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2013-09-25 09:01:52 PM  
Bullshiat

People need to stop blaming others for their own faults

OMG ITS THE GUBMENT FAULT! OMG ITS BIG BUSNESS FAULT! IT DOESNT MATTER THAT I WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL!
 
2013-09-25 09:07:19 PM  

cman: Bullshiat

People need to stop blaming others for their own faults

OMG ITS THE GUBMENT FAULT! OMG ITS BIG BUSNESS FAULT! IT DOESNT MATTER THAT I WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL!


THANKS OBAMA!
 
2013-09-25 09:10:01 PM  
GOVERNMENT SUCKS AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT

PASS LAWS GOVERNMENT, AND ENFORCE THEM APPROPRIATELY EVEN THOUGH YOU SUCK
 
2013-09-25 09:26:12 PM  
After the tragedy, Gulbransen reached out to KidsAndCars.org to champion for better visibility behind vehicles. Rep. Peter King, R-NY, introduced a bill in 2003 dubbed "Cameron's law," which would have required safety standards that would hopefully reduce the likelihood of such accidents. The bill, however, never made it out of committee.

More socialist Big Brother nonsense.
 
2013-09-25 09:44:23 PM  
Hey.... why does Honda have that smug smile?

/again
 
2013-09-25 09:46:19 PM  
How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?
 
2013-09-25 09:55:39 PM  

fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?


I heard a figure tossed out of around $2.5 billion to add them to all new vehicles

/YMMV
 
2013-09-25 09:57:09 PM  
For fark's sake, they're only suing because a law that passed 6 years ago requiring backup cameras keeps getting delayed.  I'd have less sympathy if Congress hadn't actually passed a bill, but let's get real.
 
2013-09-25 10:00:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

I heard a figure tossed out of around $2.5 billion to add them to all new vehicles

/YMMV


I wonder how much they are spending on research for driverless vehicles

I know they are in the pipeline

Maybe they are waiting for that? Dunno
 
2013-09-25 11:04:03 PM  
Er.  As I read it, they're suing to get the law passed.  They're not looking to hold the government accountable for what happened..  They want to get the number of such incidents reduced.

Yes/No  (circle one)
 
2013-09-25 11:26:54 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

I heard a figure tossed out of around $2.5 billion to add them to all new vehicles

/YMMV


Going by the total of 14.4 million new vehicles sold in the US last year that works out to roughly $173 per car, which sounds a bit on the high side, but is still reasonable.

Most new cars are starting to come with LCD screens, cameras are incredibly cheap, and if they're mandatory on all models all it would take is a cable running from the camera in the back to the LCD screen in the front which is easily done during assembly when the rest of the wires are being run.

There's really no reason not to mandate backup cameras in all new cars, the cost per unit would be negligible, and they're a huge convenience as well as being a nice safety feature.  They'd likely cut down on fender benders due to people backing into other cars, buildings, etc, by quite a bit as well, so they could translate into savings on insurance.
 
2013-09-25 11:33:07 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Er.  As I read it, they're suing to get the law passed.  They're not looking to hold the government accountable for what happened..  They want to get the number of such incidents reduced.

Yes/No  (circle one)


If you haven't taught your kid to watch out for a car that is backing up then a camera on the bumper shouldn't be your main priority
 
2013-09-25 11:34:22 PM  
i.chzbgr.com

Suing over a political delay in implementation of a law auto makers have no interest in dealing with? Parent's fault??? WOW!
 
2013-09-25 11:50:55 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-25 11:52:54 PM  
Thanks Fartbumpo.
 
2013-09-25 11:54:41 PM  
I have a backup camera, and I never use it. I dont trust the green/yellow/red lines to start with, and secondly I'm done reversing by the time it actually turns on.
 
2013-09-25 11:55:29 PM  
There is an easy solution - and I'm only posting this because of a story of a guy backing over his own dog which broke my heart.
The easy solution is:   Drumroll please:

Back in to your parking spot.

Done.  It's that easy.  When you drive away in the morning you are going forward and can see what you are going to hit.

No backup cameras needed.
 
