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(TreeHugger)   Attention bicyclists of New York City: Just because you think a street needs its own bike lane doesn't mean you get to take it upon yourself to paint a fake bike lane. "We're doing something for the public good"   (treehugger.com) divider line 244
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2013-09-25 07:16:57 PM

Calmamity: .. but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road.


The fun starts when cyclists use shared cycle/pedestrian footpaths. The sort of issues that car drivers rage about (and the cyclists act holier that thou over) surface again and its the cyclists turn to rage.

Ie, the cyclists that just caused a traffic jam riding 2 abreast (because they have a right to) then get stuck behind 2 pedestrians riding 2 abreast and they lose. the. farken. plot.

"Single file! Keep to the left!* Get out of the way! Your slowing us down!"

(I am not American)

It's hilarious.
 
2013-09-25 07:17:44 PM

Mimic_Octopus: Calmamity: I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation

REALLY ?!?!?!?!

do you know how much pollution is involved in the mining materials, drilling and refining petroleum, and manufacturing, shipping and advertising bicycles ? they are farking horrible. hemp sandals are the only  non-polluting transportationyou speak of.


Ahh finally... one of the guys who is also gonna clue us on on how CFLs are going to destroy the planet.

Do you have any feelings on vaccinations or global warming while you're on this moronic kick?
 
2013-09-25 07:19:31 PM
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It's got to be this guy. He's so edgy he takes his feet off the pedals of his pedicab. Although, I hear he's delivering Chinese food now...
 
2013-09-25 07:20:13 PM

firefly212: Mimic_Octopus: Calmamity: I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation

REALLY ?!?!?!?!

do you know how much pollution is involved in the mining materials, drilling and refining petroleum, and manufacturing, shipping and advertising bicycles ? they are farking horrible. hemp sandals are the only  non-polluting transportationyou speak of.

Ahh finally... one of the guys who is also gonna clue us on on how CFLs are going to destroy the planet.

Do you have any feelings on vaccinations or global warming while you're on this moronic kick?


Besides, hemp sandals? Farking elitist. What's wrong with your feet?
 
2013-09-25 07:21:03 PM
Luse
Let's take, what percentage of cars vs what percentage of bicyclists run reds. You'll find that it's a huge difference.

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2013-09-25 07:22:44 PM

firefly212: Mimic_Octopus: Calmamity: I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation

REALLY ?!?!?!?!

do you know how much pollution is involved in the mining materials, drilling and refining petroleum, and manufacturing, shipping and advertising bicycles ? they are farking horrible. hemp sandals are the only  non-polluting transportationyou speak of.

Ahh finally... one of the guys who is also gonna clue us on on how CFLs are going to destroy the planet.

Do you have any feelings on vaccinations or global warming while you're on this moronic kick?


you have no idea where metal or rubber come from do you ?  hint : not your garden
 
2013-09-25 07:23:49 PM

firefly212: Mimic_Octopus: Calmamity: I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation

REALLY ?!?!?!?!

do you know how much pollution is involved in the mining materials, drilling and refining petroleum, and manufacturing, shipping and advertising bicycles ? they are farking horrible. hemp sandals are the only  non-polluting transportationyou speak of.

Ahh finally... one of the guys who is also gonna clue us on on how CFLs are going to destroy the planet.

Do you have any feelings on vaccinations or global warming while you're on this moronic kick?


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-25 07:24:12 PM

The Voice of Doom: Luse
Let's take, what percentage of cars vs what percentage of bicyclists run reds. You'll find that it's a huge difference.

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I think that you may find the average bicyclist, motorcyclist and indeed, motorist is quite different in California then they are in Germany. But thanks for showing us how far you have to reach.
 
2013-09-25 07:25:45 PM
Luse

I think that you may find the average bicyclist, motorcyclist and indeed, motorist is quite different in California then they are in Germany. But thanks for showing us how far you have to reach


Huh?
 
