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(Bloomberg)   Young workers are unlikely to buy an Obamacare policy, even though they don't need it and can't afford it. In related news, it's wet outside even though it's still raining and the sun hasn't come out yet   (bloomberg.com) divider line 257
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2013-09-26 07:25:29 AM  
Yes let's scrap the law over one dumbass who managed to get fired from a farking olive garden
 
2013-09-26 07:27:11 AM  

NickelP: Yes let's scrap the law over one dumbass who managed to get fired from a farking olive garden


Done in one.
 
2013-09-26 07:42:15 AM  
Shouldn't it be Young "invincibles"? Yes they need health insurance, they're just not smart enough to know it.
 
2013-09-26 07:51:21 AM  
Steven Binko is young, healthy and recently unemployed. He doesn't see any reason he should be required to buy health insurance next year.

Steven Binko also has a failure to grasp the concept of just what insurance is for.

Would Steven Binko also "my house is not on fire, therefore I do not need fire insurance".

Steven Binko should also stay out of Port Elizabeth, just to be safe.
 
2013-09-26 07:52:22 AM  
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RIP Steve Binko
 
2013-09-26 08:05:13 AM  
they still have to pay the "freeloader tax"
 
2013-09-26 08:05:30 AM  
On one side, you have right-wing anecdote du jour. On the other hand, you have the thousands of young urban professionals and artists and baristas in the Freelancers Union who know just how valuable 60% actuarial ( bronze level) is.
 
2013-09-26 08:06:00 AM  

Via Infinito: NickelP: Yes let's scrap the law over one dumbass who managed to get fired from a farking olive garden

Done in one.

 
2013-09-26 08:06:08 AM  

Aristocles: Since losing his job at an Olive Garden restaurant in Jacksonville, Florida, the 25-year-old said he can't afford to buy health care on his own. Even a premium of $40 a month for a plan through the U.S. Affordable Care Act exchanges would be too much. Therein lies the challenge for President Barack Obama.

This.

On behalf of Binky and myself,

Thanks, BOB!


Get a job hippy
 
2013-09-26 08:08:48 AM  

Zagloba: On one side, you have right-wing anecdote du jour. On the other hand, you have the thousands of young urban professionals and artists and baristas in the Freelancers Union who know just how valuable 60% actuarial ( bronze level) is.


"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov

In this case, they're saying that the one dumbass who doesn't understand what insurance is for should outweigh the thousands who do.
 
2013-09-26 08:09:33 AM  
I wonder if Steven has a refrigerator or cell phone.
 
2013-09-26 08:10:17 AM  
This kind of stupidity is why you guys should have just went to a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world.
 
2013-09-26 08:10:50 AM  
"dubbed the young invincibles"

By farking who?
 
2013-09-26 08:13:31 AM  

RTOGUY: This kind of stupidity is why you guys should have just went to a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world.


Lots of us completely agree.

Obamacare is pretty much the best we could do with the GOP weighing us down...and they still wont stfu...unless you ask them what their plan to fix our broken healthcare system is.

Single payer really is the way to go.
 
2013-09-26 08:15:05 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Steven Binko is young, healthy and recently unemployed. He doesn't see any reason he should be required to buy health insurance next year.

Steven Binko also has a failure to grasp the concept of just what insurance is for.

Would Steven Binko also "my house is not on fire, therefore I do not need fire insurance".

Steven Binko should also stay out of Port Elizabeth, just to be safe.


You're right that he needs a high deductible cheap healthcare plan for catastrophic coverage. He doesn't need the Obamacare mandated minimums. Those are there solely to jack up his rates so he's a net profit for the insurance pool.
 
2013-09-26 08:15:07 AM  
B-I-N-K-O
B-I-N-K-O
B-I-N-K-O
And Binko was his name-o
 
2013-09-26 08:16:23 AM  

Aristocles: Since losing his job at an Olive Garden restaurant in Jacksonville, Florida, the 25-year-old said he can't afford to buy health care on his own. Even a premium of $40 a month for a plan through the U.S. Affordable Care Act exchanges would be too much. Therein lies the challenge for President Barack Obama.

This.

On behalf of Binky and myself,

Thanks, BOB!


