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2013-09-26 10:22:27 AM
SAT scores are normalized against performance anyway, so just change the grading scale like they've done several times before.

Problem solved.
 
2013-09-26 11:01:56 AM
The kids are just dumbing down in preparation for their stellar careers in food service, sanitation engineering, and as Wal-mart workers. It's better not to think about it too much. Very smart of them.
 
2013-09-26 11:30:36 AM
Get comfy for the long haul, folks. The Tea Party ain't going anywhere.
 
2013-09-26 11:41:48 AM
So much for the Flynn effect.  Really, I think rising social inequality is behind this, two incomes, no free time, no budget for extra educational resources.  We're racing towards third world now, and the proposed solutions from half the country will just push us there faster.
 
2013-09-26 11:42:29 AM
It's all about street smarts.....
 
2013-09-26 11:43:03 AM
Headline: "High School Student's SAT Scores Continue to Slip"

FTA:

"High school seniors who graduated earlier this year generated the exact same scores as last year's crop of test takers."

"Continue" and "slip" - what do they MEAN?
 
2013-09-26 11:43:39 AM
New SAT format:

"If you have one bucket that contains 2 gallons and another bucket that contains 7 gallons, how many buckets do you have?"
 
2013-09-26 11:43:43 AM

TedDalton: It's all about street smarts.....


It's definitely not about being smart enough to just use a period instead of a weird ellipsis thing.
 
2013-09-26 11:44:16 AM

ERNesbitt: New SAT format:

"If you have one bucket that contains 2 gallons and another bucket that contains 7 gallons, how many buckets do you have?"


12?  DAMMIT!
 
2013-09-26 11:45:38 AM
They'll rescale the scoring again in a few years. Back in my day, a 1300 meant something.
 
2013-09-26 11:45:46 AM
does this lend credence to the "SAT is biased in favor of White people" arguments?
more minorities taking the test, test scores go down on average.
 
2013-09-26 11:45:48 AM

ikanreed: So much for the Flynn effect.  Really, I think rising social inequality is behind this, two incomes, no free time, no budget for extra educational resources.  We're racing towards third world now, and the proposed solutions from half the country will just push us there faster.


I believe the Flynn Effect just state that IQ needs to be re-evaluated every 10 years, when the average IQ may increase about 3 points. Course it could be that more kids are taking the SATs which could skew the results.
 
2013-09-26 11:45:54 AM
SAT and IQ scores are meant for the consumption of nerds, by nerds.
 
2013-09-26 11:47:50 AM
This would be a problem, if the SAT did a good job of predicting First-Year Undergrad GPA, like it was designed to. But, you know, it doesn't, so, there you go.
 
2013-09-26 11:48:13 AM

Donnchadha: SAT scores are normalized against performance anyway, so just change the grading scale like they've done several times before.

Problem solved.


That's the resolution I expect. If the right number of students aren't meeting standards, so the logic goes, then the test must not be measuring what is considered standard education.

//We really need to re-imagine a better educational system.
 
2013-09-26 11:48:39 AM

ikanreed: TedDalton: It's all about street smarts.....

It's definitely not about being smart enough to just use a period instead of a weird ellipsis thing.


The more you know....
 
2013-09-26 11:52:55 AM
I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.
 
2013-09-26 11:53:30 AM

TedDalton: It's all about street smarts.....


...Or they might just be book dumb.
 
2013-09-26 11:54:14 AM
Do you still get a participation ribbon fopr taking it? Because thats important for your self esteem
 
2013-09-26 11:55:38 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: does this lend credence to the "SAT is biased in favor of White people" arguments?
more minorities taking the test, test scores go down on average.


My guess is that the key variable is 'first-generation college students' rather than 'minorities.' Although the fact that many first-gens speak English as a second language is probably also a factor.
 
2013-09-26 11:56:19 AM

Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.


To be fair, imperial units suck balls.
 
