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2013-09-25 09:49:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.


Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.
 
2013-09-25 09:57:23 PM
Nope.
 
2013-09-25 10:09:39 PM

snocone: cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.

Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.


You should see a doctor.
 
2013-09-25 10:13:35 PM

Opiate of the Lasses: jaylectricity: DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?

I was led to believe that Costco was way better than BJ's and Sam's Club.

Nothing's better than BJs

/oh, wait...
//what's the difference between eggs, your wife and a blowjob?


The eggs just exist. The wife and the blowjob need feedback. And if it's not the right feedback, look out.
 
2013-09-25 10:15:49 PM

Corvus: MY buddy just started his own self employed business and now needs to buy insurance over the exchange. It will cost him $1000 dollars a year LESS getting it through the exchange than it was going to cost him then if he would have bought it through COBRA.

Sorry guys but it's working.


Why does your socialist fascist communist muslim buddy hate America?
 
2013-09-25 10:17:55 PM

Notabunny: Corvus: MY buddy just started his own self employed business and now needs to buy insurance over the exchange. It will cost him $1000 dollars a year LESS getting it through the exchange than it was going to cost him then if he would have bought it through COBRA.

Sorry guys but it's working.

Why does your socialist fascist communist muslim buddy hate America?


By the end of the year, they will be calling this an entitlement and want to cut it.
 
2013-09-25 10:24:06 PM
Will The People's Republic of America get a new national anthem? Because the old one was a biatch to sing. Maybe something along the lines of Row, Row, Row Your Boat would be nice.
 
2013-09-25 10:24:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: snocone: cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.

Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.

You should see a doctor.


Apparently he is one.

I have him "favorited" as legitimately disturbed person
 
2013-09-25 10:41:32 PM
Go to the south. They havent had mom and pops businesses since at least the mid 90's.
 
2013-09-25 10:47:01 PM

StopLurkListen: Right, because until now healthcare has been run by mom&pop HMOs and not totally multi-billion dollar corporations dominated by rapacious scoundrels.

[freakoutnation.com image 414x452]


I've said it before, I'll say it again: the Conservative Media's recasting of the insurance industry as stalwart heroes of the people is one of its greatest achievements of the last twenty years.
 
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2013-09-25 11:13:22 PM

snocone: Oh really?
You Partisan hacks think your insurance companies go to Costco or Walmart.
Ha Ha.

What irrelevant idiots.
Insurance Industry wrote your precious, how you say "Obamacare".
These chumps are just the delivery boys.


/that there is a non racist "boy", yup




well. this seems familiar. let me guess : "best part..... forever" ?
 
2013-09-25 11:18:09 PM

Somacandra: freak7: On a related note, I received a letter from the VA today explaining that since I'm enrolled, I don't have to do anything to meet the requirements for health insurance under Obamacare.

Well I would certainly hope so. Given that the VA is a government agency, you would want them to be pretty seamlessly integrated.


Many of the staunchest critics of "socialized medicine" get their medical care from the VA.
 
2013-09-25 11:21:03 PM
Man, the subby's are really getting desperate to shut this thing down before Tuesday.  Costco = awesome
 
2013-09-25 11:22:19 PM
Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!


lh4.googleusercontent.com

Seriously. Pushing this moniker does what exactly?

lh3.googleusercontent.com

Truly, I feel for you at this point.

lh3.googleusercontent.com

As for the rest of the thread...I call upon a plethora of my patented Firefly Motivators, because, Captain Mal pretty much summed up the problem that we see with the HCR debate...

lh4.googleusercontent.com

This is the first step, a baby step even, to folks realizing that we could actually eliminate the health insurance industry entirely, and join the rest of the civilized world, and disaster would only befall a few folks who are investing in companies that are REALLY committed to you never getting paid out. Yes, it is a terrifying world that might mean that these companies might be forced to rely on selling malpractice insurance instead of family plans, and looking to dump folks regularly from the rolls before they get ill.

Yes. It will mean that some folks are going to take a bath as their stocks are reduced to nil, but if they are sufficiently diversified, they'll make it through all right. Yes, there will be a transition period, where a lot of folks may have to transition from making calls to get payments from insurers, and instead focus on actual care, but we'll muddle through. Maybe even some of those fine call center folks could be retrained, because I'm sure that the insurance folks who lost their cushy jobs will have a bit more free time to call someone with a sessy voice, and maybe a little one on one time with someone who is being paid to pretend to f*ck you might be more fun than paying them to f*ck someone over by proxy...
 
2013-09-25 11:26:50 PM

netcentric: I don't know if it will be like Costco, but it appears it will cost about $20 more a month for some folks to get the same policy they could have gotten last year.


