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2013-09-26 08:37:18 AM
Been done. Oh, wait. What?   www.lizardfish.co.uk
 
2013-09-26 08:38:04 AM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-26 08:39:53 AM
The New Normal did it.

thecavenderdiary.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-26 08:43:41 AM
It has nothing to do with them being two guys. Nobody wants to think about a ginger and a fatty having sex.
 
2013-09-26 08:46:54 AM

colinspooky: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Yup.
 
2013-09-26 08:51:18 AM
It would help if the uneducated halfwits who present themselves as media critics these days would actually take an hour or two to learn even a miniscule amount about the media they're purporting to critique. Oh, but that might require more than a 10 second Google search, what am I thinking? So, actually, good job, Katie, gooooood jobs. You're written another Very Special Article, we're all proud of you. Hey, maybe your next column could be something like "The Six Least Appropriate Uses of Dr. Seuss Stories." You could get in the Ted Cruz angle easily enough, and I'm sure you could find at least 1 or 2 gender angles to exploit.
 
2013-09-26 08:56:38 AM
Wasn't there an episode of Will & Grace where Jack and Will woke up in the same bed full of morning after regret?  I seem to remember this.
 
2013-09-26 09:08:31 AM

Tom_Slick: Wasn't there an episode of Will & Grace where Jack and Will woke up in the same bed full of morning after regret?  I seem to remember this.


I have a rough time trying to explain that one to the kids.
 
2013-09-26 09:25:53 AM

vudukungfu: Tom_Slick: Wasn't there an episode of Will & Grace where Jack and Will woke up in the same bed full of morning after regret?  I seem to remember this.

I have a rough time trying to explain that one to the kids.


You see kids sometimes sleeping in the same bed seems like a good idea after a party, but things can get a very awkward the next morning, so if you wouldn't sleep in the same bed with somebody normally, don't do it after a party.
 
2013-09-26 09:27:44 AM
But not if they're married. Married people having sex is unrealistic.
 
2013-09-26 09:37:04 AM

Diogenes: The New Normal did it.

[thecavenderdiary.files.wordpress.com image 601x409]


Which tells you how ignored that show was.

And as stated above, I think this person is forgetting some scenes from W&G.

I think the person was trying to make some sort of bigger point, when the real point was just about MF itself, and why they haven't broached it, since it is a hit comedy in its 4th or 5th season.
 
2013-09-26 09:41:31 AM

dletter: I think the person was trying to make some sort of bigger point, when the real point was just about MF itself, and why they haven't broached it, since it is a hit comedy in its 4th or 5th season.


Yes he is blaming society as whole, rather than the writers or the network.
 
2013-09-26 09:45:17 AM

dletter: Diogenes: The New Normal did it.

[thecavenderdiary.files.wordpress.com image 601x409]

Which tells you how ignored that show was.

And as stated above, I think this person is forgetting some scenes from W&G.

I think the person was trying to make some sort of bigger point, when the real point was just about MF itself, and why they haven't broached it, since it is a hit comedy in its 4th or 5th season.


MF also isn't "gay-centric" like those others.
 
2013-09-26 09:49:00 AM
During the 90s my gf at the time subjected me to Melrose Place or one of those shows and the show had a gay couple in it. They never kissed on screen, they only hugged which struck me as even more odd.
 
2013-09-26 09:52:52 AM
Imagine Cam and Mitch, the exhausted parents of a young child, finally making time for sex when - all of a sudden, shirts rumpled, pants hastily refastened - one of them has to run out of the bedroom to check on their crying daughter, Lily. A humiliated glance is exchanged with the camera. The audience laughs. And ... scene.

Well thank god Katie isn't writing for the show because that's just awful.
 
2013-09-26 09:54:59 AM
www.angelfire.lycos.com

Such was done more than ten years ago.
 
2013-09-26 09:56:02 AM
How irritating.


media.tumblr.com

Attempting from a different source.
 
2013-09-26 09:58:17 AM

JerseyTim: But not if they're married. Married people having sex is unrealistic.


Isn't the show in California so not married yet. It wouldn't surprise me though if they did a show around the Supreme Court decision and this year's sweeps was the wedding. Wedding episodes are big ratings.


/then again, Simpsons did it, Simpsons did it
 
2013-09-26 10:09:53 AM
Buffy did it already. And I'd much rather have that than the Torchwood Miracle Day version of showing that gay people have sex. I was a bit unprepared for that one.
 
