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(ESPN)   "We're not minor league sports," says minor league sports commissioner   (espn.go.com ) divider line 23
    More: Interesting, minor leagues, Jim Delany, Major League Baseball, John Havlicek, athletic scholarships, Mark Emmert, restructuring plans  
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2013-09-26 10:06:35 AM  
Just let your 'student-athletes' operate under the same rules as all other scholarship recipients and everything will be fine.  A music student gets a recording contract and makes bank, so can a running back.  A QB gets more from boosters than the music student, that's the market operating.  'SaucySophmore.com' makes a student more than the QB, cry moar, Delany, you dick.
 
2013-09-26 10:06:40 AM  
He's right. Let kids who have no interest in college skip college and go directly to the NFL and let the NFL worry about a minor league. That'd go a long way in cutting down the corruption in college football. In the end it might work out better for the NFL too since they can put minor league teams in smaller cities where full NFL franchise isn't viable.
 
2013-09-26 10:07:12 AM  
He is making a reasonable argument, he must be silenced.
 
2013-09-26 10:08:03 AM  

bsharitt: He's right. Let kids who have no interest in college skip college and go directly to the NFL and let the NFL worry about a minor league. That'd go a long way in cutting down the corruption in college football. In the end it might work out better for the NFL too since they can put minor league teams in smaller cities where full NFL franchise isn't viable.


Like Buffalo

/Ducks and Runs
 
2013-09-26 10:23:06 AM  
why would the nba or nfl do that?  they love the free training and more importantly the free publicity that college football and basketball create.  that's why their drafts are media events and baseball's isn't.

switch to the olypmic model already.  don't bar outside income, then the schools can still keep the bucket loads of cash and the athletes get a bit if the market deems it so.

i do wonder if football/basketball are one of the reason that some schools endowments are so huge.  i'm not just talking mandatory donations by ticket holders. but if the ties built on football saturdays and at basketball games lead to a closer alumni base and more donations.
 
2013-09-26 10:25:45 AM  
I agree with ole Jimmy that high school athletes should have the option of going pro in football and basketball out of high school, but here's the deal - the NFL and NBA make that rule, not the NCAA. Additionally, it doesn't address the problem of fair compensation for those athletes who do play at the college level. How many college stars never make it in the NFL? A lot. How would this benefit them if they aren't good enough to excel beyond college?

Sounds to me like Jimmy and his cohorts are scared that the monopoly on revenue-generating college athletics imposed by the NCAA might be threatened. NCAA is a farm system and he knows. What he and the other commissioners are terrified of losing is free labor. And let's not act like Johnny Football would be nothing without A&M. I hate that argument. He could've played at any other college in America and been a star (except Texas according to Mack Brown). Pay the kids already.
 
2013-09-26 10:27:42 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Just let your 'student-athletes' operate under the same rules as all other scholarship recipients and everything will be fine.  A music student gets a recording contract and makes bank, so can a running back.  A QB gets more from boosters than the music student, that's the market operating.  'SaucySophmore.com' makes a student more than the QB, cry moar, Delany, you dick.


Here's the problem. The music student either gets something out of college or can start their career without going to college. You don't have to get drafted to start a band. Labels don't just sign college kids to high priced deals.
Yeah, you can be an undrafted free agent in the NFL. But that kid who spent 3-4 years at Alabama or wherever is going have a huge head start.
 
2013-09-26 10:34:08 AM  

Tom_Slick: bsharitt: He's right. Let kids who have no interest in college skip college and go directly to the NFL and let the NFL worry about a minor league. That'd go a long way in cutting down the corruption in college football. In the end it might work out better for the NFL too since they can put minor league teams in smaller cities where full NFL franchise isn't viable.

Like Buffalo

/Ducks and Runs


and LA
 
2013-09-26 10:51:00 AM  
Delaney says that until the top tier players say, he's right. I'll go play arena ball for 3 years or try to get into the CFL or go play in the NBA D league for a year. His head will be on a pike if THE Oiho State and Michigan suddenly can't get the cream of the crop because of what he said. Also, if the NCAA isn't about capitalizing on the Student/Atheletes, I'm sure he'd have no problem ditching the Big 10 Network and pulling Big 10 teams from games like NCAA football, and stop selling sports jerseys...... What a jack ass.
 
