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(Fox News)   Obamacare is the Costco of medicine. And soon, your small town medical practice will become nothing more than an empty store front   ( foxnews.com) divider line
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2013-09-25 05:38:17 PM  
Isn't Costco good?
 
2013-09-25 05:42:51 PM  
Welcome to Obamacare, I love you.

www.enjoy-your-style.com
 
2013-09-25 05:43:03 PM  

CRY MOAR/big>center>

That is one seriously whiny, lie filled editorial.

 
2013-09-25 05:43:30 PM  
I refuse to clink a link where the url is: "october-1-private-health-care-ends-socialism-begin"

And also, if health care were like Costco, then maybe more people could afford it.
 
2013-09-25 05:45:04 PM  
Desperation is an ugly ugly thing, subby. You lost, get over it.
 
2013-09-25 05:46:27 PM  
Blahblahblahblah, and furthermore...

The greatest nation in the world brought to its knees by something every other industrialized nation on the planet has no trouble with?

/Why do you assholes hate America?
 
2013-09-25 05:49:44 PM  
Costco is pretty awesome.
 
2013-09-25 05:49:55 PM  
high quality, low prices. why is this not a good thing?
 
2013-09-25 05:52:46 PM  

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


But but but socialism
 
2013-09-25 05:53:53 PM  

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


They pay their employees far too much. Never give the serfs hope.
 
2013-09-25 05:58:36 PM  
I can see this sort of thing happening.  Already doctors and dentists are doing employee arrangements rather than a partnership, ownership arrangement (unrelated to Obamacare)  It caused me to switch dentists.  They just don't want the hassle of being business owners and want a 9-5 job.  It might even be a good thing, but it does seem like it might corporatize health care.
 
2013-09-25 06:00:23 PM  
Costco = boxes and boxes of decent booze, cheap!

Also, Costco has the lowest employee turnover rate in retail, partially because of high wages, and 90% of its workers qualify for, ahem, EMPLOYEE-SPONSORED HEALTH INSURANCE...when the going rate in retail is 60%. So we should be so lucky.
 
2013-09-25 06:01:36 PM  

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


I was led to believe that Costco was way better than BJ's and Sam's Club.
 
2013-09-25 06:07:08 PM  
OK, Costco is bad how exactly?
 
2013-09-25 06:09:00 PM  

Kittypie070: OK, Costco is bad how exactly?


I'm going to take a stab at this: Costco limits your choices. Sure, you are getting stuff cheap, but you only can get that ONE thing. What if you need that OTHER thing? Sorry. You are stuck because...

That's the best I can figure.
 
2013-09-25 06:10:20 PM  
LOL wat.
 
2013-09-25 06:10:48 PM  

Kittypie070: OK, Costco is bad how exactly?


Well, see, if Obamacare is Costco, then the current system is better because it's like a fancy restaurant that only decent people can afford (and who prepares their own meals anyway?!). You poors are now going to be able to eat actual groceries instead of fishing through the dumpster. Why, you might even grow accustomed to it!
 
2013-09-25 06:14:13 PM  

Dinki: Desperation is an ugly ugly thing, subby. You lost, get over it.


Brace yourselves. They're ramping it up.

It's going to be a perfect derp storm up until Oct. 1 and beyond, for as long as they can keep the BS going in the face of reality.
 
2013-09-25 06:16:33 PM  
Dude.
 
2013-09-25 06:22:35 PM  

Kittypie070: OK, Costco is bad how exactly?


Free samples on Sunday is SOCIALISM!
 
IP [TotalFark]
2013-09-25 06:26:27 PM  

Kittypie070: OK, Costco is bad how exactly?


They provide cheap hot dogs to turn you into a fatty.


/got nuthin'
 
2013-09-25 06:31:51 PM  

johnnieconnie: I refuse to clink a Fox News link where the url is: "october-1-private-health-care-ends-socialism-begin"

And also, if health care were like Costco, then maybe more people could afford it.


FTFM
 
2013-09-25 06:35:11 PM  
Well, shoot. I guess I'm going to have to start going to Kaiser instead of my favorite mom & pop chop shop for all my major surgeries.
 
2013-09-25 06:35:34 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The greatest nation in the world brought to its knees by something every other industrialized nation on the planet has no trouble with?

80% of Europe cant afford
 
2013-09-25 06:36:54 PM  

Kittypie070: OK, Costco is bad how exactly?


Unions!
 
2013-09-25 06:37:48 PM  
Right, because until now healthcare has been run by mom&pop HMOs and not totally multi-billion dollar corporations dominated by rapacious scoundrels.

freakoutnation.com
 
2013-09-25 06:39:54 PM  
I bet he really wanted to use Walmart, but they're a conservative company,  He then switched to Costco because the CEO spoke at the dem convention (i think). He didn't realized Costco is pretty sweet.

dnrtfa
 
2013-09-25 06:40:25 PM  
I'll miss that quaint little Blue Cross Blue Shield corner shop and all those handwritten "This is Not A Bill" statements.
 
2013-09-25 06:40:31 PM  
I can get a jar of Nutella as big as my head at Costco and I was mistaken for Charlie Brown as a child.
 
2013-09-25 06:41:27 PM  

jaylectricity: DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?

I was led to believe that Costco was way better than BJ's and Sam's Club.


Nothing's better than BJs

/oh, wait...
//what's the difference between eggs, your wife and a blowjob?
 
2013-09-25 06:42:09 PM  

Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!


Leave your Battery Operated Boyfriend out of this.
 
2013-09-25 06:42:31 PM  
First, private physicians' input has not been taken into consideration. Solo practitioners have always comprised the backbone of medical practice in this country, serving their patients and helping their local communities deal with day-to-day health issues.

And we all know perfectly well how they're going to be affected by this new law. They won't be able to keep their doors open and survive on the limits that all of these regulations will create for them.

Second, patient opinions have not been properly heard or considered. In survey after survey, Americans have voiced their dislike for this radical change.


Oh, sorry. For a second I thought you were talking about the GOP's insane level of anti-abortion clinic legislation.
 
2013-09-25 06:43:00 PM  

FlashHarry: high quality, low prices


No questions asked!

/if you shop anywhere else I'll have you killed
 
2013-09-25 06:44:50 PM  

Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!


Palate? Really?

Also, who's Bob?
 
2013-09-25 06:45:07 PM  
Jesus Christ. How do people believe this drivel.
 
2013-09-25 06:45:25 PM  

o5iiawah: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The greatest nation in the world brought to its knees by something every other industrialized nation on the planet has no trouble with? 80% of Europe cant afford


You're kidding, right?
 
2013-09-25 06:45:47 PM  

rikdanger: Costco = boxes and boxes of decent booze, cheap!

Also, Costco has the lowest employee turnover rate in retail, partially because of high wages, and 90% of its workers qualify for, ahem, EMPLOYEE-SPONSORED HEALTH INSURANCE...when the going rate in retail is 60%. So we should be so lucky.


You can find cool stuff in Costco that you didn't know existed, or great deals you weren't looking for...but afterwards I always have to go to a "normal" store to finish buying the stuff on my shopping list.  And the stuff you did find last week may not be there this week.

Also, no one there is able to tell you whether the store has a particular item or where it might be found.  I understand that is not how their business model works, but it is very inconvenient for someone who needs to buy something specific rather than cool stuff in general.  All in all, a very bad metaphor for heath care.
 
2013-09-25 06:46:10 PM  

Nuclear Monk: I'll miss that quaint little Blue Cross Blue Shield corner shop and all those handwritten "This is Not A Bill" statements.


Pretty much this, not in my entire lifetime has there been anything remotely like a "small town medical practice" anywhere I've lived in the North Eastern US, it's all group health care, clinics, hospitals and fights with insurance claims people to get my bills paid. My grandmother in Worcester had a private doctor who still made housecalls in the 1950's, but that was as close as I have ever gotten to these golden years of American medicine. My granddad died of a simple stomach infection shortly after that, an ailment that became routinely treatable only a decade after he passed, so, yeah, I vote we keep re-inventing medicine until we get to a robo-doc.
 
