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(TreeHugger)   Attention bicyclists of New York City: Just because you think a street needs its own bike lane doesn't mean you get to take it upon yourself to paint a fake bike lane. "We're doing something for the public good"   (treehugger.com) divider line 73
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2013-09-25 04:38:51 PM
20 votes:
I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."
2013-09-25 05:48:51 PM
6 votes:
Cyclists should just wait til the weekend to go on their joyrides. I'd be fine with bicyclists getting their own lane on weekends. But during the week, when actual adults are commuting to work, and these wanna-be Lance Armstrongs are clogging the lanes? Stay home and update your urban lifestyle blog, go harvest some organic kale at the local co-op, or go vintage loafer shopping with your life partner Seth. Leave the roads to the adults who actually work for a living.
2013-09-25 05:43:39 PM
5 votes:

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


So much this, and frankly, when I'm huffing and puffing up a steep hill with a perfectly usable sidewalk nearby and there are several cars behind me, I use the sidewalk.  I don't want 10 angry drivers behind me, each piloting 300lbs+ of biker death.
2013-09-25 06:08:55 PM
4 votes:
Cyclist philosophy:

"I use a green form of transportation.  This makes me better than you filthy scumbags.  I deserve special treatment."

Maybe NYC needs a special lane for non-motor vehicles, but being a douche about it doesn't make people want to support your ideas.
2013-09-25 06:06:30 PM
4 votes:
Inside a bicyclist's head:

"I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian......."
2013-09-25 06:05:24 PM
4 votes:

serial_crusher: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.

What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


It's not a legally registered and licensed vehicle. Make them pay to register the vehicle and get a licence. Then build them lanes. Get them paying a road tax to use the road. Even Horse and Buggy operators pay a tax and have a licence.
Until then they are fair game.

Oh and don't go into the "But, but pedestrians!" mode. Those Farkers have to cross at a crosswalk and watch the signals or they're fair game too.
2013-09-25 05:24:38 PM
4 votes:
How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

You're on a bike? You're inches from farking death by choice. GROW THE fark UP AND ACT LIKE IT, ASSHOLES. Be cautious and respectful.
2013-09-25 08:35:46 PM
3 votes:

Token Anarchist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.

Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.

Logically, bicycles should have the right of way. They're greener, healthier, and cheaper.


Your reasons are not logical at all. Your reasons that bikes should have the right of way are purely emotional.
2013-09-25 08:12:02 PM
3 votes:
I love the biker response of "Well, cars go through stop lights and red lights too!". Yep, and those guys are a-holes, just like the cyclists that do it. I would think that aside from trying to abide by the rules, most cyclist would know they are pretty exposed...even if they have their own bike lane...and would do everything they could to avoid getting into a bad situation.
2013-09-25 07:00:35 PM
3 votes:
I live between 2 major highways that are connected by two roads in the area, the one I live on and another cross connector about a half mile away, the other road is a straight, paved 2 lane road with sidewalks and bike lanes, a 45 MPH speed limit, through trucks are prohibited on it, and to make it nicer it is not built up much yet so it has a lot of country scenery to view, the road I live on is a narrow 2 lane road that is a STAA access route (IE heavy truck route) with no sidewalks, bike lanes or shoulder, has a 60 MPH speed limit, and is a light industrial/farm area so the view isn't much just farmland and a few light industrial shops (like mine) yet the local bike club uses it instead of the nicer road not a half mile away, why? because it is more "challenging" which it is if your idea of a challenge is finding a way to dodge semis going 65 when you have no shoulder to duck onto while going around blind corners, all the while smelling the fine odors of pigstys mixed with fertilizer and industrial solvents....


/cyclists must have a death wish is all I can figure out
2013-09-25 06:35:25 PM
3 votes:

theorellior: It's the law. You want cyclists to stop at stop signs and obey traffic laws and be good upstanding citizens, then you get to follow the same rules. If bikes are treated exactly the same as internal-combustion powered automobiles in the eyes of the law, then you just sit back on your ass while the bike take up the entire lane as the law entitles it to, going just as fast as the cyclist can go. So blow it out your ass.


