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(Talking Points Memo)   Old and Busted Iranian: "Jews committed the Holocaust" New Hot Iranian: "What the Nazis did to the Jews was reprehensible" Christ, between him and the pope, we've entered a golden age of leadership   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 28
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2013-09-26 11:23:44 AM
7 votes:

bloatboy: Deep Contact: I think Iran used to say there was no holocaust.

They would say that. And in the next sentence, complain that Hitler should've have worked harder to finish the job.

I wouldn't be surprised if, in Arabic, they are now saying, "What the Nazis did to the Jews was reprehensible, because they didn't work hard enough to extinguish all of them."

Although, I'd feel better about the world if they were saying the same thing internally as they are to us (the positive statement, that is).


I think the first step to understanding anything about Iran is to know that Iranians speak Farsi and not Arabic and consider themselves to be Persians and not Arabs.
2013-09-26 10:55:46 AM
4 votes:

valar_morghulis: Is the bar so low for Iran that finally acknowledging what the world has held as fact for 75 years means they elected a Kennedy?


Pretty much, yep.

Because once you admit the Holocaust was real, you're about a half-step away from admitting that Israel has a reason to exist, and that puts you on a really slippery slope towards tolerance.
2013-09-26 10:53:29 AM
4 votes:
Is the bar so low for Iran that finally acknowledging what the world has held as fact for 75 years means they elected a Kennedy?
2013-09-26 11:47:43 AM
2 votes:
At least the Israeli delegate walked out beforehand and dismissed outright any thoughts of reconciliation with Iran.

I wonder why they would do that?  What would the Israeli government have to lo$e if there were peace in the middle east?
2013-09-26 11:07:59 AM
2 votes:
Led by our own shining star, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Barack Obama and his dazzling sidekick Shotgun Joe Biden!  Throw in Boehner, Cruz Missile, and Rapey Akin, and I don't see why we even bother with elections!

valar_morghulis: Is the bar so low for Iran that finally acknowledging what the world has held as fact for 75 years means they elected a Kennedy?


The date-rapist-drug-addict-who-got-us-into-Vietnam Kennedy?  Or the drive-off-a-bridge-drunk, leave-a-girl-to-drown-and-lie-about-it Kennedy?

/And I think I've gotten out all my nihilism for the day.
2013-09-26 11:05:21 AM
2 votes:

Phineas: Now if we got the Islamic Pope to condemn violence we'd be all set!


or at least the Ayatollah.

and that could happen. if Israel was to give up it's expansionism and quit occupying Palestine.
2013-09-26 11:03:10 AM
2 votes:

bim1154: Didn't the new pope can someone for their liberal views?


Well, more like their liberal views led them to split off from the church, which is concerned heresy, and thus they were canned.   But you can engage in cause-effect convolution to come to that answer, yes.
2013-09-26 10:55:59 AM
2 votes:
Now let's get their nemesis to acknowledge that their nuclear stockpile is real as well.
2013-09-26 10:54:39 AM
2 votes:
Golden age of leadership, or the golden age of people in leadership positions who happen to have good PR teams?

/new boss, same as the old
//until he starts BEHAVING differently, his words mean jack
2013-09-26 10:54:14 AM
2 votes:
What about what Iran did to its own people in 2010?
2013-09-26 01:49:03 PM
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: Carousel Beast: The One True TheDavid:

*snip*

This quote is rarely so appropriate as it is for your post:

Mr. Madison, what you've just said;... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard...

Yeah yeah, keep telling yourself that. (That's what "they" want you to think!)

So which did you do first, click the follow-up button or hunt down the nifty obscure film quote? Can't you just quote the Simpsons like the rest of the hipsters elite at the kewl kidz table?


Sure, when you can be honest enough to stop hiding your anti-Semitic bigotry behind feigned ignorance of history.

/I've never watched the Simpsons
//Not hipster, just the way it worked out
2013-09-26 12:57:28 PM
1 votes:
The One True TheDavid:

*snip*

This quote is rarely so appropriate as it is for your post:

Mr. Madison, what you've just said;... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...
2013-09-26 12:52:36 PM
1 votes:

Gonz: once you admit the Holocaust was real, you're about a half-step away from admitting that Israel has a reason to exist


So without the holocaust there would have been no Israel? If that's the case, then if there were no holocaust some Zionist conspiracy would have had to invent it.