2013-09-25 07:28:09 PM
"Don't ride like a douche" is a good mantra to observe, using common sense.I've had trouble with cars, climbing up hills with no shoulders, and cars trying to edge me off the road. Other times, I've gone down hills (with my GPS), hitting 62 mph, passing cars, finding out later it was a 30 mph zone. I've been mashed off the road by illegals, and had things thrown at me. Just be courteous, and give the benefit of the doubt to a possible assh*le.  I've even had soccer moms in minivans cut me off, I'm going 45 or so, and they cut right in front of you to make a turn.  Gotta pay attention all the time, It's not who's right, but who's left.
 
2013-09-25 07:28:23 PM
That painting should have either one of two things on it:
1. A bulls-eye
2. A generous scattering of tacks

/OK, maybe both
 
2013-09-25 07:30:05 PM
Your lovely chart is in German if I am not mistaken. It is hardly applicable to the U.S. never mind California. The cultures are quite different. Bicyclists here will gladly tell you that they run reds or stop signs because they believe they don't apply to them. Some people in this very thread have done that. This goes even further. http://sfist.com/2012/04/05/cyclist_who_struck_pedestrian_at_ca.php
People like that not only brag about it, blog about it, but then write a farking Ode to My Helmet after killing a man.
German stats don't apply to the US. Simple, ya?
 
2013-09-25 07:31:18 PM
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2013-09-25 07:31:35 PM

The Voice of Doom: Luse

I think that you may find the average bicyclist, motorcyclist and indeed, motorist is quite different in California then they are in Germany. But thanks for showing us how far you have to reach


Huh?


/Shh, It's because Austrians use words that sound German...Don't annoy the Californian that came from European stock.
 
2013-09-25 07:33:02 PM

Mimic_Octopus: firefly212: Mimic_Octopus: Calmamity: I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation

REALLY ?!?!?!?!

do you know how much pollution is involved in the mining materials, drilling and refining petroleum, and manufacturing, shipping and advertising bicycles ? they are farking horrible. hemp sandals are the only  non-polluting transportationyou speak of.

Ahh finally... one of the guys who is also gonna clue us on on how CFLs are going to destroy the planet.

Do you have any feelings on vaccinations or global warming while you're on this moronic kick?

you have no idea where metal or rubber come from do you ?  hint : not your garden


I live less than two miles from a mine... so pretty much ya, my garden.
 
2013-09-25 07:34:20 PM
Drivers aren't the problem.
Cyclists aren't the problem.
Arseholes are the problem. And it's a big problem.
 
2013-09-25 07:35:16 PM

Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned


So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Push off the ground with your left foot as you push forwards with your right and heave yourself into the bike seat.
4) Desperately try NOT to lose control of the bike as you grope for the pedal with your left foot (and miss a non-zero percentage of the time) while having no forwards motion and a significant weight shift.
5) Start pedaling and moving in a (slow) forward motion.
6) Repeat 10 seconds later at the next farking stopsign because CA is farking stupid.

This whole evolution takes about 10-20 seconds, adds significant risk of injury, is likely to convince the other cars at the all-way stopsign that they should go in front of you (thus risking additional injury when you take off in front of THEM because you finally found the pedal), freaks out the drivers behind you, makes no farking sense in stop-sign crazy California neighborhoods where walking is significantly faster than doing this bullshiat, and is just stupid.

Or you can stop to the point where you can barely control the bike (There ARE people who can keep the bike up when it's entirely stopped.  I am not one of them.  I can go just slow enough that I can take my place at the 4-way stop and wait until it's my turn to go), look left, look right, and go if there's no cars.  If there ARE cars, you should stop and do this evolution.

/Besides, they don't call it a California stop for nothing.  Maybe CA should invest in some yield signs and longer neighborhood roads so that you aren't stopping *brake* Every *brake* 50 *brake* feet *brake*.
 
2013-09-25 07:35:36 PM

ThisIsntMe: The Voice of Doom: Luse

I think that you may find the average bicyclist, motorcyclist and indeed, motorist is quite different in California then they are in Germany. But thanks for showing us how far you have to reach


Huh?