2013-09-26 11:57:39 AM

Onkel Buck: Do you still get a participation ribbon fopr taking it? Because thats important for your self esteem


It's called a 600.  Although I supposed if you're really participating, you can do worse than the "minimum" by getting everything wrong.
 
2013-09-26 11:58:00 AM

pkellmey: Donnchadha: SAT scores are normalized against performance anyway, so just change the grading scale like they've done several times before.

Problem solved.

That's the resolution I expect. If the right number of students aren't meeting standards, so the logic goes, then the test must not be measuring what is considered standard education.

//We really need to re-imagine a better educational system.


The US educational system has always been about socialization not education.
 
2013-09-26 11:58:18 AM
I blame cell phones.

/ and Bush
 
2013-09-26 11:58:45 AM
It seems like the results may be skewed lower because more kids are taking the SAT than might have in previous years. The "everyone must go to college" mentality.
 
2013-09-26 11:59:05 AM

TedDalton: It's all about street smarts.....


'Street smarts' is a consolation prize.

/it's called 'common sense'
//'street smarts' is the 'swag' of thinking
 
2013-09-26 12:00:21 PM
Yeah, there are literally no jobs.
Unemployment is at 100%.
 
2013-09-26 12:00:43 PM
ikanreed:

To be fair, imperial units suck balls.

-overheard at Yavin 4
 
2013-09-26 12:00:50 PM

ERNesbitt: New SAT format:

"If you have one bucket that contains 2 gallons and another bucket that contains 7 gallons, how many buckets do you have?"


You didn't say what's in the buckets, so I can't answer the question.
 
2013-09-26 12:02:39 PM

Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.


27,154 gallons and 2 and a quater pints?
 
2013-09-26 12:03:55 PM

Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.


And if he was a farmer, that sort of information might be useful, but for the average city farker, yea, not so much.

27,154.2876 gallons, plus or minus.

More useful might be how to calculate the volume of a swimming pool so that you can calculate the cholorine needed.
 
2013-09-26 12:03:58 PM

Begoggle: Yeah, there are literally no jobs.
Unemployment is at 100%.


7% means that if there are 100 people that need a job, and 93 have them, there are no jobs left for the remining 7.

You were one of those ACT kids, weren't you?
 
2013-09-26 12:06:44 PM
No Politician Left Behind.
 
2013-09-26 12:07:08 PM

lamecomedian: Headline: "High School Student's SAT Scores Continue to Slip"

FTA:

"High school seniors who graduated earlier this year generated the exact same scores as last year's crop of test takers."

"Continue" and "slip" - what do they MEAN?


Came in here to say this. I wonder what Lynn O'Shaughnessy,  TF author, got on her SAT.

/they're not even trying anymore
 
2013-09-26 12:07:11 PM

Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.


In high school level physics, they gloss over just enough unit cancellation to get the snowflakes to pass the test. The first time I saw this question was in college (12-ish years ago)... We got it the other way around, even the students who understood the concept struggled to figure out breaking a volume into and area and distance.
 
2013-09-26 12:08:02 PM

Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.


...so he pulled out his glock and popped a cap in your smarty-art ass?
 
2013-09-26 12:10:01 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: They'll rescale the scoring again in a few years. Back in my day, a 1300 meant something.


In my day 1350 meant something.

/it meant i took it twice and added the scores together.
 
2013-09-26 12:12:55 PM
When I was a kid I played with sticks and rocks and clumps of dirt, and was fully entertained and learned my R's well.  All these infotainment learning tools are not as useful as we would like to think.
 
2013-09-26 12:13:24 PM

bmwericus: Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.

And if he was a farmer, that sort of information might be useful, but for the average city farker, yea, not so much.

27,154.2876 gallons, plus or minus.

More useful might be how to calculate the volume of a swimming pool so that you can calculate the cholorine needed.


The pool question has complex geometry compared to the original question. If they couldn't figure out the field question, the 'gifted' kid would think calculating the volume of a pool was magic.

/have calculated the volume of a pool
//bunch of tedious geometry
 
2013-09-26 12:13:59 PM

Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.


