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(LA Times)   Senate votes 100-0 in favor of Ted Cruz shutting the hell up   (latimes.com ) divider line
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2013-09-25 03:07:04 PM  
Doesn't 100-0 mean he voted to begin debate himself?
 
2013-09-25 03:11:51 PM  

ox45tallboy: Doesn't 100-0 mean he voted to begin debate himself?


Winner winner Chicken dinner.
 
2013-09-25 03:15:56 PM  
So Ted Cruz is a uniter where Obongma is a divider!
 
2013-09-25 03:16:57 PM  

Chariset: So Ted Cruz is a uniter where Obongma is a divider!


Oh, I'm sure Obama would vote in favor of Cruz shutting the hell up if he could, too
 
2013-09-25 03:23:25 PM  
He's apparently also trying to get Reid to bypass normal Senate rules and get the vote done quicker, to give the House time to put forward a different bill that only defunds a few parts of Obamacare, like the medical device tax. Reid has correctly told him to STFU, if they wanted that bill, they could have passed it instead.
 
2013-09-25 03:46:19 PM  
This vote actually makes complete sense. It's the obstruction requiring the cloture which made no sense, other than in light of the GOP's consistent tactic of delaying everything, even stuff they support, just for the sake of breaking the government.
 
2013-09-25 03:46:31 PM  

ox45tallboy: He's apparently also trying to get Reid to bypass normal Senate rules and get the vote done quicker, to give the House time to put forward a different bill that only defunds a few parts of Obamacare, like the medical device tax. Reid has correctly told him to STFU, if they wanted that bill, they could have passed it instead.


Ted Cruz is a moron.
 
2013-09-25 03:49:02 PM  

DamnYankees: This vote actually makes complete sense. It's the obstruction requiring the cloture which made no sense, other than in light of the GOP's consistent tactic of delaying everything, even stuff they support, just for the sake of breaking the government.


For hates sake they spit their last breath at Obama, blah blah blah....
 
2013-09-25 03:49:05 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Chariset: So Ted Cruz is a uniter where Obongma is a divider!

Oh, I'm sure Obama would vote in favor of Cruz shutting the hell up if he could, too


As was pointed out already, a 100-0 vote means that Ted Cruz voted for Ted Cruz to shut the hell up
 
2013-09-25 03:49:48 PM  

DamnYankees: This vote actually makes complete sense. It's the obstruction requiring the cloture which made no sense, other than in light of the GOP's consistent tactic of delaying everything, even stuff they support, just for the sake of breaking the government.


And now he wants Reid to rush this bill through to give the House time to make some kind of "compromise" bill that only partially defunds Obamacare.
 
2013-09-25 03:50:44 PM  

Donnchadha: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Chariset: So Ted Cruz is a uniter where Obongma is a divider!

Oh, I'm sure Obama would vote in favor of Cruz shutting the hell up if he could, too

As was pointed out already, a 100-0 vote means that Ted Cruz voted for Ted Cruz to shut the hell up


Yes, I know, thank you

/*sigh* I give up
 
2013-09-25 03:51:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Ted Cruz is a moron.


I can't wait until all the poor people in his district get heath care, and he campaigns on "I filibustered the bill to defund Obamacare!"

/yes, I know, this wasn't a filibuster, but I'm not sure he does
 
2013-09-25 03:52:59 PM  

ox45tallboy: DamnYankees: This vote actually makes complete sense. It's the obstruction requiring the cloture which made no sense, other than in light of the GOP's consistent tactic of delaying everything, even stuff they support, just for the sake of breaking the government.

And now he wants Reid to rush this bill through to give the House time to make some kind of "compromise" bill that only partially defunds Obamacare.


The Dems would happily pass this right now; all the GOP needs to do is agree to waive the post-cloture time. Let's see if they will; actions speak louder than words.
 
2013-09-25 03:53:01 PM  

ox45tallboy: cameroncrazy1984: Ted Cruz is a moron.

I can't wait until all the poor people in his district get heath care, and he campaigns on "I filibustered the bill to defund Obamacare!"

/yes, I know, this wasn't a filibuster, but I'm not sure he does


Doesn't matter if he knows it, his constituents probably don't.
 