/Shh, It's because Austrians use words that sound German...Don't annoy the Californian that came from European stock.


Dear Sir. Firstly, my apologies about my inexcusable inability to differentiate Austrian from German.
I must however insist, that you cease and desist the slanderous name calling. I find accusations of me being a "Californian" deeply hurtful.

Sincerely,

Luse the "Never been Californian"
 
2013-09-25 07:40:37 PM

meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Push off the ...


I ride a motorcycle. I won't bore you with the details, but stops on those are also involved.
What you are asking for is special treatment. You demand the same rights as every other vehicle on the road, but make excuses for why you can't act like every other vehicle on the road.
If you cannot be on the road, and follow all of it's rules, you should either change your route, or your vehicle. Riding a bicycle is not some special right that waves your responsibility to the law. The "i'm a vehicle until it's inconvenient" thinking is what generates the hatred for bicycles.
I've got no issues with bikers like firefly2012 and I would stand beside him when he argues that he deserves a share of the road. I can't say the same for you.

He has MS and can still do the entire process, why can't you?
 
2013-09-25 07:41:18 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

You're on a bike? You're inches from farking death by choice. GROW THE fark UP AND ACT LIKE IT, ASSHOLES. Be cautious and respectful.

Bikes are mostly relegated to the sidewalk, as is appropriate since they aren't safe enough to ride on the roads with traffic.

Here's your sign
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In many cities, including New York City, it's illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk. And that law is seriously enforced.
 
2013-09-25 07:43:22 PM

Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.


Jury nullification, except by a group of bicyclists.

Im ok with this.
 
2013-09-25 07:49:41 PM
Well in some states tampering with a traffic control device is a FELONY. Have fun picking up the soap
 
2013-09-25 07:51:17 PM

Luse: meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Pus ...


I must be some kind of savant bicycle rider because stopping a bike has never been the time consuming, self mutilating experience you describe.
 
2013-09-25 07:54:03 PM
Sadly, this is one of the least adversarial and insane things I've heard from biking activists in a while.
 
2013-09-25 07:55:49 PM

Gerrok: Luse: meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
...

Well, truth be told, neither have I. I do own a bike, 2 in fact, one for the Missus. We go ride on the trails maybe 5 times a year. I must admit, other than an embarrassing amount of sweat I've never suffered a major injury such as shattered balls or tenderized shins. Perhaps, being a n00b I'm doing it wrong?
 
2013-09-25 07:59:05 PM

I alone am best: ZeroPly: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

I know a few people who've biked in Tokyo, and it's safe precisely because the bicycling rules are NOT enforced. Police turn a blind eye to two people on a bike, cruising through stops, etc. At the same time, they've come up with unwritten societal rules to keep it safe, so if you're weaving around with a BAC of 0.15, yeah, you'll probably be in trouble.

Americans can't stare down the road unless there are lines carefully painted for them. When they go to other countries where for example, there are no center lines painted, they lose their f*cking minds and can't imagine how a few thousand people a day aren't dying in wrong way crashes. A lot of this is using some common sense and thinking on your feet, which apparently American drivers are incapable of.

Your post is filled with bullshiat.


Japans insurance rules are different than ours.  In a nutshell, the bigger vehicle always takes more liability in and accident.  Regardless of how in the wrong a cyclist is, they will always "win" in an accident as the larger vehicle is taxed with the responsibility of "caring" for the smaller vehicles he shares the road with.  I was involve in an accident a few years back in which I broadsided a driver running a stop sign.  Despite a confession from the driver that they had run the sign, the insurance determination was that my insurance pay 20% damage costs for their totaled vehicle, whereas they were to pay 80% of the $800 in damages to my car.  I was driving a 33 plate- larger than 2.4 liter engine-- whereas their car was a yellow plate (less than 500cc) so being the larger of the 2 vehicles, I would start at a minimal of 20% responsibility regardless of who was to blame.

