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(Athlon Sports)   The biggest reasons the New York Giants are so terrible...miraculously, they narrowed it down to just five reasons   (athlonsports.com ) divider line
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2013-09-26 10:16:27 AM  
They have the most overrated QB in the NFL?

/dnrtfa
 
2013-09-26 10:17:23 AM  
Dammit, stop talking about Giant-pocalypse. We need to get past them Sunday first.
 
2013-09-26 10:19:25 AM  
1. O-line
2. D-line
3. O-line
4. D-line
5. ... Eli? Wait, no, his problems stem from the O-line. So, um, overly aggressive "Get-back" Coach? Bad Gatorade? Special teams gunners not keeping contain? Long-snapping? Oh- poor fundamental tackling. Yeah.
 
2013-09-26 10:23:12 AM  
They aren't really that bad. I expect them to beat the Chiefs this week (in part because the Chiefs aren't that good, either). Too much attention is paid to wins and losses.
 
2013-09-26 10:27:07 AM  

Beerguy: They have the most overrated QB in the NFL?

/dnrtfa


The Giant's passing game is probably the best part of the team right now. No QB will play well when they have an O-line made out of wet toilet paper.

There's a rumor that Nicks may be traded to the Lions. Giants should do it since they can't afford Nicks this off-season anyways. The season is lost.
 
2013-09-26 10:27:36 AM  
did they just name the 5 offensive linemen?
 
2013-09-26 10:29:06 AM  

yumpizza: There's a rumor that Nicks may be traded to the Lions.


if they were the Mets, they'd trade him for the kid with the broken arm.
 
2013-09-26 10:33:21 AM  

Beerguy: They have the most overrated QB in the NFL?

/dnrtfa


Tim Tebow isn't on the Giants.
 
2013-09-26 10:35:30 AM  

ManateeGag: Beerguy: They have the most overrated QB in the NFL?

/dnrtfa

Tim Tebow isn't on the Giants.


Or Flacco
 
2013-09-26 10:38:55 AM  

Lost Thought 00: They aren't really that bad. I expect them to beat the Chiefs this week (in part because the Chiefs aren't that good, either). Too much attention is paid to wins and losses.


I agree.  We need more 3-13 teams in the Super Bowl. It's just not fair the way things are now.
 
2013-09-26 10:39:56 AM  

ManateeGag: Beerguy: They have the most overrated QB in the NFL?

/dnrtfa

Tim Tebow isn't on the Giants.


Tebow isn't in the NFL now.
 
2013-09-26 10:42:47 AM  

ManateeGag: Beerguy: They have the most overrated QB in the NFL?

/dnrtfa

Tim Tebow isn't on the Giants.


Tim Tebow isn't in the NFL either.
 
2013-09-26 10:44:52 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lost Thought 00: They aren't really that bad. I expect them to beat the Chiefs this week (in part because the Chiefs aren't that good, either). Too much attention is paid to wins and losses.

I agree.  We need more 3-13 teams in the Super Bowl. It's just not fair the way things are now.


*sigh* sure, fine. Every 3-0 team right now is guaranteed to make the Super Bowl. It's just a fact.

/Wins only tell you about the past. They are not predictive.
 
2013-09-26 11:12:45 AM  

Lost Thought 00: /Wins only tell you about the past. They are not predictive.


They're not strictly predictive, but they're highly coorelative. Teams that have won games in the past tend to win more games in the future, since winning games is, by definition, what a good team does.
 
2013-09-26 11:27:55 AM  

Gonz: Lost Thought 00: /Wins only tell you about the past. They are not predictive.

They're not strictly predictive, but they're highly coorelative. Teams that have won games in the past tend to win more games in the future, since winning games is, by definition, what a good team does.


At best, they are an imperfect amalgamation of other stats, but have very high variance due to their limited number (compared to say, the number of plays run). There is nothing wins can tell you that other stats cannot, other than playoff seeding.
 
2013-09-26 11:43:31 AM  
1. The health of the offensive line - This is really the whole ball game for a team built around an elite quarterback and an incredibly talented trio of receivers.

[ohlawd.jpg]

I'm out of here.
 
