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2013-09-26 06:06:10 AM
"OMG I'm too stupid to do anything myself! Why isn't the government doing something to help?"

"OMFG why is the government always trying to tell me how to live my life?"
 
2013-09-26 06:38:33 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: $200 per car, $3 billion a year to save 100 lives a year, or $30 million per life, if you don't count injuries prevented.


Typical auto industry markup. Just buy your own:  http://dx.com/p/3-5-car-rearview-lcd-monitor-e350-waterproof-rearview - camera-system-w-7-led-black-221935
 
2013-09-26 06:48:06 AM

howdoibegin: Popular Opinion: Cyclometh: Not a single one of you circus animals read the article, did you?

yes, and it is needless regulatory bullshiat.

note: unless you: a) hold financial interest in companies that supply the camera systems OR b) just need to blame somebody else for your mistakes.

You're an idiot. Every year planes get safer, because of regulations. Cars too. Guns too. Food too. Pick a thing, they get safer.. I do like the notion that you think there is a big camera lobbying industry that is working for regulations for installing a camera on the back of cars. Remember the great bumper industry financial interest groups of the 1930s? Boy, it's a shame we succumbed to that huge powerful group of industrialists. If you want to go after private industry having financial interests in influencing policy, cameras are ... uh, hey, have you ever heard of guns? Or food?


Yeah, except that good safety regulations control things you can't control. Like food safety, it's not reasonable for you to home test your food for e-coli. Seatbelts and bumpers help you survive if you get hit by a drunk driver or careless driver.

The problem here is that this is a situation which people already CAN control- but some don't. No matter what anyone goes on the news to say, that kid didn't teleport behind their car. They weren't being situationally aware. Did they check their mirrors vigilantly enough? I'm guessing not. And legislating mandatory cameras won't help that because you can't force people to use their eyeballs to actually LOOK at the backup screen before backing up, because in all honesty the people backing over shiat are people who aren't looking in the mirrors they HAVE NOW. And even if they do deign to glance at the screen, if they aren't aware of everything around their car, they'll look away after the first glance, and a loose child can just run behind the car and then they'll still back over the kid. Or the kid will run while they're backing up and they won't stop in time. Unless you automate the car fully (which I know some people want to do) you can't fix everything for people who aren't paying attention and are crappy drivers and bad parents that have kids that run out into streets and driveways without supervision and aren't wary of cars.

There's no way of telling that this will actually make anything safer. If anything, it may make people run over even more things because they feel like they don't need to be aware of what's around the car, increasing the incidences of glancing/looking away/backing over something that darted behind the car.
 
2013-09-26 07:14:35 AM

cman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

I heard a figure tossed out of around $2.5 billion to add them to all new vehicles

/YMMV

I wonder how much they are spending on research for driverless vehicles

I know they are in the pipeline

Maybe they are waiting for that? Dunno


Did you read that article about the Google car only having one accident and it was when someone was behind the wheel of it.
 
2013-09-26 07:25:57 AM

cman: Bullshiat

People need to stop blaming others for their own faults

OMG ITS THE GUBMENT FAULT! OMG ITS BIG BUSNESS FAULT! IT DOESNT MATTER THAT I WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL!


I just want to be sure that you actually rtfa? They are suing the government to innact a law that has been postponed for half a decade. Why, exactly, are you outraged?
 
2013-09-26 07:36:04 AM

Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention), the US pass the following law:

No motor vehicle shall be operated by a driver who is not capable of safely operating a motor vehicle.


Yeah, you should have to have some kind of license to drive a car... oh wait
 
2013-09-26 07:41:06 AM
CSB:

I was leaving a parking lot. I walked up to my vehicle, nothing there. Get in, check all mirrors, nothing there. Start to back up and I hear a bunch of yelling. I stop just in time to see some 4 year old dart out from literally right behind my bumper. The snowflake's mom starts yelling at me (from 5 cars away) telling me how I need to watch where the fark I am going. I told her if she were a better parent she wouldn't be letting her 4 year old kid roam the Goddamn parking lot and hide behind car bumpers. She hadn't walked by, she was 60 something feet away. She was just letting her kids run around like assholes. But somehow that became *my* fault.
 
