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(Cincinnati Enquirer)   Cincinnati Reds' Ryan Ludwick calls out Reds fans for sucking   (news.cincinnati.com) divider line 52
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2013-09-26 10:43:37 AM  
Well, he did get used to the best fans in baseball when he played for the Cardinals, so I can see how other teams would have trouble living up to his expectations. The Cards are peaking at the right time, the Reds and to some extent the Pirates are not, and with any luck the Cards will get overall best record in the NL, so I am really looking forward to the postseason.
 
2013-09-26 12:16:05 PM  
I go to as many ball games as I can. 15 or so this year. Ticket prices are generally expensive for most people in this city, and there is no good public transit from the neighborhoods to the park. I live close enough to walk (just over a mile) so it isn't an issue for me. But for a lot of people here it is.

and he's right the fans in general suck. There is a louder applause for the 11th strike out in any game(free small pizza) than there was for homer's no hitter in july.
 
2013-09-26 12:17:05 PM  

SuperT: I go to as many ball games as I can. 15 or so this year. Ticket prices are generally expensive for most people in this city, and there is no good public transit from the neighborhoods to the park. I live close enough to walk (just over a mile) so it isn't an issue for me. But for a lot of people here it is.

BRIDGE OF DEATH!
 
2013-09-26 12:23:28 PM  
I was at the game and I gotta say, the fans do indeed suck. But they are only a little more apathetic than the players. This is a good, not great team. Lacks the passion needed to be great. You can't blame the fans for your lack of passion when you get paid millions of dollars a year to play a game.
 
2013-09-26 12:24:42 PM  

SuperT: I go to as many ball games as I can. 15 or so this year. Ticket prices are generally expensive for most people in this city, and there is no good public transit from the neighborhoods to the park. I live close enough to walk (just over a mile) so it isn't an issue for me. But for a lot of people here it is.

and he's right the fans in general suck. There is a louder applause for the 11th strike out in any game(free small pizza) than there was for homer's no hitter in july.


I dunno if you follow the Reds on RedReporter, but I found the fans there to be pretty much the classiest and best informed of all the baseball blogs other than AthleticsNation. It surprised me to the point that I'm pulling for them to win the NL pennant.
 
2013-09-26 12:32:04 PM  
Nobody is going to cheer when you lose 1-0 to the farking Mets.   I think part of the problem is we've seen this team just quit.  They should be stomping teams like the Mets, but they go up to the plate, swing at the first pitch, and pop it up, and go sit down.   It's all part of Dusty's "be aggressive at the plate" philosophy.

If we thought they would actually pull a rally, I have no doubt the fans would cheer them on.

/was not at the game
//watched it on TV
 
2013-09-26 12:32:30 PM  
That is because Reds fans have high standards.

reds.enquirer.com

/Lifelong Dodger Fan
//Much respect for the "Big Red Machine"
 
2013-09-26 12:43:47 PM  

MugzyBrown: SuperT: I go to as many ball games as I can. 15 or so this year. Ticket prices are generally expensive for most people in this city, and there is no good public transit from the neighborhoods to the park. I live close enough to walk (just over a mile) so it isn't an issue for me. But for a lot of people here it is.BRIDGE OF DEATH!


If you are that scared of the brent spence, get off at exit 192 and take the suspension bridge. or stop being a pussy.
 
2013-09-26 12:44:33 PM  

MugzyBrown: SuperT: I go to as many ball games as I can. 15 or so this year. Ticket prices are generally expensive for most people in this city, and there is no good public transit from the neighborhoods to the park. I live close enough to walk (just over a mile) so it isn't an issue for me. But for a lot of people here it is.BRIDGE OF DEATH!

 ATLANTA TRAFFIC OF DOOM
 
2013-09-26 12:46:18 PM  

show me: Well, he did get used to the best fans in baseball when he played for the Cardinals, so I can see how other teams would have trouble living up to his expectations. The Cards are peaking at the right time, the Reds and to some extent the Pirates are not, and with any luck the Cards will get overall best record in the NL, so I am really looking forward to the postseason.


Whenever I see someone on the internet explaining how their favorite team has "the best fans in [sport]," I always have a mental image of them rubbing one out while they say it.

Though Ludwick is right that Cincinnati fans seem to be on tranquilizers whenever they're at a sporting event.  This is especially notable since their Ohio buddies in Cleveland are basically Phily fans without the charm.
 
