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(Fars News Agency)   You mean to tell me CNN 'mistranslated' Hassan Rouhani's interview and he isn't such a nice guy after all? Well fark me sideways. Here comes the science from Farsnews, the Ayatollah's official propaganda outlet   (english.farsnews.com) divider line 77
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2013-09-26 07:30:42 AM
...okay...
 
2013-09-26 07:35:13 AM
The odor of agenda is strong in this obscure little publication I have never heard of before.
 
2013-09-26 07:35:38 AM
Thank goodness CNN is a bastion of quality journalism.
 
2013-09-26 07:36:53 AM
Does Hassan like to shop?
 
2013-09-26 07:40:29 AM
So we're going with the Iranian propaganda outlet on this one? I mean, I hate CNN too but, yanno.

There might be some unskewing going on here.
 
2013-09-26 07:41:04 AM
Source be damned, if you believe the bullsh*t that the new guy says (or that's being attributed to him), I have some bad news for you.
 
2013-09-26 07:42:12 AM
Well CNN, your turn to make the original unedited video/audio available.
 
2013-09-26 07:46:11 AM
Ayatollah Asshat & Co. are saying they didn't like the way CNN's selective journalism covered for him? Cool.
 
2013-09-26 07:47:12 AM
You know what's misleading? Taking speeches that politicians utter for *internal consumption and pretending it's for *diplomatic consumption.

Imagine if the rest of the world took literally some of the utterances made by certain politicians in the US?.. That's not how international relations work and it's disingenuous at best when native news organisations overblow stupid crap like Holocaust denial.

I know that this interview was for US consumption but the questions (such as the Holocaust) were couched on the basis of years of deliberately framing Iranians as mad mullahs. If Rouhani had said "Holocaust denial is untrue and completely disgusting" he'd have lost votes at home... Just as if some US politician had said "Israel is practising apartheid against Palestinians" would lose votes as well.

I await the fury of heroic US Farkers who wouldn't know context,  diplomacy or International politics if it gang raped them Last Exit to Brooklyn style.


*Phrases used by the UK foreign Office to differentiate what politicians say at home and to the rest of the World.
 
2013-09-26 07:49:38 AM

HotWingConspiracy: So we're going with the Iranian propaganda outlet on this one? I mean, I hate CNN too but, yanno.

There might be some unskewing going on here.


I am not sure if I trust them, but when it comes to the attitude of the Iranian govt it is a great barometer.
 
2013-09-26 07:49:48 AM
Don't the Iranians usualy insist on using their own translator? I could be wrong but I thought I saw Akmadienajad (sp?) do that in an interview.
 
2013-09-26 07:49:59 AM

jso2897: The odor of agenda is strong in this obscure little publication I have never heard of before.


I'm surprised you haven't heard of CNN.
 
2013-09-26 07:52:00 AM
This is like reading the Bible, one must read it in the original language; read it in Hebrew or Greek, to truly understand.
What he said was:
  , . .

 Is it clear now?
 
2013-09-26 07:53:49 AM
See, our two nations do have something in common:  We both know CNN sucks.
 
2013-09-26 07:54:25 AM
more like FARTS news agency
 
2013-09-26 07:56:44 AM
Subby: "Here comes the science from Farsnews, the Ayatollah's official propaganda outlet"

I forget, can somebody remind me who is America's 'official propaganda outlet'? On most days, it seems that they all are.

/The truth is not in any of them
 
2013-09-26 07:56:56 AM
Hey remember how CNN whitewashed Saddam's regime for 10 years after the first war so they wouldn't get kicked out of their Baghdad office?

Probably not.
 
2013-09-26 07:57:03 AM
 
2013-09-26 07:57:03 AM

jonny_q: jso2897: The odor of agenda is strong in this obscure little publication I have never heard of before.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of CNN.


Remember when CNN wasn't a joke?.. The first Gulf War with all their up to the minute updates and exciting video of planes and cruise missiles.. CNN was the god overlord of all news then.. Now anyone with any sense wishes we could get the toothpaste back in the tube and get rid of 24hr news with it's no-news updates and fabrication for ratings and CNN is a laughing stock.
 