Japanese drivers live in terror of involving a motorcycle, bike, or pedestrian in an accident as it is a battle they are predestined to lose.  Bike riders know this and tend to be pretty reckless when hitting the streets.

Accidents do occur there quite frequently as driving home either on bike or in a car drunk is a common occurrence born more often than not within the workplace culture.  When the boss say drink, you drink.  but that's another tale for another day
 
2013-09-25 08:06:43 PM

Luse: ThisIsntMe: The Voice of Doom: Luse

I think that you may find the average bicyclist, motorcyclist and indeed, motorist is quite different in California then they are in Germany. But thanks for showing us how far you have to reach


Huh?

/Shh, It's because Austrians use words that sound German...Don't annoy the Californian that came from European stock.

Dear Sir. Firstly, my apologies about my inexcusable inability to differentiate Austrian from German.
I must however insist, that you cease and desist the slanderous name calling. I find accusations of me being a "Californian" deeply hurtful.

Sincerely,

Luse the "Never been Californian"


I, as a matter of gentility do say that I apologize. My inference of Californian was based upon your statement that drew California cycle law into a discussion about an article based in NY and defended by an Austrian . Nevertheless, please accept my full apology, I was in the wrong. If there is aught I can do to mend these ties please let me know.

THIS  "Just THIS"
 
2013-09-25 08:08:44 PM

doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

You're on a bike? You're inches from farking death by choice. GROW THE fark UP AND ACT LIKE IT, ASSHOLES. Be cautious and respectful.


I get in fights with cyclists all the time. Probably because I pick them, but that's beside the point.

People ride all over the sidewalk even though you're really not supposed to. Then they have the audacity to ring their farking bell at you. It infuriates me. That crackdown on cyclists in Osaka the other day gave me the most awesomest boner.

Anyways, riding on the sidewalk and a cultural aversion to personal conflict, is why they have fewer cyclist/driver spats.
 
2013-09-25 08:12:02 PM
I love the biker response of "Well, cars go through stop lights and red lights too!". Yep, and those guys are a-holes, just like the cyclists that do it. I would think that aside from trying to abide by the rules, most cyclist would know they are pretty exposed...even if they have their own bike lane...and would do everything they could to avoid getting into a bad situation.
 
2013-09-25 08:16:11 PM

ThisIsntMe: Luse: ThisIsntMe: The Voice of Doom: Luse

I think that you may find the average bicyclist, motorcyclist and indeed, motorist is quite different in California then they are in Germany. But thanks for showing us how far you have to reach


Huh?

/Shh, It's because Austrians use words that sound German...Don't annoy the Californian that came from European stock.

Dear Sir. Firstly, my apologies about my inexcusable inability to differentiate Austrian from German.
I must however insist, that you cease and desist the slanderous name calling. I find accusations of me being a "Californian" deeply hurtful.

Sincerely,

Luse the "Never been Californian"

I, as a matter of gentility do say that I apologize. My inference of Californian was based upon your statement that drew California cycle law into a discussion about an article based in NY and defended by an Austrian . Nevertheless, please accept my full apology, I was in the wrong. If there is aught I can do to mend these ties please let me know.

THIS  "Just THIS"


We have no quarrel Sir.
Perhaps my mind that confused Austrian for German similarly confused New York for California. You must admit, New York has had a drastic change in it's "sensibilities". Where once it was the symbol of freedom and finally having made it, now it is illegal to sell a beverage that comes in too big a container.
Also in my defense, the "entitled biker" seems to be an American breed that defies localization. It appears to be more partial to large population densities, rather than a particular region of the country.
 
2013-09-25 08:16:22 PM

hailin: I almost hit a cyclist the other day. I was at a stop light going to turn right. I didn't pass a cyclist on the way to the stop light, so they must have turned onto the road after I passed. They came up on my right side as I made my turn as the light turned green. They flipped me off and yelled at me. I still feel bad, but honestly never even thought about checking over my right shoulder making a right turn. I sure will from now on, but I wonder whose fault it would have been if an accident had happened.