2013-09-25 06:46:22 PM  
fta: "To me, health care has three major components: medical professionals, profit, patients revenue and cost. money for my friends in Congress"
 
2013-09-25 06:46:32 PM  

johnnieconnie: I refuse to clink a link where the url is: "october-1-private-health-care-ends-socialism-begin"


Not "fair and balanced" enough for ya?
 
2013-09-25 06:47:12 PM  

mediablitz: Kittypie070: OK, Costco is bad how exactly?

I'm going to take a stab at this: Costco limits your choices. Sure, you are getting stuff cheap, but you only can get that ONE thing. What if you need that OTHER thing? Sorry. You are stuck because...

That's the best I can figure.


The lack of choice at Costco keeps prices low. You can always choose to go to a smaller store to get the things that aren't available at Costco.
 
2013-09-25 06:48:01 PM  

Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!


Stop trying to make BOB happen.
 
2013-09-25 06:48:05 PM  
The Costco of medicine..

Oh you mean where people make a living wage with reasonable chance for advancement and growth and are supported by an affordable benefits package that covers their health needs?

Like that?
 
2013-09-25 06:48:34 PM  
And pay a premium, I forgot to add. This keeps the smaller store in business if they focus on high margin, low volume.
 
2013-09-25 06:49:57 PM  

dracos31: Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!

Stop trying to make BOB happen.


As he makes BOB happen by not using the "ignore" function.
 
2013-09-25 06:50:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: o5iiawah: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The greatest nation in the world brought to its knees by something every other industrialized nation on the planet has no trouble with? 80% of Europe cant afford

You're kidding, right?


I felt it was too lame to even respond to, myself
 
2013-09-25 06:50:49 PM  

I_C_Weener: I can see this sort of thing happening.  Already doctors and dentists are doing employee arrangements rather than a partnership, ownership arrangement (unrelated to Obamacare)  It caused me to switch dentists.  They just don't want the hassle of being business owners and want a 9-5 job.  It might even be a good thing, but it does seem like it might corporatize health care.


I think a lot of it is inevitable given the technologies where you have to get x number of people "through the machine" (literally and figuratively) in order to not lose money on it and one doctor isn't able or doesn't want to do it all.
 
2013-09-25 06:51:02 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-25 06:51:52 PM  
Walmart of medicine, not Costco.
 
2013-09-25 06:53:39 PM  

12349876: I_C_Weener: I can see this sort of thing happening.  Already doctors and dentists are doing employee arrangements rather than a partnership, ownership arrangement (unrelated to Obamacare)  It caused me to switch dentists.  They just don't want the hassle of being business ownipers and want a 9-5 job.  It might even be a good thing, but it does seem like it might corporatize health care.

I think a lot of it is inevitable given the technologies where you have to get x number of people "through the machine" (literally and figuratively) in order to not lose money on it and one doctor isn't able or doesn't want to do it all.


Yeah.  The age of mom and pop (partnerships) is on its way out.  Corporations dictating the procedures and vetoing certain actions is the future.  On the plus side, things might be cheaper.  And for the doctors they can concentrate on medicine not HR or advertising.  Still, I like the feel of a small practice over the "We Own Our Own Ho
 
2013-09-25 06:54:01 PM  
...spital" offices

hiat enter too soon.
 
2013-09-25 06:54:25 PM  

LordZorch: Walmart of medicine, not Costco.


Chinese made vaccines full of lead?
 
2013-09-25 06:54:37 PM  
global.fncstatic.com

I just stopped by to tell you that your premiums for socialized medicine are going to skyrocket in many state markets.
 
2013-09-25 06:54:52 PM  
Desperation, anger, and not a single fact.

This is really the best they've got, isn't it?  If they had anything better, they'd surely be trotting it out by now.
 
2013-09-25 06:55:09 PM  
Unfortunately the Kaiser-ization of medicine is inevitable, Obamacare or not. The idea that half the nation gets luxury health care and the other half gets nothing was never a sustainable model. There had to be a middle ground, and here we are.
 
2013-09-25 06:55:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-25 06:56:25 PM  
great, now we're all going to be Socialisms.

/locks door
//closes drapes
 
2013-09-25 06:57:32 PM  

Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!


i would think you would enjoy that.
 
2013-09-25 06:58:04 PM  
Funny since Costco offers health insurance in several states for their customers and insures most of their employees, including some part timers.
 
2013-09-25 06:59:25 PM  

mediablitz: Kittypie070: OK, Costco is bad how exactly?

I'm going to take a stab at this: Costco limits your choices. Sure, you are getting stuff cheap, but you only can get that ONE thing. What if you need that OTHER thing? Sorry. You are stuck because...

That's the best I can figure.


Costco rotates stock, so you can get cheap healthcare, but this week you'll get bargain European healthcare, but next week it's cheapo African healthcare, and then after that you can get the Chinese version.

/other than that, no clue. And this poor person got her first pair of eyeglasses in 5 years because of Costco, so, this whole discussion is really funny.
 
2013-09-25 07:00:26 PM  

RedPhoenix122: [i.imgur.com image 850x478]


That's the best thing I ever saw.
 
2013-09-25 07:03:38 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The greatest nation in the world brought to its knees by something every other industrialized nation on the planet has no trouble with?


This is what I don't understand about this whole debate.

Sure.  I get not being happy about the affordable care act.  I can see how some people might feel it is too intrusive or too expensive, or have any number of problems with it.

But it is not going to destroy the Republic.  There is this talk of apocalypse coming from the Right.  Like the whole American experiment is about to end; that this is worth pouring all political energy into, it is worth shutting down the government.  It's not!  Mistake it may or may not be, but this country has endured far worse than some changes to insurance regulations!

The whole idea that the ACA is going to kill everything is so stupid!  And it seems like Republicans aren't being asked to defend that assertion.
 
2013-09-25 07:06:04 PM  
Obamacare is the Costco of medicine. And soon, your small town medical practice will become nothing more than an empty store front.

Obamacare is the Costco of medicine. And soon, your small town medical practice will become nothing more than an incredibly busy, affordable, consumer-friendly business, where you can pick up thirty gallon jugs of pickles and HDTVs.
 
2013-09-25 07:06:49 PM  

Jesterling: RedPhoenix122: [i.imgur.com image 850x478]

That's the best thing I ever saw.


And its a mod for the PC version.
 
2013-09-25 07:08:29 PM  

flondrix: rikdanger: Costco = boxes and boxes of decent booze, cheap!

Also, Costco has the lowest employee turnover rate in retail, partially because of high wages, and 90% of its workers qualify for, ahem, EMPLOYEE-SPONSORED HEALTH INSURANCE...when the going rate in retail is 60%. So we should be so lucky.

You can find cool stuff in Costco that you didn't know existed, or great deals you weren't looking for...but afterwards I always have to go to a "normal" store to finish buying the stuff on my shopping list.  And the stuff you did find last week may not be there this week.

Also, no one there is able to tell you whether the store has a particular item or where it might be found. I understand that is not how their business model works, but it is very inconvenient for someone who needs to buy something specific rather than cool stuff in general.  All in all, a very bad metaphor for heath care.


Eh.  Depends.  At the location I work at (ten years employed at Costco, Shop Steward since we're a grandfathered store (originally Price Club, which was teamsters, so we're still union)) we readily look items up in the computer system, both for our location and other locations (yup, can do that) to see if a given item's in stock.  It could just be shiatty ass employees.

Also, since we're a union shop, we have a LOT of people who've got double digit years in the company, and more than a few with 25 years with the company.  It CAN be a biatch to find an item, because of the Treasure Hunt Floor Plan-- which employees dislike just as much as customers do..
 
2013-09-25 07:08:52 PM  
OMG, Medical care will become more efficient so it can serve more people at cheaper costs!!

The horror!!!
 
2013-09-25 07:10:54 PM  

MrEricSir: Unfortunately the Kaiser-ization of medicine is inevitable


My wife has Kaiser. She got perfectly acceptable and effective treatment for her thyroid cancer a year ago. She's cancer-free now. Your outrage is noted.
 
2013-09-25 07:13:13 PM  
 
2013-09-25 07:15:03 PM  
Yes, Obama is responsible for the corporate takeover of medicine. Who knew?
 
