effect.

If Walter White made Krokodil, this wouldn't be a problem.
2013-09-26 10:39:40 AM  
2 votes:

QueenMamaBee: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

Yes, that's the answer, cheaper heroin.

Why not a better mental health care system?


Why not a legal framework that treats drugs as a social problem as opposed to a criminal problem?

Drug users need treatment, and hard drugs need to be made socially unacceptable.  We can't do that in a climate of prohibition.
2013-09-26 10:37:29 AM  
2 votes:

YoOjo: When did drugs get so shiatty?
Used to be all we had was warm fuzzy downers, some peachy psychedelics to lose yourself in midweek, copious amounts of weed and maybe a bit of coke or smack, if you were into that kind of thing.
Now it's all horse tranquilizers, drain cleaners mixed with industrial weed killer, crushed hopes and dreams in a dilution of impure bile, and if you're particularly unlucky, something they call 21st Century Reality.


The government got involved.  Every time they get tough in the War on Drugs, we all suffer.

Any time a politician tells me he's going to get tough on something, I tell him I'm never going to vote for his Nazi loving ass again.
2013-09-26 10:37:21 AM  
2 votes:
QueenMamaBee:
Why not a better mental health care system?

This.  And treat addiction as what it really is:  Not a criminal problem, but a public health crisis.

/yes, I know won't somebody PLEASE think of the prison-industrial complex, etc.
2013-09-26 10:31:33 AM  
2 votes:
When did drugs get so shiatty?
Used to be all we had was warm fuzzy downers, some peachy psychedelics to lose yourself in midweek, copious amounts of weed and maybe a bit of coke or smack, if you were into that kind of thing.
Now it's all horse tranquilizers, drain cleaners mixed with industrial weed killer, crushed hopes and dreams in a dilution of impure bile, and if you're particularly unlucky, something they call 21st Century Reality.
2013-09-26 10:28:06 AM  
2 votes:
Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.
2013-09-26 10:26:19 AM  
2 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: I was wondering when/if that was going to make it to the US.


Same here. If it's cheap and gets you high, somebody somewhere will be finding a way to distribute it.
2013-09-26 10:25:34 AM  
2 votes:
I was wondering when/if that was going to make it to the US.
2013-09-26 10:20:35 AM  
2 votes:
2013-09-26 05:16:27 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: xalres: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

...or alcohol, the withdrawals from which can actually kill you. Sounds like he gave up social drinking and thinks he "beat alcoholism", so anybody should be able to kick anything by "just not doing it". I get it. I quit smoking by just quitting smoking cold turkey. I realize that it's not that easy for everybody though.

I drank more than anyone you have ever known. Difference is, I deal with the night sweats and the shakes and stop. Make no mistake, addiction is nothing but people being weak.


It's amazing that someone can speak from experience and at the same time have no idea what they're talking about.
2013-09-26 04:06:50 PM  
1 votes:

xalres: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

...or alcohol, the withdrawals from which can actually kill you. Sounds like he gave up social drinking and thinks he "beat alcoholism", so anybody should be able to kick anything by "just not doing it". I get it. I quit smoking by just quitting smoking cold turkey. I realize that it's not that easy for everybody though.


I drank more than anyone you have ever known. Difference is, I deal with the night sweats and the shakes and stop. Make no mistake, addiction is nothing but people being weak.
2013-09-26 03:33:17 PM  
1 votes:

buckler: If you value the last thing you ate, do NOT GIS "krokodil".


Dang, you weren't kidding.
2013-09-26 03:02:33 PM  
1 votes:

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Legalizing drugs caused usage to drop dramatically as people were able to see treatment without fear of legal repercussions.



Evaluating Drug Decriminalization in Portugal 12 Years Later - SPIEGEL ONLINE
2013-09-26 01:38:33 PM  
1 votes:
Marcus Aurelius: Drug users need treatment, and hard drugs need to be made socially unacceptable.  We can't do that in a climate of prohibition.

Bah..lost the whole post I'd written due to an unfortunate case of Mac touchpad gestures.

Summary: I agree with almost all of your post.

I've been working around addicts for some time. If they had been charged with a crime, the great majority of the time it was in relation to either financially maintaining their supply, or addressing a deficit of supply. Very few serious crimes were committed while intoxicated.

The extremely rare violent crime was most often done in the throes of withdrawal, not while intoxicated.