2013-09-25 11:56:29 PM  
I learned that in Drivers Ed. when I was 16. When in your driveway walk around the vehicle and enter the drivers side. This rule applies double if you have small children or if your neighborhood has small children.
 
2013-09-25 11:56:43 PM  
Oh, and it only took me about two years to learn its also a DVD player. That only works in park. Because who doesn't want to sit in the car and watch a movie in the driveway?
 
2013-09-25 11:57:51 PM  
$200 per car, $3 billion a year to save 100 lives a year, or $30 million per life, if you don't count injuries prevented.
 
2013-09-25 11:59:09 PM  
How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention), the US pass the following law:

No motor vehicle shall be operated by a driver who is not capable of safely operating a motor vehicle.
 
2013-09-26 12:00:06 AM  

fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?


You have to remember cars now a days. Its a camera, More to the point a camera that runs on the cars buss. Then computer software so the cars computer will operate the camera. A trigger so the camera will turn on when backing up. A screen. A screen that talks to the cars computer. Then its own dedicated fuse and power lines. So the way car industry works. I would say atleast a grand more on each car. Thats not including dash redesigns and everything else involved. And the way the government pushes. They will probably require it saves the video to the cars black box in case of an accident. And knowing lawsuits it wont only be cameras. All cars will require rear radar. Wait another 10 years when all cars will be required to have accident avoidance and auto parking. Ill stick with my 80 f150
 
2013-09-26 12:01:24 AM  

Aar1012: I_Am_Weasel: Er.  As I read it, they're suing to get the law passed.  They're not looking to hold the government accountable for what happened..  They want to get the number of such incidents reduced.

Yes/No  (circle one)

If you haven't taught your kid to watch out for a car that is backing up then a camera on the bumper shouldn't be your main priority


And if you haven't learned how to make sure where your kids are and nothing is close to your path before you get in your car, then license should be revoked for life.

I back into my driveway and the spot at work, and I never just give it a glance through the mirrors.  I always give the whole area a scan from the side window before I pull forward to start backing up.  I have had to yell at a kid or two for being in the driveway, for they must move to the porch before I back up.
 
2013-09-26 12:02:05 AM  

xiola: There is an easy solution - and I'm only posting this because of a story of a guy backing over his own dog which broke my heart.
The easy solution is:   Drumroll please:

Back in to your parking spot.

Done.  It's that easy.  When you drive away in the morning you are going forward and can see what you are going to hit.

No backup cameras needed.


The moron that started this whole mess was backing into his parking spot. He left his small child unsupervised and either failed to see the kid walking up to the car when checking all his mirrors and over his shoulder, or the child was standing behind the car the entire time and he failed to see the child when walking up to the car and getting in.
 
2013-09-26 12:02:24 AM  
So that's what those little license plate cameras are for?? Backing up? I thought they were for recording fender benders are shiat.
 
2013-09-26 12:04:04 AM  
I have a solution.

Put the kids in the car behind the wheel, and the parents on the ground behind the car.

Problem solved.
 
2013-09-26 12:06:19 AM  

xiola: There is an easy solution - and I'm only posting this because of a story of a guy backing over his own dog which broke my heart.
The easy solution is:   Drumroll please:

Back in to your parking spot.

Done.  It's that easy.  When you drive away in the morning you are going forward and can see what you are going to hit.

No backup cameras needed.


RTA, he was backing the car into the driveway, so wife could just go forward in the morning.  They must realize she can't drive, and as it turns out, he can't drive either.
 
2013-09-26 12:06:28 AM  

cman: Bullshiat

People need to stop blaming others for their own faults

OMG ITS THE GUBMENT FAULT! OMG ITS BIG BUSNESS FAULT! IT DOESNT MATTER THAT I WAS BEHIND THE WHEEL!


But as the left demands the government take on more and more responsibility from our lives, why not blame them?
 
2013-09-26 12:07:18 AM  
Next these socialists will mandate implanting transponders in every child so cars can automatically avoid them.  We all know children shouldn't be standing behind cars -- they should be chained to sewing machines in sweatshops earning their family's food stamps.