There are minimum speed limit and obstruction of traffic laws too, so yes, let's treat cyclists the same.
2013-09-25 06:11:34 PM
3 votes:

hailin: I almost hit a cyclist the other day. I was at a stop light going to turn right. I didn't pass a cyclist on the way to the stop light, so they must have turned onto the road after I passed. They came up on my right side as I made my turn as the light turned green. They flipped me off and yelled at me. I still feel bad, but honestly never even thought about checking over my right shoulder making a right turn. I sure will from now on, but I wonder whose fault it would have been if an accident had happened.


theirs. bikes are vehicles and passing on the right at an intersection is illegal (for this reason)
2013-09-25 06:00:38 PM
3 votes:
www.hbstache.com

This sums up my feelings as a long time cyclist.....pretty simple really
2013-09-25 05:59:36 PM
3 votes:
I almost hit a cyclist the other day. I was at a stop light going to turn right. I didn't pass a cyclist on the way to the stop light, so they must have turned onto the road after I passed. They came up on my right side as I made my turn as the light turned green. They flipped me off and yelled at me. I still feel bad, but honestly never even thought about checking over my right shoulder making a right turn. I sure will from now on, but I wonder whose fault it would have been if an accident had happened.
2013-09-25 05:42:51 PM
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-09-25 04:21:24 PM
3 votes:
Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.
2013-09-25 09:00:40 PM
2 votes:

Luse: a simple, uniform rule, like, treat bicycles like scooters, regardless where you go.


Give bikes lighted turn signals and brake lights, and ticket riders when they disrupt the flow of traffic or otherwise violate traffic laws?

Sounds like a good idea, if you ask me.
2013-09-25 08:21:30 PM
2 votes:

meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Push off the ...


What the hell is wrong with you?

If you can't touch the ground with BOTH feet on tiptoes, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, your seat is set WAY too high.  If you can't put BOTH feet flat on the ground, you're at least a little too high.

And if you're bouncing pedals off of your shin to start, you're a complete idiot.
2013-09-25 07:51:17 PM
2 votes:

Luse: meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Pus ...


I must be some kind of savant bicycle rider because stopping a bike has never been the time consuming, self mutilating experience you describe.
2013-09-25 07:40:37 PM
2 votes:

meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Push off the ...


I ride a motorcycle. I won't bore you with the details, but stops on those are also involved.
What you are asking for is special treatment. You demand the same rights as every other vehicle on the road, but make excuses for why you can't act like every other vehicle on the road.
If you cannot be on the road, and follow all of it's rules, you should either change your route, or your vehicle. Riding a bicycle is not some special right that waves your responsibility to the law. The "i'm a vehicle until it's inconvenient" thinking is what generates the hatred for bicycles.
I've got no issues with bikers like firefly2012 and I would stand beside him when he argues that he deserves a share of the road. I can't say the same for you.

He has MS and can still do the entire process, why can't you?
2013-09-25 07:10:55 PM
2 votes:

Treygreen13: waterrockets: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

So we're going to rate the red-light running? Watch cars stop on red when turning right. Watch cars sneak through turning left. good luck finding a light with none of them. Go ahead and tell me these never cause accidents.

I never claimed cars didn't cause accidents. I just want to contest that if I sit at any red light for 5 minutes I'll see a car blow through a red light like a cyclist does. The cyclists here absolutely give zero shiats about the red light. They just drive through them like they're not there - and not accidentally. Not like the guy who doesn't see it. There's a moment where they go from "I'm a car so I'm driving in a full lane" to "I'm on a bicycle so the lights don't apply to me."

StopLurkListen: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, ma ...


I don't know where you live, but that's a bit of an exaggeration. Furthermore, it would be a bullshiat comparison. Let's take, what percentage of cars vs what percentage of bicyclists run reds. You'll find that it's a huge difference. Hell, some of them proudly profess it here on this very site! In this very thread!!! Can you believe it?
How many people on this site proudly profess that they run reds regularly in their car?
2013-09-25 06:57:20 PM
2 votes:
"Right of Way is a NYC-based activist collective 'dedicated to asserting the rights of car-free street users'"

that phrase alone makes me want to mow them down with a unimog.
2013-09-25 06:55:46 PM
2 votes:

Luse: firefly212: Luse: firefly212: Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.

I already can't get a farking drivers license b/c of my MS, now you want to take my bike away too? How am I supposed to get to work? Teleportation...

Would you still object if the Driver's License requirement was amended or waved but you still were held responsible for the other parts. Lane sharing, running reds, having to pull over if more than 5 cars are following you etc.?

I'm cool with most of that, but on some of these mtn roads, there isn't exactly a "pull over" option unless you want to fall a few hundred feet.

/much of the state also doesn't believe in guardrails.

Most states with the pull over requirement have designated spots designed for just that. Unfortunately they get used about as frequently as turn signals.


No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.
2013-09-25 06:41:20 PM
2 votes:
While back some cyclist decided to get hit by a car, around my area they painted a bike path, it didn't take a year later before some cyclist who again decides not to follow the laws of the road - get t-boned by a motorcycle - another group of people with their "WATCH OUT FOR MOTORCYCLE!" stickers everywhere.