2013-09-26 08:14:41 AM

Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention)...


Gubmint also took away my manual spark advance lever (which decreases good old-fashioned git-up-'n-go by 7.3% for those who know how to drive) and carburetors (purely for the financial gain of Big Fuel Injector and blindly accepted by those who don't know how to drive).

//Nothing you listed is mandatory equipment, btw...
 
2013-09-26 08:22:48 AM
It's called "Walk around before getting in the car. Pick up snowflake. Take snowflake into the house.  Get into the car and go."
 
2013-09-26 08:42:37 AM

xiola: There is an easy solution - and I'm only posting this because of a story of a guy backing over his own dog which broke my heart.
The easy solution is:   Drumroll please:

Back in to your parking spot.

Done.  It's that easy.  When you drive away in the morning you are going forward and can see what you are going to hit.

No backup cameras needed.


Unless you back over them while backing into your parking lot, which would be more likely because a child or a dog would run up to the vehicle excitedly when you back into the driveway.
 
2013-09-26 08:56:59 AM
Darwin must not want him to reproduce.
 
2013-09-26 09:05:44 AM
My wife has been in contact with kidsandcars since a three-year-old behind the wheel of a pickup managed to run over both of our daughters.  The truck's owner left his two kids unattended in the cab while one got loose from his car seat and and grabbed the gearshift lever.
This was 18 years ago when brake pedal/shifter interlocks were just becoming standard equipment.

My 8 year-old got cuts on her back from the undercarriage that required cosmetic surgery.
The 5 year-old got dragged around the back tire through the wheelwell. Broken arm, cuts and muffler burns.
A sedan probably would have killed them.
 
2013-09-26 09:08:59 AM

TuteTibiImperes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

I heard a figure tossed out of around $2.5 billion to add them to all new vehicles

/YMMV

Going by the total of 14.4 million new vehicles sold in the US last year that works out to roughly $173 per car, which sounds a bit on the high side, but is still reasonable.

Most new cars are starting to come with LCD screens, cameras are incredibly cheap, and if they're mandatory on all models all it would take is a cable running from the camera in the back to the LCD screen in the front A short connection to the nearest CANbus lines which is easily done during assembly when the rest of the wires are being run.

There's really no reason not to mandate backup cameras in all new cars, the cost per unit would be negligible, and they're a huge convenience as well as being a nice safety feature.  They'd likely cut down on fender benders due to people backing into other cars, buildings, etc, by quite a bit as well, so they could translate into savings on insurance.


Pretty much ALL new cars use a computer network protocol known as CAN (Controller Area Network) that connects all of the assorted computers a modern car has, along with any other devices that communicate with them. As a result, instead of having to run multiple wires between everything, the signals are all processed at component level and sent as data packets over the CAN bus. Which has dramatically decreased the amount of wiring in a modern car, along with a lot of the engineering that used to be involved with getting things that produced different signal types to talk to each other. So yeah, things that used to be really expensive to add now cost little more than the component itself. Heck, options like cruise control and stability control (now required on all new cars) are stupid cheap. For cruise, cars already have electronic throttles. It's literally a matter of adding the buttons, 2 wires to connect the button panel to the BCM, and a few lines of code. For stability control (the car has to have ABS, but again, that was all mandated last year) but it's merely a matter of a few lines of code in the ABS module. How much does a VGA webcam cost these days? Ruggedize its case and add a few lines of code to the body control module. Voila! Backup camera. Most cars that this rule would apply to already have big LCD screens anyways. That $173 per car number is stupid high. More like $20, if that.
 
2013-09-26 09:11:34 AM
Ha ha! You killed your kid!
 
2013-09-26 09:16:49 AM

BikerRay: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: $200 per car, $3 billion a year to save 100 lives a year, or $30 million per life, if you don't count injuries prevented.

