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2013-09-26 10:20:35 AM  
 
2013-09-26 10:22:30 AM  
And it'll be in your kids Halloween candy
 
2013-09-26 10:25:34 AM  
I was wondering when/if that was going to make it to the US.
 
2013-09-26 10:25:38 AM  
Krokodil? "New drug"? This must be some radically different use of the word "new" with which I was previously unfamiliar.
 
2013-09-26 10:25:46 AM  
No Gator at all...
 
2013-09-26 10:26:16 AM  
jryanfuller.com
 
2013-09-26 10:26:19 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I was wondering when/if that was going to make it to the US.


Same here. If it's cheap and gets you high, somebody somewhere will be finding a way to distribute it.
 
2013-09-26 10:26:31 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Krokodil? "New drug"? This must be some radically different use of the word "new" with which I was previously unfamiliar.


"New to the U.S." might have been more accurate, but this is Fox News we're talking about.
 
2013-09-26 10:26:36 AM  
Where's Walter White when you need him?

Also, old news is old.
 
2013-09-26 10:26:39 AM  
Ah, Krokodil. Those crazy Russians.
 
2013-09-26 10:26:50 AM  
w/o reading the article, thought krokodil.

looks like i was right.

/ not new
// not going to image search.
 
2013-09-26 10:26:54 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I was wondering when/if that was going to make it to the US.


Yeah, same here.  I've been reading articles about the trouble Russia has had with it for years now.  I don't suspect it's much worse than street heroin though, god only knows how many times any "powder" kind of drug is stepped on and cut with all manner of nasty things.
 
2013-09-26 10:26:57 AM  

i369.photobucket.com

 
2013-09-26 10:27:58 AM  
That mixture is then injected into a vein, potentially causing an addict's skin to greenish, scaly and eventually rot away.

The whole thing?
 
2013-09-26 10:28:06 AM  
Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.
 
2013-09-26 10:28:20 AM  
The faces of Krokodil billboards will be epic.

/Won't be long until every substance that can be used to make it will be illegal, possibly including bottled water.
 
2013-09-26 10:28:52 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Krokodil? "New drug"? This must be some radically different use of the word "new" with which I was previously unfamiliar.


it's new if the crazy conservatives haven't heard of it

/only scary to those who use it
 
2013-09-26 10:29:31 AM  
...there's a fun new drug on the streets that not only gets you high but also causes your skin to rot away


Wait, what's the catch?
 
2013-09-26 10:30:07 AM  
Shadow Blasko:
/Won't be long until every substance that can be used to make it will be illegal, possibly including bottled water.

Not "illegal" per se, but on what they call the DEA "snitch list", making it hard to get in any quantity unless you have a legitimate use for it.  That's why we have to have our ID's scanned to buy cold medicine.
 
2013-09-26 10:30:52 AM  
Made the mistake of looking this shiat up about a year ago after my brother told me about a video he saw about it.

Guy whose leg basically rotted away until his bones were exposed to the knee and a couple of his friends help him saw it off with a bow saw.

You dont wanna see it...trust me.
 
2013-09-26 10:31:33 AM  
When did drugs get so shiatty?
Used to be all we had was warm fuzzy downers, some peachy psychedelics to lose yourself in midweek, copious amounts of weed and maybe a bit of coke or smack, if you were into that kind of thing.
Now it's all horse tranquilizers, drain cleaners mixed with industrial weed killer, crushed hopes and dreams in a dilution of impure bile, and if you're particularly unlucky, something they call 21st Century Reality.
 
2013-09-26 10:31:59 AM  
If it gave you magical powers they could call it Lich Dust.
 
2013-09-26 10:32:34 AM  

nekom: Shadow Blasko:
/Won't be long until every substance that can be used to make it will be illegal, possibly including bottled water.

Not "illegal" per se, but on what they call the DEA "snitch list", making it hard to get in any quantity unless you have a legitimate use for it.  That's why we have to have our ID's scanned to buy cold medicine.


And for God sakes don't buy too much by accident, or the DEA will break down your door and drag you away.
 
2013-09-26 10:32:56 AM  
Wow. Krokodill in the United States?

I was always laboring under the impression that the reason people used that was because A) Codiene and it's other precursers are OTC in Europe, and B) They can't afford anything else.
 
2013-09-26 10:33:00 AM  
New? Maybe I spend to much time online, but this has been around a while. Probably not in the states, but it's been around for a while.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:08 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.


can't tell if serious.....  i was under the impression that there was actually a glut of heroin thanks to our friends in the middle east.  it's definitely a big problem here in MA.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:22 AM  

Shadow Blasko: The faces of Krokodil billboards will be epic.


Someone get Darren Aranofsky on the phone.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:28 AM  
Meth?
 
2013-09-26 10:34:33 AM  

Langston: Same here. If it's cheap and gets you high, somebody somewhere will be finding a way to distribute it.


From what I understand, it's not really distributed. It's what heroin users make themselves when they can't get heroin, so there's not really a market for it. It's pretty much the last resort, and I kinda figured that junkies in the US wouldn't have to go that far.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:54 AM  
To produce the potentially deadly drug, which has a comparable effect to heroin but is much cheaper to make, users mix codeine with gasoline, paint thinner, iodine, hydrochloric acid and red phosphorous

So the curiosity got me and I just had to look up how this stuff gets synthesized using any of the above ingredients and holy farking hell why the fark you put this shiat in your system?

The final result, ON TOP of the resultant left ingrediants if not filtered correctly during processing is going to get you just to name a few iodocodeine, iodomorphine, hydrogen iodide all of which are going to fark you up big time in short order. This sounds almost like the equivalent of your shake and bake meth cooks, the quickest dirtiest way to make desomorphone.

Course, I imagine it's pretty hard to get cinnamoyl chloride in large quantities even in places like Russia.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:57 AM  

The Madd Mann: Ah, Krokodil. Those crazy Russians.


The only good Russian drug is vodak.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:58 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.


Yes, that's the answer, cheaper heroin.

Why not a better mental health care system?
 
2013-09-26 10:35:23 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: From what I understand, it's not really distributed. It's what heroin users make themselves when they can't get heroin, so there's not really a market for it. It's pretty much the last resort, and I kinda figured that junkies in the US wouldn't have to go that far.


Pretty much this, as I understand. The whole reason that it's in such common use over there is because the opiates used to make it are easily obtained without a prescription.
 
2013-09-26 10:35:29 AM  
www.geekosystem.com
 
2013-09-26 10:35:39 AM  

Dog Welder: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Krokodil? "New drug"? This must be some radically different use of the word "new" with which I was previously unfamiliar.

"New to the U.S." might have been more accurate, but this is Fox News subby we're talking about.


Article's first sentence acknowledges the drug is at least a decade old.
 
2013-09-26 10:35:46 AM  
Similar to morphine or heroin, krokodil is made by mixing codeine with substances like gasoline, paint thinner, oil or alcohol.

There's your problem. You need to use healthy ingredients, like sulfuric acid, plutonium, or raw sewage.
 
2013-09-26 10:36:32 AM  

Snarfangel: plutonium


You trying to get high or be Bruce Banner?
 
2013-09-26 10:37:21 AM  
QueenMamaBee:
Why not a better mental health care system?

This.  And treat addiction as what it really is:  Not a criminal problem, but a public health crisis.

/yes, I know won't somebody PLEASE think of the prison-industrial complex, etc.
 