Cyclist got farked up bad and the motorcyclist had no helmet, what I don't understand is why cyclist want to be assholes? They expect cars to stop just because they have no protection - but they ignore all laws concerning the road because they believe they own it.

/agree with the guy up top, why do they constantly ride in the middle of a ROAD when there is a sidewalk especially when traffic is around?
//I bike and ride a motorcycle, maybe im a triple asshole on top of being a racist arab, then again my motorcycle is for quiet back roads on a sunday and biking is for cross country not near roads - frankly I want to preserve my life especially around cars where people text all the time
2013-09-25 06:38:23 PM
2 votes:

waterrockets: Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."

Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red. There are asshole cyclists, and there are asshole drivers. Similar percentage of each.


Not even close.

I've never seen a car in Philly blow a light by more than 3 seconds (not counting cops...).

I see that three times daily on my walk to/from the train, each way. I also enjoy diving out of the way of bikes going the wrong way down one-way streets, or using the sidewalks as a local lane. fark bikers. Even the insane panhandlers are more law-abiding.
2013-09-25 06:35:44 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.

What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


Is this taking place in a magical fairy world where bikes obey traffic laws instead of randomly careening into traffic?

Also -- because guerrilla lanes may not be conforming to standards for width and vehicle clearance.
2013-09-25 06:27:37 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


Perhaps it is because you dont want motorists questioning whether a given bike lane sign is actually legitimate
2013-09-25 05:57:21 PM
2 votes:

Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.


Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.
2013-09-25 04:54:55 PM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.

What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


The street in question is steep, narrow and with a couple of blind curves. Cars regularly gun it up the road and nearly hit cyclists as it is. A fake bike lane would give false assurances that the road is safe, despite not being up to regulations.
2013-09-25 04:41:28 PM
2 votes:
Attention shiatty bloggers: just because the screenshot you took of a video has a play/pause button does not magically turn it into an actual video.  Asshole.
2013-09-25 04:03:55 PM
2 votes:
I am completely okay with this as long as I am allowed to make up my lanes as well.
2013-09-26 03:37:00 AM
1 votes:

ShepTR: Ooh, is this the thread where car drivers complain that they get mildly inconvenienced when they are stuck behind a bicyclist for 30 seconds, and therefore wish death upon them?

If it is, sign me up! fark those guys!


Nah, this is the one where cyclists kvetch about not having rights to the road, and then forgetting that they still aren't equal in every place known to man, and that they don't get special privs here.

Here in my state, we have bike lanes in my city, and we have specific rules for bikes. You're still supposed to follow all lights and signs, and you're supposed to defer to the right and let the cars pass if you're unable to keep up with the flow of traffic.

You're also supposed to walk your damn bike through crosswalks, because those are for pedestrians, and you're a vehicle.

I smile a little bit every time another cyclist gets a ticket for running a red light. There's a T intersection here near the college, and no bikes ever stop at the stop sign when they're not making a turn. They ticket there regularly too, because you're supposed to stop.

Want equal rights? Take equal responsibility.

And if I catch you trying to lane share like a motorcycle, don't be surprised when you nearly get hit trying to bypass traffic turning when you want to go straight. That one was fun Two lanes of traffic, both turning left at a red. Bike between us. Bike wants to go straight. Bike almost gets turned into road paste when the car next to him on the right was also making the same turn we were and he was in the way.

Idiots.
2013-09-26 12:08:02 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: firefly212: Kahabut: fark cyclists.  I used to have a much more congenial attitude, but as it turns out, you guys are almost 100% assholes and hypocrites, so now I don't even try and be nice about it.

Let me paint you a picture, My car has 400hp and weights 4,300lbs.  You will die if you get in my way.

Ride safe.

So... you threaten to murder people with your car (and apparently tiny penis), but they're the real assholes in this?

Accidents happen. Being aware that you are surrounded by two tons of speeding hunks of metal is a good thing.

Drivers will don't want to have an accident because of the pain in the ass it is to get repairs. Bikers should worry about being killed in one.


It's that whole "if you get in my way" part that just rubs me wrong... too often I see drivers who think they have impunity because they have cars... your car is stupid and insignificant compared to the terrain I live on, and if you expect all the respect for the fact you're operating two tons of explosion-powered machinery to come from the outside, you're gonna end up dead here really fast in the winter. Regardless of whether you're in a car or on a bicycle, you need to anticipate and respect the whole world around you. Your way doesn't matter when rocks the size of trucks come tumbling down the mountain, it doesn't matter in avalanche prone territory, and it doesn't matter on ice slicked roads in mountain passes. The arrogance of thinking that your car is a safety shell is miind-bogglingly stupid and gets people killed  up here in the mountains every year. Frankly, I imagine most of the disrespectful dicks to think exactly on the lines of Kahabut, ooh, 400hp and 4000 lbs... that's gonna be really farking scary when I'm riding my bike up a hill being mindful of my environment and you get pounded by a farking boulder...