Typical auto industry markup. Just buy your own:  http://dx.com/p/3-5-car-rearview-lcd-monitor-e350-waterproof-rearview - camera-system-w-7-led-black-221935


Be a man, build your own.
Old monitor, old camera and some duct tape and you are all set.
Hooked up a great system on my wife's car, she can see behind the car great now.
She does keep biatching about the 21" crt monitor taped to the dash though, claims she can't see over it.
There is no pleasing women.
 
2013-09-26 09:22:30 AM
Ever notice how these parents tend to prefer owning vehicles with a high rear end?

www.opposingviews.com

It's like deep in their psyche, they are compelled to go around showing their huge raised asses at people everywhere they go. Oh, and the vehicle HAS to be white as well? Another subliminal?
 
2013-09-26 09:27:07 AM

Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention), the US pass the following law:

No motor vehicle shall be operated by a driver who is not capable of safely operating a motor vehicle.


That would be a violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Since that law would prohibit almost every woman from being allowed to drive.
 
2013-09-26 09:40:15 AM

MythDragon: CSB:

I was leaving a parking lot. I walked up to my vehicle, nothing there. Get in, check all mirrors, nothing there. Start to back up and I hear a bunch of yelling. I stop just in time to see some 4 year old dart out from literally right behind my bumper. The snowflake's mom starts yelling at me (from 5 cars away) telling me how I need to watch where the fark I am going. I told her if she were a better parent she wouldn't be letting her 4 year old kid roam the Goddamn parking lot and hide behind car bumpers. She hadn't walked by, she was 60 something feet away. She was just letting her kids run around like assholes. But somehow that became *my* fault.


You should've been laughing as you tell she is a terrible mom, and while still laughing tell the 4 yro, "I almost ran you over, for simply getting away from mommy."  She will either try to hit you or get the piss scared out of her to maybe reconsider her actions next time.  If she gets close, change quickly to a drill sergeant mode and start barking things like "Oh, you don't want none of this".  She'll likely crap her pants and flee.  As she flees, go back to the laughing mocking of her.  Then good job citizen.


wild9: Did you read that article about the Google car only having one accident and it was when someone was behind the wheel of it.


I guess you missed the story we had last month of the Google car hitting another car and leaving the scene.  It didn't have a driver.  I guess some put Vodka in its tank.
 
2013-09-26 09:46:13 AM

fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?


They have these things called rear view mirrors, most cars already have 3 of them.

They also have things called driving schools where you learn how to freaking drive, which includes looking behind you before backing up.
 
2013-09-26 09:49:20 AM

Dedmon: cman: Bullshiat

People need to stop blaming others for their own faults

OMG ITS THE GUBMENT FAULT! OMG ITS BIG BUSNESS FAULT! IT DOESNT MATTER THAT I WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL!

I just want to be sure that you actually rtfa? They are suing the government to innact a law that has been postponed for half a decade. Why, exactly, are you outraged?


There's no law prohibiting buying and installing a rear-view camera.
 
2013-09-26 09:50:54 AM
The value of "they" in the headline becomes less and less clear as the headline goes on. Tarzan need antecedent.
 
2013-09-26 09:54:43 AM

xiola: There is an easy solution - and I'm only posting this because of a story of a guy backing over his own dog which broke my heart.
The easy solution is:   Drumroll please:

Back in to your parking spot.

Done.  It's that easy.  When you drive away in the morning you are going forward and can see what you are going to hit.

No backup cameras needed.


I see people in parking lots that have 2 spaces on each side of the aisle, not angled, back out when there's no car in front of them.

I look for a space where I can pull thru to avoid backing up.  I have no problem walking an extra 50 or 100 feet.
 
2013-09-26 10:12:04 AM

TV's Vinnie: Ever notice how these parents tend to prefer owning vehicles with a high rear end?

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

It's like deep in their psyche, they are compelled to go around showing their huge raised asses at people everywhere they go. Oh, and the vehicle HAS to be white as well? Another subliminal?


img.fark.net

Yup, some cars are made that you can see out of. How about that...

www.curbsideclassic.com

Ok, and something more relevant:

upload.wikimedia.org

I have noticed the trend is moving toward high belt lines, the windows are short and placed up high. Especially in the back to create more trunk.