2013-09-26 12:47:31 PM  

bacongood: MugzyBrown: SuperT: I go to as many ball games as I can. 15 or so this year. Ticket prices are generally expensive for most people in this city, and there is no good public transit from the neighborhoods to the park. I live close enough to walk (just over a mile) so it isn't an issue for me. But for a lot of people here it is.BRIDGE OF DEATH! ATLANTA TRAFFIC OF DOOM

THE DOLANS ARE SUCH COCKS
 
2013-09-26 12:48:41 PM  
He says this after a Wednesday day game with almost 30,000 showing up and setting the record attendance for this ballpark for a season. I don't get the impression this team cares about the series coming up against Pitt either. They know they made the post season and don't care if they play one game home or away. With the lack of energy and general apathy the team displays I doubt that they will go any farther either way. (Season ticket holder)
 
2013-09-26 12:52:07 PM  

Chakro: He says this after a Wednesday day game with almost 30,000 showing up


That's poor attendance for a playoff team in September.  In most cities it'd have been sold out.

Other poor attending fans this year:

Washington
Atlanta
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Tampa
Cleveland
Baltimore
 
2013-09-26 12:54:42 PM  

MugzyBrown: That's poor attendance for a playoff team in September. In most cities it'd have been sold out.


They were playing the Mets for fark's sake! and couldn't take 2 of 3!
 
2013-09-26 12:56:54 PM  

MugzyBrown: Chakro: He says this after a Wednesday day game with almost 30,000 showing up

That's poor attendance for a playoff team in September.  In most cities it'd have been sold out.

Other poor attending fans this year:

Washington
Atlanta
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Tampa
Cleveland
Baltimore


Cleveland only cares about football, so that shouldn't be too surprising.  The only time anyone in that city went to games was when Browns I moved but Browns II didn't exist yet.
 
2013-09-26 12:57:36 PM  

Chakro: MugzyBrown: That's poor attendance for a playoff team in September. In most cities it'd have been sold out.

They were playing the Mets for fark's sake! and couldn't take 2 of 3!


The Phillies got about 28k vs the Marlins a few weeks ago.

The Marlins.  The Phillies haven't been relevant for 2 seasons now and are fielding a AA team.
 
2013-09-26 12:58:07 PM  

MugzyBrown: Chakro: He says this after a Wednesday day game with almost 30,000 showing up

That's poor attendance for a playoff team in September.  In most cities it'd have been sold out.

Other poor attending fans this year:

Washington
Atlanta
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Tampa
Cleveland
Baltimore


You're correct in including Oakland in this post, but if you attend an A's game, you'd be surprised at the level of energy expended exhorting the team. The fans stand up for the National Anthem, and don't sit down until they're in their cars going home. They're a bunch of rabid nuts.

/our strength is as of ten, for our hearts are pure
 
2013-09-26 01:00:47 PM  
Oh look, it's Paul Daugherty; professional troll.
 
2013-09-26 01:03:24 PM  
Maybe, just maybe, this city has seen its sports teams go to the playoffs two years in a row just for both of them to leave us disappointed.  Lack luster performances DON'T MAKE PEOPLE EXCITED!  Lets think about last year, they were 2-1 in the playoff and lost the last 2.  The Bengals lost to Houston... again, while looking like they even shouldn't have been there.

Cincinnati needs a team like the Bengals that beat the Packers last week.  Our faith is weak because you've let us down. Be the champions we need and you'll get the fans you want.

On the plus side, Cincinnati has the best bandwagon fans out there.  So there's that.
 
2013-09-26 01:04:54 PM  

show me: Well, he did get used to the best fans 'roids in baseball when he played for the Cardinals


/ftfy
 
2013-09-26 01:05:58 PM  
A team that doesn't know which end of a bat to hold once runners are in scoring position is nothing to whoop it up about. This years great pitching has been sandbagged by lousy hitting. Watch for the Reds to lose the wild card game to the Pirates. One and done again. The Big Red Machine and the 1990 Reds did not leave runners stranded like this one. They understood that a single gets the man at second home. If you swing for the fences every time, you are going to strike out most of the time.
 
2013-09-26 01:07:39 PM  
Maybe it's my age (53), but I've lost my appetite for watching millionaires playing for billionaires. Whether it's the Reds or the Bengals, I'll watch when they're on tv, but if I want to watch live sports there's a high school right down the street. so basically fark em, starting with Ludwick.
 
2013-09-26 01:18:37 PM  

taoistlumberjak: Oh look, it's Paul Daugherty; professional troll.


He's like the Cincinnati sports media's lovechild of Skip Bayless and Rick Reilly.
 
2013-09-26 01:26:44 PM  

RonwellQuincyDobbs: taoistlumberjak: Oh look, it's Paul Daugherty; professional troll.