Now maybe people can understand why us asshole bikers ride in the middle of the lane.

CSB:
Portland, june, 6pm crusing down Stark about 30mph.
An old lady passes me and turns right in front of me. If weren't a very alert and capable rider I would have been crushed. I slammed her door as a reminder to her to look for bicycles. I was riding a one-of-kind chopper bicycle that is so hard to miss I would contend it was impossible for the driver to not have seen me as she passed me with 20 feet to the corner. thank goodness for hydrolic disc brakes or I would have had no chance of stopping in time. 10 inch rotors FTW!  My front wheel was about 3 inches from hitting her front tire. I was more worried about the bike getting broken than getting hurt.
 
2013-09-25 08:16:56 PM

firefly212: With the exception of speeding and the one time I got the ticket for riding on the sidewalk (empty sidewalk, crazy busy road), I've not ever broken a traffic law... I'm a total asshole, but I don't race out in front of cars, bust red lights, or do that other stuff because in the battle of 3000lb car v. 150lb me, I am not on the happy end of that physics computation. I know there are some bicyclists who are douchebags, but why stereotype all of them when we know that isn't true... it is a terribly spurious and disingenuous accusation and style of debate to attribute one negative feature to all people who engage in a particular sport or activity.


Stereotypes - where a small percentage of people ruin it for the rest of us. Look at Arabs, just because a few jackasses did some bad things on 9/11 now every time I speak hebrew or hungarian I have half a room looking at me like i'm Al Qaeda or Al Cracka.
Stereotypes will never go away, cyclist are always assholes no matter if they are green, vegan or not :)

Tree hugging cyclist can rot in hell too!
 
2013-09-25 08:19:24 PM

ActionJoe: I love the biker response of "Well, cars go through stop lights and red lights too!". Yep, and those guys are a-holes, just like the cyclists that do it. I would think that aside from trying to abide by the rules, most cyclist would know they are pretty exposed...even if they have their own bike lane...and would do everything they could to avoid getting into a bad situation.


That's what confuses me most about the whole thing. As mentioned, I ride a motorcycle. I feel pretty farking exposed every time I'm out there. The old adage, "It's not who's right, it's who's left." rings incredibly true. Now on my bike, I've got about 55 horsepower that can help me GTFO should I need to. On a bicycle you've got your chicken legs yet you act like you're in an invincibility bubble.

Proof positive that complete self delusion is not only a Republican disease.
 
2013-09-25 08:20:28 PM
I very rarely see a cyclist stop at a stop sign, stop light, Red Hand, or basically follow any vehicle law ever.

We live in a resort town.  Idiots are all over the place.  We are far too kind to bicycles.  If you want to go ride your little bicycle, hop on the sidewalk or go to the dog park.  Some of us actually work for a living.

And I say that because you guys take the busy main streets.  Maybe you could take the side streets?  Sorry if no one will see you riding around on your bicycle but.. it doesn't make you famous.  Really.
 
2013-09-25 08:21:30 PM

meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Push off the ...


What the hell is wrong with you?

If you can't touch the ground with BOTH feet on tiptoes, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, your seat is set WAY too high.  If you can't put BOTH feet flat on the ground, you're at least a little too high.

And if you're bouncing pedals off of your shin to start, you're a complete idiot.
 
2013-09-25 08:22:50 PM

TomD9938: FTA : "We're doing something for the public good," said Keegan Stephan... "So I think it's O.K., even if it's illegal."

Keegan sounds Somalian.



encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-09-25 08:24:05 PM

ZzeusS: We live in a resort town.  Idiots are all over the place.


We live in America - where assholes are everywhere. Fixed it for ya
 
2013-09-25 08:29:10 PM
I drive to work on a road that is very popular with cyclists, and have never had an issue with them. They all seem to stop at the stop lights, they stay in the bike lanes, and they seem genuinely courtious. I have, at other times, seen cyclists who run a stop sign or don't pay attention, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
 
2013-09-25 08:30:51 PM

meyerkev: Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned

So the problem with stopping is that Stopping is a multi-step process.