Given that purchasing a policy as an individual person instead of through an employer is next to impossible for many-to-most people under the old system, I suspect that the number of people who could have obtained such a policy for $20 less is very small.  Myself, I had to buy insurance through my state's "uninsurables" program.  Fortunately, my state had one.
 
2013-09-25 11:28:13 PM

I_C_Weener: ...spital" offices

hiat enter too soon.


And holy shiat is that a hilarious mistake.

Hey, did you know that Ho Hos were named after Chinese hookers?
/no? That's cause they weren't, you racist bastard
 
2013-09-25 11:37:33 PM

Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.


They ought to be, they wrote the damn law.
 
2013-09-25 11:40:53 PM

AeAe: The Kirkland brand items are as good as the name brands.

Costco is pretty awesome actually


Can you count on the Kirkland products being available every time you go to Costco?  What turned me off was that on one visit they would have 55 gallon drums of Metamucil but no liquid antacid, the next visit the reverse.
 
2013-09-25 11:47:42 PM

hubiestubert: Yes, there will be a transition period, where a lot of folks may have to transition from making calls to get payments from insurers, and instead focus on actual care, but we'll muddle through. Maybe even some of those fine call center folks could be retrained, because I'm sure that the insurance folks who lost their cushy jobs will have a bit more free time to call someone with a sessy voice, and maybe a little one on one time with someone who is being paid to pretend to f*ck you might be more fun than paying them to f*ck someone over by proxy...


Currently, the existing insurance companies employ a lot of people to find ways to weasel out of as many claims as possible, legitimate or otherwise.  Since the ACA enables people to buy insurance with these very same companies...why wouldn't business continue as usual?
 
2013-09-25 11:59:24 PM

flondrix: hubiestubert: Yes, there will be a transition period, where a lot of folks may have to transition from making calls to get payments from insurers, and instead focus on actual care, but we'll muddle through. Maybe even some of those fine call center folks could be retrained, because I'm sure that the insurance folks who lost their cushy jobs will have a bit more free time to call someone with a sessy voice, and maybe a little one on one time with someone who is being paid to pretend to f*ck you might be more fun than paying them to f*ck someone over by proxy...

Currently, the existing insurance companies employ a lot of people to find ways to weasel out of as many claims as possible, legitimate or otherwise.  Since the ACA enables people to buy insurance with these very same companies...why wouldn't business continue as usual?


Because this is a temporary step, I think. The hurdle has been to reform health care, and the eventual logical step is to go single payer. Which, to be honest, would have been a much harder sell at the get go, and this is a baby step to getting folks used to the idea, beyond Medicare and Medicaid's services.

It won't happen right away. Perhaps not even in my lifetime, but I do think it will happen, and when it does, we'll wonder why in the Hells it took so long to join the rest of the civilized world in this. Actually, we won't wonder, because we know that it was because a lot of folks made mad bank betting on folks to NOT be sick, or to simply NOT be paid out because of illness or injury. It is a racket, and this is still paying middlemen, but at some point, every businessman realizes that it's better to go directly to the source, as opposed to using middlemen if you want to insure quality and delivery. Eventually, by touting their keen business sense, some member of the GOP is going to spark that idea, and it will THEN take the party by storm. It might be the saving of her, but I don't think it's going to happen soonish...
 
2013-09-26 12:15:55 AM

o5iiawah: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The greatest nation in the world brought to its knees by something every other industrialized nation on the planet has no trouble with? 80% of Europe cant afford


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-09-26 12:53:41 AM
Aristocles: What would KMFDM do?

Laibach and take it.
 
2013-09-26 01:05:36 AM

flondrix: AeAe: The Kirkland brand items are as good as the name brands.

Costco is pretty awesome actually

Can you count on the Kirkland products being available every time you go to Costco?  What turned me off was that on one visit they would have 55 gallon drums of Metamucil but no liquid antacid, the next visit the reverse.


I've never seen the Kirkland stuff not there.  Sometimes the name brand stuff comes and goes (I miss those sweet chili rice chips they used to get!), but the Kirkland stuff is always readily available.
 
2013-09-26 01:06:27 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Laugh it up, libtardos.

We'll see who's still laughing when doctors are begging in the streets with, "Will heal for food" cardboard signs and hospitals are staffed with extras from Mad Max.


Who run Kaisertown?
 
2013-09-26 01:21:18 AM

Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.


I think it's going to be largely a wash.  Insurance companies are getting more healthy people, but they're also forced to take sick people even with pre-existing conditions, and they lose some of their tools that they used to use to keep their profits up (lifetime caps, etc.)

Plus the fact that plans must offer comprehensive services and spend more than a certain percentage of their revenue on paying medical expenses will get rid of a lot of the predatory too-good-to-be-true plans that offered low rates by providing terrible levels of coverage.
 
2013-09-26 01:35:05 AM
Someone who has bought individual health insurance feel free to explain to me why these companies dying is a bad thing.