2013-09-26 11:50:14 AM  
the giants are the textbook definition of a team built to peak, but not last... that and the whole super bowl host curse, great time for any franchise to get a new HC and start the roster over
 
2013-09-26 12:57:34 PM  
So how long until Coughlin is on the "hot seat" and then the G-men go 9-7, sneak into the playoffs and take out the Patriots in the superbowl.
 
2013-09-26 01:14:29 PM  

Lost Thought 00: At best, they are an imperfect amalgamation of other stats, but have very high variance due to their limited number (compared to say, the number of plays run). There is nothing wins can tell you that other stats cannot, other than playoff seeding.


They've scored the 6th fewest points in the NFL and given up the most by a lot.  They'll probably turn the ball over less because there's no way they can turn it over more but they're not good.  Their only saving grace is that the NFC East is farking awful.
 
2013-09-26 01:18:29 PM  

Ted_Crisp: So how long until Coughlin is on the "hot seat" and then the G-men go 9-7, sneak into the playoffs and take out the Patriots in the superbowl.


well there have been 5 super bowl rematches ever, and only one went to 3 super bowls and it took 17 years for that to happen

so maybe the ghost of Coughlin will be coaching that rematch
 
2013-09-26 01:28:04 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Too much attention is paid to wins and losses.


How about losing 38-0 to the Panthers?
 
2013-09-26 01:37:48 PM  

IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Too much attention is paid to wins and losses.

How about losing 38-0 to the Panthers?


Or giving up 6 sacks in essentially the first quarter?
 
2013-09-26 01:39:46 PM  

IAmRight: Lost Thought 00: Too much attention is paid to wins and losses.

How about losing 38-0 to the Panthers?


I've been a Giants fan almost my entire life and I can honestly say I have never felt more defeated or embarassed to say that than this week.

And what's got me more annoyed is I don't think they've done one piddling thing to fix it at all. The NFC East is so bad the Giants are NOT far from righting the ship, but they gotta start fixing things - perhaps by starting with the least imaginative OC in the league, the inflexible Killdrive?

No, nothing.

Anyone else got a good, slightly-underdog-but-well-coached-with-a-quarterback-that-resembles-a -human-version-of-Derpy-Hooves team I could root for until the Giants get their shat togeather?
 
2013-09-26 01:57:28 PM  

yumpizza: The Giant's passing game is probably the best part of the team right now. No QB will play well when they have an O-line made out of wet toilet paper.


Yup... Eli keeps getting those completions, even if they are to the other team!
 
2013-09-26 02:41:57 PM  

OSULugan: yumpizza: The Giant's passing game is probably the best part of the team right now. No QB will play well when they have an O-line made out of wet toilet paper.

Yup... Eli keeps getting those completions, even if they are to the other team!


Brady or Breeze would probably be throwing as many if they were in danger of being run over EVERY down.
 
2013-09-26 03:00:02 PM  

Super_pope: OSULugan: yumpizza: The Giant's passing game is probably the best part of the team right now. No QB will play well when they have an O-line made out of wet toilet paper.

Yup... Eli keeps getting those completions, even if they are to the other team!

Brady or Breeze would probably be throwing as many if they were in danger of being run over EVERY down.


Funny how that's not a legitimate excuse for other QBs, but when it comes to Eli (who has thrown more INTs than anyone else in the entire NFL since he came into the league) throwing no-doubters to defenders at a rate of 3 per game it's a legitimate defense.
 
2013-09-26 03:19:59 PM  

Treygreen13: Funny how that's not a legitimate excuse for other QBs


Uh... it would be.  There aren't any elite QBs like that playing behind TOTALLY maimed-up or just bad offensive linemen.  If Tom Brady were throwing 3 INTs a game behind an O-Line that had him getting sacked 6 times a game, I wouldn't hold it against him.  Hell I'd be thinking he should run for the hills while he still has his health and live off his wife.
 