I'll take, "Who the fark cares?" for 600, Alex
 
2013-09-26 12:14:14 PM

lamecomedian: Headline: "High School Student's SAT Scores Continue to Slip"

FTA:

"High school seniors who graduated earlier this year generated the exact same scores as last year's crop of test takers."

"Continue" and "slip" - what do they MEAN?


funny how you're the only post so far to mention this, everyone else it's about why the results prove they're right and the other guys are wrong.
 
2013-09-26 12:14:55 PM

MaliFinn: When I was a kid I played with sticks and rocks and clumps of dirt, and was fully entertained and learned my R's well.  All these infotainment learning tools are not as useful as we would like to think.


It has to be some other reason. We can't say what that reason is, but it has to be something else.
 
2013-09-26 12:15:50 PM
Well there is always the ASVAB. That should terrify some of you into working harder.
 
2013-09-26 12:17:17 PM
If only 43% of them are prepared for college level studies, then only admit the 43%.
The rest can go to McUniversity.
Seems simple enough to me.
 
2013-09-26 12:18:53 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.

I'll take, "Who the fark cares?" for 600, Alex


I'll take, "what the fark is an acre again, and isn't that as variable as "leagues" or "hands"?

Then I would try and fail to remember the volume of a gallon in any linear measurement value at all.

Then I'd say, "use metric you bumblefark bumpkin!"
 
2013-09-26 12:21:25 PM

mdeesnuts: bmwericus: Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.

And if he was a farmer, that sort of information might be useful, but for the average city farker, yea, not so much.

27,154.2876 gallons, plus or minus.

More useful might be how to calculate the volume of a swimming pool so that you can calculate the cholorine needed.

The pool question has complex geometry compared to the original question. If they couldn't figure out the field question, the 'gifted' kid would think calculating the volume of a pool was magic.

/have calculated the volume of a pool
//bunch of tedious geometry


Had to calculate moles in a pool for extra credit in HS Chemistry. It wasn't exactly a complex shaped pool, and it wasn't exactly difficult, but damnit, kids should be able to calculate volume.
 
2013-09-26 12:23:59 PM

GodComplex: ikanreed: So much for the Flynn effect.  Really, I think rising social inequality is behind this, two incomes, no free time, no budget for extra educational resources.  We're racing towards third world now, and the proposed solutions from half the country will just push us there faster.

I believe the Flynn Effect just state that IQ needs to be re-evaluated every 10 years, when the average IQ may increase about 3 points. Course it could be that more kids are taking the SATs which could skew the results.


Came here to say this. More kids are going to college than ever, so more kids take the SATs.

As a complete side note, you'd think it would be easy to get estimates of high-school graduation rates to back something like this up, but:

High School Graduation Rate Hits 40-Year Peak in the U.S.
...
Data reported for the 2010-11 academic year marks the first time all of the states used a uniform measure to calculate graduation rates

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/06/high-school-grad ua tion-rate-hits-40-year-peak-in-the-us/276604/
 
2013-09-26 12:29:50 PM

ERNesbitt: Pick: I asked my nephew who was 17 at the time and considered gifted by his parents, a simple mathematical question; How many gallons of water fall on an acre, if one inch of rain falls upon it? He did not know how to even start to calculate the answer.

In high school level physics, they gloss over just enough unit cancellation to get the snowflakes to pass the test. The first time I saw this question was in college (12-ish years ago)... We got it the other way around, even the students who understood the concept struggled to figure out breaking a volume into and area and distance.


It's not the volume, it's the memorization of unit conversion (gallons/square inches, square feet/acre) that was probably the sticking point. Let's face it, without Google, do you think you can calculate the speed of light in furlongs per fortnight?
 
2013-09-26 12:33:31 PM
Is our children learning?
 
2013-09-26 12:35:03 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: They'll rescale the scoring again in a few years. Back in my day, a 1300 meant something.


THIS. I'm really annoyed that they have ever scaled at all.  It makes no sense.
 
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