Wait, who's Bob?
 
2013-09-26 08:18:26 AM  

unexplained bacon: RTOGUY: This kind of stupidity is why you guys should have just went to a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world.

Lots of us completely agree.

Obamacare is pretty much the best we could do with the GOP weighing us down...and they still wont stfu...unless you ask them what their plan to fix our broken healthcare system is.

Single payer really is the way to go.


their solution is higher limit tax free accounts coupled with high deductable insurance. so the folks who can dump 10k+ a year into a health account get more tax breaks! the rest of us need to be more bootstrappy then we can get our tax break.
 
2013-09-26 08:19:03 AM  
This is why I always read the comments first.  Save me the mental pain of having to read through an idiotic article.
 
2013-09-26 08:19:05 AM  

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: Since losing his job at an Olive Garden restaurant in Jacksonville, Florida, the 25-year-old said he can't afford to buy health care on his own. Even a premium of $40 a month for a plan through the U.S. Affordable Care Act exchanges would be too much. Therein lies the challenge for President Barack Obama.

This.

On behalf of Binky and myself,

Thanks, BOB!

Wait, who's Bob?


As God as his witness, Aristocles will make that meme catch on.
 
2013-09-26 08:19:16 AM  
at lunch yesterday I sat beside a table of old people. They talked about obamaphones and how even homeless people can get one for free.  Then they started trying to one up each other with their medical issues but they all felt fortunate to have Medicare.  Hard to eat lunch while facepalming the entire time.
 
2013-09-26 08:19:45 AM  

Mrbogey: I_Am_Weasel: Steven Binko is young, healthy and recently unemployed. He doesn't see any reason he should be required to buy health insurance next year.

Steven Binko also has a failure to grasp the concept of just what insurance is for.

Would Steven Binko also "my house is not on fire, therefore I do not need fire insurance".

Steven Binko should also stay out of Port Elizabeth, just to be safe.

You're right that he needs a high deductible cheap healthcare plan for catastrophic coverage. He doesn't need the Obamacare mandated minimums. Those are there solely to jack up his rates so he's a net profit for the insurance pool.


how in the hell is an unemplyed person who is biatching about 40 a month going to manage to pay the deductable on a high deductable plan exactly?
 
2013-09-26 08:21:08 AM  
Where could this guy possibly ever get another job waiting tables? Boy, he is screwed!

Somehow, I suspect that this guy would get fully subsidized insurance anyway.
 
2013-09-26 08:21:27 AM  

NickelP: unexplained bacon: RTOGUY: This kind of stupidity is why you guys should have just went to a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world.

Lots of us completely agree.

Obamacare is pretty much the best we could do with the GOP weighing us down...and they still wont stfu...unless you ask them what their plan to fix our broken healthcare system is.

Single payer really is the way to go.

their solution is higher limit tax free accounts coupled with high deductable insurance. so the folks who can dump 10k+ a year into a health account get more tax breaks! the rest of us need to be more bootstrappy then we can get our tax break.


right, either that or leave it the way it was.
basically, they have no practical or worthwhile solutions.
 
2013-09-26 08:21:36 AM  

NickelP: unexplained bacon: RTOGUY: This kind of stupidity is why you guys should have just went to a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world.

Lots of us completely agree.

Obamacare is pretty much the best we could do with the GOP weighing us down...and they still wont stfu...unless you ask them what their plan to fix our broken healthcare system is.

Single payer really is the way to go.

their solution is higher limit tax free accounts coupled with high deductable insurance. so the folks who can dump 10k+ a year into a health account get more tax breaks! the rest of us need to be more bootstrappy then we can get our tax break.


and a heart stress test costs $7K with no insurance.
 
2013-09-26 08:23:23 AM  
I for one appreciate the younger folks who are stepping up to pay more for healthcare under Obamacare.       They could have sat back and paid less, as they did in years past, but they are going to step up next week in droves and pay more....

We really don't have to listen to Congress at all.     The real issue is going to be played out in 2014.
The money will roll in to healthcare, and pretty much all the issues of the past will be gone.


...or not.
 