/troll left
//troll right
///troll, troll, troll your boat  (maybe if you weren't driving a farking boat of an SUV, you could have seen your farking kid behind you!)
 
2013-09-26 12:08:11 AM  
This reminds me of that douchebag Infiniti SUV commercial where douchebag Dad in his douchebag luxury SUV fails to look behind him when he's backing out of his douchbag HOA community driveway and almost runs over some douchebag kid, but the auto-radar-braking system kicks in and stops the car.  Douchebag dad looks over at douchebag wife with a look of douchebag relief that his luxury douchebag SUV made up for his douchey inattentiveness.

Infinity.  For Douches.
 
2013-09-26 12:08:55 AM  

kombi: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

You have to remember cars now a days. Its a camera, More to the point a camera that runs on the cars buss. Then computer software so the cars computer will operate the camera. A trigger so the camera will turn on when backing up. A screen. A screen that talks to the cars computer. Then its own dedicated fuse and power lines. So the way car industry works. I would say atleast a grand more on each car. Thats not including dash redesigns and everything else involved. And the way the government pushes. They will probably require it saves the video to the cars black box in case of an accident. And knowing lawsuits it wont only be cameras. All cars will require rear radar. Wait another 10 years when all cars will be required to have accident avoidance and auto parking. Ill stick with my 80 f150


Oh and not including the body redesign to hide the camera.
 
2013-09-26 12:10:04 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: $200 per car, $3 billion a year to save 100 lives a year, or $30 million per life, if you don't count injuries prevented.

 It's also worth noting that the kind of stupid that doesn't check their rear before getting in the car is the long-term, habitual kind of stupid (we can confirm this extra-hard in the case of the people in TFA: someone that intentionally buys an SUV has a long-running pattern of deliberately making poor value and risk judgments around automobiles).  That's exactly the same kind of stupid that won't check the rear-view mirror or the bumper-cam either.
Those hundred people are pretty much farked either way, is what I'm saying here, absurd expenditures on redundant safety features or not.
 
2013-09-26 12:12:57 AM  

fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?


Well you have to make sure it's compatible with all the other electronics, make it waterproof, reliable at all common operating temperatures for 10+ years, can handle the vibration, redesign the bumper for fit and ease of access, etc.  it's not just a matter of slap on a camera.
 
2013-09-26 12:13:18 AM  
1. Before getting in the car LOOK behind the car.
2. If children are behind the car tell them to move or move them yourself.
3. Get in car.
4. Back up.

Follow these simple steps and you won't run over your own kid. If they still manage to get ran over after that then it seems that Darwin has spoken.
 
2013-09-26 12:14:46 AM  

RottNDude: This reminds me of that douchebag Infiniti SUV commercial where douchebag Dad in his douchebag luxury SUV fails to look behind him when he's backing out of his douchbag HOA community driveway and almost runs over some douchebag kid, but the auto-radar-braking system kicks in and stops the car.  Douchebag dad looks over at douchebag wife with a look of douchebag relief that his luxury douchebag SUV made up for his douchey inattentiveness.

Infinity.  For Douches.


Don't sugarcoat it, how do you really feel.
 
2013-09-26 12:14:47 AM  
True dat, subby! These farking cameras will add $1500-2000 to each new vehicle they're installed on. I don't need to pay extra $$$ because some farktards run over things because they don't know how to drive. The stats were just on the news tonight, and less than 200 people (half of them kids) are killed this way each year, and Darwin claimed every last one of 'em.

Also, use my solution for making sure you don't run over toddlers - aside from not having any, after you get in the car, don't fiddle around with stuff, get going ASAP, before the toddlers have time to gather behind your vehicle.

/BUT DA CHUUULDRUUUUN!!!11!!!
//fark the children
 
2013-09-26 12:15:47 AM  
Aside: Article by the dad in the Washington Post: (via the Register Citizen)

Now, while I can only imagine what it must be like to run over and kill someone accidentally, let alone a relation, let alone a child, the fact that he recognizes that a rear-view camera might have prevented this tragedy and yet didn't own a vehicle that has such a device makes me wanna slap him.