2013-09-25 07:15:24 PM  

notto: From the same author
global.fncstatic.com

Tips to slow hair loss
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/07/27/tips-to-slow-hair-loss/


Rob Reiner?
 
2013-09-25 07:15:47 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: [global.fncstatic.com image 156x195]

I just stopped by to tell you that your premiums for socialized medicine are going to skyrocket in many state markets.


Be afraid. BE AFRAID! WOOOOO!!!

Whatever dude.
 
2013-09-25 07:17:01 PM  
"Obamacare is the Costco of medicine. And soon, your small town medical practice gigantic for-profit insurance companies will no longer be using the American public as their cash cow and consequently will become nothing more than an empty store front"

FTFM and everyone else.

The closer we are getting to full implementation of the ACA, the greater the shiat fit the insurance companies are throwing and the more their congressional and media shills are ramping up the empty rhetoric and lies.
 
2013-09-25 07:17:31 PM  
Wow. Fox News talking smack about Obamacare? NO WAI!
 
2013-09-25 07:17:41 PM  
When I lost my job earlier this year, a number of HR professionals I talked to told me that the whole Obamacare situation was going to save my ass after Cobra ran out. I looked at the rates and that they can't refuse insurance and I just don't see a huge downside to this. If you are poor, the rates are considerably reduced. In many cases, like with Kaiser Permanente, a lot of the garden variety diagnostics are free.

Fortunately, I found a jerb pretty quickly, but it's nice to know that people can get insurance. The younger people are complaining about subsidizing the much villified "Boomers" ( which doesn't include people who are over 75, IIRC, so STFU), but they don't notice that they're the ones who need obstetricians and people to scrape them up off the tarmac after motorcycle accidents. (Not to mention the diabeetus.)
 
2013-09-25 07:18:17 PM  

That_Bob_Guy: "Obamacare is the Costco of medicine. And soon, your small town medical practice gigantic for-profit insurance companies will no longer be using the American public as their cash cow and consequently will become nothing more than an empty store front"

FTFM and everyone else.

The closer we are getting to full implementation of the ACA, the greater the shiat fit the insurance companies are throwing and the more their congressional and media shills are ramping up the empty rhetoric and lies.


So..your account is too old for it to be relevant...but your name is mildly amusing.
 
2013-09-25 07:19:53 PM  

Apik0r0s: Yes, Obama is responsible for the corporate takeover of medicine. Who knew?


How can Obama be responsible for something that's already happened? Or do you believe that corporations were not involved in medicine prior to 2009? Who am I kidding of course you believe that.
 
2013-09-25 07:22:01 PM  
MY buddy just started his own self employed business and now needs to buy insurance over the exchange. It will cost him $1000 dollars a year LESS getting it through the exchange than it was going to cost him then if he would have bought it through COBRA.

Sorry guys but it's working.
 
2013-09-25 07:23:26 PM  
Costco rules, I love their snack bar too. Everything they sell is of really good quality too. So I am trying to figure out how his analogy is a bad thing.

When you think about it though, the GOP of wanting to do everything at the local level is sort of like buying everything at a convenience store where you are paying a premium. This is not very fiscally sound when it comes to a lot of things. So I guess if you support buying as little as possible for the most money possible is the only way I can see it as a bad thing. Of course that makes absolutely no sense, so that is probably what he meant.
 
2013-09-25 07:24:19 PM  

RedPhoenix122: [i.imgur.com image 850x478]


That is true awesome sauce.
 
2013-09-25 07:27:51 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: The younger people are complaining


let them complain, eventually, they'll realize that youth is just a spit in the bucket of aging & come to realize they too will benefit from the ACA.

or they can do some research today & understand that something like ACA had to be implemented.
 
2013-09-25 07:28:41 PM  
That_Bob_Guy:

Thanks, man!
 
2013-09-25 07:29:37 PM  

MrEricSir: Unfortunately the Kaiser-ization of medicine is inevitable, Obamacare or not. The idea that half the nation gets luxury health care and the other half gets nothing was never a sustainable model. There had to be a middle ground, and here we are.


Right if you have half a brain you can see that.

To be more efficient medicine needs to change. (it already has in lots of ways) .

One great thing with Obamacare is you will be able to shop around for insurance easier because plans will be similar.
 
2013-09-25 07:29:47 PM  
Wait... so does that mean that under Obamacare, doctors will be paid well above market rates while patients enjoy extremely low prices and a level of care unlike anything seen anywhere else?
 
2013-09-25 07:30:42 PM  

Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!


You know, I've been giving you a hard time lately, but I've got to admit -- that was very funny.
 
2013-09-25 07:30:56 PM  
LINK

Oklahoma premiums 20-30% lower than national average.

If our stupid red state can get lower premiums while doing everything in the world to make Obamacare work, than the article writer and everyone that agree with him are stupid.
 
2013-09-25 07:31:01 PM  
Health care is going to be like a three-gallon jug of mayonnaise? Interesting.
 
2013-09-25 07:32:14 PM  

Cletus C.: Health care is going to be like a three-gallon jug of mayonnaise? Interesting.


Stop being a lying liar who lies.

Costco doesn't sell three-gallon jugs of mayonnaise. They're five-gallon.
 
2013-09-25 07:32:35 PM  
I love how submitter thought he could backhand Costco and Obama and winds up with a pack of people white-knighting both.

If Walmart paid and took care of its people more, maybe we wouldn't have needed a farking federal mandate to do it for them, you whiny asshole FOX news farkos.
 
2013-09-25 07:38:23 PM  
*swims happily around in Cletus' five gallon jar of mayo*
 
2013-09-25 07:40:14 PM  
Read the headline. My first thought was "good". So was my second.
 
2013-09-25 07:40:55 PM  

Generation_D: I love how submitter thought he could backhand Costco and Obama and winds up with a pack of people white-knighting both.

If Walmart paid and took care of its people more, maybe we wouldn't have needed a farking federal mandate to do it for them, you whiny asshole FOX news farkos.


Yeah I love how conservaderps line up to suck the Walton cock, when part of their plan is to use welfare benefits so their employees don't starve to death on their rock bottom wages.
 
2013-09-25 07:41:35 PM  

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


Why do I have the feeling that subby would never equate Wal-Mart of being the robber barons, like they do with Costco?
 
2013-09-25 07:44:59 PM  
He sounds concerned.
 
2013-09-25 07:47:41 PM  
If Fox is going to spend so much of its bandwidth trying to flood the intertubes with anti-Obamacare drivel, I can't help but be for it.
 
2013-09-25 07:47:54 PM  

freak7: On a related note, I received a letter from the VA today explaining that since I'm enrolled, I don't have to do anything to meet the requirements for health insurance under Obamacare.


Well I would certainly hope so. Given that the VA is a government agency, you would want them to be pretty seamlessly integrated.
 
2013-09-25 07:48:17 PM  
If the ACA is the Costco of medicine, the previous regime was the crusty convenience store where all the beer had dust on top of the cans and all the pages of the porno mags were stuck together.
 
2013-09-25 07:50:34 PM  

Cletus C.: Health care is going to be like a three-gallon jug of mayonnaise? Interesting.


i.imgur.com

I prefer to think of it as an bottomless supply of ranch dressing delivered by firehose.
 
2013-09-25 07:50:51 PM  

BMulligan: the crusty convenience store where all the beer had dust on top of the cans and all the pages of the porno mags were stuck together.


God, I miss that place.
 
2013-09-25 08:02:53 PM  
BC/BS is going to be part of my health exchange here in CO, which means I'll be able to go back to my old neurologist! Hooray!

/fark the haters.
 
2013-09-25 08:04:12 PM  
Laugh it up, libtardos.

We'll see who's still laughing when doctors are begging in the streets with, "Will heal for food" cardboard signs and hospitals are staffed with extras from Mad Max.
 
2013-09-25 08:04:41 PM  
I'm not saying Jesus would have been opposed to socialized medicine, but he was all about bootstraps and taking care of yourself, and if you couldn't afford it, then you didn't need it. Jesus was a big supporter of Ayn Rand, but i'm not trying to put words in his mouth. So in conclusion, Obamacare is the devil.
 
