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2013-09-25 11:31:44 PM

Mad_Radhu: [momentumbooks.com.au image 640x364]


Really good episode. Doesn't hurt that it has Brian Cranston.
 
2013-09-25 11:31:53 PM
So, I'm the only one who read that initially and thought... "So, he was an radical Environmentalist?"
 
2013-09-25 11:32:21 PM

Arachnophobe: I never did trust that grinning little bastard.

[i1126.photobucket.com image 250x400]

Always watching... always judging... probably whispering things.


He can't help being a misfit.
3.bp.blogspot.com
He really just wants to be a dentist.
 
2013-09-25 11:32:59 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

farking liberals
 
2013-09-25 11:36:39 PM
chloegetsaclue.com

He's always to blame.
 
2013-09-25 11:37:56 PM

raerae1980: You know, I complain about having allergies but DAAAAMMN, mental illness is a biatch.


Yeah...it is.

But its not always like the murderous people you see in the news.

It doesnt have to mean you spend your life in an institution or a zombie. Many people with "mental illnesses" take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well.

I am an advanced-practice nurse. I specialize in trauma. My whole career is focused on saving the lives of people who would otherwise die.

I also have bipolar disorder. (Okay, its technically not a true mental illness, but close enough to make my point). Ive learned how to actually use some of the symptoms to my advantage (being able to think ungodly fast, a near-photographic memory, my ability to connect, etc). I am also one of only TWO APN's in my state classified as "Magnet Status" nurses...in the top 0.5% of nurses in my field.

I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Mental illness does not make one less-than.
 
2013-09-25 11:38:06 PM
By all means let's give this twisted fark some more publicity.
 
2013-09-25 11:38:19 PM
Another tragic case of the boy who cried ELF.
 
2013-09-25 11:40:06 PM

toraque: Well, someone has to stand up to the Earth Liberation Front!


Environmentalists are behind everything!
 
2013-09-25 11:40:56 PM
I'd probably go crazy too if I had ELO playing in my head 24/7.
 
2013-09-25 11:42:23 PM

Curious: NewportBarGuy: Releasing it serves absolutely no public service.

sure it does, all the CC folks can now know how to launch a counter attack. why if just one CC holder was there this guy would have been stopped cold.

sorry doyner but i wanted to preempt the CC crowd.


S'all good.  I'm rather calloused to it.  A more philosophical view coupled with my own statistical realism is enough for now.

But thanks for the consideration.
 
2013-09-25 11:42:27 PM
Strange, I thought people started getting schizophrenia in their early 20s, either he was medicated before this or he is faking it IMO.
 
2013-09-25 11:45:36 PM
It saddens me though to see so many people making fun of someone who was obviously very sick.

Remember charlie sheen's hypomania and the cruel shiat said?

THAT is EXACTLY the kind of stigma and shaming that makes people too ashamed to seek the help that they need.

What this guy did was terrible. Perhaps it would never have happened if we stop treating mental illness and the people who suffer from it with such ridicule.
 
2013-09-25 11:46:12 PM
No one likes an elf, they get a bonus just for helping, that's why you should try to get someone else in the party to help you
 
2013-09-25 11:46:17 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: Strange, I thought people started getting schizophrenia in their early 20s, either he was medicated before this or he is faking it IMO.


*facepalm*
 
2013-09-25 11:46:52 PM
20 years from now, declassified documents are going to confirm that the military really was sending him low-frequency mind-control messages.

What if all those schizos are completely correct...and we don't believe them because they're crazy?
 
2013-09-25 11:46:53 PM

Kenny B: By all means let's give this twisted fark some more publicity.


He's dead so... it's probably OK. I for one would like to see more publicity about this, as the core of the newsworthiness is how a seriously mentally ill person was able to buy a gun and keep access to a supposedly secure military facility in the first place.
 
2013-09-25 11:47:43 PM
Que Politician blaming fantasy MMO games that feature elves as playable characters
 
2013-09-25 11:48:52 PM

NewportBarGuy: Personally? I blame KLF

It's Three A.M., Three A.M.
It's Three A.M. eternal
Eternal

KLF is gonna rock you


The ancients of mumu

I owned this...on tape
 
2013-09-25 11:49:52 PM
FTFA: "Sawed-off shotgun"

LOL
 
2013-09-25 11:50:05 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: raerae1980: You know, I complain about having allergies but DAAAAMMN, mental illness is a biatch.

Yeah...it is.

But its not always like the murderous people you see in the news.