Addressing the supply is very important issue that is extremely difficult to speak about in our culture of intolerance and prohibition. Effective therapy and social ostracization cannot co-exist, primarily because the taboo against hard drug usage prohibits clear, rational discourse and lends itself towards destructive stereotyping. Methadone and suboxone are available, but at significant social costs due to the very design of the programs. Current therapy models are built atop the stereotype of the unproductive, destructive addict and are treated as such, either at the clinics themselves, or by employers/potential employers.

The social stigma of being 'in recovery' is almost as bad as being an addict. Often, it is worse - the rules and rigors of current opiate therapy almost necessitate disclosure to one's social group, including employers, wherein an active addict can and is extremely proficient at hiding their habit. This is the most important issue facing current therapy techniques - in order to stop, one must out oneself as a user, and that outing does not remain compartmentalized within the therapy setting. It leaks into the rest of one's social construct. Consider that in the context of whatever hidden vice(s) you may possess. 50 years ago, things like depression, suicidal ideation and homosexuality had the same stigma. Admit any of those things, and one's entire social circle faced collapse. So, we end up with an terrible choice a.) continue feeling good and maintain social bonds, or b.) stop feeling good and risk breaking everything.

When high, however, these addicts went to work, went to school, made art, built businesses - not only were they productive, but more productive than most. The times when productivity dived - lethargy, days off work, firings and the subsequent financial devastation that occurs with a habit and no income - were generally related to a lack of supply, rather than a surplus. These people didn't get farked up and go watch TV or abuse kittens, the took their drugs and marched on the world.

I'm speaking purely of the non-criminal minded addict, which includes addicts who committed crimes in service to their addiction. I'm not speaking of the criminal mind who became an addict. I don't deal with that demographic. The nuance is subtle, but one that is lost on most of the staunch anti-drug crowd. There gulf between the two groups is enormous.

/I don't imagine I've changed your mind, but I hope I've compelled you to reconsider your position.

//I think most of the anti-drug crowd would shiat their pants if they understood how many of their idols, leaders, mentors, bosses, teachers, co-workers, friends and family are/were functional opiate addicts.
2013-09-26 01:28:32 PM  
1 votes:

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2013-09-26 11:26:09 AM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


Or alcohol. I used to work in the ER and I've seen some bad DTs from people trying to sober up on their own. "Liking" alcohol and "being addicted" to alcohol are not remotely the same thing.
2013-09-26 11:22:50 AM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?


You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.
2013-09-26 11:22:31 AM  
1 votes:

R.A.Danny: Seriously, people know exactly what this drug does, what is in it, and what will happen if they use it.

It's just assisted suicide.


People think they can be moderate in their use. People do not have a good sense of what it means to be addicted. When it screws up your dopamine uptake and you end up literally being unable to be happy unless you take the drug, it rapidly becomes no longer your choice. Your biology overwhelms your cognitive abilities and you become trapped, unable to stop, because your body is running the show. You may as well say you can stop your heartbeat with mere willpower.

/Just studied this in grad school
2013-09-26 11:22:24 AM  
1 votes:
Dear stupid kids;

If you're going to mix your own bootleg drugs instead of buying them from a dealer as an end-product, please pay attention to your bloody high-school chemistry lab, specifically how to wash substances and what polar/nonpolar solvents are biocompatible.

For chrissake, if you can dissovle something in gasoline you can probably dissolve it in ethanol, possibly with similar chemical effects.

Sincerely,
A guy whose flesh isn't dissolving because he injected farking gasoline
2013-09-26 11:20:45 AM  
1 votes:
Anyone crazy enough to shoot krokodil deserves the slow, excruciating death they are virtually guaranteed to get. That is the worst shiat in the world.
2013-09-26 11:18:28 AM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: WTF? Were they doing it for the thrill?

Codeine being scrip only here should prevent this from ever going mainstream. It's what you do if you can't get anything else. It's not the kind of thing you go out of your way to do.


That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.
2013-09-26 11:11:59 AM  
1 votes:

QueenMamaBee: Snarfangel: QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug?

How else are you going to get your skin to turn green and fall off?

I don't know.... I've never really had the desire to do that. Darker brown is the only color change I like, and I like my skin precisely where it is.


It maintains "kick" while diluting (and increasing the profit margins of) your supply of the (semi) pure drug you started with.  People get high off of huffing paint thinner and gasoline fumes, but they don't have to pay a dealer extra cash for that.
2013-09-26 11:09:29 AM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin?  Are they talking about the effects?  Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.

QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?