I'm not a big fan of this trend, I like visibility. It accentuates the need for back up cameras, and I'm surprised more automakers don't have cameras for the sides now due to poor visibility around the cars.
 
2013-09-26 10:14:16 AM
The blame should be placed squarely where it belongs.  On people who buy SUVs when all they need is a frickin' car, just like their parents made do with.
 
2013-09-26 10:38:26 AM
I can see just fine out of my Sonic. Don't see the problem.
 
2013-09-26 10:48:32 AM
What some are forgetting is that even with a backup camera the person driving would need to look at it, which would takes their focus off actually looking behind them.  Backup cameras alone would make it worse.  Yeah you can see directly behind you but that is about all you see.  All cars I have seen with them also have the radar sensors in the bumper that audibly warn the driver of something close to being hit behind the car.  Why make the cameras standard and not just the sensors.  There is no mention of the sensors.  It would be cheaper to implement and keeps the drivers eyes looking in the right direction.
 
2013-09-26 10:52:21 AM

lack of warmth: MythDragon: CSB:

I was leaving a parking lot. I walked up to my vehicle, nothing there. Get in, check all mirrors, nothing there. Start to back up and I hear a bunch of yelling. I stop just in time to see some 4 year old dart out from literally right behind my bumper. The snowflake's mom starts yelling at me (from 5 cars away) telling me how I need to watch where the fark I am going. I told her if she were a better parent she wouldn't be letting her 4 year old kid roam the Goddamn parking lot and hide behind car bumpers. She hadn't walked by, she was 60 something feet away. She was just letting her kids run around like assholes. But somehow that became *my* fault.

You should've been laughing as you tell she is a terrible mom, and while still laughing tell the 4 yro, "I almost ran you over, for simply getting away from mommy." She will either try to hit you or get the piss scared out of her to maybe reconsider her actions next time. If she gets close, change quickly to a drill sergeant mode and start barking things like "Oh, you don't want none of this". She'll likely crap her pants and flee. As she flees, go back to the laughing mocking of her. Then good job citizen.


I'm glad to see you agree. I hadn't considered actualy getting out of the car and threatning her, but I'll do that next time. Thanks for the advice.
 
2013-09-26 11:03:07 AM
I really think the people who are asking "how hard can it be to make sure there are no kids behind you?!!1!" don't have kids of their own.

Never underestate the propensity, nay, the natural gravitational attraction two and three-year-olds have for disaster.

Whenever I leave the house and my youngest is anywhere near the front door, I keep looking behind me.
As I get into the car, I am still looking around worried that the kid slipped by in the moment I turned, and even then I drive back slowly.
I had previously had a fender bender where I had parked towards the end of the row. I had looked over my shoulder, no car, rear-view mirror, no car, right mirror, no car, left mirror, no car.
I look up at the rear view mirror and drive back slowly and hit a car that had literally passed behind me as I was turning from the right mirror to the left mirror. It ended up stopped with only the rear end behind me, so not visible in the rear view.

Weird accidents happen all the time, the problem is that this is intensified by the 2 ton machine.

/drive long enough and you will see weird things. Like the time I almost hydrofoiled into an intersection.
//good times. Good times.
//: accidental slashies
 
2013-09-26 11:07:52 AM

kombi: TuteTibiImperes: kombi: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

You have to remember cars now a days. Its a camera, More to the point a camera that runs on the cars buss. Then computer software so the cars computer will operate the camera. A trigger so the camera will turn on when backing up. A screen. A screen that talks to the cars computer. Then its own dedicated fuse and power lines. So the way car industry works. I would say atleast a grand more on each car. Thats not including dash redesigns and everything else involved. And the way the government pushes. They will probably require it saves the video to the cars black box in case of an accident. And knowing lawsuits it wont only be cameras. All cars will require rear radar. Wait another 10 years when all cars will be required to have accident avoidance and auto parking. Ill stick with my 80 f150

It wouldn't cost anywhere near $1,000 per car.  Most new cars have screen already, or will have them when the next redesign comes.  LCDs are cheap.  Even for cars that don't have them they can spec a different rearview mirror with a screen behind the mirror.  All it takes is a single cable running between the screen and the camera to provide signal and power, and since pretty much all automatic transmissions are shift by wire these days, it's not hard to set it up to trigger the camera automatically when you shift into reverse (I'm sure something could be done for manuals as well).