2013-09-25 03:53:26 PM  
i'm glad that this whole endeavor is in no way a waste of taxpayer money.
 
2013-09-25 03:53:40 PM  

ox45tallboy: cameroncrazy1984: Ted Cruz is a moron.

I can't wait until all the poor people in his district get heath care, and he campaigns on "I filibustered the bill to defund Obamacare!"

/yes, I know, this wasn't a filibuster, but I'm not sure he does


He's a Senator - he has a state, not a district.
 
2013-09-25 03:58:22 PM  

FlashHarry: i'm glad that this whole endeavor is in no way a waste of taxpayer money.


I thought you were in favor of Obamacare.
 
2013-09-25 03:58:22 PM  

ox45tallboy: Doesn't 100-0 mean he voted to begin debate himself?


Good politicians stand up to others.  Great politicians stand up to themselves.
 
2013-09-25 03:58:28 PM  

DamnYankees: The Dems would happily pass this right now; all the GOP needs to do is agree to waive the post-cloture time. Let's see if they will; actions speak louder than words.


I disagree; the best case for the Dems is to get the CR back to the House absent the Obamacare defunding clause immediately before the deadline, with just enough time for an up-or-down vote. This puts the fault of the government shutdown clearly and completely on the House Republicans attempting to defund Obamacare for the 43rd time.
 
2013-09-25 03:59:23 PM  

DamnYankees: He's a Senator - he has a state, not a district.


I'm not sure if he knows that, either.
 
2013-09-25 04:01:00 PM  

Mike_LowELL: ox45tallboy: Doesn't 100-0 mean he voted to begin debate himself?

Good politicians stand up to others.  Great politicians stand up to themselves.


Hah
 
2013-09-25 04:01:03 PM  

ox45tallboy: DamnYankees: The Dems would happily pass this right now; all the GOP needs to do is agree to waive the post-cloture time. Let's see if they will; actions speak louder than words.

I disagree; the best case for the Dems is to get the CR back to the House absent the Obamacare defunding clause immediately before the deadline, with just enough time for an up-or-down vote. This puts the fault of the government shutdown clearly and completely on the House Republicans attempting to defund Obamacare for the 43rd time.


I disagree. I think it's in the Dem's interest to keep the ball in the House's court for as much time as it can. The Senate has a majority Dems, the House majority GOP, so the longer the focus is on the Senate the more confusing it might become as to who owns this issue.
 
2013-09-25 04:01:49 PM  

Mike_LowELL: ox45tallboy: Doesn't 100-0 mean he voted to begin debate himself?

Good politicians stand up to others.  Great politicians stand up to themselves.



I... Really wish I had a response to this.
 
2013-09-25 04:01:52 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Good politicians stand up to others. Great politicians stand up to themselves.


I think everyone is in favor of him just sitting down at this point.
 
2013-09-25 04:01:58 PM  
Submitter: Senate votes 100-0 in favor of Ted Cruz shutting the hell up

I pray President Obama doesn't veto this move by the Senate.
 
2013-09-25 04:02:10 PM  

DamnYankees: ox45tallboy: cameroncrazy1984: Ted Cruz is a moron.

I can't wait until all the poor people in his district get heath care, and he campaigns on "I filibustered the bill to defund Obamacare!"

/yes, I know, this wasn't a filibuster, but I'm not sure he does

He's a Senator - he has a state, not a district.


There are two Senators in his state. He only THINKS he has the whole state.
 
2013-09-25 04:04:04 PM  

Donnchadha: As was pointed out already, a 100-0 vote means that Ted Cruz voted for Ted Cruz to shut the hell up


Ted Cruz voted for Ted Cruz to shut the hell up about Ted Cruz not wanting the Republican bill to go through, even though he was for the Republican bill that he was trying to stop from going through, but he really didn't have a chance of the bill being stopped anyway.

The modern Republican Party, ladies and gentlemen! Let's give them all a big hand!
 
2013-09-25 04:04:40 PM  
Sounds to me this just clears one hurdle on the way to still getting nothing done.
 
2013-09-25 04:05:55 PM  

Mike_LowELL: ox45tallboy: Doesn't 100-0 mean he voted to begin debate himself?

Good politicians stand up to others.  Great politicians stand up to themselves.