I remember reading an article in National Geographic once about cocaine and they used some interesting ingredients out in Columbia in order to make it.  Stuff like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, gasoline, ammonia, etc.  Meth manufacturing uses some crazy stuff as well.
Of course, the professionals use better methods to reduce the impurities, but even in a purer state, those drugs will still fark your body up.
2013-09-26 11:04:19 AM  
1 votes:
Addicts gonna addict.  Decriminalization and medical management of addiction wouldn't likely reduce the number of addicts but it would take most of the money out of the drug business.  If a day's worth of heroin was $5 you wouldn't see people stabbed for it, nor drug lords buying police, or dealers shooting up rivals.
2013-09-26 10:51:37 AM  
1 votes:

FrancoFile: We should be distributing Prozac and Zoloft for free.


we do, it's in every fresh body of water.
2013-09-26 10:51:22 AM  
1 votes:

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Why?  It was all perfectly legal up until about 1900, and we seemed to function quite well as a society.

The stupidest idea ever was letting our politicians pass laws that made a large percentage of our population into criminals.
2013-09-26 10:49:56 AM  
1 votes:

spickus: Yes I do. Link please.


Medscape has a good article for it. Even with SafeSearch on, google's images are pretty NSFW. Lots of necrosis and gangrene photos.
2013-09-26 10:45:39 AM  
1 votes:
Ya know, if you're dumb enough to inject gasoline, paint thinner, acid & other stuff into your body, you should probably just go ahead and shoot up enough to take yourself out of the gene pool.
2013-09-26 10:45:21 AM  
1 votes:

Snarfangel: Similar to morphine or heroin, krokodil is made by mixing codeine with substances like gasoline, paint thinner, oil or alcohol.

There's your problem. You need to use healthy ingredients, like sulfuric acid, plutonium, or raw sewage.


Similar to heroin?  Are they talking about the effects?  Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.
2013-09-26 10:42:43 AM  
1 votes:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: This.  Krokodil has been around at least 10 years that I know of.  Didn't it start in Russia?


It's new in the United States. Mainly because Codeine is not available OTC here, and it's hard to get a prescription for pure codeine products anymore.
2013-09-26 10:41:27 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-09-26 10:41:12 AM  
1 votes:

doublesecretprobation: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

can't tell if serious.....  i was under the impression that there was actually a glut of heroin thanks to our friends in the middle east.  it's definitely a big problem here in MA.


Krok is ten times cheaper than heroin.  Heroin is actually turning into a middle class drug.  The street purity is far higher than it's ever been, so users can snort it now.
2013-09-26 10:40:53 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "users mix codeine with gasoline, paint thinner, iodine, hydrochloric acid and red phosphorous"

People INJECT this?  WTF is wrong with these people?  Addition doesn't explain it, just snort/shoot/eat the codine.  WTF are you doing adding paint thinner and gas to ANYTHING you inject?

/I did the google image search, gross
//thought this was an urban legend in the early 2000s
2013-09-26 10:39:33 AM  
1 votes:

doublesecretprobation: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

can't tell if serious.....  i was under the impression that there was actually a glut of heroin thanks to our friends in the middle east.  it's definitely a big problem here in MA.


The war on terror has given us lots and lots of cheap heroin.
2013-09-26 10:34:58 AM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.


Yes, that's the answer, cheaper heroin.

Why not a better mental health care system?
2013-09-26 10:34:57 AM  
1 votes:

The Madd Mann: Ah, Krokodil. Those crazy Russians.


The only good Russian drug is vodak.
2013-09-26 10:30:52 AM  
1 votes:
Made the mistake of looking this shiat up about a year ago after my brother told me about a video he saw about it.

Guy whose leg basically rotted away until his bones were exposed to the knee and a couple of his friends help him saw it off with a bow saw.

You dont wanna see it...trust me.
2013-09-26 10:30:07 AM  
1 votes:
Shadow Blasko:
/Won't be long until every substance that can be used to make it will be illegal, possibly including bottled water.

Not "illegal" per se, but on what they call the DEA "snitch list", making it hard to get in any quantity unless you have a legitimate use for it.  That's why we have to have our ID's scanned to buy cold medicine.
2013-09-26 10:27:58 AM  
1 votes:
That mixture is then injected into a vein, potentially causing an addict's skin to greenish, scaly and eventually rot away.

The whole thing?
2013-09-26 10:26:50 AM  
1 votes:
w/o reading the article, thought krokodil.

looks like i was right.

/ not new
// not going to image search.
2013-09-26 10:26:31 AM  
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Krokodil? "New drug"? This must be some radically different use of the word "new" with which I was previously unfamiliar.


"New to the U.S." might have been more accurate, but this is Fox News we're talking about.
 
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