2013-09-26 10:37:29 AM  

YoOjo: When did drugs get so shiatty?
Used to be all we had was warm fuzzy downers, some peachy psychedelics to lose yourself in midweek, copious amounts of weed and maybe a bit of coke or smack, if you were into that kind of thing.
Now it's all horse tranquilizers, drain cleaners mixed with industrial weed killer, crushed hopes and dreams in a dilution of impure bile, and if you're particularly unlucky, something they call 21st Century Reality.


The government got involved.  Every time they get tough in the War on Drugs, we all suffer.

Any time a politician tells me he's going to get tough on something, I tell him I'm never going to vote for his Nazi loving ass again.
 
2013-09-26 10:37:39 AM  
Every two months someone writes this article.
 
2013-09-26 10:38:02 AM  

Shadow Blasko: The faces of Krokodil billboards will be epic.

/Won't be long until every substance that can be used to make it will be illegal, possibly including bottled water.


Yeah, now you can rot your teeth out and your skin off all at the same time.  USA!  USA!  USA!
 
2013-09-26 10:38:24 AM  

pute kisses like a man: // not going to image search.


yeah... that was pretty gross... gis krokodil
 
2013-09-26 10:38:37 AM  
Thanks, Monsanto.
 
2013-09-26 10:39:33 AM  

doublesecretprobation: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

can't tell if serious.....  i was under the impression that there was actually a glut of heroin thanks to our friends in the middle east.  it's definitely a big problem here in MA.


The war on terror has given us lots and lots of cheap heroin.
 
2013-09-26 10:39:40 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

Yes, that's the answer, cheaper heroin.

Why not a better mental health care system?


Why not a legal framework that treats drugs as a social problem as opposed to a criminal problem?

Drug users need treatment, and hard drugs need to be made socially unacceptable.  We can't do that in a climate of prohibition.
 
2013-09-26 10:40:03 AM  
Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2013-09-26 10:40:53 AM  
FTFA: "users mix codeine with gasoline, paint thinner, iodine, hydrochloric acid and red phosphorous"

People INJECT this?  WTF is wrong with these people?  Addition doesn't explain it, just snort/shoot/eat the codine.  WTF are you doing adding paint thinner and gas to ANYTHING you inject?

/I did the google image search, gross
//thought this was an urban legend in the early 2000s
 
2013-09-26 10:41:12 AM  

doublesecretprobation: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

can't tell if serious.....  i was under the impression that there was actually a glut of heroin thanks to our friends in the middle east.  it's definitely a big problem here in MA.


Krok is ten times cheaper than heroin.  Heroin is actually turning into a middle class drug.  The street purity is far higher than it's ever been, so users can snort it now.
 
2013-09-26 10:41:24 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Krokodil? "New drug"? This must be some radically different use of the word "new" with which I was previously unfamiliar.


This.  Krokodil has been around at least 10 years that I know of.  Didn't it start in Russia?
 
2013-09-26 10:41:27 AM  
cdn.antiquiet.com
 
2013-09-26 10:41:45 AM  
I hope someone's giving these folks clean needles.
 
2013-09-26 10:42:43 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: This.  Krokodil has been around at least 10 years that I know of.  Didn't it start in Russia?


It's new in the United States. Mainly because Codeine is not available OTC here, and it's hard to get a prescription for pure codeine products anymore.
 
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2013-09-26 10:43:13 AM  
can't wait for miley circus to sing its praises
 
2013-09-26 10:43:37 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Drug users need treatment, and hard drugs need to be made socially unacceptable. We can't do that in a climate of prohibition.


I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs.  It's certainly one of the things that has located my range of drug usage.  I could explain a booze or weed addiction to my social group, but heroin would have steep social costs.

If we follow the social unacceptability idea, and I think we should, we should try to figure out a way to expand the stigma to groups in which heroin use is more permissible.  I'm lookin' at YOU, East Baltimore.
 
2013-09-26 10:43:49 AM  
In a documentary I saw they were using eye drops to procure some of the harder to get substances needed to make this garbage.
On top of all the negative effects it also kills your brain.  Its almost as close to a zombie as you can get.
 
2013-09-26 10:43:55 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: doublesecretprobation: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

can't tell if serious.....  i was under the impression that there was actually a glut of heroin thanks to our friends in the middle east.  it's definitely a big problem here in MA.

Krok is ten times cheaper than heroin.  Heroin is actually turning into a middle class drug.  The street purity is far higher than it's ever been, so users can snort it now.


Not around here, yet. The same poor white trash that used to get busted for pills are now the ones getting busted for heroin. (Yay, thanks Ky Prescription Law!)
 
2013-09-26 10:44:34 AM  
When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.
 
2013-09-26 10:44:56 AM  
Why don't people just get drunk anymore?!

This is just rediculous...
 
2013-09-26 10:45:21 AM  

Snarfangel: Similar to morphine or heroin, krokodil is made by mixing codeine with substances like gasoline, paint thinner, oil or alcohol.

There's your problem. You need to use healthy ingredients, like sulfuric acid, plutonium, or raw sewage.


Similar to heroin?  Are they talking about the effects?  Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.
 
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2013-09-26 10:45:35 AM  
obamacare skin graphs for everyone. come one come all.
 
2013-09-26 10:45:39 AM  
Ya know, if you're dumb enough to inject gasoline, paint thinner, acid & other stuff into your body, you should probably just go ahead and shoot up enough to take yourself out of the gene pool.
 
2013-09-26 10:45:57 AM  
I'll just stick with jenkem.
 
2013-09-26 10:46:23 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: QueenMamaBee: Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.

This is 100% the fault of the US Congress.  They refuse to regulate heroin, so people die or go to jail instead.

What a country.

Yes, that's the answer, cheaper heroin.

Why not a better mental health care system?

Why not a legal framework that treats drugs as a social problem as opposed to a criminal problem?

Drug users need treatment, and hard drugs need to be made socially unacceptable.  We can't do that in a climate of prohibition.


I understand what you're saying, but consider those two things together.  You want to make the drugs available, but tell everyone that it's unacceptable.

We have that, it's called Methadone.

/Methadone: all the releif without the fun of staying awake for your high
 
2013-09-26 10:46:30 AM  
Back in my day, the good drugs only made you THINK your flesh was rotting away.

/kids today...
 
2013-09-26 10:47:19 AM  

fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs


I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.
 
2013-09-26 10:48:09 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Made the mistake of looking this shiat up about a year ago after my brother told me about a video he saw about it.

Guy whose leg basically rotted away until his bones were exposed to the knee and a couple of his friends help him saw it off with a bow saw.

You dont wanna see it...trust me.


Yes I do. Link please.
 
2013-09-26 10:49:04 AM  
It's cheaper than heroin, but still costs you an arm and a leg...
 
2013-09-26 10:49:04 AM  
What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-09-26 10:49:07 AM  
schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.
 
2013-09-26 10:49:27 AM  

mike_d85: I understand what you're saying, but consider those two things together. You want to make the drugs available, but tell everyone that it's unacceptable.

We have that, it's called Methadone


So how do you explain the Krok market then?
 
2013-09-26 10:49:54 AM  
We should be distributing Prozac and Zoloft for free.  Sounds like the bulk of these users are basically just pissed off at life.  Some antidepressants and they might become productive again.

/or else offer euthanasia
 
2013-09-26 10:49:55 AM  
www.surprisetheguys.com
 
2013-09-26 10:49:56 AM  

spickus: Yes I do. Link please.