The high end estimate is little under $200 per car, in all likelihood if it were mandated the automakers could do it for well under $100 per car, which is chump change in the overall price of a vehicle.

They won't need to make sure it will last ten years, they'll have to make sure it lasts the 3-5 years for the bumper to bumper warranty, more or less.

See that would make sense. But everything talks on the cars buss now. Even your radio. On ...


"Buss" is an old form of "kiss". The word you want is "bus". Given the lazy way you type anyway, I would have figured you'd leave off letters rather than add extra ones.
 
2013-09-26 11:16:17 AM

Gyrfalcon: Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention), the US pass the following law:

No motor vehicle shall be operated by a driver who is not capable of safely operating a motor vehicle.

This, and this again.

It's odd, to me at least, that nobody started backing over their kids in driveways until suddenly a) drivers' ed courses stopped being mandatory in high schools, and b) the technology which would allow people not to ensure there weren't kids in the driveway before they began backing up became widely available.

I mean, cars were no bigger, no heavier, no more unwieldy, had no smaller blind spots, in the 50's and 60's; but what they DIDN'T have was people who expected hi-tek to do everything for them. So people made sure the kids were either not behind the car or knew better than to stand in the driveway BEFORE they hopped in and drove away. Now people have an expectation that "something" will magically keep kids away from cars, and kids are getting hit.


Parents have been backing over kids since the a car was first capable of going in reverse.
 
2013-09-26 11:19:10 AM

Lsherm: For fark's sake, they're only suing because a law that passed 6 years ago requiring backup cameras keeps getting delayed.  I'd have less sympathy if Congress hadn't actually passed a bill, but let's get real.


Subby has the reading comprehension of someone who was backed over as a child.
 
2013-09-26 11:25:54 AM

Russ1642: Lsherm: For fark's sake, they're only suing because a law that passed 6 years ago requiring backup cameras keeps getting delayed.  I'd have less sympathy if Congress hadn't actually passed a bill, but let's get real.

Subby has the reading comprehension of someone who was backed over as a child.


I think he's upset that a child backed over him
 
2013-09-26 11:31:37 AM

PanicMan: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

Well you have to make sure it's compatible with all the other electronics, make it waterproof, reliable at all common operating temperatures for 10+ years, can handle the vibration, redesign the bumper for fit and ease of access, etc.  it's not just a matter of slap on a camera.


You have to route through the fuse panel also. Tie it into the thing that makes that annoying ding*ding*ding sound when your door is ajar so if you disconnect it, you run the risk of driving around with the door wide open. Wild animals can thus gain complete access to the interior and devour any toddlers strapped in a car seat like Hannibal Lecter. And you can't shoot them because your guns have to be stowed in the trunk and they're probably an endangered species. The wild animals, I mean, not the kids. Although kids can get pretty wild sometimes once they chew through the restraints. Still, shooting them is generally frowned upon. The DA may let you cop to manslaughter unless it's an election year. Killing an endangered animal, though, that's a Federal rap. Hard time.

Take it from me, it's better to just wave the gun around a bit, they'll get the message. The kids, I mean.
 
2013-09-26 11:38:54 AM
cman

Bullshiat

People need to stop blaming others for their own faults
What will become of the democrat party?
 
2013-09-26 11:41:36 AM

Loaf's Tray: Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention)...

Gubmint also took away my manual spark advance lever (which decreases good old-fashioned git-up-'n-go by 7.3% for those who know how to drive) and carburetors (purely for the financial gain of Big Fuel Injector and blindly accepted by those who don't know how to drive).

//Nothing you listed is mandatory equipment, btw...


ABS and traction control aren't mandatory for all new vehicles? You're wrong on that, and have been for many years.

The "collision avoidance" system that cuts your throttle when it thinks there's something in your way is the next thing they'll mandate. The best part is it does it silently, so instead of being able to accelerate around a stopped something and an oncoming something else, you'll go to do that and just drive head-on into the oncoming.
 