2013-09-26 07:58:46 AM
Doesn't matter, I already like this President
 
2013-09-26 07:58:58 AM
It's not news, it's Fars
 
2013-09-26 07:59:23 AM
Why would CNN do such a thing to begin with?


....oh yeah, I forgot for a second.
 
2013-09-26 07:59:34 AM
Maybe it's because I only skimmed over it... but I'm failing to see the problem with the Iranian outlet's translation. He still condemned the crime of the Nazis, and he condemned genocide as a whole. He was a bit less firm than CNN originally reported, but it doesn't change the overall message that much.

I think the Iranians are up in arms about that religion bit that they claim was fabricated, not over the condemnation of the holocaust.
 
2013-09-26 08:01:10 AM

LewDux: Doesn't matter, I already like this President


Yeah, he and the new Pope are both SIGNIFICANT improvements over their predecessors.
 
2013-09-26 08:01:27 AM
As soon as you realize these news agencies are in business to make money and not to report the news, you will continue to be a gullible fool.
 
2013-09-26 08:02:24 AM

jonny_q: jso2897: The odor of agenda is strong in this obscure little publication I have never heard of before.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of CNN.


What's a CNN? Is it something you buy for your television? I wouldn't know; I don't even have a television. I'm too busy rebuilding my bicycles and maintaining my facial hair and banging girls in vintage t-shirts to watch it anyway. If there's a CNN you can buy bound in leather or, better yet, on wood, I'd be interested in that.
 
2013-09-26 08:03:46 AM

LewDux: Doesn't matter, I already like this President


Well I don't know .. no one's seen his birth certificate to say he was born in Iran ..  I've heard rumours he's actually from Denmark.. I mean look at that face and tell me he doesn't like bacon.
 
2013-09-26 08:04:50 AM

Aristocles: I remember when libs tried to tell me that Ahmadinajad never said he wanted to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth"

The libs kept saying it was a mistranslation... when they got told, they switched and said "he was merely quoting this other old Islamic guy"

But that doesn't change the fact that he endorsed the quote.

Looks like the libs are up to their old Islamic Extremist Apologist Antics.


I'd like to wipe you off the face of the Earth.. Do you take that seriously?
 
2013-09-26 08:06:30 AM

Mrfusticle: You know what's misleading? Taking speeches that politicians utter for *internal consumption and pretending it's for *diplomatic consumption.

Imagine if the rest of the world took literally some of the utterances made by certain politicians in the US?.. That's not how international relations work and it's disingenuous at best when native news organisations overblow stupid crap like Holocaust denial.

I know that this interview was for US consumption but the questions (such as the Holocaust) were couched on the basis of years of deliberately framing Iranians as mad mullahs. If Rouhani had said "Holocaust denial is untrue and completely disgusting" he'd have lost votes at home... Just as if some US politician had said "Israel is practising apartheid against Palestinians" would lose votes as well.

I await the fury of heroic US Farkers who wouldn't know context,  diplomacy or International politics if it gang raped them Last Exit to Brooklyn style.


*Phrases used by the UK foreign Office to differentiate what politicians say at home and to the rest of the World.


So, politicians and diplomats lie?

www.skial.com
 
2013-09-26 08:07:17 AM
I posted in Farsi, but nothing!
Fark does not support Farsi?
Fark is a Farsi denier?
 
2013-09-26 08:10:23 AM

Mrfusticle: You know what's misleading? Taking speeches that politicians utter for *internal consumption and pretending it's for *diplomatic consumption.

Imagine if the rest of the world took literally some of the utterances made by certain politicians in the US?


I see you haven't heard about Bachmann, Gohmert, and King's Egypt trip. Plenty of US politicians will travel to other countries to make the same backward comments about them to their face that they tell their base over here.

As far as what Rouhani said; of course it's going to be phrased in a conciliatory manner with Western audiences and in a much less dramatic tone to domestic audiences. Reminds me of Pope Francis: his statements are being viewed by much of the secular world as dramatically different than his predecessors while the Church puts out statements saying that they don't constitute any change in policy for any Catholics alienated by them.
 
2013-09-26 08:11:01 AM
Clearly, this means Obama is weak for pursuing diplomacy instead of bombing Iran.
 