No, I don't doubt the Holocaust. What I question is the linkage, in a "correlation is not causation" kind of thing. That "no Holocaust, no Israel" argument assumes that the world is such a horrible place that people won't do the right thing until they've exhausted every other option, including committing genocide themselves or at least aiding and abetting it. And it's not that I'm sure people ain't so horrible and stupid, it's that I don't want to think y'all are. It already takes high doses of two antidepressants for me to get out among you to shop for groceries and go to the library -- one reason I'm home to spend so much time on Fark.

To disagree with Goldhagen in Hitler's Willing Executioners, the biggest cause was there was a very popular armed and dangerous movement so devoted to hating Jews that people could forget their mundane disgruntlements by submerging them into the anti-Jew crusade. Because, the argument goes, people are such shiat that they're always looking for an excuse to "holocaust" somebody. It could even be that the "scapegoat" argument is backward, that people let things get incredibly farked up so they'll have an excuse to scapegoat somebody for something.

And e.g., in practical terms the differences between Nazi death camps and the California prison system are those of language and degree: they don't yet use the media to openly preach hatred unto death against blacks and Latinos, and they don't yet "arrest" and murder most of them.

Ever since I was a kid it's been less painful to hold that in this regard the human brain is a blank slate, that such horrible evils are grown in us through "Nurture" by our societies and their leaders, instead of being "just human nature that will never change."

It's time to take my medication. You know, those sweet little pills that help me pretend you people aren't monsters, and that I'm not just in denial about being as monstrous as you are.

Anyway.

By the way, if the God of the "Old Testament" does exist and that book sets down something akin in some way to truth or at least fact, His relationship with His chosen people is just wife-beating writ large: in fact He does say in several places that the Israelites "Just. Don't. Farking. Listen!" And a lot of Judaism boils down to "But He's really sweet and loving! Really! You just don't understand Him like we do. It's really our fault: He beats us because He loves us and wants us to do better!"

The history of "Western Civ" would be very different if the Christians didn't try so hard to piggyback on the Jews, if they'd come up with a gospel of hope & change without using the Hebrew Bible and without that stuff about "fulfilling its prophecies." Indeed if it weren't for Christian use of The Old Testament that disgusting little anthology would be nothing but the obscure little scripture of an obscure little sect, on the order of the "Circle 7 Koran." And, as the "real" Quran and Muslim theology admits, without Christianity & Christ and Judaism & Moses there would be no Muhammad and no Islam. Thanks a lot, guys. No really, you shouldn't have. In fact the Hebrew Bible itself shows the evolution of a series of theologies going back to the Hebrew ravings of some crazy village idiots.1

You'd think if there ever was a real and true religion it would come out of nothing, or from outer space or something, that it wouldn't nothing but a "New! Improved!" version of previous religions and their doctrines.2

Come on people, try a little harder to live up to your potential.

L'Chaim!

1 And no my long digressions at Fark do NOT resemble that remark in any way, I swear!1!! Now you get that right out of your mind or I'll have my daddy send you to Aitch E Double Toothpicks!!!!!! (Truth is I'm just not smart enough to rave in any language but Murkin.)

2. I had Raelism in mind when I first typed that but now on double-checking I see even they use the Hebrew Bible as some kind of reference, what with the Elohim and such. (And irony of ironies, the prophet of this religion that uses the swastika inside the Star of David was born and raised a Catholic in Vichy.) So now the only new religion from outer space that comes to mind is $cientology; if that's the best y'all can do you should just give it up.
2013-09-26 11:55:48 AM
1 votes:
The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves:
What about what Iran did to its own people in 2010?

Ahmadinajad did what the mullahs hired him to do - suppress, torture and murder a significant portion of the country's well-educated, urban dissenters.  Now they need a softer touch to placate the bellicose Americans and their allies.  Rinse and repeat: in a few years once they've avoided war and lured a few more progressives out of hiding, they'll "elect" another psychopath to wash the streets with blood.
2013-09-26 11:50:10 AM
1 votes:

stonelotus: vygramul: dalovindj: Men will never be free until the last king isstrangled with the entrailsof the last priest.