It doesnt have to mean you spend your life in an institution or a zombie. Many people with "mental illnesses" take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well.

I am an advanced-practice nurse. I specialize in trauma. My whole career is focused on saving the lives of people who would otherwise die.

I also have bipolar disorder. (Okay, its technically not a true mental illness, but close enough to make my point). Ive learned how to actually use some of the symptoms to my advantage (being able to think ungodly fast, a near-photographic memory, my ability to connect, etc). I am also one of only TWO APN's in my state classified as "Magnet Status" nurses...in the top 0.5% of nurses in my field.

I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Mental illness does not make one less-than.


Amen.

Although a friend's brother is a Type I diabetic and an anesthesiologist. I've always wondered about his insurance rates. Among other things.
 
2013-09-25 11:53:59 PM
Is an ELF a new type of AR15?
 
2013-09-25 11:54:37 PM

Curious: why if just one CC holder was there this guy would have been stopped cold


How is an AmEx or MasterCard going to stop a mass murder?
 
2013-09-25 11:55:57 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The moral of the story is that ensuring that the mentally ill don't have access to guns will only make mentally ill owners of legal guns less likely to seek treatment for their mental illnesses, which they don't do anyways because they own massive amounts of guns.


Actually...this ^ sad as it is. My dad is developing Alzheimer's and at his age, with the collection he has I worry for the safety of his new family ala Junior Soprano
 
2013-09-25 11:56:42 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.


Thank you.
 
2013-09-25 11:57:19 PM
Elf?

horrorhomework.com
 
2013-09-25 11:57:24 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: The more you eat the more you fart: raerae1980: You know, I complain about having allergies but DAAAAMMN, mental illness is a biatch.

Yeah...it is.

But its not always like the murderous people you see in the news.

It doesnt have to mean you spend your life in an institution or a zombie. Many people with "mental illnesses" take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well.

I am an advanced-practice nurse. I specialize in trauma. My whole career is focused on saving the lives of people who would otherwise die.

I also have bipolar disorder. (Okay, its technically not a true mental illness, but close enough to make my point). Ive learned how to actually use some of the symptoms to my advantage (being able to think ungodly fast, a near-photographic memory, my ability to connect, etc). I am also one of only TWO APN's in my state classified as "Magnet Status" nurses...in the top 0.5% of nurses in my field.

I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Mental illness does not make one less-than.

Amen.

Although a friend's brother is a Type I diabetic and an anesthesiologist. I've always wondered about his insurance rates. Among other things.


I couldnt even begin to explain what its like...so i rarely even try.

However..my insurance rates are higher than average, but not by a huge amount.
 
2013-09-25 11:59:50 PM

HotWingAgenda: The more you eat the more you fart: I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Thank you.


Oh...and i also own several firearms. Im a lifelong hunter. Strangely to some of you, ive never gone on a shooting rampage.
 
2013-09-26 12:05:56 AM
Can we blame Art Bell and George Nouri for promulgating and giving air time to this cockamamie theory?
If Rush Limbaugh  is scripting the Republican agenda those two airheads have giving marching orders to lots of wack jobs.
 
2013-09-26 12:09:42 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: raerae1980: You know, I complain about having allergies but DAAAAMMN, mental illness is a biatch.

Yeah...it is.

But its not always like the murderous people you see in the news.

It doesnt have to mean you spend your life in an institution or a zombie. Many people with "mental illnesses" take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well.

I am an advanced-practice nurse. I specialize in trauma. My whole career is focused on saving the lives of people who would otherwise die.

I also have bipolar disorder. (Okay, its technically not a true mental illness, but close enough to make my point). Ive learned how to actually use some of the symptoms to my advantage (being able to think ungodly fast, a near-photographic memory, my ability to connect, etc). I am also one of only TWO APN's in my state classified as "Magnet Status" nurses...in the top 0.5% of nurses in my field.

I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Mental illness does not make one less-than.


Good for you! But we are our brains, and when our brains are defective then it might not be possible for them to "take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well"  even under medication.
 
2013-09-26 12:09:50 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-26 12:11:19 AM

talkertopc: The more you eat the more you fart: raerae1980: You know, I complain about having allergies but DAAAAMMN, mental illness is a biatch.

Yeah...it is.

But its not always like the murderous people you see in the news.

It doesnt have to mean you spend your life in an institution or a zombie. Many people with "mental illnesses" take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well.

I am an advanced-practice nurse. I specialize in trauma. My whole career is focused on saving the lives of people who would otherwise die.