/car needs more hp to accelerate that massive ego... grr... don't get in my way, mr. internet tough guy.
2013-09-25 10:44:52 PM
1 votes:

Insurgent: lol that is not how right-of-way works.


You're right, it's not. This is how right-of-way works:  3,000 pound motor vehicle versus 150 pounds of asshole atop 40 pounds of aluminum tubing and rubber.All the pretense in the universe won't save you if you dart out in front of one without looking, run a red light or stop sign, or weave in and out of traffic like a chicken with its goddamn head cut off.

So, don't farking do it. Don't get pissy when someone who has no grasp of Newton's laws of motion does, and ends up chunky salsa. Don't sit around here and brag about doing it, or try to argue it's your right to reject our reality and substitute your own. Liability being on the head of the driver is no excuse, because in a battle between Car and Bicycle, the driver will be the one alive and/or  not horrifically mangled to face the legal ramifications in the first place.

You know, I don't drive on train tracks even though where I live it may actually be the most expedient route from point of origin to destination. I don't race trains, and I don't tearass out in front of them at a cross. Why that is, is because in the battle between Car and Train, if I'm representing Team Car my odds aren't too good.
2013-09-25 10:43:30 PM
1 votes:

Markoff_Cheney: Luse: Insurgent: Luse: If we are to talk about right of way, then the person who pays more is the person with the right of way. You gotta pay to ride first class, baby.

lol that is not how right-of-way works.

Not entirely, but my point was, roads were designed for motor vehicles, not bicycles, and the infrastructure was designed, and taxed in such a way as to support it.

The point is, bicyclists want to have right of way on public roads without meeting even the bare requirements, or most of the costs associated with them. Entitlement culture at it's finest.
Please, tell my why a cyclist is so special that they get all of the rights, right of way, and don't have to meet even the bare requirements of the road.

because lawmakers need to designate bikes as a vehicle so they can prosecute DUIs on bikes for people so farking stupid they lose their license and choose to continue to cruise around drunk but on a bike.  Seriously.  the laws make it a catch 22.  you are basically on a motorcycle with no motor and HAVE to ride on the street or face a ticket from a cop having a bad day.

many people on bikes are either doing it for health and recreation or necessity.  one of the necessities being that they lost their license for one reason or another.  this doesnt make things better, but that is how it is.  in ski resort towns cops specifically look for recent DUI arrests on bikes to get them their second OUI and get them back in scummit county jail for a few months.

its the drunkards fault for falling for it even after hearing dozens of tales of this sort of thing in their alcohol class.


So instead of fixing a corrupt system we should encourage it by making "special" classes of citizens? I don't disagree that a bicycle is less dangerous than a car. However my car veering to avoid your drunk ass is quite lethal.
So decide,

You are either a pedestrian, on a sidewalk, following all pedestrian on a sidewalk rules.
OR
You are a vehicle, on a public road way, following all vehicle on a roadway rules.

It really is that simple.
2013-09-25 10:16:47 PM
1 votes:

whatshisname: rubi_con_man: If you tried to trace the money from inputs to outputs, the outgoing bills for road crews and asphalt would look like sausage.

Exactly, which is why it's silly to claim that roads are paid for exclusively from fees paid by motorists. I think I read that the income from gas taxes accounts for about 15%, and it's probably the largest single contribution extracted solely from motorists. But hey, cyclists eat lots of organic veggies trucked up from California so they are indirectly contributing, too, right  etc.  etc.


Then why should motorists pay an extra tax, have to get licensed, have to pay a registration fee and bicyclists shouldn't? All of those are excuses, the government uses for road usage. Why shouldn't you have to prove your knowledge of road rules of ability to ride?
2013-09-25 10:10:55 PM
1 votes:
All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, marked bike detector, but about 10% of the time they don't work, either. After a dozen or more of these traffic signalized intersections designed for cars, cyclists tend to slow, look, and go when they think it's safe.

So even the stop signs have magnetic loop detectors?
2013-09-25 10:05:01 PM
1 votes:

whatshisname: Luse: whatshisname: Luse: whatshisname: ThisIsntMe: But, if we use the taxpayer paid for roads, we should pay for it in some manner.