2013-09-25 08:07:13 PM  

firefly212: BC/BS is going to be part of my health exchange here in CO, which means I'll be able to go back to my old neurologist! Hooray!


No. According to this guy all the doctors are going Galt. We have no more doctors.
 
2013-09-25 08:10:34 PM  

NewportBarGuy: firefly212: BC/BS is going to be part of my health exchange here in CO, which means I'll be able to go back to my old neurologist! Hooray!

No. According to this guy all the doctors are going Galt. We have no more doctors.


That's an interesting theory, but having talked to my old neurologist (I do his contract proofreading), the payment rates through the new agreement will be about 10% less that what he gets through the other commercial insurers he deals with. We (both he and I) expect he'll have some new patients because of the ACA, but he's already got about a 9 month wait for new patients, so I figure many of them will probably just end up at a neurologist who has a lower wait time.
 
2013-09-25 08:12:25 PM  
FTFA:  "patient opinions have not been properly heard or considered informed"

FTFH
 
2013-09-25 08:12:45 PM  

Kittypie070: *swims happily around in Cletus' five gallon jar of mayo*


high def video with high def audio or it didnt happen...

/talk about a miracle whip
 
2013-09-25 08:17:31 PM  

NewportBarGuy: firefly212: BC/BS is going to be part of my health exchange here in CO, which means I'll be able to go back to my old neurologist! Hooray!

No. According to this guy all the doctors are going Galt. We have no more doctors.


Just for giggles, I wish Obama would set up an exchange with Cuba, allowing their doctors to come here and work as part of the ACA effort.
 
2013-09-25 08:20:49 PM  

firefly212: That's an interesting theory, but having talked to my old neurologist (I do his contract proofreading), the payment rates through the new agreement will be about 10% less that what he gets through the other commercial insurers he deals with. We (both he and I) expect he'll have some new patients because of the ACA, but he's already got about a 9 month wait for new patients, so I figure many of them will probably just end up at a neurologist who has a lower wait time.


I'm in the health care field. I know one thing, this means more people will have coverage. Wait times will increase, but they are already long. NP's are doing more work, and the entire industry is ready for new people.

We'd rather give people insulin and needles than pay for a foot amputation, or the like.

We're bending the cost curve and these idiots are all going to eat crow when they see the reduction in cost of health care as a percentage of GDP.

Will primary care docs get swamped? Yes. That means they will have to hire more people to manage their practice, grow, and they will actually earn more money even if their reimbursements are reduced because they will have more patients.

They will just have to work more hours. Or, more likely, you'll see a lot less single practice doctors and a lot more collective units of primary care doctors pooling resources into larger practices. It's going to be efficiency and consolidation that saves us money.
 
2013-09-25 08:22:50 PM  
I don't know if it will be like Costco, but it appears it will cost about $20 more a month for some folks to get the same policy they could have gotten last year.
 
2013-09-25 08:23:19 PM  
Oh really?
You Partisan hacks think your insurance companies go to Costco or Walmart.
Ha Ha.

What irrelevant idiots.
Insurance Industry wrote your precious, how you say "Obamacare".
These chumps are just the delivery boys.


/that there is a non racist "boy", yup
 
2013-09-25 08:25:09 PM  

Infernalist: NewportBarGuy: firefly212: BC/BS is going to be part of my health exchange here in CO, which means I'll be able to go back to my old neurologist! Hooray!

No. According to this guy all the doctors are going Galt. We have no more doctors.

Just for giggles, I wish Obama would set up an exchange with Cuba, allowing their doctors to come here and work as part of the ACA effort.


Last I saw, Obama does not even set up his own beer.
You wishing what?
 
2013-09-25 08:27:11 PM  

Infernalist: Just for giggles, I wish Obama would set up an exchange with Cuba, allowing their doctors to come here and work as part of the ACA effort.


They have socialized, single-payer health care in Cuba. Hate on Fidel all you want (and there are plenty of things to hate on him about), but he did make sure Cuba has a world-class healthcare system available to all of their citizens.

Too bad Cruz didn't take that lesson from his father's support of Fidel.
 
2013-09-25 08:29:23 PM  

ox45tallboy: Infernalist: Just for giggles, I wish Obama would set up an exchange with Cuba, allowing their doctors to come here and work as part of the ACA effort.

They have socialized, single-payer health care in Cuba. Hate on Fidel all you want (and there are plenty of things to hate on him about), but he did make sure Cuba has a world-class healthcare system available to all of their citizens.

Too bad Cruz didn't take that lesson from his father's support of Fidel.


Oh, I know.  Cuban doctors are well-known for their top-notch skills.  Whatever else, Cuba knows how to make good doctors.  I just wanted to see GOP heads explode when they heard that Cuban doctors were bringing their sochulized medicine to Murrika.
 
2013-09-25 08:35:56 PM  

snocone: Oh really?
You Partisan hacks think your insurance companies go to Costco or Walmart.
Ha Ha.

What irrelevant idiots.
Insurance Industry wrote your precious, how you say "Obamacare".
These chumps are just the delivery boys.


/that there is a non racist "boy", yup


What the hell is this.
 
2013-09-25 08:37:52 PM  

notto: From the same author
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Tips to slow hair loss
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/07/27/tips-to-slow-hair-loss/


Dammit. Why can't I vote "funny" more than once for the same comment?
 
2013-09-25 08:43:12 PM  

NewportBarGuy: BMulligan: the crusty convenience store where all the beer had dust on top of the cans and all the pages of the porno mags were stuck together.

God, I miss that place.


I actually had a particular place in mind when I wrote that. The place got bought a few years back by a guy who turned it into one of Seattle's best beer shops - 38 rotating taps, a thousand more beers in the cold cases, locally produced gourmet ice cream for the kids, and different food trucks parked outside every night.

That's single-payer.
 
2013-09-25 08:44:29 PM  

snocone: Oh really?
You Partisan hacks think your insurance companies go to Costco or Walmart.
Ha Ha.

What irrelevant idiots.
Insurance Industry wrote your precious, how you say "Obamacare".
These chumps are just the delivery boys.


/that there is a non racist "boy", yup


Meth is bad kids.
 
2013-09-25 08:47:11 PM  
I hope this means I can get lunch for $1.99 every time I see my doctor.
 
2013-09-25 08:47:39 PM  
Aristocles: Thanks BOB!

*chug*
 
2013-09-25 08:52:05 PM  
My "small town medical practice" is owned by an umbrella company that owns "small town medical practices" all over the state. The umbrella company is itself owned by a national organization. A quick spot-check of five other random "small town medical practices" finds that they're all the same. Three are owned by the same company as mine. The other two are both owned by a different company which appears to have the same structure as mine.

But, whatever. I guess I'll just pretend the next time I'm calling them that it's Ol' Doc Jessup and not some Indian guy they got on a work visa because he was willing to work cheaper to get his foot in the door than anybody who already lives around here.

Because socialism or whatever dumbfark thing Fox News is prattling on about in this particle shiatcake of an article.
 
2013-09-25 08:54:21 PM  

snocone: Oh really?
You Partisan hacks think your insurance companies go to Costco or Walmart.
Ha Ha.

What irrelevant idiots.
Insurance Industry wrote your precious, how you say "Obamacare".
These chumps are just the delivery boys.


/that there is a non racist "boy", yup


Are you having a stroke? Do you need someone to call 911 for you?
 
2013-09-25 08:55:09 PM  

NewportBarGuy:
Will primary care docs get swamped? Yes. That means they will have to hire more people to manage their practice, grow, and they will actually earn more money even if their reimbursements are reduced because they will have more patients.


I don't know if this is related to Obamacare, but I've noticed little clinics popping open in every drugstore and supermarket around here. Heck, there are now services that will write you a prescription over the phone.
 
2013-09-25 08:56:57 PM  
So younger people go to Costco to pay more for a product they could buy elsewhere cheaper.   They want to pay more.

Wow.... young people are gullible.
 
2013-09-25 08:57:49 PM  
This guy is a farkin' lying piece of shiat.  And this article is perfectly geared toward people that love to listen to farkin' lying pieces of shiat.  That is all.
 