1) Come to a mostly complete stop.  Your right foot should be slightly in front of the bottom of the rotation.
2) As you finish coming to a complete stop, dismount from the bike by slipping off the front of your seat and planting your left foot against the ground.  If you do this WRONG, expect to get a crotch full of middle bar or fall off the bike since you should be AT LEAST 6 inches off the ground when sitting on your bike seat.  If you can be on the bike seat AND touch the ground with your tiptoes, you're doing it wrong.
2a) There are also creepy people who are probably aliens who dismount by swinging over the back of the bike while it's in motion and standing on one pedal until it stops.  I've tried this and never been able to pull it off (because I'm not that flexible and I have bike racks with baskets which I ram with my foot).
3) If you're going straight or right, you're on the right side of the lane.  If you're going left, you're in the left third of the lane.
4) God forbid you have to make a left turn because you just got rear-ended by the car behind you which wasn't expecting you to stop.   In fact, god forbid you have to make any turn because you are LEGALLY REQUIRED to be signalling this entire time which means that you only have one hand and one brake.

Now that you're stopped, to start again:
1) Kick your pedals backwards until they bounce off your right shin.  This will probably cause significant numbers of open sores since the little prongs on your pedal WILL pierce the skin.
2) Put your right foot on the pedal
3) Push off the ...


In almost 20 years of cycling in London I never once experienced a stop like the one you describe. Are you using some sort of racing bike on congested roads with stop signs and traffic lights instead of on the unobstructed track it was designed for? If so you've chosen a shiat tool for the task at hand.
 
2013-09-25 08:33:52 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.

Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.


Logically, bicycles should have the right of way. They're greener, healthier, and cheaper.
 
2013-09-25 08:35:46 PM

Token Anarchist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.

Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.

Logically, bicycles should have the right of way. They're greener, healthier, and cheaper.


Your reasons are not logical at all. Your reasons that bikes should have the right of way are purely emotional.
 
2013-09-25 08:36:30 PM
We have no quarrel Sir.
Perhaps my mind that confused Austrian for German similarly confused New York for California. You must admit, New York has had a drastic change in it's "sensibilities". Where once it was the symbol of freedom and finally having made it, now it is illegal to sell a beverage that comes in too big a container.
Also in my defense, the "entitled biker" seems to be an American breed that defies localization. It appears to be more partial to large population densities, rather than a particular region of the country.



I find your elucidation of the current state of the once heartfelt "NY NY" to be quite sound. And I also agree that the American breed "entitled biker' is in fact not a localized character. I have encountered the beast in the wild in not only Manhattan but Atlanta and even Washington D.C. It does seem silly to belittle a group that settles on the fringes of Human Society. So I will simply say that they appear to be pedestrians.
 
2013-09-25 08:38:14 PM

Token Anarchist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.

Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.

Logically, bicycles should have the right of way. They're greener, healthier, and cheaper.


You can have it as soon as we transfer all of the taxes and fees that pay for the roads from motor vehicles onto your bicycle. You get what you pay for.
I on the other hand will take the extra money and extend my vacation by a week.
 
2013-09-25 08:38:26 PM

Gerrok: I must be some kind of savant bicycle rider because stopping a bike has never been the time consuming, self mutilating experience you describe.


Well, there's 2 things.

1) You know how the crazy bikers say that if you really want to get power, you should be able to fully extend your leg.  And as a side effect, this means that you can't touch the ground without leaning WAY over (and thus out of the bike lane).

They're totally right.  I raised my bike seat height 2 inches, and cut 15-20 minutes off my 70 minute ride home from work.  And since my bike ride home is about 60% neighborhood w/o stop signs or bike trail, that's worth doing even when it means that a stop is a dismount (since I can go 30 minutes from Cal Ave to Mountain View and only need to stop three times).

