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2013-09-26 08:47:47 AM  
The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.
 
2013-09-26 08:54:25 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.


You can take this statement and replace the word "motorcyclists" with almost any plural group noun in the universe and it remains just as true. Bicyclists, vegetarians, Christians, Muslims, hipsters, breast feeders, guitarists, etc etc etc.
 
2013-09-26 08:58:41 AM  
Extremists in loose collaboration with lucrative conservative infotainment markets?
 
2013-09-26 09:19:18 AM  
Campaign contributions?
 
2013-09-26 09:20:07 AM  
Oh!  And bubbles.  Lots of bubbles.
 
2013-09-26 09:32:19 AM  
Because the status quo is safer.
 
2013-09-26 09:36:46 AM  

Pocket Ninja: PC LOAD LETTER: The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.

You can take this statement and replace the word "motorcyclists" with almost any plural group noun in the universe and it remains just as true. Bicyclists, vegetarians, Christians, Muslims, hipsters, breast feeders, guitarists, etc etc etc.


Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that hipsters aren't all assholes? Can't all of us on both sides of the political spectrum just agree on this and let the healing begin?
 
2013-09-26 09:47:11 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Pocket Ninja: PC LOAD LETTER: The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.

You can take this statement and replace the word "motorcyclists" with almost any plural group noun in the universe and it remains just as true. Bicyclists, vegetarians, Christians, Muslims, hipsters, breast feeders, guitarists, etc etc etc.

Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that hipsters aren't all assholes? Can't all of us on both sides of the political spectrum just agree on this and let the healing begin?


Do you think Patton Oswalt is an asshole?
 
2013-09-26 09:49:06 AM  

jaylectricity: Bareefer Obonghit: Pocket Ninja: PC LOAD LETTER: The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.

You can take this statement and replace the word "motorcyclists" with almost any plural group noun in the universe and it remains just as true. Bicyclists, vegetarians, Christians, Muslims, hipsters, breast feeders, guitarists, etc etc etc.

Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that hipsters aren't all assholes? Can't all of us on both sides of the political spectrum just agree on this and let the healing begin?

Do you think Patton Oswalt is an asshole?


Thanks for ruining it for me.
 
2013-09-26 09:49:50 AM  
Because it is easier for bad, inexperienced politicians to fall into a conservative autocratic governing style versus a collaborative democratic governing style.
So, they hear what they want to hear from their constituents.
End result is a bunch of little Hitlers running around.
 
2013-09-26 09:55:43 AM  
someone is electing them.
 
2013-09-26 09:58:05 AM  
Politicians think their constituents are more conservative than they really are. I wonder why?

Because the rich simply can't imagine why people would think differently from themselves, who are heavily invested in maintaining the status quo.
 
2013-09-26 09:59:09 AM  
I suspect even their constituents are not as conservative as they would describe themselves. The decades-long media campaign to turn "liberal" into a dirt word has been immensely successful.
 
2013-09-26 10:00:01 AM  
Confirmation bias? Or is that a Catch-22 scenario?
 
2013-09-26 10:00:24 AM  
Thats a convenient fiction.

Like even though you represent less than twenty percent of your PARTY, you believe 300 million Americans agree with every thing you say.

I'm looking at you 'baggers..
 
MFK
2013-09-26 10:06:39 AM  
I think it has to do with the fact that liberals and progressives vote and elect people and that reflect their values and leave it at that where as conservatives get downright apoplectic at the mere thought that someone doesn't think EXACTLY LIKE THEY DO and therefore biatch and moan to their congresscritters in greater quantity and volume.
 
2013-09-26 10:08:07 AM  
fta How Legislators View Their Constituents

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2013-09-26 10:09:52 AM  
The typical conservative candidate in their survey overestimated the district's conservatism by 20 points. The typical liberal candidate overestimated the conservatism by around 5 percentage points.

This is my shocked face.
 
2013-09-26 10:09:56 AM  

DarnoKonrad: someone is electing them.


Bingo! The dismal numbers each election of how few people are voting is a major problem.

This "my vote don't count" mentality is bad for the country. Granted in some blue states, it doesn't, but where it does matter, people need to do the right thing.

Though, I believe Australia has compulsory voting and they went full retard.
 
2013-09-26 10:11:56 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Though, I believe Australia has compulsory voting and they went full retard.