2013-09-25 09:02:30 PM  

NewportBarGuy: firefly212: That's an interesting theory, but having talked to my old neurologist (I do his contract proofreading), the payment rates through the new agreement will be about 10% less that what he gets through the other commercial insurers he deals with. We (both he and I) expect he'll have some new patients because of the ACA, but he's already got about a 9 month wait for new patients, so I figure many of them will probably just end up at a neurologist who has a lower wait time.

I'm in the health care field. I know one thing, this means more people will have coverage. Wait times will increase, but they are already long. NP's are doing more work, and the entire industry is ready for new people.

We'd rather give people insulin and needles than pay for a foot amputation, or the like.

We're bending the cost curve and these idiots are all going to eat crow when they see the reduction in cost of health care as a percentage of GDP.

Will primary care docs get swamped? Yes. That means they will have to hire more people to manage their practice, grow, and they will actually earn more money even if their reimbursements are reduced because they will have more patients.

They will just have to work more hours. Or, more likely, you'll see a lot less single practice doctors and a lot more collective units of primary care doctors pooling resources into larger practices. It's going to be efficiency and consolidation that saves us money.


We're talking about a 10% overall increase in the numbers of patients... but to be fair, many patients (like me) who havent been to the doctor or go very infrequently because of money issues (my MS drugs are prohibitively expensive under my current employer plan, they actually cost more than I make), it is a function of E&M stuff that could just as easily be done by a PA or nurse (as permitted by each state) in many cases as by the doctor him/herself. I'm also hoping to see a decrease in ER visits as people get stuff treated more proactively in an office setting, but we'll see how it all shakes out. In an ideal world, we'd also see some drop off as vectors (I'm thinking of retail/restaurant workers) have access to treatment that they did not have, hopefully limiting the transmission of many common diseases.
 
2013-09-25 09:02:39 PM  

netcentric: I don't know if it will be like Costco, but it appears it will cost about $20 more a month for some folks to get the same policy they could have gotten last year.


This is the "I stubbed my toe" of trolls.

Come on, MAN!  Bring some dramatics to the game!  Even something tired like DEATH PANELS is better.
 
2013-09-25 09:05:26 PM  

Infernalist: Oh, I know. Cuban doctors are well-known for their top-notch skills. Whatever else, Cuba knows how to make good doctors. I just wanted to see GOP heads explode when they heard that Cuban doctors were bringing their sochulized medicine to Murrika.


So WTF is Cruz's problem? Cuba and Canada are both well-known for awesome, world-class single-payer health care. You would think with his heritage and homeland he would love it.

I'm beginning to think the doctor dropped him on his head during delivery. This would explain both his obvious psychoses and his hatred of socialized medicine.
 
2013-09-25 09:10:03 PM  
A few interesting developments as the prices on the exchanges are published and the ACA rollout is upon us. 
1. Many checking the preliminary prices are finding that the policies on the exchanges are lower than what they pay at work. Some are saying they intend to drop the at work policy to buy one on their state exchange. 2. A number of large scale employers (i.e. IBM for retirees who are not yet Medicare eligible, Walgreens, Sears Holding Group and Darden Restaurants) are moving their employees onto the Aon Hewitt Corporate Health Exchange, a private marketplace that mimic the publicly run medical exchanges. These companies will still subsidize the premiums of their employees at the same rate they do now.  
Of 180,000 Walgreen employees eligible for healthcare insurance, 120,000 opted for coverage for themselves and 40,000 also wanted coverage for family members. Another 60,000 employees, many of them part-timers, were not eligible for health insurance.  
Aon Hewitt says the new additions raise enrollment to 33,000 from 100,000 last year and estimates enrollment will jump to 600,000 next year, a fivefold increase from 2012. 
Aon's laundry list of plans are Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum, in keeping with the public exchanges that will begin operating next week for individuals who don't have a group policy at work. 
According to Aon Hewitt's data, 42% of participants chose a plan that is less expensive than what their employer offered, 26% chose a plan that is more expensive and 32% remained at the level they had on their corporate plan a year earlier. 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/18/us-healthcare-exchanges-pr iv ate-idUSBRE98H03120130918
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/09/18/walgr ee ns-workers-buy-health-plans-state-marketplaces/2830105/

According to USA Today: These private exchanges... typically offer more insurances choices than those offered by employers. 
Which begs a question: If "Obamacare" is so bloody awful, why are corporations rushing to mimic the exchanges, which are a centerpiece of the law?  
Also... Why are employees finding they have more options? Generally at lower prices? Could it be that medical exchanges are actually a pretty good idea? 
Of course, for it to continue to work employers will still need to provide the same subsidies they do now for at work policies.  
Bottom Line: Health insurance first became tethered to work during WWII as a happenstance to attract employees during a labor shortage. Decoupling insurance from work is probably a very good thing as long as employers behave responsibly. Not all will.  
And no, this isn't strictly due to Obamacare's rollout. The trend to eliminate pensions and other benefits has been underway for quite some time. Two decades back, 80% of all companies provided health insurance to retirees; today it's down to about half. In the 1980s, employers routinely offered pensions; in 2007, 1,225 employers voluntarily ended their pension plans even with assets sufficient to cover the costs. 
Employers are getting stingier. Expecting anything but a paycheck any more is a fool's errand. You no longer matter.
 
2013-09-25 09:10:46 PM  

NewportBarGuy: firefly212: That's an interesting theory, but having talked to my old neurologist (I do his contract proofreading), the payment rates through the new agreement will be about 10% less that what he gets through the other commercial insurers he deals with. We (both he and I) expect he'll have some new patients because of the ACA, but he's already got about a 9 month wait for new patients, so I figure many of them will probably just end up at a neurologist who has a lower wait time.

I'm in the health care field. I know one thing, this means more people will have coverage. Wait times will increase, but they are already long. NP's are doing more work, and the entire industry is ready for new people.

We'd rather give people insulin and needles than pay for a foot amputation, or the like.

We're bending the cost curve and these idiots are all going to eat crow when they see the reduction in cost of health care as a percentage of GDP.

Will primary care docs get swamped? Yes. That means they will have to hire more people to manage their practice, grow, and they will actually earn more money even if their reimbursements are reduced because they will have more patients.

They will just have to work more hours. Or, more likely, you'll see a lot less single practice doctors and a lot more collective units of primary care doctors pooling resources into larger practices. It's going to be efficiency and consolidation that saves us money.


Side note: In the land of proofreading for doctors, I'm already seeing tons more collective practices (which are good, you can get billing people who know what they're doing and one good office manager, and stuff can go quite smoothly) and also more urgent care clinics (a great alternative to the ER for urgent stuff that isn't necessarily a big (medically speaking) deal, like sutures and stuff. Some of the business consultancies I work with actually encourage the collective practice structure, and I'm also thrilled to see that in a few states (NY and WA in particular), housecalls seem to be making a comeback.
 
2013-09-25 09:10:57 PM  
Obamacare killed my Dingo.
It set fire to my aquarium.

It shifted my kitchen fixture to five dimensional light frequencies and now I have shoggoth in my dish washer.
 
2013-09-25 09:13:54 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: When I lost my job earlier this year, a number of HR professionals I talked to told me that the whole Obamacare situation was going to save my ass after Cobra ran out. I looked at the rates and that they can't refuse insurance and I just don't see a huge downside to this. If you are poor, the rates are considerably reduced. In many cases, like with Kaiser Permanente, a lot of the garden variety diagnostics are free.


In other words, if you're poor, unemployed or otherwise a leech on society, it is going to work out in your benefit.
If you actually pay for your family's healthcare, you're going to see an increase in your taxes.

FnkyTwn: I'm not saying Jesus would have been opposed to socialized medicine, but he was all about bootstraps and taking care of yourself,


No, he was about taking care of your fellow man out of the goodness of your heart, not at the point of the Roman spear.

ox45tallboy: They have socialized, single-payer health care in Cuba. Hate on Fidel all you want (and there are plenty of things to hate on him about), but he did make sure Cuba has a world-class healthcare system available to all of their citizens


No they arent.  The only world-class hospitals in Cuba are the ones that the connected class get to access (this includes the one Michael Moore went to with his boatload of sick people)  The modern, sleek, clean Cuban hospitals you see are a Potempkin village.