Because when I was starting a business in America I tried to buy individual insurance.  Here's what happened.

- To start, I am a 30 year old healthy non-smoker.  I rarely have to go to the doctor, don't have any diseases, etc.

- Applied for health insurance.  Filling out the 20 page form took hours and involved listing every time I'd been to a doctor or taken any drugs in the last 5 years, listing every family member who had any disease, etc.

- Called by health insurance person and interrogated over the phone about my application and general health for an hour.

- Surprise!  I was rejected. I had a concussion in a freak accident 1.5 years ago.  I lose.

- I call and try to dispute the rejection.  The phone support for people who have been rejected is designed all the way through to frustrate and stall the person until they give up and go away.  They have zero intention of fixing my issues.

- After hours on the phone, I am told by everyone I can speak to that the "underwriting department" that rejected me is off limits and there's no way to talk to them or appeal.  I am told my best bet is to get a doctors' note supporting my case as a healthy person.

- Went to doctor, got note.  Faxed the note to the number I was given.

- They didn't get the note - try this other number?  Rinse, repeat.

- After three faxes to three different numbers, they acknowledge that I sent them a doctor's note.

- Wait two weeks for the note to get to the underwriting department.

- Nope, still rejected.

- Can't get insurance from any other provider because I now have to check a box that says I was rejected for health insurance in the past year.  I might as well be a chain smoking heroin addict with terminal cancer at this point.


So that was fun.  Resolving my health insurance situation took an incredible amount of my time and energy when I should have been focusing on my business (spoiler - I found someone who would help us start a 2 person group plan even though took a bit of bending the rules.  Group plans can't reject you.)

Anyway, I hope these companies die.  All of them.
 
2013-09-26 01:50:35 AM
wow, that article was written like a High School English Composition assignment.  and any teacher with modest ability would give it a B-, mostly for having few spelling errors and forming complete sentences.
 
2013-09-26 02:08:28 AM

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


From what I understand, Costco treats their employees quite well...very low turnover.
Judging by the sheer numbers of people there, they also have a pretty broad 'satisfied customer' base.
So, the company does well by both its employees and its customers.

This is a bad business model how?

/ Time to make a Costco run tomorrow...
// Their turkey/provolone sammies are yummy!
 
2013-09-26 02:18:26 AM

sdd2000: Funny since Costco offers health insurance in several states for their customers and insures most of their employees, including some part timers.


That reminds me...I just got a REALLY sweet deal on my home and car insurance through them!
Saved meself $50 a month...plus a 'free' month on the house and 2 'free' months on the car every year...
 
2013-09-26 02:21:59 AM
He made a lot of assertions as if he were stating facts but, and I know you won't believe this since he's writing for Fox News, he's lying.
 
2013-09-26 02:26:42 AM

The Flexecutioner: wow, that article was written like a High School English Composition assignment.  and any teacher with modest ability would give it a B-, mostly for having few spelling errors and forming complete sentences.


Above your grade level then.
 
2013-09-26 02:34:28 AM

balloot: Anyway, I hope these companies die.  All of them.


That's a terrible thing to say, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Insurance companies are people, my friend.  Vicious, sociopathic people who deserve a plague of inflamed boils.
 
2013-09-26 03:32:43 AM

o5iiawah: The only world-class hospitals in Cuba the United States are the ones that the connected class get to access. The modern, sleek, clean Cuban American hospitals you see are a Potempkin village for the rich, and don't take Medicaid.


Please tell me how my FTFY is any less true than what you wrote.

o5iiawah: I'll believe that Cuba is a world-class health system when drug companies relocate their HQs there and all the best and highest-paid athletes in the world are flown there to get bone, joint and muscle remedies


Interesting definition of "world class" you have there. Most professional athletes are going to be treated by physicians based in whatever country the team they play for is based in. If you consider World Cup soccer to have the best and highest-paid athletes in the world, then rest assured the Cuban national team is treated in Cuba. (check out their standings in the past few World Cups compared to the US). While you're at it, check out how the Cubans did in the past few World Baseball Classics against our highly paid American boys. They get treatment in Cuba.

Drug companies aren't located there because it is a communist government that is not big on private, for-profit ownership of companies that make their living from providing things like medicine that are necessary for people to live. This is one of the few advantages to communism - removal of the immoral profit motive for jacking up prices on medication, so the individual can either pay out his or her life savings for medication that costs literally pennies to manufacture, or die.

In other words, you have a very flawed definition of "world class". I would take a capitalist definition and say a health care system is "world class" if people who can afford to go elsewhere choose not to. Cuba definitely fits this definition.
 
2013-09-26 03:33:12 AM
You can graze at Costco .
 
2013-09-26 03:34:35 AM

netcentric: I don't know if it will be like Costco, but it appears it will cost about $20 more a month for some folks to get the same policy they could have gotten last year.