Translation: "I am stupid. Please, government, help save me from my own stupidity in the future."

/condolences and all anyway
 
2013-09-26 12:18:31 AM  

tin_man: GOVERNMENT SUCKS AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT

PASS LAWS GOVERNMENT, AND ENFORCE THEM APPROPRIATELY EVEN THOUGH YOU SUCK


It's the Liberal version of full circle right there.  I love the government, but I'm not responsible for my own actions.  Why do you smite me, oh government?
 
2013-09-26 12:19:45 AM  

HotWingAgenda: xiola: There is an easy solution - and I'm only posting this because of a story of a guy backing over his own dog which broke my heart.
The easy solution is:   Drumroll please:

Back in to your parking spot.

Done.  It's that easy.  When you drive away in the morning you are going forward and can see what you are going to hit.

No backup cameras needed.

The moron that started this whole mess was backing into his parking spot. He left his small child unsupervised and either failed to see the kid walking up to the car when checking all his mirrors and over his shoulder, or the child was standing behind the car the entire time and he failed to see the child when walking up to the car and getting in.


This. My daughter is 2, and can finally reach doorknobs. When I go out to move the car when the missus is headed home, she comes with me, gets buckled in every. single. time. for a 15' move. And when she gets old enough for a bed, I'm moving the deadbolt up on every door. Kids are morons.

Though, I wonder if said driveway had a blind area, like an enclosed carport tacked on in front of the garage, and the kid walked between the wall and car while the dad was watching backward.
 
2013-09-26 12:20:02 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Er. As I read it, they're suing to get the law passed.


Actually, the law was passed, but has supposedly been delayed several times:

FTFA:
Gulbransen reached out to KidsAndCars.org to champion for better visibility behind vehicles. Rep. Peter King, R-NY, introduced a bill in 2003 dubbed "Cameron's law," which would have required safety standards that would hopefully reduce the likelihood of such accidents. The bill, however, never made it out of committee.

Eventually the Cameron Gulbransen Kids Transportation Safety Act was passed in 2007. The law gave transportation officials three years in which to issue regulations that would help reduce backovers. Ray LaHood, then-Transportation Secretary, used a power written into the law to announce delay after delay in implementing the rule that would require back-up cameras in all new cars by 2014.
 
2013-09-26 12:20:42 AM  

fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?


From the report I saw on ABC News earlier, It's about $2,000 if you get it as an add-on option from the deal, or about $200 if you get an aftermarket kit installed for you.
 
2013-09-26 12:21:27 AM  

fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?


Or, y'know, look in the mirror and check your blind spots just like millions and millions of other people have managed to do every single day for the last several decades before reverse sensors or cameras were even available.  When 99.999999...% of cases of a particular act occur without incident, that tells me that the act itself isn't the issue.
 
2013-09-26 12:24:25 AM  

Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention), the US pass the following law:

No motor vehicle shall be operated by a driver who is not capable of safely operating a motor vehicle.


Proximity sensors make collision avoidance harder by half?  Oh please do explain this.  I so want to hear it, too!
 
2013-09-26 12:27:14 AM  

kombi: kombi: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

You have to remember cars now a days. Its a camera, More to the point a camera that runs on the cars buss. Then computer software so the cars computer will operate the camera. A trigger so the camera will turn on when backing up. A screen. A screen that talks to the cars computer. Then its own dedicated fuse and power lines. So the way car industry works. I would say atleast a grand more on each car. Thats not including dash redesigns and everything else involved. And the way the government pushes. They will probably require it saves the video to the cars black box in case of an accident. And knowing lawsuits it wont only be cameras. All cars will require rear radar. Wait another 10 years when all cars will be required to have accident avoidance and auto parking. Ill stick with my 80 f150

Oh and not including the body redesign to hide the camera.

Remember this is for EVERY car. Not just trucks and SUV's. So if you have a Vett or Cooper mini any kind of small car. You will have a back up camera.
 
2013-09-26 12:27:32 AM  
The only semi-justifiable reason for backing into a parking spot is if you intend to rob a bank.
 