He's like the Cincinnati sports media's lovechild of Skip Bayless and Rick Reilly.


In this case he's right and he's trolling the players not the fans, so why do you care?

Maybe they will finally stop clutching their pearls and get off their fainting couches long enough to make it to the second round of the playoffs this year.
 
2013-09-26 01:33:39 PM  
As an area native, Cincinnati has always been a football town.  We sell out games when the Bengals might approach a 500 team (let alone the madness that is high school football).  But we'll criticize a manager endlessly, despite getting us in the playoffs every year and generally providing winning baseball.
 
2013-09-26 01:44:53 PM  

bglove25: As an area native, Cincinnati has always been a football town.  We sell out games when the Bengals might approach a 500 team (let alone the madness that is high school football).  But we'll criticize a manager endlessly, despite getting us in the playoffs every year and generally providing winning baseball.


Well, to be fair, Dusty Baker is very easy to criticize. He's an asshole. He was one with the Cubs, and now he's one with the Reds.

llortcM_yllort: Whenever I see someone on the internet explaining how their favorite team has "the best fans in [sport]," I always have a mental image of them rubbing one out while they say it.


Is that the point where you begin to rub one out to that mental image? Look up attendance figures (you don't even have to adjust for market size if you don't want to) and get back to me.
 
2013-09-26 02:02:43 PM  
What most mlb fans who are stupid enough to use attendance numbers in an argument dont realize, is that a large chunk of reds fans love to listen to the radio broadcast of the games. The reds have the highest radio share in the MLB of male listeners aged 25-54. 29% of all radios on with men that age are tuned into the game. Theres only 2 other teams above 20%. Females in that age bracket was at 10.9%.

For comparison, the Yankees only doubled the total number of listeners per game compared to cincinnati.
 
2013-09-26 02:06:24 PM  

DaintySavage: What most mlb fans who are stupid enough to use attendance numbers in an argument dont realize, is that a large chunk of reds fans love to listen to the radio broadcast of the games. The reds have the highest radio share in the MLB of male listeners aged 25-54. 29% of all radios on with men that age are tuned into the game. Theres only 2 other teams above 20%. Females in that age bracket was at 10.9%.

For comparison, the Yankees only doubled the total number of listeners per game compared to cincinnati.


Maybe you need more radio stations.. or your radio sucks.  That's worse rationale than the bridge in Tampa.
 
2013-09-26 02:29:35 PM  

Cymbal: RonwellQuincyDobbs: taoistlumberjak: Oh look, it's Paul Daugherty; professional troll.

He's like the Cincinnati sports media's lovechild of Skip Bayless and Rick Reilly.

In this case he's right and he's trolling the players not the fans, so why do you care?

Maybe they will finally stop clutching their pearls and get off their fainting couches long enough to make it to the second round of the playoffs this year.


Thing is, I don't care and I actually agree with Paul on this.  I grew up in Cincinnati and went to several games.  The only time it felt like a playoff atmosphere there was on opening day.  The fans are generally knowledgeable but not very excitable.  I went to see the Cubs play at the A's this summer and those fans were super pumped for a random July game.  That being said, I still think Doc is a major douche and lost any remaining respect I had for him with the whole flap over Homer Bailey dropping an F Bomb.
 
2013-09-26 02:30:33 PM  
*several games a year, I should say...
 
2013-09-26 02:50:07 PM  
Used to despise the Reds, but since Marge Schott is gone, they're okay in my mind.

They're averaging the same attendance now as they did back in 1990.  IIRC, Riverfront stadium had more seats than whatever the name of the new ballpark is today.   But then again, I don't recall when baseball changed the attendance figures from asses in seats to tickets sold.

Maybe it has something to do with the fans having seen this before, only set up for disappointment in the first round of the playoffs.  Swept in 2010 by Philly, and (again IIRC) losing in epic form to the Giants after being up 2-0 in a best of 3 series.

Plus, as mentioned upthread, who the hell wants to spend the afternoon watching the Mets?  And to pay one or two hundred bucks for tickets, parking food, etc on a work day?   C'mon.
 
2013-09-26 03:04:55 PM  
How about MLB takes the average number of day games per season for teams and removes that many games from the stupid 162 game schedule so they dont have to have poorly attended day games everywhere but St Louis where people apparently dont go to work.
 
2013-09-26 03:09:58 PM  

Swoop1809: How about MLB takes the average number of day games per season for teams and removes that many games from the stupid 162 game schedule so they dont have to have poorly attended day games everywhere but St Louis where people apparently dont go to work.