2013-09-26 10:51:40 AM  

A Fark Handle: why would the nba or nfl do that?  they love the free training and more importantly the free publicity that college football and basketball create.  that's why their drafts are media events and baseball's isn't.

switch to the olypmic model already.  don't bar outside income, then the schools can still keep the bucket loads of cash and the athletes get a bit if the market deems it so.

i do wonder if football/basketball are one of the reason that some schools endowments are so huge.  i'm not just talking mandatory donations by ticket holders. but if the ties built on football saturdays and at basketball games lead to a closer alumni base and more donations.


There's also the fact that baseball's has just over 500 rounds.
 
2013-09-26 10:51:49 AM  

A Fark Handle: i do wonder if football/basketball are one of the reason that some schools endowments are so huge. i'm not just talking mandatory donations by ticket holders. but if the ties built on football saturdays and at basketball games lead to a closer alumni base and more donations.


That's kind of the 900-pound gorilla in the room when it comes to this stuff. College football Saturdays aren't just about the game- there's a social aspect that's really entrenched. People go back to their alma mater and mingle with fellow alumni. If the "minor league football" was removed, most of us would still like an excuse to get together, eat good food, drink good booze, and enjoy each others' company.
 
2013-09-26 10:57:20 AM  
I think the principle is fine, but I'm not sure how it would play out in football.  19-year-old kids, no matter how gifted, are going to be physically overwhelmed by the grown men of the NFL, so there would have to be a robust minor league system. If you want to let minor league ball also be a vehicle for fringe players trying to make their way back to the big leagues (as baseball does) then you'd also have to introduce a baseball-style system with A, AA and AAA levels.  And of course it would be a major undertaking to construct football stadia in small towns around the country, and I have no idea what the demand would be (baseball has a rich history of small-town folks spending leisurely afternoons at minor league parks watching the kids who pass through each year; would people do this for football as well?).

So: decent idea in theory, but I'm skeptical of whether it would work in practice.
 
2013-09-26 11:04:19 AM  
I've said for awhile that baseball has the best system when it comes to dealing with going pro vs going to college.
 
2013-09-26 11:11:30 AM  

flak attack: There's also the fact that baseball's has just over 500 rounds.


and no one even bothers to watch the first 2.
 
2013-09-26 11:19:18 AM  
We're not minor league sports, we just collude to keep athletes from receiving the market value of their services. What's the big deal?
 
2013-09-26 11:35:24 AM  
I'm honestly curious, too, about this:
IF college players could get sponsorships and get paid directly by boosters would colleges get significantly less in donations as boosters shift from paying universities to just directly paying players to attend that university?
 
2013-09-26 11:50:17 AM  

11of12: I've said for awhile that baseball has the best system when it comes to dealing with going pro vs going to college.


Yep, followed closely by European soccer. If they made the American baseball draft like the Latin one, it'd be perfect. Instead, Bud Seling being Bud Seling, he wants to turn the Latin draft into the American draft, and everyone, GMs, agents, scouts, hell, visa application processors, say this is a terrible idea.
 
2013-09-26 12:00:23 PM  

DeadpoolNakago: I'm honestly curious, too, about this:
IF college players could get sponsorships and get paid directly by boosters would colleges get significantly less in donations as boosters shift from paying universities to just directly paying players to attend that university?


i would imagine so, but the question of real interest is what sort of donations shift.  after all, locker room xboxes, flatscreen tvs, waterfalls, and leather bound chairs don't pay for themselves.  a lot of athletic donations don't go to the general college fund.  since the schools can't currently/openly allow payments directly there's an arms race to make the greatest football complex ever with more bling than god to attract/reward the players. that cost money, lots and lots of money.
 