2013-09-26 11:49:13 AM
FTA: The federal organization recently released a recommendation to start listing backup cameras as recommended safety equipment, but for the advocates behind the lawsuit it isn't nearly enough. Still, the government claims that it is taking its time to ensure the cost doesn't outweigh the benefits.

The cost doesn't outweigh the benefits? How can you seriously compare a child's life with the cost of adding a safety feature to ensure that child's safety?
 
2013-09-26 12:19:02 PM

RottNDude: This reminds me of that douchebag Infiniti SUV commercial where douchebag Dad in his douchebag luxury SUV fails to look behind him when he's backing out of his douchbag HOA community driveway and almost runs over some douchebag kid, but the auto-radar-braking system kicks in and stops the car.  Douchebag dad looks over at douchebag wife with a look of douchebag relief that his luxury douchebag SUV made up for his douchey inattentiveness. didn't get any blood or scratches on it.

Infinity.  For Douches.


FTFY
 
2013-09-26 12:19:43 PM
Or you could know where your kid is so that you don't run over him/her.

I guess it's too much to expect parents to supervise their children now. When one parent is leaving and the other parent is in the house, the parent in the house (or whoever is in charge of the kids) should be watching the children to make sure they don't run outside and get behind the car.

This isn't that hard.
 
2013-09-26 12:22:46 PM

Goimir: Loaf's Tray: Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention)...

Gubmint also took away my manual spark advance lever (which decreases good old-fashioned git-up-'n-go by 7.3% for those who know how to drive) and carburetors (purely for the financial gain of Big Fuel Injector and blindly accepted by those who don't know how to drive).

//Nothing you listed is mandatory equipment, btw...

ABS and traction control aren't mandatory for all new vehicles? You're wrong on that, and have been for many years.

The "collision avoidance" system that cuts your throttle when it thinks there's something in your way is the next thing they'll mandate. The best part is it does it silently, so instead of being able to accelerate around a stopped something and an oncoming something else, you'll go to do that and just drive head-on into the oncoming.


Source?  As far as I know, the only vehicles REQUIRED to have ABS in the US are buses and large trucks built after 1999...it's pretty much universally standard equipment these days (which I don't like either, BTW), but that's very different from big bad Obammycorp putting us all at risk by forcibly handicapping "those who know how to drive"...
 
2013-09-26 12:25:32 PM

lack of warmth: I guess you missed the story we had last month of the Google car hitting another car and leaving the scene. It didn't have a driver. I guess some put Vodka in its tank.


That was one of the google street cars. I was talking about the driverless ones.
 
2013-09-26 12:28:24 PM

Loaf's Tray: Goimir: Loaf's Tray: Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention)...

Gubmint also took away my manual spark advance lever (which decreases good old-fashioned git-up-'n-go by 7.3% for those who know how to drive) and carburetors (purely for the financial gain of Big Fuel Injector and blindly accepted by those who don't know how to drive).

//Nothing you listed is mandatory equipment, btw...

ABS and traction control aren't mandatory for all new vehicles? You're wrong on that, and have been for many years.

The "collision avoidance" system that cuts your throttle when it thinks there's something in your way is the next thing they'll mandate. The best part is it does it silently, so instead of being able to accelerate around a stopped something and an oncoming something else, you'll go to do that and just drive head-on into the oncoming.

Source?  As far as I know, the only vehicles REQUIRED to have ABS in the US are buses and large trucks built after 1999...it's pretty much universally standard equipment these days (which I don't like either, BTW), but that's very different from big bad Obammycorp putting us all at risk by forcibly handicapping "those who know how to drive"...


Here you go, stability control is mandatory for all 2012 model year and later vehicles.
 
2013-09-26 12:31:50 PM

OnlyM3: cman

Bullshiat

People need to stop blaming others for their own faultsWhat will become of the democrat party?


Brilliant tactical assault. There is absolutely no defense for this devastating line of reasoning you've committed to.
 
2013-09-26 12:37:11 PM
If there were kids in GTA then there would be no need to run over kids in real life.
 