2013-09-26 12:28:18 AM  

Fade2black: It's the Liberal version of full circle right there. I love the government, but I'm not responsible for my own actions. Why do you smite me, oh government?


In contrast to the Conservative view of Government: "No handouts! Except for us!"

farm4.staticflickr.com

/We lost everything in a flood! For the fourth year in a row! Guess we'll just have to rebuild....
 
2013-09-26 12:30:36 AM  
Adding a camera on the rear bumper is a stop-gap. Add that radar shiat that stops your car if something comes in range while you're backing up. Yes, American car industry, I am willing to pay for the additional cost of radar-breaking mechanisms. Because otherwise I'm probably going to back out at the exact same time as some lady in the grocery store parking lot, and the laws of physics, vision, and car design will mean that neither of us saw the other backing out.
 
2013-09-26 12:31:09 AM  

Goimir: How about, instead of mandating abs (which increases stopping distances for those who know how to drive), traction control (which makes pulling out on loose terrain take longer for those who know how to drive), proximity sensors (which make collision avoidance harder by half for those who are actually paying attention), the US pass the following law:

No motor vehicle shall be operated by a driver who is not capable of safely operating a motor vehicle.


This, and this again.

It's odd, to me at least, that nobody started backing over their kids in driveways until suddenly a) drivers' ed courses stopped being mandatory in high schools, and b) the technology which would allow people not to ensure there weren't kids in the driveway before they began backing up became widely available.

I mean, cars were no bigger, no heavier, no more unwieldy, had no smaller blind spots, in the 50's and 60's; but what they DIDN'T have was people who expected hi-tek to do everything for them. So people made sure the kids were either not behind the car or knew better than to stand in the driveway BEFORE they hopped in and drove away. Now people have an expectation that "something" will magically keep kids away from cars, and kids are getting hit.
 
2013-09-26 12:31:34 AM  

kombi: fusillade762: How much does it cost to slap a camera on the back bumper? How is this any different than any other safety feature on a car?

You have to remember cars now a days. Its a camera, More to the point a camera that runs on the cars buss. Then computer software so the cars computer will operate the camera. A trigger so the camera will turn on when backing up. A screen. A screen that talks to the cars computer. Then its own dedicated fuse and power lines. So the way car industry works. I would say atleast a grand more on each car. Thats not including dash redesigns and everything else involved. And the way the government pushes. They will probably require it saves the video to the cars black box in case of an accident. And knowing lawsuits it wont only be cameras. All cars will require rear radar. Wait another 10 years when all cars will be required to have accident avoidance and auto parking. Ill stick with my 80 f150


It wouldn't cost anywhere near $1,000 per car.  Most new cars have screen already, or will have them when the next redesign comes.  LCDs are cheap.  Even for cars that don't have them they can spec a different rearview mirror with a screen behind the mirror.  All it takes is a single cable running between the screen and the camera to provide signal and power, and since pretty much all automatic transmissions are shift by wire these days, it's not hard to set it up to trigger the camera automatically when you shift into reverse (I'm sure something could be done for manuals as well).

The high end estimate is little under $200 per car, in all likelihood if it were mandated the automakers could do it for well under $100 per car, which is chump change in the overall price of a vehicle.

They won't need to make sure it will last ten years, they'll have to make sure it lasts the 3-5 years for the bumper to bumper warranty, more or less.
 
2013-09-26 12:31:44 AM  

RottNDude: This reminds me of that douchebag Infiniti SUV commercial where douchebag Dad in his douchebag luxury SUV fails to look behind him when he's backing out of his douchbag HOA community driveway and almost runs over some douchebag kid, but the auto-radar-braking system kicks in and stops the car.  Douchebag dad looks over at douchebag wife with a look of douchebag relief that his luxury douchebag SUV made up for his douchey inattentiveness.

Infinity.  For Douches.


Seriously, that's a selling feature? What if you're in a situation where there's an armed rapist standing behind the car, and you want to reverse run him over? Would the "safety feature" kick in and prevent you from doing so? If so, that's shiatty.
 
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