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(TreeHugger)   Attention bicyclists of New York City: Just because you think a street needs its own bike lane doesn't mean you get to take it upon yourself to paint a fake bike lane. "We're doing something for the public good"   (treehugger.com) divider line 244
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2013-09-25 06:27:37 PM  

serial_crusher: What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


Perhaps it is because you dont want motorists questioning whether a given bike lane sign is actually legitimate
 
2013-09-25 06:29:31 PM  
"We're doing something for the public good," said Keegan Stephan, one of the founders of the group, called Right of Way. "So I think it's O.K., even if it's illegal."

So, it's illegal, but KEE-F*CKING-gan says he wants to do it anyway, so it's legal.

If I posted that pic of the car smashing through a crowd of bicyclists (again), the Fark mods will get a load of butthurt (again) and suspend me (again).

So, just Google Image up "car smashing through bicyclists" and see it for yourself they type of response I'd give to snotty little sh*ts like Keegan Stephan.
 
2013-09-25 06:31:49 PM  

Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.


I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, marked bike detector, but about 10% of the time they don't work, either. After a dozen or more of these traffic signalized intersections designed for cars, cyclists tend to slow, look, and go when they think it's safe.
 
2013-09-25 06:32:30 PM  
Love the cager rage in this thread.

No matter what inconvenience a cyclist or pedestrian are to a motor vehicle a little right pedal action quickly gets your ass going again.

/cagers can deal with it
//digital sunglasses.gif
 
2013-09-25 06:34:09 PM  
This thread is yet another example of why we need to ban cars all together. They clearly have the magical power to turn everyone inside of them into raging assholes.
 
2013-09-25 06:34:13 PM  
While I am pretty much fed up with most cyclists (videthe TFD thread the other night of bike assholes riding at night w/o lights and in dark clothing) , this news story reminds me of another one, a while back.  NYC Hasidic extremists got all upset about cyclists biking through their neighborhood in "immodest" clothing, so they painted out the bike lanes.  

Both need to just STFU and knock it off.
 
2013-09-25 06:34:51 PM  

doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

You're on a bike? You're inches from farking death by choice. GROW THE fark UP AND ACT LIKE IT, ASSHOLES. Be cautious and respectful.


Bikes are mostly relegated to the sidewalk, as is appropriate since they aren't safe enough to ride on the roads with traffic.

Here's your sign
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-25 06:35:25 PM  

theorellior: It's the law. You want cyclists to stop at stop signs and obey traffic laws and be good upstanding citizens, then you get to follow the same rules. If bikes are treated exactly the same as internal-combustion powered automobiles in the eyes of the law, then you just sit back on your ass while the bike take up the entire lane as the law entitles it to, going just as fast as the cyclist can go. So blow it out your ass.


There are minimum speed limit and obstruction of traffic laws too, so yes, let's treat cyclists the same.
 
2013-09-25 06:35:44 PM  

serial_crusher: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.

What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


Is this taking place in a magical fairy world where bikes obey traffic laws instead of randomly careening into traffic?

Also -- because guerrilla lanes may not be conforming to standards for width and vehicle clearance.
 
2013-09-25 06:37:05 PM  

I alone am best: ZeroPly: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

I know a few people who've biked in Tokyo, and it's safe precisely because the bicycling rules are NOT enforced. Police turn a blind eye to two people on a bike, cruising through stops, etc. At the same time, they've come up with unwritten societal rules to keep it safe, so if you're weaving around with a BAC of 0.15, yeah, you'll probably be in trouble.

Americans can't stare down the road unless there are lines carefully painted for them. When they go to other countries where for example, there are no center lines painted, they lose their f*cking minds and can't imagine how a few thousand people a day aren't dying in wrong way crashes. A lot of this is using some common sense and thinking on your feet, which apparently American drivers are incapable of.

Your post is filled with bullshiat.


You are an inarticulate cretin.
 