The flip side is that coming to a complete stop (vs. coming to a 99% complete stop where the bike has almost no to no forward motion while you make sure that no one is coming or wait for the intersection to clear at an all-way stop) is the same thing as doing a complete and total dismount with heaving and middle-bar-into-crotching as described.  The exception is if you can use the curb to place your foot on (which you can't, because of street parking.  I suppose I could brace on their cars, but the last time I did that, I broke a couple of ribs).

When I know that I'm going to be doing significant road biking with lots of stop signs/lights (vs. trail biking, where you almost never, ever, ever have to come to a  complete halt), I drop the bike seat back to that spot.

2) So I switched from really shiatty plastic pedals to much nicer metal pedals that don't crack when you apply pressure to them.  Before that happened, I got in the habit of using my shin to stop the pedals when I was getting them in "launch position" (just forwards of the highest point).  The new pedals happened to have little prongs to hold your foot in place.

So now every time I use my shin to stop the pedals (and it's the fastest way BY FAR to get the pedals up to the correct spot so I still do it when time is sensitive because I'm at a 4-way stop and it's clear or the light turned green just as I stopped at it (which happens depressingly often)), the prongs proceed to slam into my shin at high speed and cut it up.

And let's be clear:

Stop Light: Stop. Wait for light to turn green.
Not All-way stop sign: Stop.
All-way stop sign with cars at it: Stop.
All-way stop sign without cars at it: Yield (Brake HARD, look all ways while wobbling, stop (full dismount)  if necessary. AKA an Idaho-style stop).  There's a difference between "Yield" and "Blow through screaming".
 
2013-09-25 08:43:15 PM

ThisIsntMe: StopLurkListen: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, marked bike detector, but about 10% of the time they don't work, either. After a dozen or more of these traffic signalized intersections designed for cars, cyclists tend to slow, look, and go when they think it's safe.

So use the cross-walk love. It's for pedestrians. But get off your bike in the cross-walk. Because it's for pedestrians.


Same rule applies for when you need to get off the street to let traffic pass.
 
2013-09-25 08:47:03 PM

meyerkev: Gerrok: I must be some kind of savant bicycle rider because stopping a bike has never been the time consuming, self mutilating experience you describe.

Well, there's 2 things.

1) You know how the crazy bikers say that if you really want to get power, you should be able to fully extend your leg.  And as a side effect, this means that you can't touch the ground without leaning WAY over (and thus out of the bike lane).

They're totally right.  I raised my bike seat height 2 inches, and cut 15-20 minutes off my 70 minute ride home from work.  And since my bike ride home is about 60% neighborhood w/o stop signs or bike trail, that's worth doing even when it means that a stop is a dismount (since I can go 30 minutes from Cal Ave to Mountain View and only need to stop three times).

The flip side is that coming to a complete stop (vs. coming to a 99% complete stop where the bike has almost no to no forward motion while you make sure that no one is coming or wait for the intersection to clear at an all-way stop) is the same thing as doing a complete and total dismount with heaving and middle-bar-into-crotching as described.  The exception is if you can use the curb to place your foot on (which you can't, because of street parking.  I suppose I could brace on their cars, but the last time I did that, I broke a couple of ribs).

When I know that I'm going to be doing significant road biking with lots of stop signs/lights (vs. trail biking, where you almost never, ever, ever have to come to a  complete halt), I drop the bike seat back to that spot.

2) So I switched from really shiatty plastic pedals to much nicer metal pedals that don't crack when you apply pressure to them.  Before that happened, I got in the habit of using my shin to stop the pedals when I was getting them in "launch position" (just forwards of the highest point).  The new pedals happened to have little prongs to hold your foot in place.

So now every time I use my shin to stop the pedals (and it's the fa ...


Sorry Lance, but aren't you the guy that came into the thread saying, "and a top speed of 10-15 MPH.  (There are people who go faster, but if you're doing that on a road where you're continuously required to stop, you're a) in WAY better shape than me "?