We do. Roads are paid for from general tax revenues, not some magical tax that only motorists pay.

Driver's License, Emissions testing, registration, insurance, gasoline taxes from all levels of government, am I missing anything?

Yes, the fact that most of the fees you mention only pay for their own administration.

Oh goodie, you want to play. Let's start with the first one. If you are to be on a state or federally regulated roadway you would need a license to do so. We can call it a Driver's License. It could be something that proves that you have the basic understandings of the rules of the road, and how to navigate on said road. You can also prove your ability to perform all of the required maneuvers. Then, and only then you would be allowed on the road, BUT, not before you pay the fee for "their own administration".

Yes and the fees you pay to get and renew that driver's license pay for the program that administers the licenses, not for the construction and maintenance of roads. That's the argument, right? What pays for roads?


I'm sorry but we don't live in a socialist country. Nothing here runs for "their own administration". Everything I mentioned is a taxed item that is paid by every single motor vehicle owner, and therefore part of the "general tax". The other thing that every item I named has in common is that not a single cyclist pays them. Therefore, the cyclist contributes nothing, or drastically less than the motor vehicle owner.

If we are to talk about right of way, then the person who pays more is the person with the right of way. You gotta pay to ride first class, baby.

Oh, and don't think I didn't notice your dodge. You still haven't explained why a cyclist should be exempt from a Driver's License requirement if they want to share public roads. Every single other vehicle that uses them needs it, so should a cyclist.
2013-09-25 09:56:01 PM
1 votes:

whatshisname: Luse: whatshisname: ThisIsntMe: But, if we use the taxpayer paid for roads, we should pay for it in some manner.

We do. Roads are paid for from general tax revenues, not some magical tax that only motorists pay.

Driver's License, Emissions testing, registration, insurance, gasoline taxes from all levels of government, am I missing anything?

Yes, the fact that most of the fees you mention only pay for their own administration.


Oh goodie, you want to play. Let's start with the first one. If you are to be on a state or federally regulated roadway you would need a license to do so. We can call it a Driver's License. It could be something that proves that you have the basic understandings of the rules of the road, and how to navigate on said road. You can also prove your ability to perform all of the required maneuvers. Then, and only then you would be allowed on the road, BUT, not before you pay the fee for "their own administration".
2013-09-25 09:38:21 PM
1 votes:

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


The Quantum Cyclist. It is both a vehicle and a pedestrian at any given time however the act of observing it forces it to be in one state or the other. Being in the wrong quantum state at the wrong time can lead to them ending up like a certain cat that exhibits a similar uncertainty of it's state until observed.
2013-09-25 08:53:37 PM
1 votes:

BadReligion: Token Anarchist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.

Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.

Logically, bicycles should have the right of way. They're greener, healthier, and cheaper.

Your reasons are not logical at all. Your reasons that bikes should have the right of way are purely emotional.


Yeah, this. There's nothing logical about basing transportation engineering on fashionable political values. A bicycle being "greener" literally has no bearing on rights of way.
2013-09-25 08:50:34 PM
1 votes:
fark cyclists.  I used to have a much more congenial attitude, but as it turns out, you guys are almost 100% assholes and hypocrites, so now I don't even try and be nice about it.

Let me paint you a picture, My car has 400hp and weights 4,300lbs.  You will die if you get in my way.

Ride safe.
2013-09-25 08:47:03 PM
1 votes:

meyerkev: Gerrok: I must be some kind of savant bicycle rider because stopping a bike has never been the time consuming, self mutilating experience you describe.

Well, there's 2 things.

1) You know how the crazy bikers say that if you really want to get power, you should be able to fully extend your leg.  And as a side effect, this means that you can't touch the ground without leaning WAY over (and thus out of the bike lane).

They're totally right.  I raised my bike seat height 2 inches, and cut 15-20 minutes off my 70 minute ride home from work.  And since my bike ride home is about 60% neighborhood w/o stop signs or bike trail, that's worth doing even when it means that a stop is a dismount (since I can go 30 minutes from Cal Ave to Mountain View and only need to stop three times).

The flip side is that coming to a complete stop (vs. coming to a 99% complete stop where the bike has almost no to no forward motion while you make sure that no one is coming or wait for the intersection to clear at an all-way stop) is the same thing as doing a complete and total dismount with heaving and middle-bar-into-crotching as described.  The exception is if you can use the curb to place your foot on (which you can't, because of street parking.  I suppose I could brace on their cars, but the last time I did that, I broke a couple of ribs).

When I know that I'm going to be doing significant road biking with lots of stop signs/lights (vs. trail biking, where you almost never, ever, ever have to come to a  complete halt), I drop the bike seat back to that spot.