Yea, I don't like that either, but I could get behind a modest tax credit for voting.  It's more worthy than reproducing.
 
2013-09-26 10:16:46 AM  
Probably has something to do with the fact that groups that tend to be more conservative (old, rich, religious) vote more than groups that tend to be more liberal (young, poor, not religious).  This means that the political beliefs of the voters are likely to be more conservative than the political beliefs of the constituency and politicians are much more concerned about the former than they are about the latter.
 
2013-09-26 10:22:53 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: DarnoKonrad: someone is electing them.

Bingo! The dismal numbers each election of how few people are voting is a major problem.

This "my vote don't count" mentality is bad for the country. Granted in some blue states, it doesn't, but where it does matter, people need to do the right thing.

Though, I believe Australia has compulsory voting and they went full retard.


The kind of people who don't bother showing up for the polls are mostly full retards anyway. Let's please not force them to vote.
 
2013-09-26 10:24:42 AM  

llortcM_yllort: Probably has something to do with the fact that groups that tend to be more conservative (old, rich, religious) vote more than groups that tend to be more liberal (young, poor, not religious).  This means that the political beliefs of the voters are likely to be more conservative than the political beliefs of the constituency and politicians are much more concerned about the former than they are about the latter.


This.
 
2013-09-26 10:27:07 AM  
Just look at Mitt Romney using the unskewed polls guy as a real source of information. These politicians are not above the propaganda vomited out by the right wing media.
 
2013-09-26 10:30:38 AM  
Because liberals are actively opposed to anything that resembles applying pressure to politicians in any way.
 
2013-09-26 10:42:07 AM  
Because librul media?
 
2013-09-26 10:45:18 AM  
Because the actual voters are more conservative than the district as a whole?

Why should a politician pay attention to non-voters?
 
2013-09-26 10:46:58 AM  
Because liberals rarely come to lawmakers' offices dressed as the fife player from "Spirit of '76" demanding the government disband in favor of daily town halls and can you charge up my Jazzy while I'm here since my taxes paid for that outlet!
 
2013-09-26 11:14:35 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Pocket Ninja: PC LOAD LETTER: The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.

You can take this statement and replace the word "motorcyclists" with almost any plural group noun in the universe and it remains just as true. Bicyclists, vegetarians, Christians, Muslims, hipsters, breast feeders, guitarists, etc etc etc.

Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that hipsters aren't all assholes? Can't all of us on both sides of the political spectrum just agree on this and let the healing begin?



Based on no factual information, I don't think anyone thinks of themself as a hipster. Well, except that guy, Steve. I'm guessing hipsters went extinct in 2011 and  the hate is all that is left.
 
2013-09-26 11:15:43 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.


I've wanted a bumper sticker for a long time about that.  "Want me to treat your motorcycle like a car on the road?  Start DRIVING LIKE ONE!"
 
2013-09-26 11:26:14 AM  
How Legislators View Their Constituents

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2013-09-26 11:48:29 AM  
A few years ago I got a phone call from someone doing a survey on how people felt on political issues.  I was in a good mood, so I agreed to answer.  After some bland questions, the girl asked if I was in favor of gay marriage, and I replied "yes."  She was so startled she stuttered, and rephrased the question three times, thinking maybe I didn't understand.
 
2013-09-26 11:57:19 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Because the status quo is safer.


Do you really believe that conservatives actually want the status quo?
 
2013-09-26 11:57:23 AM  

nuqneh: A few years ago I got a phone call from someone doing a survey on how people felt on political issues.  I was in a good mood, so I agreed to answer.  After some bland questions, the girl asked if I was in favor of gay marriage, and I replied "yes."  She was so startled she stuttered, and rephrased the question three times, thinking maybe I didn't understand.


Sounds like amateur hour (probably a push poll).

Professional pollsters are trained to not react. The stories I heard about some of the Kinsey studies said that no matter how disturbing/gross/just plain weird a response was, the interviewers would just blandly go to the next item on the list, e.g.  "And how many times did you do that?"
 
2013-09-26 12:00:43 PM  

MontanaDave: Dusk-You-n-Me: Because the status quo is safer.

Do you really believe that conservatives actually want the status quo?


Do you really believe that conservatives (hell, any average voter) actually knows what they want?

I'm all for democracy, but it has it's inherent flaws.
 