2013-09-25 06:37:29 PM  
I ride a bike to/from work when the shuttles aren't running. I have MS, and spasms, and my neurologist says I shouldn't have a drivers license... so that just kind of is what it is. I don't blow through red lights, and I try to ride in the shoulder (when available) because much like you don't want me in the road, I'd much rather not be in the road. That said, where there's no sidewalk, and I have to ride in the road, drivers are total dickbags to me (out of state ones anyways, CO drivers seem pretty used to it around here). I was riding up a hill on the road to my house, it has no sidewalks, no centerline, and no shoulders, but is a pretty wide road. I was about a foot from the guard rail, and there was plenty of space to pass me... but this total twatrocket from texas in a big SUV felt the need to creep up the hill behind me, laying on the horn for about 5 minutes straight, before realizing, at probably the narrowest part of the road, that she had the option of just driving right on by.

I know nobody on fark actually reads the csbs, but with all the bicyclist hate out there, I though the thread kind of lacked any balance.
 
2013-09-25 06:38:23 PM  

waterrockets: Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."

Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red. There are asshole cyclists, and there are asshole drivers. Similar percentage of each.


Not even close.

I've never seen a car in Philly blow a light by more than 3 seconds (not counting cops...).

I see that three times daily on my walk to/from the train, each way. I also enjoy diving out of the way of bikes going the wrong way down one-way streets, or using the sidewalks as a local lane. fark bikers. Even the insane panhandlers are more law-abiding.
 
2013-09-25 06:38:47 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

You're on a bike? You're inches from farking death by choice. GROW THE fark UP AND ACT LIKE IT, ASSHOLES. Be cautious and respectful.

Bikes are mostly relegated to the sidewalk, as is appropriate since they aren't safe enough to ride on the roads with traffic.

Here's your sign
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Depends on where you are... here, you get a ticket if you ride on the sidewalks (I got one before b/c I didn't want to ride my bike on a busy road, and the sidewalk was empty).
 
2013-09-25 06:40:22 PM  

Ecdysozoa: Love the cager rage in this thread.

No matter what inconvenience a cyclist or pedestrian are to a motor vehicle a little right pedal action quickly gets your ass going again.

/cagers can deal with it
//digital sunglasses.gif


lol.....frustrated and impotent faux bicyclist-type typing detected

/loosen your shorts
//don't stamp your little feet if you are wearing your cleats+
 
2013-09-25 06:40:28 PM  
There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.
 
2013-09-25 06:40:32 PM  

Ecdysozoa: Love the cager rage in this thread.

No matter what inconvenience a cyclist or pedestrian are to a motor vehicle a little right pedal action quickly gets your ass going again.

/cagers can deal with it
//digital sunglasses.gif


What does basketball have to do with this?
 
2013-09-25 06:41:20 PM  
While back some cyclist decided to get hit by a car, around my area they painted a bike path, it didn't take a year later before some cyclist who again decides not to follow the laws of the road - get t-boned by a motorcycle - another group of people with their "WATCH OUT FOR MOTORCYCLE!" stickers everywhere.

Cyclist got farked up bad and the motorcyclist had no helmet, what I don't understand is why cyclist want to be assholes? They expect cars to stop just because they have no protection - but they ignore all laws concerning the road because they believe they own it.

/agree with the guy up top, why do they constantly ride in the middle of a ROAD when there is a sidewalk especially when traffic is around?
//I bike and ride a motorcycle, maybe im a triple asshole on top of being a racist arab, then again my motorcycle is for quiet back roads on a sunday and biking is for cross country not near roads - frankly I want to preserve my life especially around cars where people text all the time
 
2013-09-25 06:41:30 PM  

Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.


I already can't get a farking drivers license b/c of my MS, now you want to take my bike away too? How am I supposed to get to work? Teleportation...
 
2013-09-25 06:43:59 PM  

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


Most states have laws that say all vehicles (including bicycles) have to maintain at least a constant speed w/in 15 mph of the stated speed limit if conditions allow.  NYC surface streets, the speed limit is 30 mph unless otherwise posted, so, it shouldn't be too hard to stay above 15 mph (although usually City traffic usually hovers around 15mph), that said, I always ride to the extreme side of the street if there isn't a bike lane.  Also, I get in shouting matches w/ asshole cyclists who don't follow the laws every time I ride.
 
2013-09-25 06:44:01 PM  

firefly212: Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.

I already can't get a farking drivers license b/c of my MS, now you want to take my bike away too? How am I supposed to get to work? Teleportation...


Would you still object if the Driver's License requirement was amended or waved but you still were held responsible for the other parts. Lane sharing, running reds, having to pull over if more than 5 cars are following you etc.?
 