Much more concise than say, a PocketNinja post.  But no less brilliant.
 
2013-09-25 04:05:58 PM  

I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: i'm glad that this whole endeavor is in no way a waste of taxpayer money.

I thought you were in favor of Obamacare.


i'm in favor of single-payer. obamacare is a republican market-based solution that falls far short of what we need.

but it's better than nothing.
 
2013-09-25 04:08:42 PM  

Diogenes: Sounds to me this just clears one hurdle on the way to still getting nothing done.


Oh it'll get done once the amendment to add funding back into Obamacare passes with probably 52 votes and gets added to the bill, passed, and then signed by Obama.
 
2013-09-25 04:09:02 PM  

DamnYankees: I disagree. I think it's in the Dem's interest to keep the ball in the House's court for as much time as it can. The Senate has a majority Dems, the House majority GOP, so the longer the focus is on the Senate the more confusing it might become as to who owns this issue.


I think it's pretty clear to most people what is going on, and why a government shutdown would occur - the Republicans are throwing a hissy fit and demanding their way or they'll shut the whole place down. If a compromise bill is being put forward that de-funds some of the more unpopular parts of Obamacare, such as the medical device tax, some Democrats might cross over and vote in favor to avoid the government shutdown. Then the Republicans start cutting benefits that there is no longer a tax in place to pay for, and the whole thing starts coming apart.
 
2013-09-25 04:10:29 PM  

FlashHarry: I_C_Weener: FlashHarry: i'm glad that this whole endeavor is in no way a waste of taxpayer money.

I thought you were in favor of Obamacare.

i'm in favor of single-payer. obamacare is a republican market-based solution that falls far short of what we need.

but it's better than nothing.


I sorta agree.  Its  the worst option.  My best option would have been more market based (among other things, open up insurance sales across state lines, eliminate private coverage and substitute coops for employers in group plans) but single payer is better than this money grab for the insurance companies.
 
2013-09-25 04:10:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh it'll get done once the amendment to add funding back into Obamacare passes with probably 52 votes and gets added to the bill, passed, and then signed by Obama.


Well, it has to go back to the House first, since it's different than what they approved.
 
2013-09-25 04:10:55 PM  
It seems like the main reason for him to be up there "filibustering" was to be a media seeking attention whore.

Cruz is a Christian, right? He should re- read his Proverbs about sowing inequity and reaping vanity.
 
2013-09-25 04:12:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Diogenes: Sounds to me this just clears one hurdle on the way to still getting nothing done.

Oh it'll get done once the amendment to add funding back into Obamacare passes with probably 52 votes and gets added to the bill, passed, and then signed by Obama.


House would still need to pass that.
 
2013-09-25 04:13:02 PM  

Mike_LowELL: ox45tallboy: Doesn't 100-0 mean he voted to begin debate himself?

Good politicians stand up to others.  Great politicians stand up to themselves.


Ten points to Gryffindor.
 
2013-09-25 04:13:05 PM  

ox45tallboy: cameroncrazy1984: Oh it'll get done once the amendment to add funding back into Obamacare passes with probably 52 votes and gets added to the bill, passed, and then signed by Obama.

Well, it has to go back to the House first, since it's different than what they approved.


Oh yeah, duh. I had forgotten that part. Boehner would have to "violate" the Hastert rule to get that one passed.
 
2013-09-25 04:16:06 PM  
Time is not on their side after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) monopolized the floor in his lonely filibuster-like campaign.

they don't even bother trying to hide their bias.
 
2013-09-25 04:18:16 PM  

ox45tallboy: I think it's pretty clear to most people what is going on, and why a government shutdown would occur - the Republicans are throwing a hissy fit and demanding their way or they'll shut the whole place down....


Most reasonable people see things differently.  The House has determined that taxpayer money should not be wasted on Obamacare, so they have passed a bill to fund the government except for Obamacare.  The Democrats in the Senate and the President are throwing a hissy fit and demanding their way or they'll shut the whole place down.  That's the way reasonable people see it.
 
2013-09-25 04:19:33 PM  

SlothB77: Time is not on their side after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) monopolized the floor in his lonely filibuster-like campaign.

they don't even bother trying to hide their bias.