2013-09-26 08:12:09 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: So, politicians and diplomats lie?


You could say that .. Or you could say that there's no such thing as truth in International diplomacy.

Deeplomatic relativity
www.stumpedmagazine.com
 
2013-09-26 08:14:08 AM

Grungehamster: Mrfusticle: You know what's misleading? Taking speeches that politicians utter for *internal consumption and pretending it's for *diplomatic consumption.

Imagine if the rest of the world took literally some of the utterances made by certain politicians in the US?

I see you haven't heard about Bachmann, Gohmert, and King's Egypt trip. Plenty of US politicians will travel to other countries to make the same backward comments about them to their face that they tell their base over here.

As far as what Rouhani said; of course it's going to be phrased in a conciliatory manner with Western audiences and in a much less dramatic tone to domestic audiences. Reminds me of Pope Francis: his statements are being viewed by much of the secular world as dramatically different than his predecessors while the Church puts out statements saying that they don't constitute any change in policy for any Catholics alienated by them.


In any organization that large, tone will always change before policy. See also: DADT, DOMA.
 
2013-09-26 08:16:28 AM

Bslim: Does Hassan like to   schop?


FTFY -- unless I missed the joke

/entirely plausible
 
2013-09-26 08:18:54 AM

Mrfusticle: jonny_q: jso2897: The odor of agenda is strong in this obscure little publication I have never heard of before.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of CNN.

Remember when CNN wasn't a joke?.. The first Gulf War with all their up to the minute updates and exciting video of planes and cruise missiles.. CNN was the god overlord of all news then.. Now anyone with any sense wishes we could get the toothpaste back in the tube and get rid of 24hr news with it's no-news updates and fabrication for ratings and CNN is a laughing stock.


The thing 24 hour news really needs to do is to find a way to create a suitable amount of much more in depth, but less time critical, segments to fill up the majority of the days programming, but which can be pre-empted and played days/weeks later in the case there is really important breaking news. The problem with the current system is just to always be finding trivial stuff to overblow and obsess over whenever there is a lull in the news cycle.
 
2013-09-26 08:21:29 AM

Aristocles: I remember when libs tried to tell me that Ahmadinajad never said he wanted to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth"

The libs kept saying it was a mistranslation... when they got told, they switched and said "he was merely quoting this other old Islamic guy"

But that doesn't change the fact that he endorsed the quote.

Looks like the libs are up to their old Islamic Extremist Apologist Antics.


"Israel will be wiped off the map of the earth" is not the same as "I'd like to, or we will, wipe Israel off the face of the earth." And what Ahmadinejad said is more accurately, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Boilerplate Israel-bashing.

Czechoslovakia, f'rinstance, has vanished from the map, as have the Soviet Union and East Germany, so you have to be looking for a threat in that to see one.

The Iranians are dicks, and they sponsor terrorism, but they're not a direct military threat to anyone, particularly not to a superior military power such as Israel. The right wing in Israel, and the neocons here, are absolutely thirsting for a war with Iran, but I don't think they're gonna get it.
 
2013-09-26 08:23:23 AM

Rhino_man: In any organization that large, tone will always change before policy. See also: DADT, DOMA.


I don't necessarily disagree. The question is then do you assume that the tone is a trial balloon for a policy change or if you assume that it's simply a way to change the optics of a situation without conceding policy ground. It's usually never one or the other with international relations: no country completely turns on a dime in relation to others without a coup/revolution, but at the same time it's rare for countries to see their international relationships achieve stasis.
 
2013-09-26 08:24:44 AM

xria: Mrfusticle: jonny_q: jso2897: The odor of agenda is strong in this obscure little publication I have never heard of before.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of CNN.

Remember when CNN wasn't a joke?.. The first Gulf War with all their up to the minute updates and exciting video of planes and cruise missiles.. CNN was the god overlord of all news then.. Now anyone with any sense wishes we could get the toothpaste back in the tube and get rid of 24hr news with it's no-news updates and fabrication for ratings and CNN is a laughing stock.

