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2013-09-26 11:05:35 AM

QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?

/DNRTFA


Chemistry.  Same reason sodium bicarb is added to cocaine to make crack, only sodium bicarb (baking soda) is a little more innocuous than gasoline.
 
2013-09-26 11:05:41 AM

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?


You shouldn't make fun of people who are XCVIII.
 
2013-09-26 11:08:17 AM
This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?
 
2013-09-26 11:09:28 AM
I'm waiting for a variant of this that causes the iteys like the "bath salts" do

then the next variant should make sure that the drug is present in the biters saliva so the bitten crave that shiat too

then we have our zombie Apocalypse
 
2013-09-26 11:09:29 AM

Rapmaster2000: Similar to heroin?  Are they talking about the effects?  Because I don't recally heroin containing gasoline.

QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug? Does it increase the high? Why not just put water in it to stretch it out a bit? Or be a healthy junkie and crush up a Flintstones Vitamin?


I remember reading an article in National Geographic once about cocaine and they used some interesting ingredients out in Columbia in order to make it.  Stuff like hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, gasoline, ammonia, etc.  Meth manufacturing uses some crazy stuff as well.
Of course, the professionals use better methods to reduce the impurities, but even in a purer state, those drugs will still fark your body up.
 
2013-09-26 11:10:23 AM

Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?


Wrong side of 50.
 
2013-09-26 11:10:27 AM
At least with Krokodil there are no long term addicts. It pretty much kills everyone who uses it regularly within three or four years.

Or at least leaves them potato with all their limbs rotted off.
 
2013-09-26 11:11:59 AM

QueenMamaBee: Snarfangel: QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug?

How else are you going to get your skin to turn green and fall off?

I don't know.... I've never really had the desire to do that. Darker brown is the only color change I like, and I like my skin precisely where it is.


It maintains "kick" while diluting (and increasing the profit margins of) your supply of the (semi) pure drug you started with.  People get high off of huffing paint thinner and gasoline fumes, but they don't have to pay a dealer extra cash for that.
 
2013-09-26 11:13:41 AM

FarkinNortherner: Where's Walter White when you need him?

Also, old news is old.


Dead if we are lucky. Arrested and getting cancer treatment on the governments dime if we are not.
 
2013-09-26 11:14:11 AM
Seriously, people know exactly what this drug does, what is in it, and what will happen if they use it.

It's just assisted suicide.
 
2013-09-26 11:14:44 AM
DNRTFA - ObamaCare?

(reds article)

Yep
 
2013-09-26 11:17:42 AM
They need to get Smilin' Bob to sell this as a natural male enhancement supplement so all the idiots who are stupid enough to be taken in by that scam get darwined too.
 
2013-09-26 11:18:28 AM

namegoeshere: WTF? Were they doing it for the thrill?

Codeine being scrip only here should prevent this from ever going mainstream. It's what you do if you can't get anything else. It's not the kind of thing you go out of your way to do.


That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.
 
2013-09-26 11:20:45 AM
Anyone crazy enough to shoot krokodil deserves the slow, excruciating death they are virtually guaranteed to get. That is the worst shiat in the world.
 
2013-09-26 11:21:49 AM

xalres: That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.


Awesome way to get rid of junkies.
 
2013-09-26 11:22:24 AM
Dear stupid kids;

If you're going to mix your own bootleg drugs instead of buying them from a dealer as an end-product, please pay attention to your bloody high-school chemistry lab, specifically how to wash substances and what polar/nonpolar solvents are biocompatible.

For chrissake, if you can dissovle something in gasoline you can probably dissolve it in ethanol, possibly with similar chemical effects.

Sincerely,
A guy whose flesh isn't dissolving because he injected farking gasoline
 
2013-09-26 11:22:31 AM

R.A.Danny: Seriously, people know exactly what this drug does, what is in it, and what will happen if they use it.

It's just assisted suicide.


People think they can be moderate in their use. People do not have a good sense of what it means to be addicted. When it screws up your dopamine uptake and you end up literally being unable to be happy unless you take the drug, it rapidly becomes no longer your choice. Your biology overwhelms your cognitive abilities and you become trapped, unable to stop, because your body is running the show. You may as well say you can stop your heartbeat with mere willpower.

/Just studied this in grad school
 
2013-09-26 11:22:50 AM

Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?


You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.
 