I'm okay with an obvious bias against grandstanding clowns.
 
2013-09-25 04:20:33 PM  

SkinnyHead: he House has determined that taxpayer money should not be wasted on Obamacare,


Then why have they wasted millions of dollars attempting to repeal it 42 times, and why do they even want to repeal it in the first place considering that the CBO says repeal will increase the deficit?

Oh wait, sorry, you weren't looking for facts.
 
2013-09-25 04:21:09 PM  
Well, there's goes the neighborhood
 
2013-09-25 04:25:32 PM  
You want to know what the kicker is?

Most of Obamacare is implemented by mandatory spending, not discretionary spending subject to appropriation. The bits of Obamacare that is funded through appropriation has already spent the money Congress appropriated.

Even if the defund Obamacare provision stays in the bill, it doesn't actually do anything.
 
2013-09-25 04:25:54 PM  

SlothB77: Time is not on their side after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) monopolized the floor in his lonely filibuster-like campaign.

they don't even bother trying to hide their bias.


He was the only one up there. No one else spoke. How is he not the lone speaker?

It would be farking AMAZING if you could see bias equally. AMAZING.
 
2013-09-25 04:25:58 PM  

SlothB77: Time is not on their side after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) monopolized the floor in his lonely filibuster-like campaign.

they don't even bother trying to hide their bias.


So i looked at the LA Times archives for Wendy Davis.  Remember, the LA Times called Ted Cruz' filibuster 'lonely'.

"Wendy Davis, who rocketed to overnight political celebrity by temporarily blocking passage of antiabortion legislation in Texas ... Asked moments later by an audience member whether she intended to seek the governorship, Davis drew whoops and applause by saying she was weighing the possibility."

"While many thought that Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis' bold filibuster ... 'I think it was the Texas Spring'"

"On Tuesday night, state Sen. Wendy Davis attempted a herculean 13-hour filibuster to stop the passage of SB5"

But the LA Times says Cruz is "growing increasingly isolated".

Folks, that is a lesson in media bias.  Two filibusters that ultimately failed.  Two completely different reactions from the LA Times influenced solely by political bias.
 
2013-09-25 04:26:56 PM  
I hope that the Senate does not accept any bill returned that defunds any part of the ACA, that mandates the Keystone XL, does away with the CFPB, eases EPA regulations, or any of the other bullshiat things the GOP wants to do.

Make it clear - there is no room for games of chicken when it comes to the debt ceiling or budget, and the Democrats will not be held hostage by Republicans willing to put the country's future at stake over their pet issues.
 
2013-09-25 04:27:06 PM  

SlothB77: SlothB77: Time is not on their side after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) monopolized the floor in his lonely filibuster-like campaign.

they don't even bother trying to hide their bias.

So i looked at the LA Times archives for Wendy Davis.  Remember, the LA Times called Ted Cruz' filibuster 'lonely'.

"Wendy Davis, who rocketed to overnight political celebrity by temporarily blocking passage of antiabortion legislation in Texas ... Asked moments later by an audience member whether she intended to seek the governorship, Davis drew whoops and applause by saying she was weighing the possibility."

"While many thought that Texas state Sen. Wendy Davis' bold filibuster ... 'I think it was the Texas Spring'"

"On Tuesday night, state Sen. Wendy Davis attempted a herculean 13-hour filibuster to stop the passage of SB5"

But the LA Times says Cruz is "growing increasingly isolated".

Folks, that is a lesson in media bias.  Two filibusters that ultimately failed.  Two completely different reactions from the LA Times influenced solely by political bias.


Because one actually was a filibuster and one was a time waster?
 
2013-09-25 04:27:44 PM  

SilentStrider: I... Really wish I had a response to this.


Nietzsche once asked a horse if he was the one who gave him syphilis.  The horse did not respond.  The horse knew to keep silence in the face of greatness.   From this, we can conclude the horse was the smartest man that Nietzsche ever debated.  Sometimes, the smartest men in the room know when cede the floor.  You have proven yourself worthy of this.  I commend you.
 
2013-09-25 04:28:52 PM  
I remember preople rooting and cheering Davis on, and everyone calling Cruz an asshole.

That is not bias. Its what happened
 
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