2) So I switched from really shiatty plastic pedals to much nicer metal pedals that don't crack when you apply pressure to them.  Before that happened, I got in the habit of using my shin to stop the pedals when I was getting them in "launch position" (just forwards of the highest point).  The new pedals happened to have little prongs to hold your foot in place.

So now every time I use my shin to stop the pedals (and it's the fa ...


Sorry Lance, but aren't you the guy that came into the thread saying, "and a top speed of 10-15 MPH.  (There are people who go faster, but if you're doing that on a road where you're continuously required to stop, you're a) in WAY better shape than me "?

I'm no fancy bicycle rider, and I don't have a fancy bicycle, I paid 50 bucks for it on Craigslist. I do better than those speeds, don't break my balls or my ribs, don't rake my shins, and I ride all of 5 farking times a year. Just because you are either riding some douchetastic fixed gear race bike or are a complete idiot does not mean we will change how traffic flows. You sir, are an idiot. Darwin has a cure.
2013-09-25 08:38:14 PM
1 votes:

Token Anarchist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.

Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.

Logically, bicycles should have the right of way. They're greener, healthier, and cheaper.


You can have it as soon as we transfer all of the taxes and fees that pay for the roads from motor vehicles onto your bicycle. You get what you pay for.
I on the other hand will take the extra money and extend my vacation by a week.
2013-09-25 08:30:51 PM
1 votes:

meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Push off the ...


In almost 20 years of cycling in London I never once experienced a stop like the one you describe. Are you using some sort of racing bike on congested roads with stop signs and traffic lights instead of on the unobstructed track it was designed for? If so you've chosen a shiat tool for the task at hand.
2013-09-25 08:19:24 PM
1 votes:

ActionJoe: I love the biker response of "Well, cars go through stop lights and red lights too!". Yep, and those guys are a-holes, just like the cyclists that do it. I would think that aside from trying to abide by the rules, most cyclist would know they are pretty exposed...even if they have their own bike lane...and would do everything they could to avoid getting into a bad situation.


That's what confuses me most about the whole thing. As mentioned, I ride a motorcycle. I feel pretty farking exposed every time I'm out there. The old adage, "It's not who's right, it's who's left." rings incredibly true. Now on my bike, I've got about 55 horsepower that can help me GTFO should I need to. On a bicycle you've got your chicken legs yet you act like you're in an invincibility bubble.

Proof positive that complete self delusion is not only a Republican disease.
2013-09-25 07:54:03 PM
1 votes:
Sadly, this is one of the least adversarial and insane things I've heard from biking activists in a while.
2013-09-25 07:34:20 PM
1 votes:
Drivers aren't the problem.
Cyclists aren't the problem.
Arseholes are the problem. And it's a big problem.
2013-09-25 07:30:05 PM
1 votes:
Your lovely chart is in German if I am not mistaken. It is hardly applicable to the U.S. never mind California. The cultures are quite different. Bicyclists here will gladly tell you that they run reds or stop signs because they believe they don't apply to them. Some people in this very thread have done that. This goes even further. http://sfist.com/2012/04/05/cyclist_who_struck_pedestrian_at_ca.php
People like that not only brag about it, blog about it, but then write a farking Ode to My Helmet after killing a man.
German stats don't apply to the US. Simple, ya?
2013-09-25 07:21:03 PM
1 votes:
Luse
Let's take, what percentage of cars vs what percentage of bicyclists run reds. You'll find that it's a huge difference.

i.imgur.com
2013-09-25 07:16:57 PM
1 votes:

Calmamity: .. but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road.


The fun starts when cyclists use shared cycle/pedestrian footpaths. The sort of issues that car drivers rage about (and the cyclists act holier that thou over) surface again and its the cyclists turn to rage.

Ie, the cyclists that just caused a traffic jam riding 2 abreast (because they have a right to) then get stuck behind 2 pedestrians riding 2 abreast and they lose. the. farken. plot.

"Single file! Keep to the left!* Get out of the way! Your slowing us down!"

(I am not American)

It's hilarious.
2013-09-25 07:09:00 PM
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, marked bike detector, but about 10% of the time they don't work, either. After a dozen or more of these traffic signalized intersections designed for cars, cyclists tend to slow, look, and go when they think it's safe.


So use the cross-walk love. It's for pedestrians. But get off your bike in the cross-walk. Because it's for pedestrians.
2013-09-25 07:06:52 PM
1 votes:

waterrockets: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

So we're going to rate the red-light running? Watch cars stop on red when turning right. Watch cars sneak through turning left. good luck finding a light with none of them. Go ahead and tell me these never cause accidents.