2013-09-26 10:11:10 AM

Pocket Ninja: It would help if the uneducated halfwits who present themselves as media critics these days would actually take an hour or two to learn even a miniscule amount about the media they're purporting to critique. Oh, but that might require more than a 10 second Google search, what am I thinking? So, actually, good job, Katie, gooooood jobs. You're written another Very Special Article, we're all proud of you. Hey, maybe your next column could be something like "The Six Least Appropriate Uses of Dr. Seuss Stories." You could get in the Ted Cruz angle easily enough, and I'm sure you could find at least 1 or 2 gender angles to exploit.


And we're done. +1 more internets pocket.
 
2013-09-26 10:17:15 AM
But only the gay wimmins, amirite?
 
2013-09-26 10:25:08 AM
This is a show where supposedly middle class people live like high rollers, so is the writer really surprised?
 
2013-09-26 10:26:48 AM
img.fark.net
 
2013-09-26 10:28:09 AM
Clark Kent had breakfast with Jimmy Olsen so people wouldn't get the wrong idea about him and Lois Lane.
 
2013-09-26 10:28:37 AM
Ever since Cliff Huxtable I get creeped out watching any sitcom characters cheesily "get it on". *shudder*
 
2013-09-26 10:44:13 AM

thornhill: This is a show where supposedly middle class people live like high rollers, so is the writer really surprised?


Lawyer, Realtor, High-end Housing Manufacturer.  I never got the sense that the characters in Modern Family are middle class.

You want to complain about living situations, let's figure out how four people, only one of whom has a regular job above the rank of bartender, can afford a 3,000 square foot apartment in Los Angeles.
 
2013-09-26 10:45:58 AM
is this the thread where gay people claim that many male gay couples don't even HAVE or LIKE anal sex, and that most male gays only engage in oral?

because bullshiat.
 
2013-09-26 10:50:38 AM
Well, talk about your worthy concerns, showing TV characters in bed.   You're like a one-woman Stonewall riot.   Except completely vapid and boring and unable to write anything worthwhile.
 
2013-09-26 10:51:12 AM
No, No, No. Only attractive females because everything else is "yucky", to quote niece, and nobody want to see even implied yucky.
 
2013-09-26 10:54:14 AM

frepnog: is this the thread where gay people claim that many male gay couples don't even HAVE or LIKE anal sex, and that most male gays only engage in oral?



I don't think that's this thread.  I don't think that's any thread.
 
2013-09-26 10:54:32 AM

hasty ambush: No, No, No. Only attractive females because everything else is "yucky", to quote niece, and nobody want to see even implied yucky.


you realize that this is actually accurate, right?
 
2013-09-26 10:57:08 AM
I think this speaks less to gay sex (that's a situation which, as noted above, is mostly limited to Modern Family) and more to a dearth of gay characters on network television in general.  I mean, how many are there right now?  Off the top of my head, I can only think of a few:

Modern Family: Cam & Mitchell
Suburgatory: Dahlia (probably)
Brooklyn Nine-Nine: Andre Braugher's character (though we only know that because he repeats it every episode)
Glee: Kurt and Blaine

That's all I can think of.  And the Glee characters very clearly have had sex, there was a whole episode written around their first time.

There are probably some I'm missing (I can't watch everything), but that's a pretty small sample, especially for procedurals, where there isn't really a need for every character to be straight.
 
2013-09-26 10:59:03 AM

rugman11: thornhill: This is a show where supposedly middle class people live like high rollers, so is the writer really surprised?

Lawyer, Realtor, High-end Housing Manufacturer.  I never got the sense that the characters in Modern Family are middle class.

You want to complain about living situations, let's figure out how four people, only one of whom has a regular job above the rank of bartender, can afford a 3,000 square foot apartment in Los Angeles.


The ethos of the show is that this is what the "modern" American family looks like in the 2010s, or at least, what it is becoming -- interracial marriage, same sex with adopted kids, stay at home dad, etc. Or to put it another way, the family of the 2010s looks very different than what was depicted on TV in the 1950s.

It's a bit ridiculous to proclaim that a show is about how much the American family has changed/is changing when the economics of parenthood are completely ignored. And in that way, the show's depiction of the American family hasn't changed that much since the 1950s -- few shows have really dealt with the economics.
 
2013-09-26 10:59:22 AM

frepnog: hasty ambush: No, No, No. Only attractive females because everything else is "yucky", to quote niece, and nobody want to see even implied yucky.

you realize that this is actually accurate, right?