2013-09-26 12:18:17 PM  
A Fark Handle:
i would imagine so, but the question of real interest is what sort of donations shift.  after all, locker room xboxes, flatscreen tvs, waterfalls, and leather bound chairs don't pay for themselves.  a lot of athletic donations don't go to the general college fund.  since the schools can't currently/openly allow payments directly there's an arms race to make the greatest football complex ever with more bling than god to attract/reward the players. that cost money, lots and lots of money.

That is the exact unintended consequence I was thinking of. I'm not saying this is bad, by the way. I do think kids should have the opportunity to make the money they can make on an open market. Would campus' still have gold encrusted bidets to show off recruits? Would kids just sign with agents who will package whole groups together for the highest bidder and then they'll just get memberships at some high end gym in town? Would they get enough to live off campus in a gated community?  Would schools, idk, just make Athletic colleges within their universities and have entire colleges openly devoted to trying to shuttle kids from the minor league college ranks to the pros? Would these colleges start becoming the more lucrative colleges within certain universities? Would some universities devote themselves entirely to promoting athletics and market themselves as primarily athletic institutions?
 
2013-09-26 12:38:37 PM  

DeadpoolNakago: That is the exact unintended consequence I was thinking of. I'm not saying this is bad, by the way. I do think kids should have the opportunity to make the money they can make on an open market. Would campus' still have gold encrusted bidets to show off recruits? Would kids just sign with agents who will package whole groups together for the highest bidder and then they'll just get memberships at some high end gym in town? Would they get enough to live off campus in a gated community? Would schools, idk, just make Athletic colleges within their universities and have entire colleges openly devoted to trying to shuttle kids from the minor league college ranks to the pros? Would these colleges start becoming the more lucrative colleges within certain universities? Would some universities devote themselves entirely to promoting athletics and market themselves as primarily athletic institutions?


one service a school could offer that would keep their hand in the cookie jar and the ability to ensure johnny football 2.0 doesn't endorse a strip club filled with the undergrads "working their way through school," could be to change the compliance department into a bullpen of agents that work for the athletes.  though that might be a half-baked idea.

the athletic department at some schools is already essentially completely independent from the university, so that's not new.  what you do raise, which i don't see as the university devoted to athletics, but why not have a sport performance major/department.  classes on history of the game, training, nutrition, modern and historic strategy/theories, coaching, contract law, money management for lottery winners, etc.  i mean students can major in other performances (music, dance, art, etc).  why not train these young men in sports performance? and just like every other failed musician, dancer, and artist (though perhaps without the crippling debt) they have a fall back career in teaching sports performance (aka coaching).  i'm not saying all college players need to be sports performance majors (maybe they are going pro in something other than sports), but why not offer it?
 
2013-09-26 02:23:19 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Just let your 'student-athletes' operate under the same rules as all other scholarship recipients and everything will be fine.  A music student gets a recording contract and makes bank, so can a running back.  A QB gets more from boosters than the music student, that's the market operating.  'SaucySophmore.com' makes a student more than the QB, cry moar, Delany, you dick.


This would solve the whole problem, and douchebags like Delany could pretend to stop caring about "amateur" sports while they make millions of dollars per year in their salaries.
 
2013-09-26 04:35:15 PM  
I totally, 100% agree with the commissioner.  "student" athletes who care not at all about learning or attending classes do NOT belong in colleges or Universities.  It is not the collegiate system's responsibility to cater to these individuals.

Let's assume that the NFL does insitute a "D league" and the top HS players bypass college.  Does that mean no one will watch Alabama or Nebraska play football?  No, that is ridiculous.  They will be just as successful.
 
2013-09-26 04:54:29 PM  
Unless you de-emphasize athletics, like the Ivy League schools did, you will always be the minor league system for the NFL and NBA. You cannot complain about "students" who are only on campus to showcase their athletic talents when you do not truely enforce acedemic standards upon those "students". Standford and Vandy participate in major college sports while maintaining a serious acedemic presence that the students must adhere to. Notice when I mention students at Standford and Vandy I don't put them in quotation marks.

So either accept that you are a feeder program and make bank off of it as long as possible or be the institution of higher learning that you claim to be. Your move commish.
 
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