The thing 24 hour news really needs to do is to find a way to create a suitable amount of much more in depth, but less time critical, segments to fill up the majority of the days programming, but which can be pre-empted and played days/weeks later in the case there is really important breaking news. The problem with the current system is just to always be finding trivial stuff to overblow and obsess over whenever there is a lull in the news cycle.


This why Al Jazeera and the BBC are watchable. They cover the whole world, rather than just U.S. domestic policy, the international hot spot du jour, and pop culture fluff. They cover soft news too, but in much smaller doses.
 
2013-09-26 08:25:25 AM

mbillips: The Iranians are dicks, and they sponsor terrorism, but they're not a direct military threat to anyone, particularly not to a superior military power such as Israel. The right wing in Israel, and the neocons here, are absolutely thirsting for a war with Iran, but I don't think they're gonna get it.


What a superior military power may look like:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-26 08:31:07 AM

mbillips: This why Al Jazeera and the BBC are watchable. They cover the whole world, rather than just U.S. domestic policy, the international hot spot du jour, and pop culture fluff. They cover soft news too, but in much smaller doses.


Sorry to say that BBC news reporting and integrity has diminished since Iraq war 2 and that has accelerated since the Tories came to power. Defending itself against the threats of funding cuts to the licence fee egged on by Murdoch's Sky and supine politicians has become more important, unfortunately.


/still beats any US network into a cocked hat of course.
 
2013-09-26 08:33:49 AM

mbillips: "Israel will be wiped off the map of the earth" is not the same as "I'd like to, or we will, wipe Israel off the face of the earth." And what Ahmadinejad said is more accurately, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Boilerplate Israel-bashing.


You do realize the state sponsored translation that Iran put forth used much stronger language than that, right?


mbillips: The Iranians are dicks, and they sponsor terrorism, but they're not a direct military threat to anyone, particularly not to a superior military power such as Israel.


A direct military threat doesn't mean you aren't a threat.

Arming of Hezebollah is a threat.
 
2013-09-26 08:33:51 AM

Bslim: Does Hassan like to shop?


No....CHOP

i1168.photobucket.com

/surprised it wasn't said already
 
2013-09-26 08:39:10 AM

Mrfusticle: You know what's misleading? Taking speeches that politicians utter for *internal consumption and pretending it's for *diplomatic consumption.


You know what's hilarious? The fact that this exact attitude is the reason for every single one of Obama's diplomatic blunders.

/"Oh yeah? Well, how about if we say 'up' is really 'down?' Then things will all fall 'up' instead of down, and it was the Gods of the Marketplace that made it possible!"
 
2013-09-26 08:45:45 AM

Tatterdemalian: 'up' is really 'down?'


It is in Australia.

'Obama's diplomatic blunders'

Such as?

www.reocities.com
Go on.. say it.. I double dog dare you
 
2013-09-26 08:49:34 AM
So Iran rubbed Oabama's face in the dirt at the UN....   no biggie.
 
2013-09-26 08:59:35 AM

Grungehamster: Rhino_man: In any organization that large, tone will always change before policy. See also: DADT, DOMA.

I don't necessarily disagree. The question is then do you assume that the tone is a trial balloon for a policy change or if you assume that it's simply a way to change the optics of a situation without conceding policy ground. It's usually never one or the other with international relations: no country completely turns on a dime in relation to others without a coup/revolution, but at the same time it's rare for countries to see their international relationships achieve stasis.


I don't think it is a good idea to assume anything at this point.

It may all be PR, it may be an actual political shift.
 
2013-09-26 09:12:24 AM

Aristocles: Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria


Damn yeah.. those are some real fark ups.. All those US troops who died in those places.. It's a scandal.. Oh wait, sorry, I've mixed up my "places where US policy has had a detrimental effect" with "places your average American has heard of but couldn't find on a map" cards.. my bad.
 
2013-09-26 09:14:20 AM

ZekeMacNeil: It's not news, it's Fars


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-09-26 09:16:59 AM

Aristocles: Mrfusticle: Tatterdemalian: 'up' is really 'down?'

It is in Australia.

'Obama's diplomatic blunders'

Such as?

[www.reocities.com image 180x191]
Go on.. say it.. I double dog dare you

Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria


*Deep breath*

ERMAHGERD BENGHAZI!!1one!1Eleventy
 
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