2013-09-26 11:23:31 AM

schubie: When people could just go down to the pharmacy and get an original recipe Coca Cola and little laudenum, nobody was smoking crack and very few were shooting heroin. These drugs exist BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION. There's always more money and less mass to smuggle if it's the hard stuff. During prohibition the gangsters and drinkers were interested in whiskey, gin etc. Not some beer. Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.


You know, he's right.

I'm a doctor. I'd LOVE to be able to give a chronic pain patient something that didn't have ibuprofen or acetaminophen in it- the doses some of my patients need are high enough to be dangerous with those add-ons. The pain is legit- bone cancer, collapsed vertebrae, things like that- but I can't get rid of their pain without toasting their livers.

One patient openly admits he smokes pot and buys morphine on the street since they work for his pain. It's more expensive, but taking 100mg vicodin a day (even 10/325, which is the lowest acetaminophen dose I can get) is still over three grams of tylenol.

A 70 year old Vietnam veteran shouldn't need to buy his pain meds off the street.
 
2013-09-26 11:24:18 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.
 
2013-09-26 11:24:30 AM

TheBigJerk: QueenMamaBee: Snarfangel: QueenMamaBee: What is the point of adding gasoline, paint thinner, etc into the drug?

How else are you going to get your skin to turn green and fall off?

I don't know.... I've never really had the desire to do that. Darker brown is the only color change I like, and I like my skin precisely where it is.

It maintains "kick" while diluting (and increasing the profit margins of) your supply of the (semi) pure drug you started with.  People get high off of huffing paint thinner and gasoline fumes, but they don't have to pay a dealer extra cash for that.


Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
 
2013-09-26 11:25:12 AM

xalres: namegoeshere: WTF? Were they doing it for the thrill?

Codeine being scrip only here should prevent this from ever going mainstream. It's what you do if you can't get anything else. It's not the kind of thing you go out of your way to do.

That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.


As I understand it, the rotting limbs are less from the drug than sloppiness in making it. Kind of like how Absinthe used to get you high. Only rather than Absinthe being something you want to get drunk and the high was an "unintentional" side-effect, Krokodil is meant to get you high and the gangrene is really an unintentional side-effect.

If Walter White made Krokodil, this wouldn't be a problem.
 
2013-09-26 11:25:48 AM
New? This is like the millionth time in the last few years I've read about this stuff.
 
2013-09-26 11:26:09 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


Or alcohol. I used to work in the ER and I've seen some bad DTs from people trying to sober up on their own. "Liking" alcohol and "being addicted" to alcohol are not remotely the same thing.
 
2013-09-26 11:26:31 AM

b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.


Why? Alcohol is way more destructive than heroin or cocaine yet people still function on it. Mainly because the most down on his luck alky can recycle some cans or panhandle a few bucks and get his fix. He's not robbing, carjacking, burglarizing, stealing or prostituting to support his destructive and ultimately lethal habit.

Liquor store owners aren't recruiting children to act as lookouts and murdering other store owners and those caught in the crossfire over turf. Neighborhoods aren't blighted by the crimes associated with the users and purveyors of booze making it so the only way to find a job is to sell alcohol or your body to score some booze. Instead, the users can get farked up and then go to work because they don't have a habit that costs 150 dollars a day. Crime plummets, neighborhoods thrive, families heal and life is good. But you're right, that's stupid.
 
2013-09-26 11:30:05 AM

Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?


That was true for me with LSD, 'shrooms, and weed. I quit all of them on the same day, cold-turkey. Pretty much craved them like I crave a bowl of ice-cream: I can do without. But it'd be nice to have some.

But chemical addiction is something neither of us has experienced. Maybe we're lucky. But I sure as hell don't extrapolate my experiences to others. Drugs can be lovely things for some people and nightmares for others. It's all about body chemistry, and pretending your willpower is just so awesome is a good way to screw yourself over.

Somewhere out there, a Thunderpipes said, "Sure, I never had a problem not drinking. Pass the Krokodil," and soon became the object of your scorn.
 
2013-09-26 11:30:05 AM

R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.


Look, nobody is arguing that any junkie out there is somehow unaware that they are slowly (or quickly) killing themselves.  But honestly, do you think a lot of junkies started from where they are now?  It takes a lot of time to go from smoking heroin with some weed once or twice at a party to selling your body to get enough heroin to get through the day without getting sick.  I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves, but have a little empathy.  Some of them CAN be saved, if public policy treats this as a public health crisis rather than a criminal affair.
 