Man will no longer be man, but some other being, because so long as there's greed, lust for power, and avarice, so long as there's ignorance, stupidity, and gullibility, men will prey upon one another and you will get "leaders". And so long as men remain fearful beasts, there will be religion.

that's why...


...I'm The Goddamn Batman.


*narrows eyes*
2013-09-26 11:48:54 AM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Golden age of leadership, or the golden age of people in leadership positions who happen to have good PR teams?

/new boss, same as the old
//until he starts BEHAVING differently, his words mean jack


Especially when his boss is the same as the old ones.
2013-09-26 11:47:13 AM
1 votes:

dalovindj: Men will never be free until the last king isstrangled with the entrailsof the last priest.


FTFY
2013-09-26 11:45:36 AM
1 votes:

Gonz: valar_morghulis: Is the bar so low for Iran that finally acknowledging what the world has held as fact for 75 years means they elected a Kennedy?

Pretty much, yep.

Because once you admit the Holocaust was real, you're about a half-step away from admitting that Israel has a reason to exist, and that puts you on a really slippery slope towards tolerance.


A bit more than a half-step, really.  If Israel had been carved out of Germany?  Yeah, that's a half-step or less.

However, Israel did fight a war to claim the land, so the Holocaust really has nothing to do with their legitimacy.
2013-09-26 11:38:25 AM
1 votes:
The question I have is, why are the clerics suddenly allowing this new message to be sent?
2013-09-26 11:33:49 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: ikanreed: bim1154: Didn't the new pope can someone for their liberal views?

Well, more like their liberal views led them to split off from the church, which is concerned heresy, and thus they were canned.   But you can engage in cause-effect convolution to come to that answer, yes.

Not just canned, but excommunicated.


Well, I think god is a fiction created by ignorant cave-people, and I can't even get myself excommunicated.  (I think I told enough catholic priests that, I would eventually get there)
2013-09-26 11:19:41 AM
1 votes:

valar_morghulis: Is the bar so low for Iran that finally acknowledging what the world has held as fact for 75 years means they elected a Kennedy?


How many Americans don't believe in evolution exactly? Or the moon landing? At this day and age I'm pleasantly surprised when people acknowledge science is a good thing.
2013-09-26 11:18:13 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: Phineas: Now if we got the Islamic Pope to condemn violence we'd be all set!

or at least the Ayatollah.

and that could happen. if Israel was to give up it's expansionism and quit occupying Palestine.



0/10 trolling attempt
2013-09-26 11:16:31 AM
1 votes:

bloatboy: They would say that. And in the next sentence, complain that Hitler should've have worked harder to finish the job.


The Neonazis are frequently no different. Jews should be destroyed. Jews are behind all the problems. Hitler was innocent...

...then why do you guys like him so much if he was such a pansy and, despite holding most of Europe in his power, did NOTHING about the Jews?
2013-09-26 11:14:39 AM
1 votes:

dalovindj: Men will never be free until the last king isstrangled with the entrailsof the last priest.


Man will no longer be man, but some other being, because so long as there's greed, lust for power, and avarice, so long as there's ignorance, stupidity, and gullibility, men will prey upon one another and you will get "leaders". And so long as men remain fearful beasts, there will be religion.
2013-09-26 11:13:11 AM
1 votes:
Hudna, Subby. Hudna
2013-09-26 11:09:12 AM
1 votes:

ikanreed: bim1154: Didn't the new pope can someone for their liberal views?

Well, more like their liberal views led them to split off from the church, which is concerned heresy, and thus they were canned.   But you can engage in cause-effect convolution to come to that answer, yes.


Not just canned, but excommunicated.
2013-09-26 11:05:39 AM
1 votes:

Gonz: valar_morghulis: Is the bar so low for Iran that finally acknowledging what the world has held as fact for 75 years means they elected a Kennedy?

Pretty much, yep.

Because once you admit the Holocaust was real, you're about a half-step away from admitting that Israel has a reason to exist, and that puts you on a really slippery slope towards tolerance.


The culture of Iran, at least what they portray to the people there, is that the holocaust was actually Jewish propaganda. It ties in with their "Jews are responsible for everything bad!" narrative.

That's not to say that most Iranian citizens believe that tripe.
2013-09-26 11:03:50 AM
1 votes:
Men will never be free until the last king isstrangled with the entrailsof the last priest.
 
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