Yes.  My niece is a marketing major.  (Could have been worse she wanted to major in  sociology but her dad refused to pay for that)
 
2013-09-26 10:59:32 AM

frepnog: is this the thread where gay people claim that many male gay couples don't even HAVE or LIKE anal sex, and that most male gays only engage in oral?

because bullshiat.


I'm being penetrated right now, so get a kick...
 
2013-09-26 11:02:27 AM
The only way to know for sure that a couple is having sex is if there is a child on the show.  No kid, no sex.
 
2013-09-26 11:03:31 AM

frepnog: hasty ambush: No, No, No. Only attractive females because everything else is "yucky", to quote niece, and nobody want to see even implied yucky.

you realize that this is actually accurate, right?


Yeah, this goes back to the "Mad About You" quote when Paul Reiser is asked by Helen Hunt about "What's the deal with guys and lesbians" and he replies "It's two women and I agree with both of them".

Which, expanding upon that, is why lesbian sex has much less of an "ick" factor (between men and women) than male gay sex..... whatever two women are doing to each other, is what even straight women would want a guy to do to them, there is really nothing going on there that is "off limits"..... whatever two guys are doing to each other, is basically off limits for any straight guy, and not really interesting for most women to do to a guy partner either.   That isn't to say we care if gay people do that, or we want to stop them, or that we don't want them to get married.... we just don't want to see it (and possibly, even have it implied upon us).

I mean, really, the liberal among us are cool with everything gay men want to do, and even give homosexuals marriage rights..... we just don't really want to have to THINK about the actual acts.... I don't think that is asking too much.   Just because you support the rights of something, doesn't mean you want to participate, watch, contemplate, etc. about the said rights.
 
2013-09-26 11:04:00 AM
Because Modern Family ( and I enjoy it) is a caricature of gay life.   The truth is that a gay man has more in common with a straight man than he does with a straight woman or a gay woman.   And it's not like my wife and I have never had anal sex.   Well, not yet.   Get over it.
 
2013-09-26 11:09:41 AM

thornhill: It's a bit ridiculous to proclaim that a show is about how much the American family has changed/is changing when the economics of parenthood are completely ignored. And in that way, the show's depiction of the American family hasn't changed that much since the 1950s -- few shows have really dealt with the economics.


This is true.... just trying to think about what shows have really tried to show low-working class/poverty level families (families meaning "with young kids".... not including things like "Sandford and Son") ....

Good Times
Roseanne
Married With Children

There are probably some others I've forgoten, but, there is a point that the vast majority of comedies show at least a "doing ok" middle class, if not upper middle-class families.   I guess most would say it is hard to make "comedy" out of extremely poor living conditions, kids only eating at school because of school lunches, etc.
 
2013-09-26 11:14:04 AM

dletter: frepnog: hasty ambush: No, No, No. Only attractive females because everything else is "yucky", to quote niece, and nobody want to see even implied yucky.

you realize that this is actually accurate, right?

Yeah, this goes back to the "Mad About You" quote when Paul Reiser is asked by Helen Hunt about "What's the deal with guys and lesbians" and he replies "It's two women and I agree with both of them".

Which, expanding upon that, is why lesbian sex has much less of an "ick" factor (between men and women) than male gay sex..... whatever two women are doing to each other, is what even straight women would want a guy to do to them, there is really nothing going on there that is "off limits"..... whatever two guys are doing to each other, is basically off limits for any straight guy, and not really interesting for most women to do to a guy partner either.   That isn't to say we care if gay people do that, or we want to stop them, or that we don't want them to get married.... we just don't want to see it (and possibly, even have it implied upon us).

I mean, really, the liberal among us are cool with everything gay men want to do, and even give homosexuals marriage rights..... we just don't really want to have to THINK about the actual acts.... I don't think that is asking too much.   Just because you support the rights of something, doesn't mean you want to participate, watch, contemplate, etc. about the said rights.


in easy terms, no one but gay dudes really want to see two gay dudes sucking each other off, kissing, or god forbid having sex, but everyone likes naked chicks.
 
2013-09-26 11:14:53 AM

frepnog: is this the thread where gay people claim that many male gay couples don't even HAVE or LIKE anal sex, and that most male gays only engage in oral?

because bullshiat.


Oh wise sage - do please continue to tell us what our lives are really like.  It's not like we're living them and you're only imagining what they're like.
 
2013-09-26 11:15:20 AM

CarnySaur: frepnog: is this the thread where gay people claim that many male gay couples don't even HAVE or LIKE anal sex, and that most male gays only engage in oral?


I don't think that's this thread.  I don't think that's any thread.


sorry, it happens on fark a lot.  lots of self hating, denying gay guys out there.  had more than one self proclaimed gay farker claim it.
 