Plus the middle of the day is the worst time to have a game. Most people would rather take a nap over any activity from 1-4pm.
 
2013-09-26 03:25:57 PM  

DaintySavage: What most mlb fans who are stupid enough to use attendance numbers in an argument dont realize, is that a large chunk of reds fans love to listen to the radio broadcast of the games. The reds have the highest radio share in the MLB of male listeners aged 25-54. 29% of all radios on with men that age are tuned into the game. Theres only 2 other teams above 20%. Females in that age bracket was at 10.9%.

For comparison, the Yankees only doubled the total number of listeners per game compared to cincinnati.


Wait... did we just get "because of radio" as an excuse for attendance issues?

Is this the 1920s?  Just wait until Cincinnati finds out about television.
 
2013-09-26 03:30:27 PM  

Swoop1809: How about MLB takes the average number of day games per season for teams and removes that many games from the stupid 162 game schedule so they dont have to have poorly attended day games everywhere but St Louis where people apparently dont go to work.


Is that you, Lee Elia?

/wrong city
 
2013-09-26 03:38:57 PM  

Swoop1809: How about MLB takes the average number of day games per season for teams and removes that many games from the stupid 162 game schedule so they dont have to have poorly attended day games everywhere but St Louis where people apparently dont go to work.


Day games have always been a draw in Philly, even at the vet when they really sucked.
 
2013-09-26 03:54:31 PM  
2013 attendance stats

All numbers are the bullshiat "announced" attendance, so take with a grain of salt (I assume all teams cheat the system evenly, except the Giants who are clearly full of shiat), but Cinci is right in the middle of the pack in terms of % of seats sold, filling an average of 73% of their seats, same as the Pirates (who have a smaller stadium, and lets be honest no one took seriously until halfway through the season)

Say what you will, but the fans aren't anywhere near as bad as Cleveland, who have only filled a league low 45% of the stadium with a playoff team
 
2013-09-26 03:54:32 PM  
MugzyBrown: Other poor attending fans this year:

Pittsburgh? Nah, you need to look at % of seats sold v. capacity to get a better idea. Even if the Pirates sold every seat to every game, they'd still get "only" 3.11 million in attendance. Compare that to the Yankees potential of 4.07 million fans.

I'd add the Angels to that list, because even though they officially drew 3.01 million, that's a way inflated number compared to the number of actual bodies in the seats (as is with all MLB teams, of course). They sold a bunch of season tickets and the pre-season gate sales were strong too, but the team has been so mediocre this year, another few years like it (very possible) and it'll be back to the bad old days of 20,000 at a game that's not giving away a Mike Trout bobblehead or Rally Monkey plush toy.

As for Oakland, how they get even 20 people to go to that stadium is a miracle, it's easily the worst sports venue in America and it's in a really, really bad neighborhood. If the stupid Giants weren't such colossal assholes about their bogus "territorial rights", the A's could be playing in a new stadium of appropriate size (ca. 35,000) in San Jose in a few years.
 
2013-09-26 04:04:03 PM  

Henry Holland: Pittsburgh? Nah, you need to look at % of seats sold v. capacity


Yeah 73% for a team that has been in or near 1st place all year.

Awful.
 
2013-09-26 04:36:12 PM  

MugzyBrown: Henry Holland: Pittsburgh? Nah, you need to look at % of seats sold v. capacity

Yeah 73% for a team that has been in or near 1st place all year.

Awful.


Compare that to previous years when the team was horrible.  The fans showed up this year - there were a bunch of sellouts.
 
2013-09-26 06:19:12 PM  

MugzyBrown: DaintySavage: What most mlb fans who are stupid enough to use attendance numbers in an argument dont realize, is that a large chunk of reds fans love to listen to the radio broadcast of the games. The reds have the highest radio share in the MLB of male listeners aged 25-54. 29% of all radios on with men that age are tuned into the game. Theres only 2 other teams above 20%. Females in that age bracket was at 10.9%.

For comparison, the Yankees only doubled the total number of listeners per game compared to cincinnati.

Maybe you need more radio stations.. or your radio sucks.  That's worse rationale than the bridge in Tampa.


Yea, let's drive 45 minutes, pay $20 a ticket, $8/ beer, $5/hotdog, leave around 10:30, take an hour drive back in traffic, or sit on the patio smoking a cigar, drinking good beer, and listen to some of the best announcers in baseball. Man, tough choice.

Trying to pretend your city is better because 5,000 other people went somewhere and sat in seats is laughable.
 
2013-09-26 06:34:10 PM  

show me:
llortcM_yllort: Whenever I see someone on the internet explaining how their favorite team has "the best fans in [sport]," I always have a mental image of them rubbing one out while they say it.