2013-09-25 06:44:29 PM  
As someone who routinely rides a bike around midtown NYC, I'm really getting a kick out of all this bike hate.  Most drivers are respectful to bikes, and most bicyclists are respectful to drivers.  And most bike lanes are  shared lanes.  When I signed up for Citibike, I got a pamphlet in the mail with all of the NYC bike riding laws.  I'm positive 95% of the drivers don't know these rules, so I stopped getting pissy when most drivers ignore them.  I also happily treat red lights like stop signs.

/Citibike is awesome
/Some cabbies really really suck
 
2013-09-25 06:44:59 PM  

Misconduc: While back some cyclist decided to get hit by a car, around my area they painted a bike path, it didn't take a year later before some cyclist who again decides not to follow the laws of the road - get t-boned by a motorcycle - another group of people with their "WATCH OUT FOR MOTORCYCLE!" stickers everywhere.

Cyclist got farked up bad and the motorcyclist had no helmet, what I don't understand is why cyclist want to be assholes? They expect cars to stop just because they have no protection - but they ignore all laws concerning the road because they believe they own it.

/agree with the guy up top, why do they constantly ride in the middle of a ROAD when there is a sidewalk especially when traffic is around?
//I bike and ride a motorcycle, maybe im a triple asshole on top of being a racist arab, then again my motorcycle is for quiet back roads on a sunday and biking is for cross country not near roads - frankly I want to preserve my life especially around cars where people text all the time


With the exception of speeding and the one time I got the ticket for riding on the sidewalk (empty sidewalk, crazy busy road), I've not ever broken a traffic law... I'm a total asshole, but I don't race out in front of cars, bust red lights, or do that other stuff because in the battle of 3000lb car v. 150lb me, I am not on the happy end of that physics computation. I know there are some bicyclists who are douchebags, but why stereotype all of them when we know that isn't true... it is a terribly spurious and disingenuous accusation and style of debate to attribute one negative feature to all people who engage in a particular sport or activity.
 
2013-09-25 06:46:07 PM  

Luse: firefly212: Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.

I already can't get a farking drivers license b/c of my MS, now you want to take my bike away too? How am I supposed to get to work? Teleportation...

Would you still object if the Driver's License requirement was amended or waved but you still were held responsible for the other parts. Lane sharing, running reds, having to pull over if more than 5 cars are following you etc.?


I'm cool with most of that, but on some of these mtn roads, there isn't exactly a "pull over" option unless you want to fall a few hundred feet.

/much of the state also doesn't believe in guardrails.
 
2013-09-25 06:47:36 PM  

Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.


This.  I can't tell you how many times I've nearly been hit by a bicycle that refused to slow down for pedestrians in a crosswalk.
 
2013-09-25 06:48:03 PM  
Cabby drives on sidewalk, crushing womans foot and forcing amputation.

Fark response: Stupid Bikers!
 
2013-09-25 06:48:59 PM  

firefly212: Misconduc: While back some cyclist decided to get hit by a car, around my area they painted a bike path, it didn't take a year later before some cyclist who again decides not to follow the laws of the road - get t-boned by a motorcycle - another group of people with their "WATCH OUT FOR MOTORCYCLE!" stickers everywhere.

Cyclist got farked up bad and the motorcyclist had no helmet, what I don't understand is why cyclist want to be assholes? They expect cars to stop just because they have no protection - but they ignore all laws concerning the road because they believe they own it.

/agree with the guy up top, why do they constantly ride in the middle of a ROAD when there is a sidewalk especially when traffic is around?
//I bike and ride a motorcycle, maybe im a triple asshole on top of being a racist arab, then again my motorcycle is for quiet back roads on a sunday and biking is for cross country not near roads - frankly I want to preserve my life especially around cars where people text all the time

With the exception of speeding and the one time I got the ticket for riding on the sidewalk (empty sidewalk, crazy busy road), I've not ever broken a traffic law... I'm a total asshole, but I don't race out in front of cars, bust red lights, or do that other stuff because in the battle of 3000lb car v. 150lb me, I am not on the happy end of that physics computation. I know there are some bicyclists who are douchebags, but why stereotype all of them when we know that isn't true... it is a terribly spurious and disingenuous accusation and style of debate to attribute one negative feature to all people who engage in a particular sport or activity.