I never claimed cars didn't cause accidents. I just want to contest that if I sit at any red light for 5 minutes I'll see a car blow through a red light like a cyclist does. The cyclists here absolutely give zero shiats about the red light. They just drive through them like they're not there - and not accidentally. Not like the guy who doesn't see it. There's a moment where they go from "I'm a car so I'm driving in a full lane" to "I'm on a bicycle so the lights don't apply to me."

StopLurkListen: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, marked bike detector, but about 10% of the time they don't work, either. After a dozen or more of these traffic signalized intersections designed for cars, cyclists tend to slow, look, and go when they think it's safe.


And that's not what I was talking about at all in my post stating that you won't see cars drive through red lights at *any intersection* if you wait 5 minutes like the poster I quoted claimed. I feel your pain on not being "sensed" but I see cyclists drive right through traffic lights and on/off the sidewalk all the time.
2013-09-25 07:03:50 PM
1 votes:
commuteorlando.com

Taking the lane is the safest option, for the bicyclist and for the driver behind them.  Drivers, all you have to do is pass legally, by moving into the other lane when it is safe to do so.  If you can't pass safely, then don't pass.
2013-09-25 06:58:59 PM
1 votes:

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


That. I yelled at one doing that a few months back - in retrospect, I likely sounded like a bit of a 'tard for yelling at her to get the fark out of the road, but WTF, that stretch has shoulders 3 feet wide. There's no excuse for me to be forced to either follow or pass her over a double yellow. There is never ANY excuse for a car to be stuck behind some arsehole cyclist like that.
2013-09-25 06:51:00 PM
1 votes:

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


Well, going on the sidewalk is a significant ticket, and pedestrians are even bigger idiots than cyclists when they're on the sidewalk, which makes that an accident waiting to happen.  So we're legally required to be in the road (though there are some roads where I say "FARK THAT") and legally allowed to take the entire lane, since for functional legal purposes, we are a car that happens to have no blinkers, and a top speed of 10-15 MPH.  (There are people who go faster, but if you're doing that on a road where you're continuously required to stop, you're a) in WAY better shape than me since I can't routinely hit that speed over and over and over again from a dead stop and b) a farking idiot because you CANNOT stop quickly enough on a yellow light without flipping over the handlebars.  Save it for the trail)

But yes, the red light problem IS a problem.  Farking stop, you idiots.  If it's a stop sign, I'm cool with treating it as a yield (I do it too.  Slow down, look left, look right, go if there are no cars, spend a few seconds stopping and dismounting (since you can't reach the ground from the bike seat) otherwise), but if they have a stoplight, FARKING STOP.  That means that there are TONS of cars about to come rolling through and you WILL DIE.
2013-09-25 06:49:12 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: Inside a bicyclist's head:

"I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian......."


Which is still better than most car driver's heads:

"What do I have to do after work today, oh that's right I'm meeting sarah for drinks, got she is such a biatch I can't believe she is cheating on john, oh look at marasha's text message I can't believe she sent me that. I'll just quickly responded"... *thump* "oh my god that cyclist came out of no where!!!!"
2013-09-25 06:47:36 PM
1 votes:

Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.


This.  I can't tell you how many times I've nearly been hit by a bicycle that refused to slow down for pedestrians in a crosswalk.
2013-09-25 06:40:22 PM
1 votes:

Ecdysozoa: Love the cager rage in this thread.

No matter what inconvenience a cyclist or pedestrian are to a motor vehicle a little right pedal action quickly gets your ass going again.

/cagers can deal with it
//digital sunglasses.gif


lol.....frustrated and impotent faux bicyclist-type typing detected

/loosen your shorts
//don't stamp your little feet if you are wearing your cleats+
2013-09-25 06:37:29 PM
1 votes:
I ride a bike to/from work when the shuttles aren't running. I have MS, and spasms, and my neurologist says I shouldn't have a drivers license... so that just kind of is what it is. I don't blow through red lights, and I try to ride in the shoulder (when available) because much like you don't want me in the road, I'd much rather not be in the road. That said, where there's no sidewalk, and I have to ride in the road, drivers are total dickbags to me (out of state ones anyways, CO drivers seem pretty used to it around here). I was riding up a hill on the road to my house, it has no sidewalks, no centerline, and no shoulders, but is a pretty wide road. I was about a foot from the guard rail, and there was plenty of space to pass me... but this total twatrocket from texas in a big SUV felt the need to creep up the hill behind me, laying on the horn for about 5 minutes straight, before realizing, at probably the narrowest part of the road, that she had the option of just driving right on by.