Medscape has a good article for it. Even with SafeSearch on, google's images are pretty NSFW. Lots of necrosis and gangrene photos.
 
2013-09-26 10:50:10 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin? Are they talking about the effects? Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.


Yes. It's a replacement for heroin. A shiatty replacement, but the ingredients are cheap, readily available and anyone can make it.

There's a pretty good article on it from Russia, I'm not linking it but a quick googling will bring it up.
 
2013-09-26 10:50:22 AM  

QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug?


How else are you going to get your skin to turn green and fall off?
 
2013-09-26 10:51:04 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.


I'm going to categorize those guys as being addicted to thrill seeking behavior rather than to drugs themselves.  I have no earthly clue what percentage of heavy drug users are this kind of person.  I would think that they would tend to be fairly light users.
 
2013-09-26 10:51:22 AM  

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Why?  It was all perfectly legal up until about 1900, and we seemed to function quite well as a society.

The stupidest idea ever was letting our politicians pass laws that made a large percentage of our population into criminals.
 
2013-09-26 10:51:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: Satan's Bunny Slippers: This.  Krokodil has been around at least 10 years that I know of.  Didn't it start in Russia?

It's new in the United States. Mainly because Codeine is not available OTC here, and it's hard to get a prescription for pure codeine products anymore.


Yeah, sorry.  I didn't read the entire thread before posting.  Thanks for the clarification though!
 
2013-09-26 10:51:37 AM  

FrancoFile: We should be distributing Prozac and Zoloft for free.


we do, it's in every fresh body of water.
 
2013-09-26 10:51:44 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin? Are they talking about the effects? Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.


It's used in the cook procedure to turn codiene into desomorphine, however the resultant sewage has ton of impurities. My guess is, after looking at the chemistry of true deso production is that the gasoline is used as a liquid while your batch crystallizes in it.
 
2013-09-26 10:51:58 AM  

Snarfangel: QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug?

How else are you going to get your skin to turn green and fall off?


I don't know.... I've never really had the desire to do that. Darker brown is the only color change I like, and I like my skin precisely where it is.
 
2013-09-26 10:52:16 AM  

gu1tarjohn: Thanks, Monsanto.


Not Monsanto's fault on this one, dumbass.
 
2013-09-26 10:52:58 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin? Are they talking about the effects? Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.

It's used in the cook procedure to turn codiene into desomorphine, however the resultant sewage has ton of impurities. My guess is, after looking at the chemistry of true deso production is that the gasoline is used as a liquid while your batch crystallizes in it.


Yikes.  I'll just stick to booze and weed.  It seems less complicated.
 
2013-09-26 10:54:51 AM  

YoOjo: When did drugs get so shiatty?
Used to be all we had was warm fuzzy downers, some peachy psychedelics to lose yourself in midweek, copious amounts of weed and maybe a bit of coke or smack, if you were into that kind of thing.
Now it's all horse tranquilizers, drain cleaners mixed with industrial weed killer, crushed hopes and dreams in a dilution of impure bile, and if you're particularly unlucky, something they call 21st Century Reality.


Dealers learned chemistry and the government got good at shutting down distribution chains, if only temporarily.

You get a pipeline of heroin running, the junkies migrate to you, you find you can cut you stuff with rat poison and (if cut properly) the user gets an even more powerful "high." Then your Colombian contact gets arrested/killed and you start upping the amount of baking soda because your supply is running out and the junkies will pay because where else they gonna go?  Every dealer's shiat got weak.

Then someone finds some shiat mix of codeine and raw sewage that works better than nothing and the customer base is desperate and the same people who smashed the last network don't have any money, skill, or compassion to fund a farking methadone clinic.
 
2013-09-26 10:54:59 AM  

84Charlie: gu1tarjohn: Thanks, Monsanto.

Not Monsanto's fault on this one, dumbass.


Ya really.  It's clearly Obama's fault.
 
2013-09-26 10:55:02 AM  

FarkinNortherner: Where's Walter White when you need him?

Also, old news is old.


It's not old news.  The report is about the drug surfacing in the US for the first time.
 
2013-09-26 10:55:05 AM  
Wouldn't it be called Alligator if it was in the US?
 
2013-09-26 10:55:46 AM  
Marcus Aurelius:
The stupidest idea ever was letting our politicians pass laws that made a large percentage of our population into criminals.

And what do these "criminals" do when they get out?  Go right back to the drug, that's what.  I'd much rather see compulsory rehab rather than prison for drug addicts.  Marijuana should be 100% legal, it's less harmful than tobacco or alcohol.  Hard drugs, I'm on the fence on that one because they CAN take someone and grind them down until there's nothing left.  But throwing them in a cage for a time isn't helping them.
 
2013-09-26 10:55:56 AM  
We've had something similar in Seattle for a while, except in this case it's an additive to cocaine that rots your skin off.
 
2013-09-26 10:56:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: mike_d85: I understand what you're saying, but consider those two things together. You want to make the drugs available, but tell everyone that it's unacceptable.

We have that, it's called Methadone

So how do you explain the Krok market then?


To acquire Methadone legally, you have to provide your name, address, etc., etc.  Drug addicts generally don't want people to know they are on drugs.  Also, I'm pretty sure methadone has a price.  I don't know what it is (other than charges for rehab generally), but it's probably more than the stuff that rots your flesh off.
 
2013-09-26 10:58:23 AM  

GonzoNihilist: 84Charlie: gu1tarjohn: Thanks, Monsanto.

Not Monsanto's fault on this one, dumbass.

Ya really.  It's clearly Obama's fault.


Nah, I will place the blame on an old school enemy, the f-ing Russians. Only in that f-ed up country is regular heroin not good enough for them even though they are withing spitting distance of Afghanistan.
 
2013-09-26 10:58:37 AM  

nekom: Shadow Blasko:
/Won't be long until every substance that can be used to make it will be illegal, possibly including bottled water.

Not "illegal" per se, but on what they call the DEA "snitch list", making it hard to get in any quantity unless you have a legitimate use for it.  That's why we have to have our ID's scanned to buy cold medicine.


This nonsense blows my mind. I go buy some Claritin D and they scan my ID and record a bunch of shiat. I get my percocet prescription filled and they just look at the ID to make sure the name matches the prescription label.
 
2013-09-26 10:58:43 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.


Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?
 
2013-09-26 11:00:24 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Wouldn't it be called Alligator if it was in the US?


Alligator MAX XL Turbo!!!!

/maybe add a few 'void where prohibited' disclaimers though
 
2013-09-26 11:00:38 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: I was wondering when/if that was going to make it to the US.


It won't, we have Meth.  This is the shiat-drug for when you can't get good stuff, it's made in Russia because Codeine's more available there, but in the states if you can get that volume of codeine you can get the chems you need for meth easier, and while meth is an upper instead of a downer, At the point you are using krokodil you are most likely just desperate for ANYTHING to make the pain go away.
 
2013-09-26 11:01:44 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Wouldn't it be called Alligator if it was in the US?


Except in the desert southwest, where it would be Gila monster.
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-26 11:01:59 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Wouldn't it be called Alligator if it was in the US?


Or Caimenol.
 
2013-09-26 11:03:25 AM  
WTF? Were they doing it for the thrill?

Codeine being scrip only here should prevent this from ever going mainstream. It's what you do if you can't get anything else. It's not the kind of thing you go out of your way to do.
 