As both a "cager" and a motorcycle rider, I agree. In a confrontation between me on my bike, and a minivan, it doesn't really matter who is right, I'll be the dead right guy.
Also, I accused noone of anything. I merely propose a simple solution to a hotly debated topic. Do you treat a bicyclist as a car or as a pedestrian. I say, neither, treat them as a motorcycle.
The MS is a valid concern so I'd go as far as to downgrade it and say treat them the same as a scooter. You have to obey all of the rules of the road if you are to share it, that is all.
 
2013-09-25 06:49:12 PM  

The_Sponge: Inside a bicyclist's head:

"I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian......."


Which is still better than most car driver's heads:

"What do I have to do after work today, oh that's right I'm meeting sarah for drinks, got she is such a biatch I can't believe she is cheating on john, oh look at marasha's text message I can't believe she sent me that. I'll just quickly responded"... *thump* "oh my god that cyclist came out of no where!!!!"
 
2013-09-25 06:49:29 PM  

Beeblebrox: Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.

This.  I can't tell you how many times I've nearly been hit by a bicycle that refused to slow down for pedestrians in a crosswalk.


That's freakin awful! I've never hit a pedestrian, and if I'm in a place where I know there's likely to be kids darting out in front of me, I just get off my bike and walk it. They should get ticketed or fined or something when they do stupid crap like that.
 
2013-09-25 06:51:00 PM  

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


Well, going on the sidewalk is a significant ticket, and pedestrians are even bigger idiots than cyclists when they're on the sidewalk, which makes that an accident waiting to happen.  So we're legally required to be in the road (though there are some roads where I say "FARK THAT") and legally allowed to take the entire lane, since for functional legal purposes, we are a car that happens to have no blinkers, and a top speed of 10-15 MPH.  (There are people who go faster, but if you're doing that on a road where you're continuously required to stop, you're a) in WAY better shape than me since I can't routinely hit that speed over and over and over again from a dead stop and b) a farking idiot because you CANNOT stop quickly enough on a yellow light without flipping over the handlebars.  Save it for the trail)

But yes, the red light problem IS a problem.  Farking stop, you idiots.  If it's a stop sign, I'm cool with treating it as a yield (I do it too.  Slow down, look left, look right, go if there are no cars, spend a few seconds stopping and dismounting (since you can't reach the ground from the bike seat) otherwise), but if they have a stoplight, FARKING STOP.  That means that there are TONS of cars about to come rolling through and you WILL DIE.
 
2013-09-25 06:51:29 PM  

firefly212: Luse: firefly212: Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.

I already can't get a farking drivers license b/c of my MS, now you want to take my bike away too? How am I supposed to get to work? Teleportation...

Would you still object if the Driver's License requirement was amended or waved but you still were held responsible for the other parts. Lane sharing, running reds, having to pull over if more than 5 cars are following you etc.?

I'm cool with most of that, but on some of these mtn roads, there isn't exactly a "pull over" option unless you want to fall a few hundred feet.

/much of the state also doesn't believe in guardrails.


Most states with the pull over requirement have designated spots designed for just that. Unfortunately they get used about as frequently as turn signals.
 
2013-09-25 06:51:48 PM  
Coming to a DIY bike lane near you!!
www.everymantri.com
 
2013-09-25 06:52:38 PM  

FatherChaos: Cyclist philosophy:

"I use a green form of transportation.  This makes me better than you filthy scumbags.  I deserve special treatment."


I've actually come across cyclists who say that, openly.
 
2013-09-25 06:55:41 PM  
Beeblebrox:This.  I can't tell you how many times I've nearly been hit by a bicycle that refused to slow down for pedestrians in a crosswalk.

In NY, it is a free-for-all.  One person looks at an oncoming vehicle and decides he can cross the street before it gets to the intersection.  Then 50 people blindly follow without looking.  If you are in a car, you have to rev the engine to get people to actually look up and go 'Holy fark I'm retarded and need to get out of the street'.  If you are on a bike, you can ring that dinky little bell all you want, people still walk right in front of you.

This is people crossing against the light.  I'm sure there are plenty of people being dicks and plowing through a group of people crossing that actually have the light.
 