2013-09-26 11:30:14 AM

Headso: FrancoFile: We should be distributing Prozac and Zoloft for free.

we do, it's in every fresh body of water.



That's depressing.
 
2013-09-26 11:32:58 AM

schubie: b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.

Why? Alcohol is way more destructive than heroin or cocaine yet people still function on it. Mainly because the most down on his luck alky can recycle some cans or panhandle a few bucks and get his fix. He's not robbing, carjacking, burglarizing, stealing or prostituting to support his destructive and ultimately lethal habit.

Liquor store owners aren't recruiting children to act as lookouts and murdering other store owners and those caught in the crossfire over turf. Neighborhoods aren't blighted by the crimes associated with the users and purveyors of booze making it so the only way to find a job is to sell alcohol or your body to score some booze. Instead, the users can get farked up and then go to work because they don't have a habit that costs 150 dollars a day. Crime plummets, neighborhoods thrive, families heal and life is good. But you're right, that's stupid.


Prices will plummet, usage will go up, and what that does to crime is unclear. Crime may decrease from the lower prices but there will be an upward pressure due to more addicts. Odds are, crime will drop more, especially drug turf wars, which account for the plurality of murders in the US, dropping our firearms homicides far faster than an assault weapons ban.
 
2013-09-26 11:34:23 AM

nekom: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.

He's probably too smart to put stuff from unknown strangers in his veins.

Look, nobody is arguing that any junkie out there is somehow unaware that they are slowly (or quickly) killing themselves.  But honestly, do you think a lot of junkies started from where they are now?  It takes a lot of time to go from smoking heroin with some weed once or twice at a party to selling your body to get enough heroin to get through the day without getting sick.  I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves, but have a little empathy.  Some of them CAN be saved, if public policy treats this as a public health crisis rather than a criminal affair.


xcannabis.com
 
2013-09-26 11:34:53 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


...or alcohol, the withdrawals from which can actually kill you. Sounds like he gave up social drinking and thinks he "beat alcoholism", so anybody should be able to kick anything by "just not doing it". I get it. I quit smoking by just quitting smoking cold turkey. I realize that it's not that easy for everybody though.
 
2013-09-26 11:36:03 AM
/oblig and not even remotely safe for work.

Siberia: Korodil Tears
 
2013-09-26 11:42:46 AM
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2013-09-26 11:44:36 AM
It looks like the zombie apocalypse is going to happen after all.
 
2013-09-26 11:55:44 AM
I was told by the internet that we made weed legal, no one would do dangerous drugs. But then those other people were told the we just made alcohol legal again no one would want to smoke weed.
 
2013-09-26 11:57:12 AM
If you value the last thing you ate, do NOT GIS "krokodil".
 
2013-09-26 11:59:45 AM

jaybeezey: I was told by the internet that we made weed legal, no one would do dangerous drugs. But then those other people were told the we just made alcohol legal again no one would want to smoke weed.


This.
There are plenty of people who drink a lot - to the point that I'd call them functional alcoholics - who don't need to get loaded before they go to work.
But I've worked with 2 marijuana smokers who needed to toke up on the way in to their shift at the grocery store if they were going to have a chance of making it through the day.  Both got fired for it, of course.
 
2013-09-26 12:01:53 PM

buckler: If you value the last thing you ate, do NOT GIS "krokodil".


Are you kidding. Makes me want a hamburger.
 
2013-09-26 12:02:19 PM

R.A.Danny: xalres: That's exactly what spawned it. Heroin users too broke to get their fix found/created a recipe that produced a similar high for cheap. From what I've read the high only lasts about 2 hours and the withdrawl effects are insane, so users would cook a batch, inject it, veg for a half hour then spend the next hour and a half cooking the next batch. On and on, ad infinitum until your limbs rot off. Sounds like a blast.

Awesome way to get rid of junkies.


But Obamacare.
 
2013-09-26 12:15:36 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Cold_Sassy: Marcus Aurelius: fireclown: I would think that the illegality of drugs would increase the social unacceptableness of hard drugs

I used to know quite a few people that only drank during prohibition.  They did it for the kicks.

Prohibition ended in 1933.  How old are you?

Wrong side of 50.