Is that the point where you begin to rub one out to that mental image? Look up attendance figures (you don't even have to adjust for market size if you don't want to) and get back to me.


I say that not because you're wrong, but because it's self-congratulatory and douchey.  Besides, your team is third in average attendance and one of the teams beating you hasn't been in playoff contention at any point in the season.

LessO2: Used to despise the Reds, but since Marge Schott is gone, they're okay in my mind.

They're averaging the same attendance now as they did back in 1990.  IIRC, Riverfront stadium had more seats than whatever the name of the new ballpark is today.   But then again, I don't recall when baseball changed the attendance figures from asses in seats to tickets sold.


Yeah, but Riverfront was a shiathole, so it all balances out.
 
2013-09-26 06:58:16 PM  

llortcM_yllort: MugzyBrown: Chakro: He says this after a Wednesday day game with almost 30,000 showing up

That's poor attendance for a playoff team in September.  In most cities it'd have been sold out.

Other poor attending fans this year:

Washington
Atlanta
Pittsburgh
Oakland
Tampa
Cleveland
Baltimore

Cleveland only cares about football, so that shouldn't be too surprising.  The only time anyone in that city went to games was when Browns I moved but Browns II didn't exist yet.


Or, as I like to call it, the three years when the Browns were undefeated.
Also, Chris Perez thinks this guy's a rank amateur.
 
2013-09-26 08:15:11 PM  

Swoop1809: How about MLB takes the average number of day games per season for teams and removes that many games from the stupid 162 game schedule so they dont have to have poorly attended day games everywhere but St Louis where people apparently dont go to work.


Haha... nope. That's what we do here in St. Louis. We take half days and go to the game. I'll be there on Friday.

/champagne goggles are ready.
 
2013-09-26 08:39:10 PM  

Swoop1809: How about MLB takes the average number of day games per season for teams and removes that many games from the stupid 162 game schedule so they dont have to have poorly attended day games everywhere but St Louis where people apparently dont go to work.


The precedent had been set a long time ago when Anheuser Busch  owned the team. August Busch would
go through the brewery handing out tickets to workers to go with him to the game.
 
2013-09-26 08:55:24 PM  

show me: bglove25: As an area native, Cincinnati has always been a football town.  We sell out games when the Bengals might approach a 500 team (let alone the madness that is high school football).  But we'll criticize a manager endlessly, despite getting us in the playoffs every year and generally providing winning baseball.

Well, to be fair, Dusty Baker is very easy to criticize. He's an asshole. He was one with the Cubs, and now he's one with the Reds.


I mean...what?  I see from your location that you live in the St. Louis area.  Tony La Russa is an asshole.  I don't think there can be any argument there.

The problem with Dusty is that he is not enough of an asshole.  That's always been his problem.  That's why you get a Willy Taveras batting leadoff and not being a benchie, when he can't hit and can't field, just because Baker likes the kid.  Baker will let guys who are slumping/injured/legally dead stay in, just because he doesn't want to be the bad guy who has to pull them.  Hell, look at how he handles the pitchers.  The same exact problem.

The worst part is that I'd rather have a Baker than La Russa any day.  That's actually a "Budweiser vs. Coors" argument, though.
 
2013-09-26 09:19:33 PM  

taoistlumberjak:
I mean...what?  I see from your location that you live in the St. Louis area.  Tony La Russa is an asshole.  I don't think there can be any argument there.


LaRussa is a major asshole with 3 World Series championship rings, and is a lock for 1st ballot MLB HoF.


The problem with Dusty is that he is not enough of an asshole.

Nope. You wont find a bigger asshole.
He's just not a very good manager.
 
2013-09-27 12:44:36 AM  

taoistlumberjak: The worst part is that I'd rather have a Baker than La Russa any day. That's actually a "Budweiser vs. Coors" argument, though.


I don't actually expect you to know anything about baseball, but LaRussa isn't the manager of the Cardinals anymore. Hasn't been for the last two years.
 
2013-09-27 09:54:22 AM  
Cincy hasn't had a good team for 20 years. The fans are either fanatical or they've plain gotten used to having a bad team. They have a good team this year, but I think people just don't want to get their hopes up because they don't want to get crushed by another failed playoff run.

I know, it's counter-intuitive. But that's why we only have one pro sports team in Ohio and that's the Buckeyes.
 
2013-09-27 10:02:58 AM  
Cincinnatians are smart enough to know a scam when they see one.  People that funnel their money to pro sports are a joke.
 
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