I'll believe that Cuba is a world-class health system when drug companies relocate their HQs there and all the best and highest-paid athletes in the world are flown there to get bone, joint and muscle remedies
 
2013-09-25 09:16:48 PM  

freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?


Yes, people who previously could use their money to buy quicker treatment are going to have to pay more to do the same thing.
Doctors are going to get paid marginally less for many of the new patients, but they'll also have a much lower indigent write off rate.
 
2013-09-25 09:18:31 PM  

Aristocles: freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?

It will never happen. These people have been carrying water for BOB and the dems for years now... they're too jaded.

It's sad, really.


Who? Bob Corker? He's a Republican last I knew.
 
2013-09-25 09:19:10 PM  

freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?


Who?
 
2013-09-25 09:19:53 PM  
I mean, I'm definitely willing to admit that insurance companies who deny pre-existing conditions are going to get farked over, if that's what you are looking for.
 
2013-09-25 09:20:44 PM  

Aristocles: I'm going to get screwed


You and your fake wife?
 
2013-09-25 09:20:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?

Who?


Shareholders and executives of insurance companies who have to deal with the new reality that their company now exists to insure people, instead of to collect premiums, then give them away to said shareholders and execs while denying even routine claims for their customers.
 
2013-09-25 09:22:40 PM  

firefly212: cameroncrazy1984: freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?

Who?

Shareholders and executives of insurance companies who have to deal with the new reality that their company now exists to insure people, instead of to collect premiums, then give them away to said shareholders and execs while denying even routine claims for their customers.


Oh, then yeah I'm willing to admit those people will get farked over.
 
2013-09-25 09:24:35 PM  
Don't know about small towns but in urban areas the number of solo practitioners has been declining for years as doctors were forming partnerships.  Now the partnerships and even solo practices are being bought up by medical conglomerates, many of which also own many hospitals as well, and the doctors are employees.  While it does put some bottom-line pressure on doctors many doctors appreciate the freedom of not having to worry about having to deal with all of the paperwork involved in the proliferation of medical insurance plans.  This has long predated Obamacare.
 
2013-09-25 09:27:47 PM  

skozlaw: snocone: Oh really?
You Partisan hacks think your insurance companies go to Costco or Walmart.
Ha Ha.

What irrelevant idiots.
Insurance Industry wrote your precious, how you say "Obamacare".
These chumps are just the delivery boys.


/that there is a non racist "boy", yup

Are you having a stroke? Do you need someone to call 911 for you?


Well, somebody called me moderate the other day,,,
We can't have that.
 
2013-09-25 09:27:52 PM  
Obamacare is the Costco of medicine.

You mean a well-run successful American company that is well known for taking care of its employees? Why do you hate America? Oh that's right, the Right is more of a WalMart supporter. Keep the little people on the bottom, pay them shiat, and drive all of the little companies out of business. Yeah, it's WalMart that creates all of the "empty store fronts", not Costco, you dumbass.
 
2013-09-25 09:28:49 PM  
Every single time there are new regs, a whole bunch of fearmongers claim it will destroy the entire industry.  It never does.

Believe it or not, the Health and Medical Business will adjust, and continue to exist.
 
2013-09-25 09:28:54 PM  

jaylectricity: DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?

I was led to believe that Costco was way better than BJ's and Sam's Club.


NOTHING is better than a BJ.
 
2013-09-25 09:29:50 PM  

Mikey1969: NOTHING is better than a BJ.


Depends on who administers it.
 
2013-09-25 09:35:03 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Mikey1969: NOTHING is better than a BJ.

Depends on who administers it.


Not if they cup the balls correctly... ;-) It's a BJ, not a beauty contest.
 
2013-09-25 09:40:34 PM  

freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?


I think you will find that the CEO's of most health insurance companies will get partially farked over. I say partially in that they instead of making seven figure salaries and bonuses may only make in the high six figures.
 
2013-09-25 09:40:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: firefly212: cameroncrazy1984: freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?

Who?

Shareholders and executives of insurance companies who have to deal with the new reality that their company now exists to insure people, instead of to collect premiums, then give them away to said shareholders and execs while denying even routine claims for their customers.

Oh, then yeah I'm willing to admit those people will get farked over.


Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.
 
2013-09-25 09:41:19 PM  
The Kirkland brand items are as good as the name brands.

Costco is pretty awesome actually
 
2013-09-25 09:42:32 PM  
October 1: Private health care ends, socialism begins

i4.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-25 09:44:44 PM  

Quasar: cameroncrazy1984: firefly212: cameroncrazy1984: freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?

Who?

Shareholders and executives of insurance companies who have to deal with the new reality that their company now exists to insure people, instead of to collect premiums, then give them away to said shareholders and execs while denying even routine claims for their customers.

Oh, then yeah I'm willing to admit those people will get farked over.

Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.


So, follow the money still ring a bell?
 
2013-09-25 09:46:33 PM  

Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.


Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.
 
2013-09-25 09:49:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.


Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.
 
2013-09-25 09:57:23 PM  
Nope.
 
2013-09-25 10:09:39 PM  

snocone: cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.

Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.


You should see a doctor.
 
2013-09-25 10:13:35 PM  

Opiate of the Lasses: jaylectricity: DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?

I was led to believe that Costco was way better than BJ's and Sam's Club.

Nothing's better than BJs

/oh, wait...
//what's the difference between eggs, your wife and a blowjob?


The eggs just exist. The wife and the blowjob need feedback. And if it's not the right feedback, look out.
 
2013-09-25 10:15:49 PM  

Corvus: MY buddy just started his own self employed business and now needs to buy insurance over the exchange. It will cost him $1000 dollars a year LESS getting it through the exchange than it was going to cost him then if he would have bought it through COBRA.

Sorry guys but it's working.


Why does your socialist fascist communist muslim buddy hate America?
 
2013-09-25 10:17:55 PM  

Notabunny: Corvus: MY buddy just started his own self employed business and now needs to buy insurance over the exchange. It will cost him $1000 dollars a year LESS getting it through the exchange than it was going to cost him then if he would have bought it through COBRA.

Sorry guys but it's working.

Why does your socialist fascist communist muslim buddy hate America?


By the end of the year, they will be calling this an entitlement and want to cut it.
 
2013-09-25 10:24:06 PM  
Will The People's Republic of America get a new national anthem? Because the old one was a biatch to sing. Maybe something along the lines of Row, Row, Row Your Boat would be nice.
 
2013-09-25 10:24:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: snocone: cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.

Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.

You should see a doctor.


Apparently he is one.

I have him "favorited" as legitimately disturbed person
 
2013-09-25 10:41:32 PM  
Go to the south. They havent had mom and pops businesses since at least the mid 90's.
 
2013-09-25 10:47:01 PM  

StopLurkListen: Right, because until now healthcare has been run by mom&pop HMOs and not totally multi-billion dollar corporations dominated by rapacious scoundrels.

[freakoutnation.com image 414x452]


I've said it before, I'll say it again: the Conservative Media's recasting of the insurance industry as stalwart heroes of the people is one of its greatest achievements of the last twenty years.
 
x23
2013-09-25 11:13:22 PM  

snocone: Oh really?
You Partisan hacks think your insurance companies go to Costco or Walmart.
Ha Ha.

What irrelevant idiots.
Insurance Industry wrote your precious, how you say "Obamacare".
These chumps are just the delivery boys.


/that there is a non racist "boy", yup




well. this seems familiar. let me guess : "best part..... forever" ?
 
2013-09-25 11:18:09 PM  

Somacandra: freak7: On a related note, I received a letter from the VA today explaining that since I'm enrolled, I don't have to do anything to meet the requirements for health insurance under Obamacare.

Well I would certainly hope so. Given that the VA is a government agency, you would want them to be pretty seamlessly integrated.


Many of the staunchest critics of "socialized medicine" get their medical care from the VA.
 
2013-09-25 11:21:03 PM  
Man, the subby's are really getting desperate to shut this thing down before Tuesday.  Costco = awesome
 
2013-09-25 11:22:19 PM  
Aristocles: So you're telling me I can't just get one prostate exam, but I have to get a palate of two hundred all at once?