2013-09-25 06:55:46 PM  

Luse: firefly212: Luse: firefly212: Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.

I already can't get a farking drivers license b/c of my MS, now you want to take my bike away too? How am I supposed to get to work? Teleportation...

Would you still object if the Driver's License requirement was amended or waved but you still were held responsible for the other parts. Lane sharing, running reds, having to pull over if more than 5 cars are following you etc.?

I'm cool with most of that, but on some of these mtn roads, there isn't exactly a "pull over" option unless you want to fall a few hundred feet.

/much of the state also doesn't believe in guardrails.

Most states with the pull over requirement have designated spots designed for just that. Unfortunately they get used about as frequently as turn signals.


No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.
 
2013-09-25 06:57:20 PM  
"Right of Way is a NYC-based activist collective 'dedicated to asserting the rights of car-free street users'"

that phrase alone makes me want to mow them down with a unimog.
 
2013-09-25 06:57:24 PM  
No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.


That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned
 
2013-09-25 06:58:24 PM  

Luse: firefly212: Misconduc: While back some cyclist decided to get hit by a car, around my area they painted a bike path, it didn't take a year later before some cyclist who again decides not to follow the laws of the road - get t-boned by a motorcycle - another group of people with their "WATCH OUT FOR MOTORCYCLE!" stickers everywhere.

Cyclist got farked up bad and the motorcyclist had no helmet, what I don't understand is why cyclist want to be assholes? They expect cars to stop just because they have no protection - but they ignore all laws concerning the road because they believe they own it.

/agree with the guy up top, why do they constantly ride in the middle of a ROAD when there is a sidewalk especially when traffic is around?
//I bike and ride a motorcycle, maybe im a triple asshole on top of being a racist arab, then again my motorcycle is for quiet back roads on a sunday and biking is for cross country not near roads - frankly I want to preserve my life especially around cars where people text all the time

With the exception of speeding and the one time I got the ticket for riding on the sidewalk (empty sidewalk, crazy busy road), I've not ever broken a traffic law... I'm a total asshole, but I don't race out in front of cars, bust red lights, or do that other stuff because in the battle of 3000lb car v. 150lb me, I am not on the happy end of that physics computation. I know there are some bicyclists who are douchebags, but why stereotype all of them when we know that isn't true... it is a terribly spurious and disingenuous accusation and style of debate to attribute one negative feature to all people who engage in a particular sport or activity.

As both a "cager" and a motorcycle rider, I agree. In a confrontation between me on my bike, and a minivan, it doesn't really matter who is right, I'll be the dead right guy.
Also, I accused noone of anything. I merely propose a simple solution to a hotly debated topic. Do you treat a bicyclist as a car or as a ped ...


Like I said, I'm down for being treated like a scooter or whatever... I obey signage, signal my turns, and stop for red lights. The only time I came close to an incident with a car, the car just kind of unexpectedly (unsignaled) pulled over into the bike lane, stopped abruptly, then opened the door fully on the passenger side,... even though they were clearly the ones having issues following the law, when I jumped the curb onto the sidewalk to dodge them, they still felt the need to scream profanity at me for riding on the sidewalk (their vehicle obstructed all of the bike lane and most of the sidewalk with the open door. Frankly, I think what's needed is just an end to this whole "me first" mentality that plagues both drivers and bicyclists alike... life isn't a farking race... you don't get a prize for being home 3 minutes sooner, and you don't even know where the guy in front of you lives, so how is it that it is such a huge priority to get in front of him so you can beat him home? Regardless of whether you are in a car or on a bike, when you're going fast, you should respect the fact that regardless of whose fault it is, if someone screws up (and definitely if both of you screw up), there is a fair chance that someone is gonna end up in the hospital or dead. Whether you're the guy piloting a couple tons of explosion-powered steel at breakneck speeds or you're the guy who can actually do 25 mph by stripping down all the tons of steel and going under your own power, you need to have an appropriate level of respect for what you are doing, and an appropriate level of respect for the people and the environment around you.
 
2013-09-25 06:58:59 PM  

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


That. I yelled at one doing that a few months back - in retrospect, I likely sounded like a bit of a 'tard for yelling at her to get the fark out of the road, but WTF, that stretch has shoulders 3 feet wide. There's no excuse for me to be forced to either follow or pass her over a double yellow. There is never ANY excuse for a car to be stuck behind some arsehole cyclist like that.
 