Huh, whoda thunk it.   I'd never guess rom your posts.
 
2013-09-26 12:26:35 PM
I remember watching the Vice documentary on this a long time ago.  You would think watching that would be enough to convince you this drug is a bad idea.  We've got plenty of other stuff you can get high with that won't rot your skin off, literally pick almost any other drug and you're going to be better off.  There is no way that whatever high you get from that is worth that much damage.  Even if you don't give a shiat about yourselves, there's way less painful and more fun ways to die.
 
2013-09-26 12:39:45 PM

hardinparamedic: Wow. Krokodill in the United States?

I was always laboring under the impression that the reason people used that was because A) Codiene and it's other precursers are OTC in Europe, and B) They can't afford anything else.


Codeine is OTC in Canada too yet we don't see this stuff anywhere.

/knows some councelors and rehab workers by proxy
 
2013-09-26 12:44:29 PM

mike_d85: FTFA: "users mix codeine with gasoline, paint thinner, iodine, hydrochloric acid and red phosphorous"

People INJECT this?  WTF is wrong with these people?  Addition doesn't explain it, just snort/shoot/eat the codine.  WTF are you doing adding paint thinner and gas to ANYTHING you inject?

/I did the google image search, gross
//thought this was an urban legend in the early 2000s


That was my thought. I'd try to knock off a pharmacy before messing around with this stuff. Doesn't even seem like that would increase any narcotic effect. People this far gone, idk, let 'em go, cause their gone.
 
2013-09-26 12:44:42 PM
Sounds like some Killer Croc.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-26 12:44:56 PM

vygramul: schubie: b33rnutz: schubie: Legalize everything, watch crimes of all types plummet.

Stupidest idea ever.

Why? Alcohol is way more destructive than heroin or cocaine yet people still function on it. Mainly because the most down on his luck alky can recycle some cans or panhandle a few bucks and get his fix. He's not robbing, carjacking, burglarizing, stealing or prostituting to support his destructive and ultimately lethal habit.

Liquor store owners aren't recruiting children to act as lookouts and murdering other store owners and those caught in the crossfire over turf. Neighborhoods aren't blighted by the crimes associated with the users and purveyors of booze making it so the only way to find a job is to sell alcohol or your body to score some booze. Instead, the users can get farked up and then go to work because they don't have a habit that costs 150 dollars a day. Crime plummets, neighborhoods thrive, families heal and life is good. But you're right, that's stupid.

Prices will plummet, usage will go up, and what that does to crime is unclear. Crime may decrease from the lower prices but there will be an upward pressure due to more addicts. Odds are, crime will drop more, especially drug turf wars, which account for the plurality of murders in the US, dropping our firearms homicides far faster than an assault weapons ban.



I really don't think that most people's choice to NOT do heroin is based on "I can't afford it".

I believe the number of addicts would probably stay near the same....but the $ freed up from the prison system having fewer inmates could go to helping people at treatment facilities.  Some of those people might be able to recover and give back to society, recouping some of that tax money.  As it is now we lock 'em up and pay for it with our taxes while they learn how to be a better criminal, continue drug use once released, get locked up again and repeat cycle until they are finally locked up for good on our dime or die.

People are going to make the decision to use (or not) regardless of the legality.

/been there
//one of the minority who make it out alive and no worse for wear
 
2013-09-26 12:49:21 PM
Looks like Huey Lewis got more than he bargained for.
 
2013-09-26 12:50:21 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Thunderpipes: This is why I do not believe in addiction, only in stupidity. If I can stop drinking, even thought it is awesome and I love it, then people don't have to mutilate their bodies. How about just not doing it?

You have obviously never been addicted to heroin.


Seriously.  Thunderpipes, you do know that a bad alcoholic will die from withdrawal?

grand mal seizures are TONS of fun, lemme tell ya!
 
2013-09-26 12:52:06 PM
The good thing about Krokodil is that you don't stay addicted to it for very long.
 
2013-09-26 12:55:08 PM

bugmn99: I hope someone's giving these folks clean needles.


There are a ton of pharmacies that won't let you buy needles without proof of an insulin prescription.

Because that will fix SO MANY problems.
 
2013-09-26 12:56:01 PM

2KanZam: I really don't think that most people's choice to NOT do heroin is based on "I can't afford it".


Basic economics suggests people are more willing try something the cheaper it is.
 
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