2013-09-26 11:04:19 AM  
Addicts gonna addict.  Decriminalization and medical management of addiction wouldn't likely reduce the number of addicts but it would take most of the money out of the drug business.  If a day's worth of heroin was $5 you wouldn't see people stabbed for it, nor drug lords buying police, or dealers shooting up rivals.
 
2013-09-26 11:05:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Our government has driven the price of heroin up so high that addicts are willing to take this poison.


Good
 
2013-09-26 11:05:35 AM  

QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?

/DNRTFA


Chemistry.  Same reason sodium bicarb is added to cocaine to make crack, only sodium bicarb (baking soda) is a little more innocuous than gasoline.
 
2013-09-26 11:05:41 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?


You shouldn't make fun of people who are XCVIII.
 
2013-09-26 11:08:17 AM  
This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?
 
2013-09-26 11:09:28 AM  
I'm waiting for a variant of this that causes the iteys like the "bath salts" do

then the next variant should make sure that the drug is present in the biters saliva so the bitten crave that shiat too

then we have our zombie Apocalypse
 
2013-09-26 11:09:29 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin?  Are they talking about the effects?  Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.

QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?


I remember reading an article in National Geographic once about cocaine and they used some interesting ingredients out in Columbia in order to make it.  Stuff like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, gasoline, ammonia, etc.  Meth manufacturing uses some crazy stuff as well.
Of course, the professionals use better methods to reduce the impurities, but even in a purer state, those drugs will still fark your body up.
 
2013-09-26 11:10:23 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?


Wrong side of 50.
 
2013-09-26 11:10:27 AM  
At least with Krokodil there are no long term addicts. It pretty much kills everyone who uses it regularly within three or four years.

Or at least leaves them potato with all their limbs rotted off.
 
2013-09-26 11:11:59 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Snarfangel: QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug?

How else are you going to get your skin to turn green and fall off?

I don't know.... I've never really had the desire to do that. Darker brown is the only color change I like, and I like my skin precisely where it is.


It maintains "kick" while diluting (and increasing the profit margins of) your supply of the (semi) pure drug you started with.  People get high off of huffing paint thinner and gasoline fumes, but they don't have to pay a dealer extra cash for that.
 
2013-09-26 11:13:41 AM  

FarkinNortherner: Where's Walter White when you need him?

Also, old news is old.


Dead if we are lucky. Arrested and getting cancer treatment on the governments dime if we are not.
 
2013-09-26 11:14:11 AM  
Seriously, people know exactly what this drug does, what is in it, and what will happen if they use it.

It's just assisted suicide.
 
2013-09-26 11:14:44 AM  
DNRTFA - ObamaCare?

(reds article)

Yep
 
2013-09-26 11:17:42 AM  
They need to get Smilin' Bob to sell this as a natural male enhancement supplement so all the idiots who are stupid enough to be taken in by that scam get darwined too.
 
2013-09-26 11:18:28 AM  

namegoeshere: WTF? Were they doing it for the thrill?

Codeine being scrip only here should prevent this from ever going mainstream. It's what you do if you can't get anything else. It's not the kind of thing you go out of your way to do.


That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.
 
2013-09-26 11:20:45 AM  
Anyone crazy enough to shoot krokodil deserves the slow, excruciating death they are virtually guaranteed to get. That is the worst shiat in the world.
 
2013-09-26 11:21:49 AM  

xalres: That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.


Awesome way to get rid of junkies.
 
2013-09-26 11:22:24 AM  
Dear stupid kids;

If you're going to mix your own bootleg drugs instead of buying them from a dealer as an end-product, please pay attention to your bloody high-school chemistry lab, specifically how to wash substances and what polar/nonpolar solvents are biocompatible.

For chrissake, if you can dissovle something in gasoline you can probably dissolve it in ethanol, possibly with similar chemical effects.

Sincerely,
A guy whose flesh isn't dissolving because he injected farking gasoline
 
2013-09-26 11:22:31 AM  

R.A.Danny: Seriously, people know exactly what this drug does, what is in it, and what will happen if they use it.

It's just assisted suicide.


People think they can be moderate in their use. People do not have a good sense of what it means to be addicted. When it screws up your dopamine uptake and you end up literally being unable to be happy unless you take the drug, it rapidly becomes no longer your choice. Your biology overwhelms your cognitive abilities and you become trapped, unable to stop, because your body is running the show. You may as well say you can stop your heartbeat with mere willpower.

/Just studied this in grad school
 
2013-09-26 11:22:50 AM  

Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?


You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.
 
2013-09-26 11:23:31 AM  

schubie: When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.


You know, he's right.

I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.
 
2013-09-26 11:24:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.
 
2013-09-26 11:24:30 AM  

TheBigJerk: QueenMamaBee: Snarfangel: QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug?

How else are you going to get your skin to turn green and fall off?

I don't know.... I've never really had the desire to do that. Darker brown is the only color change I like, and I like my skin precisely where it is.

It maintains "kick" while diluting (and increasing the profit margins of) your supply of the (semi) pure drug you started with.  People get high off of huffing paint thinner and gasoline fumes, but they don't have to pay a dealer extra cash for that.


Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
 
2013-09-26 11:25:12 AM  

xalres: namegoeshere: WTF? Were they doing it for the thrill?

Codeine being scrip only here should prevent this from ever going mainstream. It's what you do if you can't get anything else. It's not the kind of thing you go out of your way to do.

That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.


As I understand it, the rotting limbs are less from the drug than sloppiness in making it. Kind of like how Absinthe used to get you high. Only rather than Absinthe being something you want to get drunk and the high was an "unintentional" side-effect, Krokodil is meant to get you high and the gangrene is really an unintentional side-effect.

If Walter White made Krokodil, this wouldn't be a problem.
 
2013-09-26 11:25:48 AM  
New? This is like the millionth time in the last few years I've read about this stuff.
 
2013-09-26 11:26:09 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


Or alcohol. I used to work in the ER and I've seen some bad DTs from people trying to sober up on their own. "Liking" alcohol and "being addicted" to alcohol are not remotely the same thing.
 
2013-09-26 11:26:31 AM  

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Why? Alcohol is way more destructive than heroin or cocaine yet people still function on it. Mainly because the most down on his luck alky can recycle some cans or panhandle a few bucks and get his fix. He's not robbing, carjacking, burglarizing, stealing or prostituting to support his destructive and ultimately lethal habit.

Liquor store owners aren't recruiting children to act as lookouts and murdering other store owners and those caught in the crossfire over turf. Neighborhoods aren't blighted by the crimes associated with the users and purveyors of booze making it so the only way to find a job is to sell alcohol or your body to score some booze. Instead, the users can get farked up and then go to work because they don't have a habit that costs 150 dollars a day. Crime plummets, neighborhoods thrive, families heal and life is good. But you're right, that's stupid.
 
2013-09-26 11:30:05 AM  

Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?


That was true for me with LSD, 'shrooms, and weed. I quit all of them on the same day, cold-turkey. Pretty much craved them like I crave a bowl of ice-cream: I can do without. But it'd be nice to have some.

But chemical addiction is something neither of us has experienced. Maybe we're lucky. But I sure as hell don't extrapolate my experiences to others. Drugs can be lovely things for some people and nightmares for others. It's all about body chemistry, and pretending your willpower is just so awesome is a good way to screw yourself over.

Somewhere out there, a Thunderpipes said, "Sure, I never had a problem not drinking. Pass the Krokodil," and soon became the object of your scorn.
 