2013-09-25 07:00:32 PM  

Luse: Luse: firefly212: Luse: firefly212: Luse: There is a simple answer. Apply all motorcycle laws to bicycles in the road. Enforce it.

I already can't get a farking drivers license b/c of my MS, now you want to take my bike away too? How am I supposed to get to work? Teleportation...

Would you still object if the Driver's License requirement was amended or waved but you still were held responsible for the other parts. Lane sharing, running reds, having to pull over if more than 5 cars are following you etc.?

I'm cool with most of that, but on some of these mtn roads, there isn't exactly a "pull over" option unless you want to fall a few hundred feet.

/much of the state also doesn't believe in guardrails.

Most states with the pull over requirement have designated spots designed for just that. Unfortunately they get used about as frequently as turn signals.

No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.


maybe something got lost in the quote there... but it looks like you're replying to yourself... in a very argumentative way.
 
2013-09-25 07:00:35 PM  
I live between 2 major highways that are connected by two roads in the area, the one I live on and another cross connector about a half mile away, the other road is a straight, paved 2 lane road with sidewalks and bike lanes, a 45 MPH speed limit, through trucks are prohibited on it, and to make it nicer it is not built up much yet so it has a lot of country scenery to view, the road I live on is a narrow 2 lane road that is a STAA access route (IE heavy truck route) with no sidewalks, bike lanes or shoulder, has a 60 MPH speed limit, and is a light industrial/farm area so the view isn't much just farmland and a few light industrial shops (like mine) yet the local bike club uses it instead of the nicer road not a half mile away, why? because it is more "challenging" which it is if your idea of a challenge is finding a way to dodge semis going 65 when you have no shoulder to duck onto while going around blind corners, all the while smelling the fine odors of pigstys mixed with fertilizer and industrial solvents....


/cyclists must have a death wish is all I can figure out
 
2013-09-25 07:02:22 PM  

Luse: No, you don't get to chose which laws to obey. If you demand a full lane, like you claim you are entitled to, because you are a vehicle, then you must obey all laws, including stop signs, like a vehicle.
Perhaps stopping at stop signs instead of rolling through them will help you enhance your fitness level.

That was meant for meyerkev


/selfpwned


lol, that makes more sense now
 
2013-09-25 07:03:50 PM  
commuteorlando.com

Taking the lane is the safest option, for the bicyclist and for the driver behind them.  Drivers, all you have to do is pass legally, by moving into the other lane when it is safe to do so.  If you can't pass safely, then don't pass.
 
2013-09-25 07:04:19 PM  
Cyclists can have their bike lanes, when I have my decriminalization of smearing obnoxious cyclists across a half-mile of pavement.
 
2013-09-25 07:05:15 PM  
This will end really well when the cabbies that know the markings are bullshiat ignore them, and the cyclists assume that they're immune to car crashes if they stick to them.
 
2013-09-25 07:06:52 PM  

waterrockets: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

So we're going to rate the red-light running? Watch cars stop on red when turning right. Watch cars sneak through turning left. good luck finding a light with none of them. Go ahead and tell me these never cause accidents.


I never claimed cars didn't cause accidents. I just want to contest that if I sit at any red light for 5 minutes I'll see a car blow through a red light like a cyclist does. The cyclists here absolutely give zero shiats about the red light. They just drive through them like they're not there - and not accidentally. Not like the guy who doesn't see it. There's a moment where they go from "I'm a car so I'm driving in a full lane" to "I'm on a bicycle so the lights don't apply to me."

StopLurkListen: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, marked bike detector, but about 10% of the time they don't work, either. After a dozen or more of these traffic signalized intersections designed for cars, cyclists tend to slow, look, and go when they think it's safe.


And that's not what I was talking about at all in my post stating that you won't see cars drive through red lights at *any intersection* if you wait 5 minutes like the poster I quoted claimed. I feel your pain on not being "sensed" but I see cyclists drive right through traffic lights and on/off the sidewalk all the time.
 
2013-09-25 07:09:00 PM  

StopLurkListen: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, marked bike detector, but about 10% of the time they don't work, either. After a dozen or more of these traffic signalized intersections designed for cars, cyclists tend to slow, look, and go when they think it's safe.