2013-09-26 11:15:41 AM
1.  I think it's been done.
2.  Who cares if it hasn't?  TV is a medium for an increasingly older demographic.
 
2013-09-26 11:16:52 AM

dletter: thornhill: It's a bit ridiculous to proclaim that a show is about how much the American family has changed/is changing when the economics of parenthood are completely ignored. And in that way, the show's depiction of the American family hasn't changed that much since the 1950s -- few shows have really dealt with the economics.

This is true.... just trying to think about what shows have really tried to show low-working class/poverty level families (families meaning "with young kids".... not including things like "Sandford and Son") ....

Good Times
Roseanne
Married With Children

There are probably some others I've forgoten, but, there is a point that the vast majority of comedies show at least a "doing ok" middle class, if not upper middle-class families.   I guess most would say it is hard to make "comedy" out of extremely poor living conditions, kids only eating at school because of school lunches, etc.

The Simpsons

did a really good job of this at the start, but around the 8th season they started throwing out all of the "rules" they had set for themselves about the families income.

I'd also give Seinfeld some credit. While everybody lived pretty comfortably -- and a running joke was how well Kramer lived despite not having a job -- the show avoided all of the extravagance and excesses featured in most shows set in NYC (such as the fact that their hang out was a diner rather than some brunch spot in the West Village).
 
2013-09-26 11:17:09 AM

Diogenes: frepnog: is this the thread where gay people claim that many male gay couples don't even HAVE or LIKE anal sex, and that most male gays only engage in oral?

because bullshiat.

Oh wise sage - do please continue to tell us what our lives are really like.  It's not like we're living them and you're only imagining what they're like.


i never claimed it.  i figure gay dudes like banging each other silly just like us hetero guys like banging girls.  i have had more than one gay farker claim it tho.
 
2013-09-26 11:18:46 AM

frepnog: in easy terms, no one but gay dudes really want to see two gay dudes sucking each other off, kissing, or god forbid having sex, but everyone likes naked chicks.


Yes, in easy terms... I am just saying, that it isn't some sort of bigoted reasons for that though, there are very straightforward physical and psychological reasons why that is the case.   And, those reasons play into why we probably haven't seen even anything implied on MF yet.
 
2013-09-26 11:19:11 AM

dletter: thornhill: It's a bit ridiculous to proclaim that a show is about how much the American family has changed/is changing when the economics of parenthood are completely ignored. And in that way, the show's depiction of the American family hasn't changed that much since the 1950s -- few shows have really dealt with the economics.

This is true.... just trying to think about what shows have really tried to show low-working class/poverty level families (families meaning "with young kids".... not including things like "Sandford and Son") ....

Good Times
Roseanne
Married With Children

There are probably some others I've forgoten, but, there is a point that the vast majority of comedies show at least a "doing ok" middle class, if not upper middle-class families.   I guess most would say it is hard to make "comedy" out of extremely poor living conditions, kids only eating at school because of school lunches, etc.


Malcolm in the Middle?
 
2013-09-26 11:22:43 AM

dletter: thornhill: It's a bit ridiculous to proclaim that a show is about how much the American family has changed/is changing when the economics of parenthood are completely ignored. And in that way, the show's depiction of the American family hasn't changed that much since the 1950s -- few shows have really dealt with the economics.

This is true.... just trying to think about what shows have really tried to show low-working class/poverty level families (families meaning "with young kids".... not including things like "Sandford and Son") ....

Good Times
Roseanne
Married With Children

There are probably some others I've forgoten, but, there is a point that the vast majority of comedies show at least a "doing ok" middle class, if not upper middle-class families.   I guess most would say it is hard to make "comedy" out of extremely poor living conditions, kids only eating at school because of school lunches, etc.


Did think of another one.... "Everyone Hates Chris".   I probably am not aware of a few other UPN/WB shows that might have broached the subject.

A point to be made though is, even in those shows, nobody is "going hungry" or anything.... "hard times" are alluded to, but, nothing too bad... but, again, they are supposed to be comedies.
 
2013-09-26 11:24:05 AM
Gay people make up less than 10% of the real world population and 25% of the TV world population.

Just sayin.
 
2013-09-26 11:25:25 AM

dletter: This is true.... just trying to think about what shows have really tried to show low-working class/poverty level families (families meaning "with young kids".... not including things like "Sandford and Son") ....

Good Times
Roseanne
Married With Children


While I can't find anything about their economic status, the family from Malcom in the Middle always seemed like they were lower class.
 
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