2013-09-26 11:30:05 AM  

R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.


Look, nobody is arguing that any junkie out there is somehow unaware that they are slowly (or quickly) killing themselves.  But honestly, do you think a lot of junkies started from where they are now?  It takes a lot of time to go from smoking heroin with some weed once or twice at a party to selling your body to get enough heroin to get through the day without getting sick.  I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves, but have a little empathy.  Some of them CAN be saved, if public policy treats this as a public health crisis rather than a criminal affair.
 
2013-09-26 11:30:14 AM  

Headso: FrancoFile: We should be distributing Prozac and Zoloft for free.

we do, it's in every fresh body of water.



That's depressing.
 
2013-09-26 11:32:58 AM  

schubie: b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.

Why? Alcohol is way more destructive than heroin or cocaine yet people still function on it. Mainly because the most down on his luck alky can recycle some cans or panhandle a few bucks and get his fix. He's not robbing, carjacking, burglarizing, stealing or prostituting to support his destructive and ultimately lethal habit.

Liquor store owners aren't recruiting children to act as lookouts and murdering other store owners and those caught in the crossfire over turf. Neighborhoods aren't blighted by the crimes associated with the users and purveyors of booze making it so the only way to find a job is to sell alcohol or your body to score some booze. Instead, the users can get farked up and then go to work because they don't have a habit that costs 150 dollars a day. Crime plummets, neighborhoods thrive, families heal and life is good. But you're right, that's stupid.


Prices will plummet, usage will go up, and what that does to crime is unclear. Crime may decrease from the lower prices but there will be an upward pressure due to more addicts. Odds are, crime will drop more, especially drug turf wars, which account for the plurality of murders in the US, dropping our firearms homicides far faster than an assault weapons ban.
 
2013-09-26 11:34:23 AM  

nekom: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.

Look, nobody is arguing that any junkie out there is somehow unaware that they are slowly (or quickly) killing themselves.  But honestly, do you think a lot of junkies started from where they are now?  It takes a lot of time to go from smoking heroin with some weed once or twice at a party to selling your body to get enough heroin to get through the day without getting sick.  I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves, but have a little empathy.  Some of them CAN be saved, if public policy treats this as a public health crisis rather than a criminal affair.


xcannabis.com
 
2013-09-26 11:34:53 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


...or alcohol, the withdrawals from which can actually kill you. Sounds like he gave up social drinking and thinks he "beat alcoholism", so anybody should be able to kick anything by "just not doing it". I get it. I quit smoking by just quitting smoking cold turkey. I realize that it's not that easy for everybody though.
 
2013-09-26 11:36:03 AM  
/oblig and not even remotely safe for work.

Siberia: Korodil Tears
 
2013-09-26 11:42:46 AM  
img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk
 
2013-09-26 11:44:36 AM  
It looks like the zombie apocalypse is going to happen after all.
 
2013-09-26 11:55:44 AM  
I was told by the internet that we made weed legal, no one would do dangerous drugs. But then those other people were told the we just made alcohol legal again no one would want to smoke weed.
 
2013-09-26 11:57:12 AM  
If you value the last thing you ate, do NOT GIS "krokodil".
 
2013-09-26 11:59:45 AM  

jaybeezey: I was told by the internet that we made weed legal, no one would do dangerous drugs. But then those other people were told the we just made alcohol legal again no one would want to smoke weed.


This.
There are plenty of people who drink a lot - to the point that I'd call them functional alcoholics - who don't need to get loaded before they go to work.
But I've worked with 2 marijuana smokers who needed to toke up on the way in to their shift at the grocery store if they were going to have a chance of making it through the day.  Both got fired for it, of course.
 
2013-09-26 12:01:53 PM  

buckler: If you value the last thing you ate, do NOT GIS "krokodil".


Are you kidding. Makes me want a hamburger.
 
2013-09-26 12:02:19 PM  

R.A.Danny: xalres: That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.

Awesome way to get rid of junkies.


But Obamacare.
 
2013-09-26 12:15:36 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?

Wrong side of 50.


Huh, whoda thunk it.   I'd never guess rom your posts.
 
2013-09-26 12:26:35 PM  
I remember watching the Vice documentary on this a long time ago.  You would think watching that would be enough to convince you this drug is a bad idea.  We've got plenty of other stuff you can get high with that won't rot your skin off, literally pick almost any other drug and you're going to be better off.  There is no way that whatever high you get from that is worth that much damage.  Even if you don't give a shiat about yourselves, there's way less painful and more fun ways to die.
 
2013-09-26 12:39:45 PM  

hardinparamedic: Wow. Krokodill in the United States?

I was always laboring under the impression that the reason people used that was because A) Codiene and it's other precursers are OTC in Europe, and B) They can't afford anything else.


Codeine is OTC in Canada too yet we don't see this stuff anywhere.

/knows some councelors and rehab workers by proxy
 
2013-09-26 12:44:29 PM  

mike_d85: FTFA: "users mix codeine with gasoline, paint thinner, iodine, hydrochloric acid and red phosphorous"

People INJECT this?  WTF is wrong with these people?  Addition doesn't explain it, just snort/shoot/eat the codine.  WTF are you doing adding paint thinner and gas to ANYTHING you inject?

/I did the google image search, gross
//thought this was an urban legend in the early 2000s


That was my thought. I'd try to knock off a pharmacy before messing around with this stuff. Doesn't even seem like that would increase any narcotic effect. People this far gone, idk, let 'em go, cause their gone.
 
2013-09-26 12:44:42 PM  
Sounds like some Killer Croc.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-26 12:44:56 PM  

vygramul: schubie: b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.

Why? Alcohol is way more destructive than heroin or cocaine yet people still function on it. Mainly because the most down on his luck alky can recycle some cans or panhandle a few bucks and get his fix. He's not robbing, carjacking, burglarizing, stealing or prostituting to support his destructive and ultimately lethal habit.

Liquor store owners aren't recruiting children to act as lookouts and murdering other store owners and those caught in the crossfire over turf. Neighborhoods aren't blighted by the crimes associated with the users and purveyors of booze making it so the only way to find a job is to sell alcohol or your body to score some booze. Instead, the users can get farked up and then go to work because they don't have a habit that costs 150 dollars a day. Crime plummets, neighborhoods thrive, families heal and life is good. But you're right, that's stupid.

Prices will plummet, usage will go up, and what that does to crime is unclear. Crime may decrease from the lower prices but there will be an upward pressure due to more addicts. Odds are, crime will drop more, especially drug turf wars, which account for the plurality of murders in the US, dropping our firearms homicides far faster than an assault weapons ban.



I really don't think that most people's choice to NOT do heroin is based on "I can't afford it".

I believe the number of addicts would probably stay near the same....but the $ freed up from the prison system having fewer inmates could go to helping people at treatment facilities.  Some of those people might be able to recover and give back to society, recouping some of that tax money.  As it is now we lock 'em up and pay for it with our taxes while they learn how to be a better criminal, continue drug use once released, get locked up again and repeat cycle until they are finally locked up for good on our dime or die.

People are going to make the decision to use (or not) regardless of the legality.

/been there
//one of the minority who make it out alive and no worse for wear
 
2013-09-26 12:49:21 PM  
Looks like Huey Lewis got more than he bargained for.
 
2013-09-26 12:50:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


Seriously.  Thunderpipes, you do know that a bad alcoholic will die from withdrawal?

grand mal seizures are TONS of fun, lemme tell ya!
 