News Flash: Health insurance prices go up every year.

Under the old system some years ago, my dad's company's policy went up 30 PERCENT from one year to the next.  Not the fault of Obamacare because it hadn't been implemented yet.  Just the fault of the insurance company wanting more money.  And 30% of those premiums was a whole HELL of a lot more than twenty measly bucks.
 
2013-09-26 05:04:47 AM

balloot: Someone who has bought individual health insurance feel free to explain to me why these companies dying is a bad thing.

Because when I was starting a business in America I tried to buy individual insurance.  Here's what happened.

- To start, I am a 30 year old healthy non-smoker.  I rarely have to go to the doctor, don't have any diseases, etc.

- Applied for health insurance.  Filling out the 20 page form took hours and involved listing every time I'd been to a doctor or taken any drugs in the last 5 years, listing every family member who had any disease, etc.

- Called by health insurance person and interrogated over the phone about my application and general health for an hour.

- Surprise!  I was rejected. I had a concussion in a freak accident 1.5 years ago.  I lose.

- I call and try to dispute the rejection.  The phone support for people who have been rejected is designed all the way through to frustrate and stall the person until they give up and go away.  They have zero intention of fixing my issues.

- After hours on the phone, I am told by everyone I can speak to that the "underwriting department" that rejected me is off limits and there's no way to talk to them or appeal.  I am told my best bet is to get a doctors' note supporting my case as a healthy person.

- Went to doctor, got note.  Faxed the note to the number I was given.

- They didn't get the note - try this other number?  Rinse, repeat.

- After three faxes to three different numbers, they acknowledge that I sent them a doctor's note.

- Wait two weeks for the note to get to the underwriting department.

- Nope, still rejected.

- Can't get insurance from any other provider because I now have to check a box that says I was rejected for health insurance in the past year.  I might as well be a chain smoking heroin addict with terminal cancer at this point.


So that was fun.  Resolving my health insurance situation took an incredible amount of my time and energy when I should have been focusin ...


Why do you hate America. If you worked harder, you could just buy the insurance company, insure yourself, and fire the people who rejected you.
 
2013-09-26 05:54:08 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Laugh it up, libtardos.

We'll see who's still laughing when doctors are begging in the streets with, "Will heal for food" cardboard signs and hospitals are staffed with extras from Mad Max.


AWESOME! It's been my dream to get a prostate exam by Master Blaster.
 
2013-09-26 06:28:50 AM
Should have said walmart.
 
2013-09-26 06:40:14 AM

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


potterydove: Should have said walmart.


No. Fox and conservatives love Walmart because they don't pay their workers, they wouldn't dare talk shiat on them.
 
2013-09-26 06:49:46 AM
Maybe I'd take these concerns seriously if Obamacare weren't a Republican invention and if the Republicans hadn't run the poster boy for proto-Obamacare as their presidential candidate.
 
2013-09-26 08:03:10 AM

dracos31: Stop


you are LETTING IT HAPPEN by responding, hth
 
2013-09-26 08:18:11 AM
The bottom line is that the GOP seems to embrace entities, concepts, and policies which people generally view as negative.  This includes the ever important "base".  That is why they wrap their argument in jingoism and religion, because if they used logic and reason their argument would not go over with anyone.
 
2013-09-26 08:39:52 AM

Wake Up Sheeple: Aristocles: What would KMFDM do?

Laibach and take it.


Life Is Life, man.
 
2013-09-26 10:06:52 AM

karmaceutical: cameroncrazy1984: snocone: cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.

Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.

You should see a doctor.

Apparently he is one.

I have him "favorited" as legitimately disturbed person


Yes, my disturbance is legitimate.
I have papers to prove it.
 
2013-09-26 11:02:07 AM

Soup4Bonnie: I can get a jar of Nutella as big as my head at Costco and I was mistaken for Charlie Brown as a child.


i191.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-26 11:56:22 AM
9 month waiting list? Is he Canadian? I was infromed that you could get an appointment with any specialist within 48hrs, in the US. What's this crazy talk about waiting lists?
 
2013-09-26 12:38:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Aristocles: freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?

It will never happen. These people have been carrying water for BOB and the dems for years now... they're too jaded.

It's sad, really.

Who? Bob Corker? He's a Republican last I knew.


I think he means Bob Barker. Animal rights is a very contentious issue.
 
2013-09-26 04:39:27 PM

flondrix: AeAe: The Kirkland brand items are as good as the name brands.

Costco is pretty awesome actually

Can you count on the Kirkland products being available every time you go to Costco?  What turned me off was that on one visit they would have 55 gallon drums of Metamucil but no liquid antacid, the next visit the reverse.


Yep.  Always there.  Maybe we don't get the same things.
 
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