I also have bipolar disorder. (Okay, its technically not a true mental illness, but close enough to make my point). Ive learned how to actually use some of the symptoms to my advantage (being able to think ungodly fast, a near-photographic memory, my ability to connect, etc). I am also one of only TWO APN's in my state classified as "Magnet Status" nurses...in the top 0.5% of nurses in my field.

I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Mental illness does not make one less-than.

Good for you! But we are our brains, and when our brains are defective then it might not be possible for them to "take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well"  even under medication.


Not all mental illness = "defective brain"
 
2013-09-26 12:14:21 AM
'sigh' it's just a simple option to enable a.out binary support. Doesn't anyone compile their own linux kernels anymore?
 
2013-09-26 12:18:26 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: HotWingAgenda: The more you eat the more you fart: I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Thank you.

Oh...and i also own several firearms. Im a lifelong hunter. Strangely to some of you, ive never gone on a shooting rampage.


As you aptly pointed out, bipolar disorder isn't really insanity. It's fully manageable if the person, like you, has a modicum of responsibility and discipline, and access to the right chemicals to restore balance. I have people in my life with paranoid schizophrenia; there is no real treatment for that, aside from antipsychotics which only blunt the symptoms. Based on his behavior and the nature and manifestation of his delusions, the guy that shot up the Navy Yard also was paranoid schizophrenic. My mother has the exact same delusion that he had about being microwaved and mind-controlled.
 
2013-09-26 12:21:44 AM

One Bad Apple: [si0.twimg.com image 500x500]


Wanted for questioning

sexual gratification

/empties load, but nobody gets hurt
 
2013-09-26 12:24:58 AM

syrynxx: That's unbelievable.


OH REALLY?

You think the military would develop a technology to do EXACTLY THIS and not actually USE it?
 
2013-09-26 12:26:47 AM

rwa2: 'sigh' it's just a simple option to enable a.out binary support. Doesn't anyone compile their own linux kernels anymore?


I miss the easy Wine integration with binfmt_misc...
 
2013-09-26 12:29:37 AM

rwa2: 'sigh' it's just a simple option to enable a.out binary support. Doesn't anyone compile their own linux kernels anymore?


After several days attempting to implement support for some weird hardware and failing to get to a bootable state, I think we can all understand feeling a little shooty.
 
2013-09-26 12:31:51 AM

HotWingAgenda: The more you eat the more you fart: HotWingAgenda: The more you eat the more you fart: I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Thank you.

Oh...and i also own several firearms. Im a lifelong hunter. Strangely to some of you, ive never gone on a shooting rampage.

As you aptly pointed out, bipolar disorder isn't really insanity. It's fully manageable if the person, like you, has a modicum of responsibility and discipline, and access to the right chemicals to restore balance. I have people in my life with paranoid schizophrenia; there is no real treatment for that, aside from antipsychotics which only blunt the symptoms. Based on his behavior and the nature and manifestation of his delusions, the guy that shot up the Navy Yard also was paranoid schizophrenic. My mother has the exact same delusion that he had about being microwaved and mind-controlled.


Im sorry for what you mother suffers from and theyour impact it (probably) has on you and yours.

However..my original point was that until peotheple wake up and have some compassion, and stop treating the mentally ill like circus sideshows or with contempt, those that have them will understandably be reticent to seek treatment.

The first thought that went through MY mind when i was diagnosed was, sadly "Oh my God...there goes my marriage and my friends." Sadly, i was largely correct on both counts.

we would never make fun of someone with cancer...but a schizophrenic who is convinced demons have possessed him and the fbi is controlling his thoughts is funny shiat right?
 
2013-09-26 12:32:19 AM

President Merkin Muffley: syrynxx: That's unbelievable.

OH REALLY?

You think the military would develop a technology to do EXACTLY THIS and not actually USE it?


Oh for pete's sake. The guy was mentally ill, the system failed him, he acted on his madness and tragedy ensued. It's sad, but he had a long, weird history of weirdness.

If he'd thought the Russians were monitoring him by satellite, the existence of Russia and satellites doesn't make that MORE credible. It just makes him the same kind of crazy in a different flavor.

/or if he had Morgellons, vapor trails, Truman show delusions, or a million other ways schizos go according to taste and timing.
 
2013-09-26 12:33:40 AM
God, I hate the Linux executable file format, too, but I'm not going to go shoot up a Navy base over it...
 
2013-09-26 12:35:45 AM

Arachnophobe: I never did trust that grinning little bastard.

[i1126.photobucket.com image 250x400]

Always watching... always judging... probably whispering things.