So use the cross-walk love. It's for pedestrians. But get off your bike in the cross-walk. Because it's for pedestrians.
 
2013-09-25 07:09:06 PM  

I alone am best: ZeroPly: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

I know a few people who've biked in Tokyo, and it's safe precisely because the bicycling rules are NOT enforced. Police turn a blind eye to two people on a bike, cruising through stops, etc. At the same time, they've come up with unwritten societal rules to keep it safe, so if you're weaving around with a BAC of 0.15, yeah, you'll probably be in trouble.

Americans can't stare down the road unless there are lines carefully painted for them. When they go to other countries where for example, there are no center lines painted, they lose their f*cking minds and can't imagine how a few thousand people a day aren't dying in wrong way crashes. A lot of this is using some common sense and thinking on your feet, which apparently American drivers are incapable of.

Your post is filled with bullshiat.


People in those countries do die more frequently.
 
2013-09-25 07:10:55 PM  

Treygreen13: waterrockets: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

So we're going to rate the red-light running? Watch cars stop on red when turning right. Watch cars sneak through turning left. good luck finding a light with none of them. Go ahead and tell me these never cause accidents.

I never claimed cars didn't cause accidents. I just want to contest that if I sit at any red light for 5 minutes I'll see a car blow through a red light like a cyclist does. The cyclists here absolutely give zero shiats about the red light. They just drive through them like they're not there - and not accidentally. Not like the guy who doesn't see it. There's a moment where they go from "I'm a car so I'm driving in a full lane" to "I'm on a bicycle so the lights don't apply to me."

StopLurkListen: Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.

I should know better than to argue with your imaginary anecdote, but have you ever waited for a traffic signal that never turned green for you? If you're waiting in your car for a signal to turn green for you, and after seeing the opposite streets cycle through but still not give you a green, what did you do?

All the traffic signals around here have magnetic loop detectors that are set to recognize cars, but not smaller objects like bicycles. Sometimes there's a specific, ma ...


I don't know where you live, but that's a bit of an exaggeration. Furthermore, it would be a bullshiat comparison. Let's take, what percentage of cars vs what percentage of bicyclists run reds. You'll find that it's a huge difference. Hell, some of them proudly profess it here on this very site! In this very thread!!! Can you believe it?
How many people on this site proudly profess that they run reds regularly in their car?
 
2013-09-25 07:14:22 PM  

Calmamity: I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation


REALLY ?!?!?!?!

do you know how much pollution is involved in the mining materials, drilling and refining petroleum, and manufacturing, shipping and advertising bicycles ? they are farking horrible. hemp sandals are the only  non-polluting transportationyou speak of.
 
2013-09-25 07:16:10 PM  

Pribar: I live between 2 major highways that are connected by two roads in the area, the one I live on and another cross connector about a half mile away, the other road is a straight, paved 2 lane road with sidewalks and bike lanes, a 45 MPH speed limit, through trucks are prohibited on it, and to make it nicer it is not built up much yet so it has a lot of country scenery to view, the road I live on is a narrow 2 lane road that is a STAA access route (IE heavy truck route) with no sidewalks, bike lanes or shoulder, has a 60 MPH speed limit, and is a light industrial/farm area so the view isn't much just farmland and a few light industrial shops (like mine) yet the local bike club uses it instead of the nicer road not a half mile away, why? because it is more "challenging" which it is if your idea of a challenge is finding a way to dodge semis going 65 when you have no shoulder to duck onto while going around blind corners, all the while smelling the fine odors of pigstys mixed with fertilizer and industrial solvents....


/cyclists must have a death wish is all I can figure out


https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Berthoud+Pass&hl=en&ll=39.79604,-105. 77 5337&spn=0.025785,0.055747&sll=39.930331,-105.799159&sspn=0.102938,0.2 22988&oq=berthoud+pas&t=h&hnear=Berthoud+Pass&z=15

I cannot begin to tell you how many people take this pass, on icy days, at 60+ mph, assuming that because there's road there, it's safe to do the speed limit... my neck of the woods sees way more dead motorists than bikers, not because they have a deathwish, but because they have this totally unearned and irrational sense of safety.
 
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