Thanks BOB!


lh4.googleusercontent.com

Seriously. Pushing this moniker does what exactly?

lh3.googleusercontent.com

Truly, I feel for you at this point.

lh3.googleusercontent.com

As for the rest of the thread...I call upon a plethora of my patented Firefly Motivators, because, Captain Mal pretty much summed up the problem that we see with the HCR debate...

lh4.googleusercontent.com

This is the first step, a baby step even, to folks realizing that we could actually eliminate the health insurance industry entirely, and join the rest of the civilized world, and disaster would only befall a few folks who are investing in companies that are REALLY committed to you never getting paid out. Yes, it is a terrifying world that might mean that these companies might be forced to rely on selling malpractice insurance instead of family plans, and looking to dump folks regularly from the rolls before they get ill.

Yes. It will mean that some folks are going to take a bath as their stocks are reduced to nil, but if they are sufficiently diversified, they'll make it through all right. Yes, there will be a transition period, where a lot of folks may have to transition from making calls to get payments from insurers, and instead focus on actual care, but we'll muddle through. Maybe even some of those fine call center folks could be retrained, because I'm sure that the insurance folks who lost their cushy jobs will have a bit more free time to call someone with a sessy voice, and maybe a little one on one time with someone who is being paid to pretend to f*ck you might be more fun than paying them to f*ck someone over by proxy...
 
2013-09-25 11:26:50 PM  

netcentric: I don't know if it will be like Costco, but it appears it will cost about $20 more a month for some folks to get the same policy they could have gotten last year.


Given that purchasing a policy as an individual person instead of through an employer is next to impossible for many-to-most people under the old system, I suspect that the number of people who could have obtained such a policy for $20 less is very small.  Myself, I had to buy insurance through my state's "uninsurables" program.  Fortunately, my state had one.
 
2013-09-25 11:28:13 PM  

I_C_Weener: ...spital" offices

hiat enter too soon.


And holy shiat is that a hilarious mistake.

Hey, did you know that Ho Hos were named after Chinese hookers?
/no? That's cause they weren't, you racist bastard
 
2013-09-25 11:37:33 PM  

Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.


They ought to be, they wrote the damn law.
 
2013-09-25 11:40:53 PM  

AeAe: The Kirkland brand items are as good as the name brands.

Costco is pretty awesome actually


Can you count on the Kirkland products being available every time you go to Costco?  What turned me off was that on one visit they would have 55 gallon drums of Metamucil but no liquid antacid, the next visit the reverse.
 
2013-09-25 11:47:42 PM  

hubiestubert: Yes, there will be a transition period, where a lot of folks may have to transition from making calls to get payments from insurers, and instead focus on actual care, but we'll muddle through. Maybe even some of those fine call center folks could be retrained, because I'm sure that the insurance folks who lost their cushy jobs will have a bit more free time to call someone with a sessy voice, and maybe a little one on one time with someone who is being paid to pretend to f*ck you might be more fun than paying them to f*ck someone over by proxy...


Currently, the existing insurance companies employ a lot of people to find ways to weasel out of as many claims as possible, legitimate or otherwise.  Since the ACA enables people to buy insurance with these very same companies...why wouldn't business continue as usual?
 
2013-09-25 11:59:24 PM  

flondrix: hubiestubert: Yes, there will be a transition period, where a lot of folks may have to transition from making calls to get payments from insurers, and instead focus on actual care, but we'll muddle through. Maybe even some of those fine call center folks could be retrained, because I'm sure that the insurance folks who lost their cushy jobs will have a bit more free time to call someone with a sessy voice, and maybe a little one on one time with someone who is being paid to pretend to f*ck you might be more fun than paying them to f*ck someone over by proxy...

Currently, the existing insurance companies employ a lot of people to find ways to weasel out of as many claims as possible, legitimate or otherwise.  Since the ACA enables people to buy insurance with these very same companies...why wouldn't business continue as usual?


Because this is a temporary step, I think. The hurdle has been to reform health care, and the eventual logical step is to go single payer. Which, to be honest, would have been a much harder sell at the get go, and this is a baby step to getting folks used to the idea, beyond Medicare and Medicaid's services.

It won't happen right away. Perhaps not even in my lifetime, but I do think it will happen, and when it does, we'll wonder why in the Hells it took so long to join the rest of the civilized world in this. Actually, we won't wonder, because we know that it was because a lot of folks made mad bank betting on folks to NOT be sick, or to simply NOT be paid out because of illness or injury. It is a racket, and this is still paying middlemen, but at some point, every businessman realizes that it's better to go directly to the source, as opposed to using middlemen if you want to insure quality and delivery. Eventually, by touting their keen business sense, some member of the GOP is going to spark that idea, and it will THEN take the party by storm. It might be the saving of her, but I don't think it's going to happen soonish...
 
2013-09-26 12:15:55 AM  

o5iiawah: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The greatest nation in the world brought to its knees by something every other industrialized nation on the planet has no trouble with? 80% of Europe cant afford


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-09-26 12:53:41 AM  
Aristocles: What would KMFDM do?

Laibach and take it.
 
2013-09-26 01:05:36 AM  

flondrix: AeAe: The Kirkland brand items are as good as the name brands.

Costco is pretty awesome actually

Can you count on the Kirkland products being available every time you go to Costco?  What turned me off was that on one visit they would have 55 gallon drums of Metamucil but no liquid antacid, the next visit the reverse.


I've never seen the Kirkland stuff not there.  Sometimes the name brand stuff comes and goes (I miss those sweet chili rice chips they used to get!), but the Kirkland stuff is always readily available.
 
2013-09-26 01:06:27 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Laugh it up, libtardos.

We'll see who's still laughing when doctors are begging in the streets with, "Will heal for food" cardboard signs and hospitals are staffed with extras from Mad Max.


Who run Kaisertown?
 
2013-09-26 01:21:18 AM  

Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.


I think it's going to be largely a wash.  Insurance companies are getting more healthy people, but they're also forced to take sick people even with pre-existing conditions, and they lose some of their tools that they used to use to keep their profits up (lifetime caps, etc.)

Plus the fact that plans must offer comprehensive services and spend more than a certain percentage of their revenue on paying medical expenses will get rid of a lot of the predatory too-good-to-be-true plans that offered low rates by providing terrible levels of coverage.
 
2013-09-26 01:35:05 AM  
Someone who has bought individual health insurance feel free to explain to me why these companies dying is a bad thing.

Because when I was starting a business in America I tried to buy individual insurance.  Here's what happened.

- To start, I am a 30 year old healthy non-smoker.  I rarely have to go to the doctor, don't have any diseases, etc.

- Applied for health insurance.  Filling out the 20 page form took hours and involved listing every time I'd been to a doctor or taken any drugs in the last 5 years, listing every family member who had any disease, etc.

- Called by health insurance person and interrogated over the phone about my application and general health for an hour.

- Surprise!  I was rejected. I had a concussion in a freak accident 1.5 years ago.  I lose.

- I call and try to dispute the rejection.  The phone support for people who have been rejected is designed all the way through to frustrate and stall the person until they give up and go away.  They have zero intention of fixing my issues.

- After hours on the phone, I am told by everyone I can speak to that the "underwriting department" that rejected me is off limits and there's no way to talk to them or appeal.  I am told my best bet is to get a doctors' note supporting my case as a healthy person.

- Went to doctor, got note.  Faxed the note to the number I was given.

- They didn't get the note - try this other number?  Rinse, repeat.

- After three faxes to three different numbers, they acknowledge that I sent them a doctor's note.

- Wait two weeks for the note to get to the underwriting department.

- Nope, still rejected.

- Can't get insurance from any other provider because I now have to check a box that says I was rejected for health insurance in the past year.  I might as well be a chain smoking heroin addict with terminal cancer at this point.


So that was fun.  Resolving my health insurance situation took an incredible amount of my time and energy when I should have been focusing on my business (spoiler - I found someone who would help us start a 2 person group plan even though took a bit of bending the rules.  Group plans can't reject you.)