I know nobody on fark actually reads the csbs, but with all the bicyclist hate out there, I though the thread kind of lacked any balance.
2013-09-25 06:29:31 PM
1 votes:
"We're doing something for the public good," said Keegan Stephan, one of the founders of the group, called Right of Way. "So I think it's O.K., even if it's illegal."

So, it's illegal, but KEE-F*CKING-gan says he wants to do it anyway, so it's legal.

If I posted that pic of the car smashing through a crowd of bicyclists (again), the Fark mods will get a load of butthurt (again) and suspend me (again).

So, just Google Image up "car smashing through bicyclists" and see it for yourself they type of response I'd give to snotty little sh*ts like Keegan Stephan.
2013-09-25 06:20:02 PM
1 votes:

ShepTR: Ooh, is this the thread where car drivers complain that they get mildly inconvenienced when they are stuck behind a bicyclist for 30 seconds, and therefore wish death upon them?

If it is, sign me up! fark those guys!


Cyclists should die. But it need not be a physical death. Just slay the beast within you that needs to find adversaries. Drivers do the same.

We're all just people. Slower traffic keep right. Watch out for your corn hole.
2013-09-25 06:18:58 PM
1 votes:

ZeroPly: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

I know a few people who've biked in Tokyo, and it's safe precisely because the bicycling rules are NOT enforced. Police turn a blind eye to two people on a bike, cruising through stops, etc. At the same time, they've come up with unwritten societal rules to keep it safe, so if you're weaving around with a BAC of 0.15, yeah, you'll probably be in trouble.

Americans can't stare down the road unless there are lines carefully painted for them. When they go to other countries where for example, there are no center lines painted, they lose their f*cking minds and can't imagine how a few thousand people a day aren't dying in wrong way crashes. A lot of this is using some common sense and thinking on your feet, which apparently American drivers are incapable of.


Your post is filled with bullshiat.
2013-09-25 06:07:25 PM
1 votes:

waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.


Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.
2013-09-25 06:03:00 PM
1 votes:

New Age Redneck: [www.hbstache.com image 166x250]

This sums up my feelings as a long time cyclist.....pretty simple really


This.  No sympathies from me for those cyclist douches who blow through red lights and stop signs.  Aim for them, I say.  Maybe get some of the heat of the law-abiding cyclists' backs.


/cyclist who rides 100 miles a week
2013-09-25 06:00:46 PM
1 votes:
Ooh, is this the thread where car drivers complain that they get mildly inconvenienced when they are stuck behind a bicyclist for 30 seconds, and therefore wish death upon them?

If it is, sign me up! fark those guys!
2013-09-25 05:58:29 PM
1 votes:

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


It's the law. You want cyclists to stop at stop signs and obey traffic laws and be good upstanding citizens, then you get to follow the same rules. If bikes are treated exactly the same as internal-combustion powered automobiles in the eyes of the law, then you just sit back on your ass while the bike take up the entire lane as the law entitles it to, going just as fast as the cyclist can go. So blow it out your ass.
2013-09-25 05:57:40 PM
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All in favor of bike lanes in the more congested areas, but not so much in the less congested one.We had last year or so, a bike lane open in Albuquerque that traverses half the city. Was hailed by many bikers, not so much by those against it, saying overall, it served no purpose. I for one, do like using designated trails, but frown on those using motorized bikes, and it's clearly marked that no motorized bikes are allowed, yet these asshats feel haughty enough to do so. I'm alll for following the rules, and if I ride all the way into town doing so,these lazy farks can abide by the rules as well. Sure  I can put a motor on my bike, or ride my 900 cc BMW on the paths too, doesn't make it right. Don't make your own signs, and the law abiding people won't have to take action, not just make up rules as they go along.
2013-09-25 05:56:55 PM
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FTA : "We're doing something for the public good," said Keegan Stephan... "So I think it's O.K., even if it's illegal."

Keegan sounds Somalian.
2013-09-25 05:56:05 PM
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Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


They also like to ignore one-way streets.
2013-09-25 05:51:53 PM
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This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.
2013-09-25 05:50:05 PM
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violentsalvation: God that site really has something against spray-in foam insulation. You'd think tree huggers would want houses sealed up tight and efficient.


What fascinates me is that foamed glass has been around for almost a century. It's inert, light, easy to work with, fireproof and mildew resistant. I must be missing something.

It probably only worked with balloon frames or something. We gotta build cheap and fast.
2013-09-25 04:01:42 PM
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God that site really has something against spray-in foam insulation. You'd think tree huggers would want houses sealed up tight and efficient.
 
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