2013-09-26 12:39:20 PM

offmymeds: The cost doesn't outweigh the benefits? How can you seriously compare a child's life with the cost of adding a safety feature to ensure that child's safety?


What about kids that get backed over while playing next to the front passenger wheel of an SUV, beneath the field of vision of the side-view mirror? Should we mandate collision avoidance on all sides of a vehicle? What happens when you're trying to parallel park within a foot of the curb?

What about kids who slam their hands in the door of a car? Should there be door-frame impact avoidance sensors?

This can be extrapolated ad nauseam.  You can't prevent someone from doing harm if they're too self-absorbed to be attentive.
 
2013-09-26 01:43:58 PM

Quasar: After the tragedy, Gulbransen reached out to KidsAndCars.org to champion for better visibility behind vehicles. Rep. Peter King, R-NY, introduced a bill in 2003 dubbed "Cameron's law," which would have required safety standards that would hopefully reduce the likelihood of such accidents. The bill, however, never made it out of committee.

More socialist Big Brother nonsense.


Yes, but you missed the correct thing to prove it.
 
2013-09-26 01:48:13 PM
So .. gun control, same thing?
 
2013-09-26 02:35:40 PM

lack of warmth: wild9: Did you read that article about the Google car only having one accident and it was when someone was behind the wheel of it.

I guess you missed the story we had last month of the Google car hitting another car and leaving the scene. It didn't have a driver. I guess some put Vodka in its tank.


I'm pretty sure you're talking about the Google Street View car, which most definitely has a human driver... The only accident their driverless car has had when driving on its own is someone else rear-ending it at a stop light...
 
2013-09-26 03:17:51 PM

Terrydatroll: xiola: There is an easy solution - and I'm only posting this because of a story of a guy backing over his own dog which broke my heart.
The easy solution is:   Drumroll please:

Back in to your parking spot.

Done.  It's that easy.  When you drive away in the morning you are going forward and can see what you are going to hit.

No backup cameras needed.

Unless you back over them while backing into your parking lot, which would be more likely because a child or a dog would run up to the vehicle excitedly when you back into the driveway.


Indeed; this situation was caused by someone backing into the parking spot, not backing out of it.

In New York, it seems that it's legal to back out of a driveway. I learned to drive in Pennsylvania, however, and it's illegal to back out of a driveway there. I suppose that law makes it more likely that someone would run over their own unattended child, but it does decrease the number of car-to-car accidents.
 
2013-09-26 03:43:14 PM

Starry Heavens: In New York, it seems that it's legal to back out of a driveway. I learned to drive in Pennsylvania, however, and it's illegal to back out of a driveway there. I suppose that law makes it more likely that someone would run over their own unattended child, but it does decrease the number of car-to-car accidents.


The hell you say. I mean I've never lived there, but been through PA plenty of times and have friends there... never heard this. Then again I didn't realize for a long time why NJ had full service gas stations either.
 
2013-09-26 03:50:29 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Loaf's Tray: Goimir: Loaf's Tray: Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention)...

Gubmint also took away my manual spark advance lever (which decreases good old-fashioned git-up-'n-go by 7.3% for those who know how to drive) and carburetors (purely for the financial gain of Big Fuel Injector and blindly accepted by those who don't know how to drive).

//Nothing you listed is mandatory equipment, btw...

ABS and traction control aren't mandatory for all new vehicles? You're wrong on that, and have been for many years.

The "collision avoidance" system that cuts your throttle when it thinks there's something in your way is the next thing they'll mandate. The best part is it does it silently, so instead of being able to accelerate around a stopped something and an oncoming something else, you'll go to do that and just drive head-on into the oncoming.

Source?  As far as I know, the only vehicles REQUIRED to have ABS in the US are buses and large trucks built after 1999...it's pretty much universally standard equipment these days (which I don't like either, BTW), but that's very different from big bad Obammycorp putting us all at risk by forcibly handicapping "those who know how to drive"...

Here you go, stability control is mandatory for all 2012 model year and later vehicles.


Well, I stand corrected...thanks for the link.
 
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