2013-09-26 12:07:37 PM  

MurphyMurphy: MontanaDave: Dusk-You-n-Me: Because the status quo is safer.

Do you really believe that conservatives actually want the status quo?

Do you really believe that conservatives (hell, any average voter) actually knows what they want?

I'm all for democracy, but it has it's inherent flaws.


Democracy and other forms of social organization involves humans. That is the source of those inherent flaws.
 
2013-09-26 12:09:45 PM  
Because a small group of highly motivated lunatics with weapons are extremely noticeable?
 
2013-09-26 12:21:16 PM  

Pocket Ninja: PC LOAD LETTER: The same reason why people think motorcyclists are assholes: The actual assholes are loud and attract undue attention, while the normal people, who are in the majority, are quiet and don't stick out.

You can take this statement and replace the word "motorcyclists" with almost any plural group noun in the universe and it remains just as true. Bicyclists, vegetarians, Christians, Muslims, hipsters, breast feeders, guitarists, etc etc etc.


And kindergarteners. Damn them.
 
2013-09-26 12:24:26 PM  
Because old people are retired and have plenty of time go to town hall meetings and demand that their reps "keep government out of my Medicare."

Whereas middle-class, middle-age voters with moderate views typically have jobs and families to occupy their time.
 
2013-09-26 12:30:43 PM  
Because Democrats/liberals can't be bothered to get off their asses to vote more than once every four years?
 
2013-09-26 12:34:43 PM  
The Disproportionately Loud Majority.
 
2013-09-26 12:36:21 PM  
Remember reading an article a long time ago, talking about the diminishing amount of compromise over the last couple of decades in Washington.  It was posited that the ease of flying meant that, instead of people in Washington spending a lot of time in DC, making the rare trip home, they were flying back to their state or districts often.

Who were they meeting with?  People who either have the vested interest or the time.  Business, and the retired.  Everybody else is working or in class.  Who has the time to take off work to state your views to a congressman?

This is who is in their face, all the time.  Polls aren't trustworthy, and who needs them?  See these constituents visiting me?  They are all saying the same thing!
 
2013-09-26 12:49:13 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Because a small group of highly motivated lunatics with weapons are extremely noticeable?


Or lots of cash.
 
2013-09-26 12:55:29 PM  

Ned Stark: Because liberals are actively opposed to anything that resembles applying pressure to politicians in any way.


This
 
2013-09-26 01:16:28 PM  

draypresct: Because the actual voters are more conservative than the district as a whole?

Why should a politician pay attention to non-voters?


People and things that draypresct questions why a politician should worry themselves about.



media.cleveland.com

Cadmium in children's jewelry.

www.fox21news.com

Melamine in baby formula now found in the US.
But, you know: they don't vote. Screw 'em.
 
2013-09-26 01:22:10 PM  

Zeno-25: The Disproportionately Loud Majority.


"We've had millions of complaints from one or two people" -- that adequately sums up the Parents Television Council's complaints to the FCC. "578 complaints in January, then 505 in February, followed by 179,997 in March" of 2009.

In 2007, there were 240,000 complaints to the FCC. Only 480 of them DIDN'T come from the PTC. 

This will help you visualize that level of [f]right[ened] wing, think of the children, butthurt.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-26 02:45:55 PM  
because politicians tend to be more conservative, being in public life.  (authoritative speakers)
who are often called on by the public and media if they are less than conservative.

Restrictive begets restrictive.

Thus since they are naturally this way, they expect others to be this way.

Ask me next time an intelligent articulate WWF pornstar is voted in
and we'll see how they think the public is truthfully.
 
2013-09-26 02:57:51 PM  

Jackpot777: In 2007, there were 240,000 complaints to the FCC. Only 480 of them DIDN'T come from the PTC.


If only there were some sort of conflagration, in which the PTC might expire as an entity....
 
2013-09-26 09:02:05 PM  
They're stupid?

[reads article]

Yep.
 
2013-09-26 10:04:10 PM  

Deucednuisance: Jackpot777: In 2007, there were 240,000 complaints to the FCC. Only 480 of them DIDN'T come from the PTC.

If only there were some sort of conflagration, in which the PTC might expire as an entity....


The FCC could cut down on their problems if they did an automatic IP ban of anyone with a PTC cookie
 
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