2013-09-26 08:24:19 AM  
fta 2.7 million healthy 18- to 34-year-olds, dubbed the young invincibles,

How many of that 2.7 million will be covered by their parent's insurance until they're 26? How many of the 26- to 34-year-olds will be covered by their employers policies? Also, wouldn't universal single-payer fix this?
 
2013-09-26 08:25:33 AM  

netcentric: I for one appreciate the younger folks who are stepping up to pay more for healthcare under Obamacare.       They could have sat back and paid less, as they did in years past, but they are going to step up next week in droves and pay more....

We really don't have to listen to Congress at all.     The real issue is going to be played out in 2014.
The money will roll in to healthcare, and pretty much all the issues of the past will be gone.


...or not.


My exchange hasn't published rates yet so I'm not sure what it will look like, but from what I have seen from the ones that have my insurance will likely be cheaper and better than private pay was.  I'm upper 20's.  I will admit to not having researched this much, but it seems like a talking point with very little real substance to it.
 
2013-09-26 08:26:07 AM  
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2013-09-26 08:26:57 AM  
I love how welfare "freeloaders" are the bane of America according to Republicans, but healthcare "freeloaders" like this guy are the new heroes fighting the good fighting against communist Obamacare.

They really don't have any principles whatsoever, do they? Morality (and reality) is completely relative based on what policies are currently being put forward by Republicans and Democrats.
 
2013-09-26 08:29:34 AM  

xria: I love how welfare "freeloaders" are the bane of America according to Republicans, but healthcare "freeloaders" like this guy are the new heroes fighting the good fighting against communist Obamacare.

They really don't have any principles whatsoever, do they? Morality (and reality) is completely relative based on what policies are currently being put forward by Republicans and Democrats.



Selfish self righteous half wits are the new patriots.
 
2013-09-26 08:29:39 AM  

jaggspb: at lunch yesterday I sat beside a table of old people. They talked about obamaphones and how even homeless people can get one for free.  Then they started trying to one up each other with their medical issues but they all felt fortunate to have Medicare.  Hard to eat lunch while facepalming the entire time.


Their old. They actually worked their whole life without getting free stuff. Maybe they did get a few free lunches during the depression.
 
2013-09-26 08:30:48 AM  
It amuses me that the GOP's last hope for the failure of Obamacare is for the people who voted for Obama in droves (the young crowd) to suddenly and inexplicably decide that they don't like Obamacare now because they're all suddenly selfish assholes like the GOP.
 
2013-09-26 08:31:36 AM  

badhatharry: jaggspb: at lunch yesterday I sat beside a table of old people. They talked about obamaphones and how even homeless people can get one for free.  Then they started trying to one up each other with their medical issues but they all felt fortunate to have Medicare.  Hard to eat lunch while facepalming the entire time.

Their They're old. They actually worked their whole life without getting free stuff. Maybe they did get a few free lunches during the depression.


Most of their stuff is probably old though.
 
2013-09-26 08:33:09 AM  

Infernalist: It amuses me that the GOP's last hope for the failure of Obamacare is for the people who voted for Obama in droves (the young crowd) to suddenly and inexplicably decide that they don't like Obamacare now because they're all suddenly selfish assholes like the GOP.


When they get a job and have to pay for this bs, they'll get "selfish".
 
2013-09-26 08:34:39 AM  
1. Get fired from Olive Garden
2. Cry about not having healthcare
3. Your miserable life exposed on Fark
4. Profit??????
 
2013-09-26 08:39:56 AM  

badhatharry: Infernalist: It amuses me that the GOP's last hope for the failure of Obamacare is for the people who voted for Obama in droves (the young crowd) to suddenly and inexplicably decide that they don't like Obamacare now because they're all suddenly selfish assholes like the GOP.

When they get a job and have to pay for this bs, they'll get "selfish".


Most of them already have jobs and bad insurance through their jobs.
 
2013-09-26 08:39:57 AM  
Anecdotes are not the same as data. The data clearly show young Americans want health insurance and think it is very important to be protected against the risk of medical bankruptcy. The data show young Americans are more likely to sign up for insurance through the exchanges than similarly qualified older Americans.
 