2013-09-26 12:52:06 PM  
The good thing about Krokodil is that you don't stay addicted to it for very long.
 
2013-09-26 12:55:08 PM  

bugmn99: I hope someone's giving these folks clean needles.


There are a ton of pharmacies that won't let you buy needles without proof of an insulin prescription.

Because that will fix SO MANY problems.
 
2013-09-26 12:56:01 PM  

2KanZam: I really don't think that most people's choice to NOT do heroin is based on "I can't afford it".


Basic economics suggests people are more willing try something the cheaper it is.
 
2013-09-26 01:11:10 PM  

Feel_the_velvet: ...there's a fun new drug on the streets that not only gets you high but also causes your skin to rot away
Wait, what's the catch?


I go to great lengths to find drugs that make me think my skin is rotting away.

But, taking drugs that actually make it happen--those people are idiots!
 
2013-09-26 01:15:25 PM  

eyeq360: I remember reading an article in National Geographic once about cocaine and they used some interesting ingredients out in Columbia in order to make it.  Stuff like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, gasoline, ammonia, etc.  Meth manufacturing uses some crazy stuff as well.
Of course, the professionals use better methods to reduce the impurities, but even in a purer state, those drugs will still fark your body up.


Sort of.  You dont "make" cocaine, you extract it.  It grows naturally just the same as weed (and morphine and codeine)... but its not highly concentrated enough to fark you up just using the leaves.  So they use a chemical solvent that cocaine will dissolve into, while leaving the rest of the plant behind.  usually the cheapest and easiest thing around is kerosene, so thats what they use.  Petroleum distillates are popular because they evaporate quickly and easily.  They crush the leaves into a giant pit, fill it with kerosene, soak the cocaine out, then remove the kerosene and evaporate it.  Whats left behind is the cocaine powder.

Now, cocaine in its natural form is not a salt.. its basically an oil.  So you acidify it with the hydrochloric acid, which crystalizes it into a salt that you can transport and snort.

/brb knock at the door...
 
2013-09-26 01:21:52 PM  

GameSprocket: That mixture is then injected into a vein, potentially causing an addict's skin to greenish, scaly and eventually rot away.

The whole thing?


But only accidentally...

Seriously, though, this shiat is beyond terrifying.  Garden variety heroin can be so nasty it sounds like a horror movie plot device.  Adding necrotizing fasciitis to it is just I don't know what.
 
2013-09-26 01:24:25 PM  

nekom: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.

Look, nobody is arguing that any junkie out there is somehow unaware that they are slowly (or quickly) killing themselves.  But honestly, do you think a lot of junkies started from where they are now?  It takes a lot of time to go from smoking heroin with some weed once or twice at a party to selling your body to get enough heroin to get through the day without getting sick.  I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves, but have a little empathy.  Some of them CAN be saved, if public policy treats this as a public health crisis rather than a criminal affair.


You can buy weed with heroin in it?

When the hell did this happen?

And why does no one ever tell me anything?

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?

Wrong side of 50.

Huh, whoda thunk it.   I'd never guess rom your posts.


That's the nicest thing a Farker has ever said to me.
 
2013-09-26 01:28:32 PM  

ows: obamacare skin graphs for everyone. come one come all.


Skin graph

i304.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-26 01:33:51 PM  
Legalizing drugs *might* lead to a few more junkies. A very small price to pay for near total urban/rural renewal. And Marcus Aurelius, my grandma drank as a young flapper but I think I saw her drink a total of a glass of sherry spread out over a decade's worth of major holidays.
 
2013-09-26 01:38:33 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Drug users need treatment, and hard drugs need to be made socially unacceptable.  We can't do that in a climate of prohibition.

Bah..lost the whole post I'd written due to an unfortunate case of Mac touchpad gestures.

Summary: I agree with almost all of your post.

I've been working around addicts for some time. If they had been charged with a crime, the great majority of the time it was in relation to either financially maintaining their supply, or addressing a deficit of supply. Very few serious crimes were committed while intoxicated.

The extremely rare violent crime was most often done in the throes of withdrawal, not while intoxicated.

Addressing the supply is very important issue that is extremely difficult to speak about in our culture of intolerance and prohibition. Effective therapy and social ostracization cannot co-exist, primarily because the taboo against hard drug usage prohibits clear, rational discourse and lends itself towards destructive stereotyping. Methadone and suboxone are available, but at significant social costs due to the very design of the programs. Current therapy models are built atop the stereotype of the unproductive, destructive addict and are treated as such, either at the clinics themselves, or by employers/potential employers.

The social stigma of being 'in recovery' is almost as bad as being an addict. Often, it is worse - the rules and rigors of current opiate therapy almost necessitate disclosure to one's social group, including employers, wherein an active addict can and is extremely proficient at hiding their habit. This is the most important issue facing current therapy techniques - in order to stop, one must out oneself as a user, and that outing does not remain compartmentalized within the therapy setting. It leaks into the rest of one's social construct. Consider that in the context of whatever hidden vice(s) you may possess. 50 years ago, things like depression, suicidal ideation and homosexuality had the same stigma. Admit any of those things, and one's entire social circle faced collapse. So, we end up with an terrible choice a.) continue feeling good and maintain social bonds, or b.) stop feeling good and risk breaking everything.

When high, however, these addicts went to work, went to school, made art, built businesses - not only were they productive, but more productive than most. The times when productivity dived - lethargy, days off work, firings and the subsequent financial devastation that occurs with a habit and no income - were generally related to a lack of supply, rather than a surplus. These people didn't get farked up and go watch TV or abuse kittens, the took their drugs and marched on the world.

I'm speaking purely of the non-criminal minded addict, which includes addicts who committed crimes in service to their addiction. I'm not speaking of the criminal mind who became an addict. I don't deal with that demographic. The nuance is subtle, but one that is lost on most of the staunch anti-drug crowd. There gulf between the two groups is enormous.

/I don't imagine I've changed your mind, but I hope I've compelled you to reconsider your position.

//I think most of the anti-drug crowd would shiat their pants if they understood how many of their idols, leaders, mentors, bosses, teachers, co-workers, friends and family are/were functional opiate addicts.
 
2013-09-26 01:39:42 PM  

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Not quite as stupid as the thought process behind your post, however.
 
2013-09-26 01:44:11 PM  
Well I'm going to go throw up now. Thanks fark!
 
2013-09-26 01:45:21 PM  

eyeq360: Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin?  Are they talking about the effects?  Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.
QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?

I remember reading an article in National Geographic once about cocaine and they used some interesting ingredients out in Columbia in order to make it.  Stuff like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, gasoline, ammonia, etc.  Meth manufacturing uses some crazy stuff as well.
Of course, the professionals use better methods to reduce the impurities, but even in a purer state, those drugs will still fark your body up.


Everything manufactured chemical uses some crazy, destructive stuff as part of the process. Not to harp on you alone, but I really hate this basic misunderstanding of chemistry.
 
2013-09-26 01:49:51 PM  
'guaranteed to become a club drug' wtf??

This hardly sounds like a good time, put your gladrags on, kinda drug. More a limping around, sheddin' your skin kinda deal.

No-ones standing in a queue outside a bar for an hour for that.
 
2013-09-26 01:57:14 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:
You can buy weed with heroin in it?

When the hell did this happen?


That's not what I meant.  I mean that someone who smokes weed and decides to try heroin, my logical guess would be they'd put some on top of a bowl and smoke it.  I mean, that's what I'd do if I ever wanted to try heroin (I don't).
 