2013-09-26 03:21:12 PM  
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/Giants fan
//Manningface :(
 
2013-09-26 03:32:46 PM  

Super_pope: Treygreen13: Funny how that's not a legitimate excuse for other QBs

Uh... it would be.  There aren't any elite QBs like that playing behind TOTALLY maimed-up or just bad offensive linemen.  If Tom Brady were throwing 3 INTs a game behind an O-Line that had him getting sacked 6 times a game, I wouldn't hold it against him.  Hell I'd be thinking he should run for the hills while he still has his health and live off his wife.


it depends on how well the skill positions can deal with a blitz basically, as well as what formations are being used to deal with the shorter window to throw because a bad o-line is basically like being blitzed on every play

a mobile QB makes a huge difference, Aaron Rodgers was sacked 55 times last year but the team still got a wild card spot

if you don't have a mobile QB, then you've got to compress every down to 5-10 yard dump offs basically, otherwise you're just losing yardage waiting for guys to get open and getting sacked... and forget running the ball at the line, you're better off checking the ball down to the running back every down at that point

if you don't have the skill positions to do all that, you're looking at an awful season where every game against a decent defense looks like the patriots against the bears in the 85 super bowl
 
2013-09-26 06:09:44 PM  

AdamK: Super_pope: Treygreen13: Funny how that's not a legitimate excuse for other QBs

Uh... it would be.  There aren't any elite QBs like that playing behind TOTALLY maimed-up or just bad offensive linemen.  If Tom Brady were throwing 3 INTs a game behind an O-Line that had him getting sacked 6 times a game, I wouldn't hold it against him.  Hell I'd be thinking he should run for the hills while he still has his health and live off his wife.

it depends on how well the skill positions can deal with a blitz basically, as well as what formations are being used to deal with the shorter window to throw because a bad o-line is basically like being blitzed on every play

a mobile QB makes a huge difference, Aaron Rodgers was sacked 55 times last year but the team still got a wild card spot

if you don't have a mobile QB, then you've got to compress every down to 5-10 yard dump offs basically, otherwise you're just losing yardage waiting for guys to get open and getting sacked... and forget running the ball at the line, you're better off checking the ball down to the running back every down at that point

if you don't have the skill positions to do all that, you're looking at an awful season where every game against a decent defense looks like the patriots against the bears in the 85 super bowl


Wild card spot? Might want to.... Discount Double check that
 
2013-09-26 07:51:24 PM  

Super_pope: If Tom Brady were throwing 3 INTs a game behind an O-Line that had him getting sacked 6 times a game, I wouldn't hold it against him.


Why? Rodgers got sacked nearly that often and didn't throw multiple INTs in a single game. Also, Eli's had one of the best lines in the league for basically his whole career. What's his excuse for the other two times he led the league in INTs?
 
2013-09-26 11:15:01 PM  

Treygreen13: Super_pope: OSULugan: yumpizza: The Giant's passing game is probably the best part of the team right now. No QB will play well when they have an O-line made out of wet toilet paper.

Yup... Eli keeps getting those completions, even if they are to the other team!

Brady or Breeze would probably be throwing as many if they were in danger of being run over EVERY down.

Funny how that's not a legitimate excuse for other QBs, but when it comes to Eli (who has thrown more INTs than anyone else in the entire NFL since he came into the league) throwing no-doubters to defenders at a rate of 3 per game it's a legitimate defense.


It should be noted, however, that since Eli has come into the league, no one else has also played as much as him. He's third all time in starts. The only people ahead of him? Farve and his brother - who are Jedi Masters of at the QB position. After him the next active is Phillip Rivers - who's done nothing his entire career - and after that is way way way down, Flacco.

It's a throwing league, Lots of time on the field, lots of chances to make mistakes. And yes, Eli is not the world's most accurate passer. Boo-hoo. He's also got two rings, and lead two 4th quarter Super Bowl come-backs. The guy wins when it counts. He's not a god-like QB like his brother or Brady. He's still great, I still love him, and wouldn't have another QB.

/still wants to commission someone to draw Derpy in a Giants helmet and an Eli jersey.
//I just don't know what went wrong.... oh, no o-line. That's what went wrong.
 
2013-09-27 01:44:59 AM  
They really didn't need to go much past the O-line. It is farking awful. Eli is running for his life back there.
 
2013-09-27 12:42:01 PM  
D'aww, for the first time in his career Eli doesn't have one of the best lines in the league and can't handle it. Welcome to what the rest of the league has had to deal with.
 
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