Oh. My. God. My parents had that little guy. I can remember hauling him out every Christmas. Wow.
 
2013-09-26 12:37:37 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: we would never make fun of someone with cancer...but a schizophrenic who is convinced demons have possessed him and the fbi is controlling his thoughts is funny shiat right?


Sure, right up until they try to kill you in your sleep. Or walk into your office with a shotgun.

I'm probably just too close to this to see the humor.
 
2013-09-26 12:41:15 AM

HotWingAgenda: The more you eat the more you fart: we would never make fun of someone with cancer...but a schizophrenic who is convinced demons have possessed him and the fbi is controlling his thoughts is funny shiat right?

Sure, right up until they try to kill you in your sleep. Or walk into your office with a shotgun.

I'm probably just too close to this to see the humor.


Um..perhaps u missed the fact that im actually agreeing with you?
 
2013-09-26 12:44:04 AM

The more you eat the more you fart: raerae1980: You know, I complain about having allergies but DAAAAMMN, mental illness is a biatch.

Yeah...it is.

But its not always like the murderous people you see in the news.

It doesnt have to mean you spend your life in an institution or a zombie. Many people with "mental illnesses" take vigilant responsibility for themselves and ensuring they stay well.

I am an advanced-practice nurse. I specialize in trauma. My whole career is focused on saving the lives of people who would otherwise die.

I also have bipolar disorder. (Okay, its technically not a true mental illness, but close enough to make my point). Ive learned how to actually use some of the symptoms to my advantage (being able to think ungodly fast, a near-photographic memory, my ability to connect, etc). I am also one of only TWO APN's in my state classified as "Magnet Status" nurses...in the top 0.5% of nurses in my field.

I stay on the meds..i am constantly acutely aware of my status, and take responsibility for doing everything I can to stay stable.

Mental illness does not make one less-than.


Which is our responsibility. I also am bipolar, type I rapid cycler (and if there's anything less fun, it is only schizophrenia), and I push constantly for changes in the laws that would let people intervene more intensively in the lives of people like Alexis BEFORE it comes to this, without excessive infringement on his civil rights. We have reached, I think, a tipping point in society where that line needs to be redrawn. A closer scrutiny of this man's background would have prevented him ever having either access to firearms or access to the Navy Yard; and better mental health care would have gotten him treatment (possibly against his immediate will) before he was so far gone he was hearing voices commanding him to kill.

Society needs to acknowledge that treating those who have command hallucinations is simply NOT a violation of their "civil rights" because they are obeying orders that a reasonable, rational person would not want to obey. Does anyone truly think Alexis sane would have done what Alexis insane ultimately did? But because of the laws now in place, his therapist could only let him go after this troubled man told him he was hearing voices telling him to kill. Because those voices had not given him commands specific enough to warrant "a threat to others."

At some point, perhaps we will grow up enough as a society to balance the needs of everyone and admit that we can care for the mentally ill even if it means partially suspending their right to choose for a short period of time. And I say that as one who might have to have her rights partially suspended for a short period of time. If I were hearing voices commanding me to kill, I would hope someone would do that before it was necessary for a police sniper to take me down.
 
2013-09-26 12:47:22 AM
And I can't get it out of my head (ooo-oo)
No, I can't get it out of my head (ooo-oo)
Now I'm leaving co-workers for dead
Cause I can't get it out of my head, no no, no no
 
2013-09-26 12:48:00 AM
ELF responsible?

No way.

Greyface and the MC5 lie!
 
2013-09-26 12:50:31 AM
Gyrfalcon

I am also type 1..but no rapid cycling.

I think most people just cannot understand to be honest.


Well..obviously they cannot unless they too have it, but you know what I mean.

For me, my main two symptoms are severe insomnia and crushing, paralyzing emotional pain without a clear cause...usually.

I was just saying...its not a death sentence if everyone would wake up.

I also agree..rules suspended for those obviously in trouble.
 
2013-09-26 12:52:26 AM

Arachnophobe: I never did trust that grinning little bastard.

[i1126.photobucket.com image 250x400]

Always watching... always judging... probably whispering things.


Snitches get stitches.
 
2013-09-26 12:55:03 AM
sooo I know everyone is masturbating to Will Ferrel right now, but I'm gonna go ahead and say, that Very Low Frequency sound certainly can be weaponized, and can have very strong effects on the human body.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
this doesn't go into the weaponization but if I recall, any weapons using this were banned by treaty, but I could be wrong.
Either way, I do not even a little bit believe he was being subjected to such a weapon.
 
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