Anyway, I hope these companies die.  All of them.
 
2013-09-26 01:50:35 AM  
wow, that article was written like a High School English Composition assignment.  and any teacher with modest ability would give it a B-, mostly for having few spelling errors and forming complete sentences.
 
2013-09-26 02:08:28 AM  

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


From what I understand, Costco treats their employees quite well...very low turnover.
Judging by the sheer numbers of people there, they also have a pretty broad 'satisfied customer' base.
So, the company does well by both its employees and its customers.

This is a bad business model how?

/ Time to make a Costco run tomorrow...
// Their turkey/provolone sammies are yummy!
 
2013-09-26 02:18:26 AM  

sdd2000: Funny since Costco offers health insurance in several states for their customers and insures most of their employees, including some part timers.


That reminds me...I just got a REALLY sweet deal on my home and car insurance through them!
Saved meself $50 a month...plus a 'free' month on the house and 2 'free' months on the car every year...
 
2013-09-26 02:21:59 AM  
He made a lot of assertions as if he were stating facts but, and I know you won't believe this since he's writing for Fox News, he's lying.
 
2013-09-26 02:26:42 AM  

The Flexecutioner: wow, that article was written like a High School English Composition assignment.  and any teacher with modest ability would give it a B-, mostly for having few spelling errors and forming complete sentences.


Above your grade level then.
 
2013-09-26 02:34:28 AM  

balloot: Anyway, I hope these companies die.  All of them.


That's a terrible thing to say, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Insurance companies are people, my friend.  Vicious, sociopathic people who deserve a plague of inflamed boils.
 
2013-09-26 03:32:43 AM  

o5iiawah: The only world-class hospitals in Cuba the United States are the ones that the connected class get to access. The modern, sleek, clean Cuban American hospitals you see are a Potempkin village for the rich, and don't take Medicaid.


Please tell me how my FTFY is any less true than what you wrote.

o5iiawah: I'll believe that Cuba is a world-class health system when drug companies relocate their HQs there and all the best and highest-paid athletes in the world are flown there to get bone, joint and muscle remedies


Interesting definition of "world class" you have there. Most professional athletes are going to be treated by physicians based in whatever country the team they play for is based in. If you consider World Cup soccer to have the best and highest-paid athletes in the world, then rest assured the Cuban national team is treated in Cuba. (check out their standings in the past few World Cups compared to the US). While you're at it, check out how the Cubans did in the past few World Baseball Classics against our highly paid American boys. They get treatment in Cuba.

Drug companies aren't located there because it is a communist government that is not big on private, for-profit ownership of companies that make their living from providing things like medicine that are necessary for people to live. This is one of the few advantages to communism - removal of the immoral profit motive for jacking up prices on medication, so the individual can either pay out his or her life savings for medication that costs literally pennies to manufacture, or die.

In other words, you have a very flawed definition of "world class". I would take a capitalist definition and say a health care system is "world class" if people who can afford to go elsewhere choose not to. Cuba definitely fits this definition.
 
2013-09-26 03:33:12 AM  
You can graze at Costco .
 
2013-09-26 03:34:35 AM  

netcentric: I don't know if it will be like Costco, but it appears it will cost about $20 more a month for some folks to get the same policy they could have gotten last year.


News Flash: Health insurance prices go up every year.

Under the old system some years ago, my dad's company's policy went up 30 PERCENT from one year to the next.  Not the fault of Obamacare because it hadn't been implemented yet.  Just the fault of the insurance company wanting more money.  And 30% of those premiums was a whole HELL of a lot more than twenty measly bucks.
 
2013-09-26 05:04:47 AM  

balloot: Someone who has bought individual health insurance feel free to explain to me why these companies dying is a bad thing.

Because when I was starting a business in America I tried to buy individual insurance.  Here's what happened.

- To start, I am a 30 year old healthy non-smoker.  I rarely have to go to the doctor, don't have any diseases, etc.

- Applied for health insurance.  Filling out the 20 page form took hours and involved listing every time I'd been to a doctor or taken any drugs in the last 5 years, listing every family member who had any disease, etc.

- Called by health insurance person and interrogated over the phone about my application and general health for an hour.

- Surprise!  I was rejected. I had a concussion in a freak accident 1.5 years ago.  I lose.

- I call and try to dispute the rejection.  The phone support for people who have been rejected is designed all the way through to frustrate and stall the person until they give up and go away.  They have zero intention of fixing my issues.

- After hours on the phone, I am told by everyone I can speak to that the "underwriting department" that rejected me is off limits and there's no way to talk to them or appeal.  I am told my best bet is to get a doctors' note supporting my case as a healthy person.

- Went to doctor, got note.  Faxed the note to the number I was given.

- They didn't get the note - try this other number?  Rinse, repeat.

- After three faxes to three different numbers, they acknowledge that I sent them a doctor's note.

- Wait two weeks for the note to get to the underwriting department.

- Nope, still rejected.

- Can't get insurance from any other provider because I now have to check a box that says I was rejected for health insurance in the past year.  I might as well be a chain smoking heroin addict with terminal cancer at this point.


So that was fun.  Resolving my health insurance situation took an incredible amount of my time and energy when I should have been focusin ...


Why do you hate America. If you worked harder, you could just buy the insurance company, insure yourself, and fire the people who rejected you.
 
2013-09-26 05:54:08 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Laugh it up, libtardos.

We'll see who's still laughing when doctors are begging in the streets with, "Will heal for food" cardboard signs and hospitals are staffed with extras from Mad Max.


AWESOME! It's been my dream to get a prostate exam by Master Blaster.
 
2013-09-26 06:28:50 AM  
Should have said walmart.
 
2013-09-26 06:40:14 AM  

DamnYankees: Isn't Costco good?


potterydove: Should have said walmart.


No. Fox and conservatives love Walmart because they don't pay their workers, they wouldn't dare talk shiat on them.
 
2013-09-26 06:49:46 AM  
Maybe I'd take these concerns seriously if Obamacare weren't a Republican invention and if the Republicans hadn't run the poster boy for proto-Obamacare as their presidential candidate.
 
2013-09-26 08:03:10 AM  

dracos31: Stop


you are LETTING IT HAPPEN by responding, hth
 
2013-09-26 08:18:11 AM  
The bottom line is that the GOP seems to embrace entities, concepts, and policies which people generally view as negative.  This includes the ever important "base".  That is why they wrap their argument in jingoism and religion, because if they used logic and reason their argument would not go over with anyone.
 
2013-09-26 08:39:52 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Aristocles: What would KMFDM do?

Laibach and take it.


Life Is Life, man.
 
2013-09-26 10:06:52 AM  

karmaceutical: cameroncrazy1984: snocone: cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Insurance companies are getting millions of new healthy people paying them money every year. I'm pretty sure they're thrilled about this.

Except for the billions in premium refunds they're probably going to have to give out. They've already given out a few million.

Right.
Ha Ha , oh, I feel vaporish.

You should see a doctor.

Apparently he is one.

I have him "favorited" as legitimately disturbed person


Yes, my disturbance is legitimate.
I have papers to prove it.
 
2013-09-26 11:02:07 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: I can get a jar of Nutella as big as my head at Costco and I was mistaken for Charlie Brown as a child.


i191.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-26 11:56:22 AM  
9 month waiting list? Is he Canadian? I was infromed that you could get an appointment with any specialist within 48hrs, in the US. What's this crazy talk about waiting lists?
 
2013-09-26 12:38:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Aristocles: freak7: Can anybody on Team Obama admit that some people are going to get farked over by Obamacare?

It will never happen. These people have been carrying water for BOB and the dems for years now... they're too jaded.

It's sad, really.

Who? Bob Corker? He's a Republican last I knew.


I think he means Bob Barker. Animal rights is a very contentious issue.
 
2013-09-26 04:39:27 PM  

flondrix: AeAe: The Kirkland brand items are as good as the name brands.

Costco is pretty awesome actually

Can you count on the Kirkland products being available every time you go to Costco?  What turned me off was that on one visit they would have 55 gallon drums of Metamucil but no liquid antacid, the next visit the reverse.


Yep.  Always there.  Maybe we don't get the same things.
 
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