I'm no fancy bicycle rider, and I don't have a fancy bicycle, I paid 50 bucks for it on Craigslist. I do better than those speeds, don't break my balls or my ribs, don't rake my shins, and I ride all of 5 farking times a year. Just because you are either riding some douchetastic fixed gear race bike or are a complete idiot does not mean we will change how traffic flows. You sir, are an idiot. Darwin has a cure.
 
2013-09-25 08:50:34 PM
fark cyclists.  I used to have a much more congenial attitude, but as it turns out, you guys are almost 100% assholes and hypocrites, so now I don't even try and be nice about it.

Let me paint you a picture, My car has 400hp and weights 4,300lbs.  You will die if you get in my way.

Ride safe.
 
2013-09-25 08:51:20 PM

meyerkev: Gerrok: I must be some kind of savant bicycle rider because stopping a bike has never been the time consuming, self mutilating experience you describe.

Well, there's 2 things.

1) You know how the crazy bikers say that if you really want to get power, you should be able to fully extend your leg.  And as a side effect, this means that you can't touch the ground without leaning WAY over (and thus out of the bike lane).

They're totally right.  I raised my bike seat height 2 inches, and cut 15-20 minutes off my 70 minute ride home from work.  And since my bike ride home is about 60% neighborhood w/o stop signs or bike trail, that's worth doing even when it means that a stop is a dismount (since I can go 30 minutes from Cal Ave to Mountain View and only need to stop three times).

The flip side is that coming to a complete stop (vs. coming to a 99% complete stop where the bike has almost no to no forward motion while you make sure that no one is coming or wait for the intersection to clear at an all-way stop) is the same thing as doing a complete and total dismount with heaving and middle-bar-into-crotching as described.  The exception is if you can use the curb to place your foot on (which you can't, because of street parking.  I suppose I could brace on their cars, but the last time I did that, I broke a couple of ribs).

When I know that I'm going to be doing significant road biking with lots of stop signs/lights (vs. trail biking, where you almost never, ever, ever have to come to a  complete halt), I drop the bike seat back to that spot.

2) So I switched from really shiatty plastic pedals to much nicer metal pedals that don't crack when you apply pressure to them.  Before that happened, I got in the habit of using my shin to stop the pedals when I was getting them in "launch position" (just forwards of the highest point).  The new pedals happened to have little prongs to hold your foot in place.

So now every time I use my shin to stop the pedals (and it's the fa ...


you need to get yourself a set of toe clips. i don't even use the strap and they still work. makes it easier to get the pedal rotated back up and you also generate more momentum because you're lifting the pedals with your legs as well as pushing down.

www.bywayofbicycle.com
 
2013-09-25 08:51:21 PM

Likwit: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

You're on a bike? You're inches from farking death by choice. GROW THE fark UP AND ACT LIKE IT, ASSHOLES. Be cautious and respectful.

I get in fights with cyclists all the time. Probably because I pick them, but that's beside the point.

People ride all over the sidewalk even though you're really not supposed to. Then they have the audacity to ring their farking bell at you. It infuriates me. That crackdown on cyclists in Osaka the other day gave me the most awesomest boner.

Anyways, riding on the sidewalk and a cultural aversion to personal conflict, is why they have fewer cyclist/driver spats.


In many states bicycles are perfectly legal (and often preferred) on the sidewalk. In Michigan anything classified as a bicycle is legally allowed to ride the sidewalk as long as they grant right-of-way to pedestrians. Likewise, the bikes get right-of-way versus cars at crosswalks when the light's on their side or when it's a stop sign for the car.

Certain towns may have ordinances to forbid bikes on sidewalks in areas of high foot traffic (downtown areas, mainly) but in many states it's LEGAL, so people can stop grumping about it.
 
2013-09-25 08:53:37 PM

BadReligion: Token Anarchist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.

Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.

Logically, bicycles should have the right of way. They're greener, healthier, and cheaper.

Your reasons are not logical at all. Your reasons that bikes should have the right of way are purely emotional.


Yeah, this. There's nothing logical about basing transportation engineering on fashionable political values. A bicycle being "greener" literally has no bearing on rights of way.
 
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