2013-09-26 02:05:40 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: nekom: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.

Look, nobody is arguing that any junkie out there is somehow unaware that they are slowly (or quickly) killing themselves.  But honestly, do you think a lot of junkies started from where they are now?  It takes a lot of time to go from smoking heroin with some weed once or twice at a party to selling your body to get enough heroin to get through the day without getting sick.  I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves, but have a little empathy.  Some of them CAN be saved, if public policy treats this as a public health crisis rather than a criminal affair.

You can buy weed with heroin in it?

When the hell did this happen?

And why does no one ever tell me anything?
Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?

Wrong side of 50.

Huh, whoda thunk it.   I'd never guess rom your posts.

That's the nicest thing a Farker has ever said to me.


Yeah, they can be sort of a tough crowd sometimes...
 
2013-09-26 02:09:34 PM  
Sword and Shield
I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.


I agree that far too often people who really need pain relief are hurt by overzealous drug laws, but aren't there some viable alternatives to vicodin or other meds with ibu/acetaminophen? As I'm sure you know, codeine by itself, oxycodone, tapentadol, et al. are schedule II drugs. That means controls are strict, frequent doctor visits are required, and drug testing is standard, but they can be prescribed. Why can't arrangements be made for a 70 yr old vet with severe pain to get them?
 
2013-09-26 02:26:51 PM  

vygramul: 2KanZam: I really don't think that most people's choice to NOT do heroin is based on "I can't afford it".

Basic economics suggests people are more willing try something the cheaper it is.



So when heroin is $5 a gram, will you start using?  Or if you are already are a user, how many non-users do you know that keep asking you if the "prices have come down yet"?

I know the next time I get a raise my first thought will be...well at least now I can AFFORD a heroin habit!
 
2013-09-26 02:29:32 PM  

patrick767: Sword and Shield
I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.

I agree that far too often people who really need pain relief are hurt by overzealous drug laws, but aren't there some viable alternatives to vicodin or other meds with ibu/acetaminophen? As I'm sure you know, codeine by itself, oxycodone, tapentadol, et al. are schedule II drugs. That means controls are strict, frequent doctor visits are required, and drug testing is standard, but they can be prescribed. Why can't arrangements be made for a 70 yr old vet with severe pain to get them?


Why can't you prescribe him morphine sulphate pills, Opana, Oxycontin, Fentanyl patches, etc? Have the laws become so strict that it's a liability?
 
2013-09-26 02:37:34 PM  

psychopathic tendencies: eyeq360: Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin?  Are they talking about the effects?  Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.
QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?

I remember reading an article in National Geographic once about cocaine and they used some interesting ingredients out in Columbia in order to make it.  Stuff like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, gasoline, ammonia, etc.  Meth manufacturing uses some crazy stuff as well.
Of course, the professionals use better methods to reduce the impurities, but even in a purer state, those drugs will still fark your body up.

Everything manufactured chemical uses some crazy, destructive stuff as part of the process. Not to harp on you alone, but I really hate this basic misunderstanding of chemistry.


I was doing a terrible job in explaining that drugs like krokodil or heroin or whatever the drug of choice these days uses things in the manufacturing/extracting process that we might find unpleasant.  I was using illegal drugs as an example, as some Farkers were wondering why would there be gasoline in krokodil.
Oh and I am well acquainted with the fact that even the chemicals that the FDA/USDA/etc. generally regard as safe for human consumption use processes and chemicals that are crazy and destructive.  I've known some people who work for the USDA and for pharmaceuticals.
 
2013-09-26 02:42:36 PM  
That creeps me the fark out.  I'm a mild painkiller user (about 100mg a week), but I also pay for my house, my 2 cars, and my bills are paid.  I mainly pop em when watching football or playing video games.  I don't drink much and I don't care for weed.  So the thought of injecting poison like Heroin or this Krokodil stuff just makes me shiver.  Disgusting stuff.
 
2013-09-26 02:54:13 PM  

Dog Welder: "New to the U.S." might have been more accurate, but this is Fox News we're talking about.



RTFA
 
2013-09-26 03:02:33 PM  

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Legalizing drugs caused usage to drop dramatically as people were able to see treatment without fear of legal repercussions.



Evaluating Drug Decriminalization in Portugal 12 Years Later - SPIEGEL ONLINE
 
2013-09-26 03:04:10 PM  
It's not the desomorphine that causes the Krokodil effects, is all the crap that doesn't get purified out by the shake-and-bake Krokodil makers.

Cheap street shiat has always done stuff like that.
 
2013-09-26 03:33:17 PM  

buckler: If you value the last thing you ate, do NOT GIS "krokodil".


Dang, you weren't kidding.
 
2013-09-26 03:52:39 PM  

2KanZam: vygramul: 2KanZam: I really don't think that most people's choice to NOT do heroin is based on "I can't afford it".

Basic economics suggests people are more willing try something the cheaper it is.


So when heroin is $5 a gram, will you start using?  Or if you are already are a user, how many non-users do you know that keep asking you if the "prices have come down yet"?

I know the next time I get a raise my first thought will be...well at least now I can AFFORD a heroin habit!


If chocolate-covered ants drop to $0.01 each, I still ain't gettin' one. But others might.

Demand might not be very elastic, but economics states there are drug users who don't try because it's expensive.
 
2013-09-26 03:56:43 PM  

vygramul: 2KanZam: vygramul: 2KanZam: I really don't think that most people's choice to NOT do heroin is based on "I can't afford it".

Basic economics suggests people are more willing try something the cheaper it is.


So when heroin is $5 a gram, will you start using?  Or if you are already are a user, how many non-users do you know that keep asking you if the "prices have come down yet"?

I know the next time I get a raise my first thought will be...well at least now I can AFFORD a heroin habit!

If chocolate-covered ants drop to $0.01 each, I still ain't gettin' one. But others might.

Demand might not be very elastic, but economics states there are drug users who don't try because it's expensive.


That's why the first hit is always free.
 
2013-09-26 04:06:50 PM  

xalres: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

...or alcohol, the withdrawals from which can actually kill you. Sounds like he gave up social drinking and thinks he "beat alcoholism", so anybody should be able to kick anything by "just not doing it". I get it. I quit smoking by just quitting smoking cold turkey. I realize that it's not that easy for everybody though.


I drank more than anyone you have ever known. Difference is, I deal with the night sweats and the shakes and stop. Make no mistake, addiction is nothing but people being weak.
 
2013-09-26 04:21:56 PM  

Thunderpipes: xalres: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

...or alcohol, the withdrawals from which can actually kill you. Sounds like he gave up social drinking and thinks he "beat alcoholism", so anybody should be able to kick anything by "just not doing it". I get it. I quit smoking by just quitting smoking cold turkey. I realize that it's not that easy for everybody though.

I drank more than anyone you have ever known. Difference is, I deal with the night sweats and the shakes and stop. Make no mistake, addiction is nothing but people being weak.


I spent a lot of time with that in the hospital when dealing with other issues.. It's not a character flaw; much of it is genetic.
 
2013-09-26 04:51:29 PM  

hardinparamedic: buckler: If you value the last thing you ate, do NOT GIS "krokodil".

Are you kidding. Makes me want a hamburger.


My Whopper....

You owe me a new keyboard. And screen.

And a Whopper.
 
2013-09-26 04:58:01 PM  

heliotrope: 'guaranteed to become a club drug' wtf??