2013-09-26 08:40:11 AM  

Infernalist: It amuses me that the GOP's last hope for the failure of Obamacare is for the people who voted for Obama in droves (the young crowd) to suddenly and inexplicably decide that they don't like Obamacare now because they're all suddenly selfish assholes like the GOP.


That was pretty much their plan for Medicare and SSI as well.  Oh, these people voted for Bush?  Then they'll certainly have no problem screwing each other over, and leaving nothing to their children and grandchildren!
 
2013-09-26 08:41:07 AM  
Signing up is sort of a no-brainder once you cut through all of the nonsense misinformation out there. If you sign up, you get healthcare. If you do not, you do not get healthcare but get fined come tax season. Why pay for nothing? Just get healthcare dumbasses.
 
2013-09-26 08:42:00 AM  

Infernalist: It amuses me that the GOP's last hope for the failure of Obamacare is for the people who voted for Obama in droves (the young crowd) to suddenly and inexplicably decide that they don't like Obamacare now because they're all suddenly selfish assholes like the GOP.


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At some point the GOP will have the White House again. What do you suppose will be the first thing they'll defund and disassemble?
 
2013-09-26 08:42:20 AM  
Moved from Florida, with a decent cost of living and no state income tax

to Los Angeles..with no job

I guess with a name like binko what should i expect?
 
2013-09-26 08:42:50 AM  
Plus, those that can least afford it, but need it the most will get subsidies and tax credits for it.  Hell, if you're close to the poverty level, you can enroll in Medicaid.
 
2013-09-26 08:44:36 AM  

Notabunny: Infernalist: It amuses me that the GOP's last hope for the failure of Obamacare is for the people who voted for Obama in droves (the young crowd) to suddenly and inexplicably decide that they don't like Obamacare now because they're all suddenly selfish assholes like the GOP.

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At some point the GOP will have the White House again. What do you suppose will be the first thing they'll defund and disassemble?


They won't have the White House if they're still trying to deny health care to Americans.  And if they're still trying to control women.
 
2013-09-26 08:44:38 AM  
"If you don't have health insurance, you should get it. And if you can't afford it, we should subsidize it."
"Yeah, but what if I can't afford it?"
"...are you serious, Derek?"
 
2013-09-26 08:45:15 AM  

GameSprocket: SpectroBoy: Aristocles: Since losing his job at an Olive Garden restaurant in Jacksonville, Florida, the 25-year-old said he can't afford to buy health care on his own. Even a premium of $40 a month for a plan through the U.S. Affordable Care Act exchanges would be too much. Therein lies the challenge for President Barack Obama.

This.

On behalf of Binky and myself,

Thanks, BOB!

Wait, who's Bob?

As God as his witness, Aristocles will make that meme catch on.


Is Aristocles a meme yet?
 
2013-09-26 08:46:04 AM  
Young people who do not wish to buy health insurance should not be forced to buy health insurance. Instead, should they happen to need a doctor's care, all bills should be sent directly to the Koch Brothers for payment. That should get them out of the one percent pretty quick.
 
2013-09-26 08:46:09 AM  
That's why we have withholding tax. People don't buy shiat they don't need. Now we just need to forcibly collect the "tax" and give it to insurance companies.

I would tell you what form of government this is but I don't want to Godwin the thread.
 
2013-09-26 08:46:27 AM  
I've been following the whole US healthcare issue with awe. I live in Canada. If I get sick or hurt, I go to the doctor or the hospital. That's it. No bill, no hassels, normally very little wait time. No premiums (in my province, although some provinces have them but they're negligible), no co-pays, no limits or lifetime caps. Not everything is covered in every province, and supplemental insurance for drugs, vision and dental is common but still, pretty minor expense. You guys are at the verge of taking the first step towards something like this and still a lot of your people object. In a lot of cases what they object to are thing that are already wrong with your system. I have no words to describe the feeling I get seeing an advanced, reasonably well educated society debate over whether to progress in its own interest or to continue with the clusterfark you have currently. Just unbelievable...
 
2013-09-26 08:46:31 AM  
I agree with Republicans, we should scrap Obamacare. Let's just go to universal single payer healthcare, and pay for it by forgoing future wars.
 
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