This hardly sounds like a good time, put your gladrags on, kinda drug. More a limping around, sheddin' your skin kinda deal.

No-ones standing in a queue outside a bar for an hour for that.


It said guaranteed NOT to become a club drug.
 
2013-09-26 05:07:55 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Wouldn't it be called Alligator if it was in the US?


I would call it Interior Crocodile Alligator
 
2013-09-26 05:11:49 PM  

Sword and Shield: schubie: When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

You know, he's right.

I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.


You're a doctor and don't know about Norco? They make and sell hydrocodone without the acetaminophen.
 
2013-09-26 05:16:27 PM  

Thunderpipes: xalres: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

...or alcohol, the withdrawals from which can actually kill you. Sounds like he gave up social drinking and thinks he "beat alcoholism", so anybody should be able to kick anything by "just not doing it". I get it. I quit smoking by just quitting smoking cold turkey. I realize that it's not that easy for everybody though.

I drank more than anyone you have ever known. Difference is, I deal with the night sweats and the shakes and stop. Make no mistake, addiction is nothing but people being weak.


It's amazing that someone can speak from experience and at the same time have no idea what they're talking about.
 
2013-09-26 05:17:22 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Sword and Shield: schubie: When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

You know, he's right.

I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.

You're a doctor and don't know about Norco? They make and sell hydrocodone without the acetaminophen.


I suppose I came off a bit snippier than intended. Sorry.

I was prescribed generic norco tabs 10mg hydrocodone no acetaminophen a long while back (2003.) I thought they were pretty common as they were suggested to me when I was having issues with the overload of acetaminophen. Rite Aid filled the script without having to order it or anything.
 
2013-09-26 07:22:37 PM  

ReverendJynxed: ReverendJynxed: Sword and Shield: schubie: When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

You know, he's right.

I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.

You're a doctor and don't know about Norco? They make and sell hydrocodone without the acetaminophen.

I suppose I came off a bit snippier than intended. Sorry.

I was prescribed generic norco tabs 10mg hydrocodone no acetaminophen a long while back (2003.) I thought they were pretty common as they were suggested to me when I was having issues with the overload of acetaminophen. Rite Aid filled the script without having to order it or anything.


Oh, believe me. I know Norco. Problem is, none of the pharmacies here stock it, only Vicodin or Percocet. The VA in particular won't. As for opana, straight MS and fentanyl, those are equally a pain in the ass. Possible but most insurance won't cover it.
 
2013-09-26 08:01:39 PM  

psychopathic tendencies: Addressing the supply is very important issue that is extremely difficult to speak about in our culture of intolerance and prohibition


I had an older stepbrother that passed away a few years ago from hard core drug abuse.  He was very partial to PCP and heroin.  He would crawl through a minefield to get either one.  There was simply nothing you could do to dissuade him from his pursuit it.  It was all consuming to him.  It finally consumed him completely.

The addict is the problem.  Without the addict, opiates are just another medicine in the cabinet.
 
2013-09-26 08:27:18 PM  
Call me a little suspicious.  "Krokodil" is also the name of a Russian adult humor magazine.  Think "The Onion" blended with "National Lampoon".  After the Soviet Union collapsed they just went nuts.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-26 08:38:46 PM  

nekom: Marcus Aurelius:
You can buy weed with heroin in it?

When the hell did this happen?

That's not what I meant.  I mean that someone who smokes weed and decides to try heroin, my logical guess would be they'd put some on top of a bowl and smoke it.  I mean, that's what I'd do if I ever wanted to try heroin (I don't).


The drug business is surprising when you tear it apart.  Pot dealers will dabble in hallucinogens, but nothing else.  I mean nothing else.

Coke dealers deal coke.  End of story.

Heroin dealers deal heroin.  End of story.
 
2013-09-26 09:05:08 PM  
Crocodile finally is hitting the United States.

I understood that it is mostly for down and out heroin users, so don't expect people to jump from mary jane to crocodile.
 
2013-09-26 09:29:13 PM  

ginkor: Call me a little suspicious.  "Krokodil" is also the name of a Russian adult humor magazine.  Think "The Onion" blended with "National Lampoon".  After the Soviet Union collapsed they just went nuts.

[i.imgur.com image 300x299]


Seconded. I've been suspicious since I first heard about it, not for the reasons you are (though I"ll certainly look in to your info), but because its so anti-drug extreme. A guy let his leg rot from krokodil, then he and a friend sawed off his leg at the exposed bone?? Bull - shiat.

Also, the doctor in the article strikes me as suspiciously convenient in his phrasing. I'm not sure why, but alarms are sounding.
 
2013-09-26 09:41:06 PM  
The reason it is so popular in Russia is that Codeine is available OTC there. In the US, it is not obviously, so it is harder to get. It is probably just as easy to get heroin as it is Codeine, so I doubt it'll ever take off huge here.
 
2013-09-27 12:38:58 AM  
Maybe if the brought back Zima, kids wouldn't have to find new outlets.
 
2013-09-27 01:42:28 AM  
So we decided to try a new drug
Because the typical is not enough

Something went wrong...

http://youtu.be/pwsAnld0tgY
 
2013-09-27 02:27:51 AM  

outtatowner: hardinparamedic: Wow. Krokodill in the United States?

I was always laboring under the impression that the reason people used that was because A) Codiene and it's other precursers are OTC in Europe, and B) They can't afford anything else.

Codeine is OTC in Canada too yet we don't see this stuff anywhere.

/knows some councelors and rehab workers by proxy


Like many people here I watched the (scary) Vice doc on krokodil a few years ago.  As I recall from the doc it is made using pure codeine tablets (no aspirin, acetaminophen, or caffeine), which are apparently available OTC in Russia.

In Canada only codeine plus either aspirin and caffeine or acetaminophen and caffeine are available OTC, so there would be extra processing steps (not that it's stopped determined chemists before, though - hence meth) - or the final product here would *also* have aspirin or acetaminophen in it, which would do even more damage.

This of course begs the question - what are they making the US krokodil out of, since (it's my understanding, anyway) no codeine-containing products are available as OTC in the US anymore.

/also Canadian
 
2013-09-27 10:09:00 AM  

nekom: Marcus Aurelius:
The stupidest idea ever was letting our politicians pass laws that made a large percentage of our population into criminals.

And what do these "criminals" do when they get out?  Go right back to the drug, that's what.  I'd much rather see compulsory rehab rather than prison for drug addicts.  Marijuana should be 100% legal, it's less harmful than tobacco or alcohol.  Hard drugs, I'm on the fence on that one because they CAN take someone and grind them down until there's nothing left.  But throwing them in a cage for a time isn't helping them.


I see your point, but, since we can't even keep hard drugs out of maximum security prisons, I think we have to be adults,and realize that the Drugs won the War on Drugs.
 
2013-09-27 10:11:08 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?


Eh, my grandmother passed away last year, at 104...she confirmed that.  Nobody in her social circle drank much besides a glass of wine at dinner, until Prohibition came along.  Then they all started going to speakeasys and getting blitzed on hard liquor at least once a week.
 
2013-09-27 01:59:22 PM  
It's "Breaking Worse!"
Sad, plus totally gross video! - Flesh-eating drug Krokodil makes first U.S. appearance (Video)
http://www.examiner.com/article/flesh-eating-drug-krokodil-makes-fir st -u-s-appearance
 
2013-09-27 04:24:19 PM  
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