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(TreeHugger)   Attention bicyclists of New York City: Just because you think a street needs its own bike lane doesn't mean you get to take it upon yourself to paint a fake bike lane. "We're doing something for the public good"   (treehugger.com) divider line 244
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2013-09-25 04:01:42 PM  
God that site really has something against spray-in foam insulation. You'd think tree huggers would want houses sealed up tight and efficient.
 
2013-09-25 04:03:55 PM  
I am completely okay with this as long as I am allowed to make up my lanes as well.
 
2013-09-25 04:21:24 PM  
Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.
 
2013-09-25 04:38:51 PM  
I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."
 
2013-09-25 04:41:28 PM  
Attention shiatty bloggers: just because the screenshot you took of a video has a play/pause button does not magically turn it into an actual video.  Asshole.
 
2013-09-25 04:48:42 PM  

comhcinc: I am completely okay with this as long as I am allowed to make up my lanes as well.


Yeah, kind of this.  How long until some chucklehead makes his own "no bikes" signs?
 
2013-09-25 04:50:55 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.


What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.
 
2013-09-25 04:52:47 PM  

serial_crusher: comhcinc: I am completely okay with this as long as I am allowed to make up my lanes as well.

Yeah, kind of this.  How long until some chucklehead makes his own "no bikes" signs?


Better yet, paint it IN the fake bike lane.
 
2013-09-25 04:54:55 PM  

serial_crusher: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.

What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


The street in question is steep, narrow and with a couple of blind curves. Cars regularly gun it up the road and nearly hit cyclists as it is. A fake bike lane would give false assurances that the road is safe, despite not being up to regulations.
 
2013-09-25 05:24:38 PM  
How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

You're on a bike? You're inches from farking death by choice. GROW THE fark UP AND ACT LIKE IT, ASSHOLES. Be cautious and respectful.
 
2013-09-25 05:41:41 PM  
Cyclist thread?

/this isn't a bookmark
 
2013-09-25 05:42:11 PM  
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2013-09-25 05:42:51 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-25 05:43:39 PM  

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


So much this, and frankly, when I'm huffing and puffing up a steep hill with a perfectly usable sidewalk nearby and there are several cars behind me, I use the sidewalk.  I don't want 10 angry drivers behind me, each piloting 300lbs+ of biker death.
 
2013-09-25 05:45:07 PM  
 
2013-09-25 05:47:30 PM  
RTFA.

That's a long tenuous link that goes from "let's put in a bike lane" to "asshole cyclists and incompetent taxi drivers won't get into arguments" to "tourists won't get their feet crushed".
 
2013-09-25 05:48:51 PM  
Cyclists should just wait til the weekend to go on their joyrides. I'd be fine with bicyclists getting their own lane on weekends. But during the week, when actual adults are commuting to work, and these wanna-be Lance Armstrongs are clogging the lanes? Stay home and update your urban lifestyle blog, go harvest some organic kale at the local co-op, or go vintage loafer shopping with your life partner Seth. Leave the roads to the adults who actually work for a living.
 
2013-09-25 05:50:05 PM  

violentsalvation: God that site really has something against spray-in foam insulation. You'd think tree huggers would want houses sealed up tight and efficient.


What fascinates me is that foamed glass has been around for almost a century. It's inert, light, easy to work with, fireproof and mildew resistant. I must be missing something.

It probably only worked with balloon frames or something. We gotta build cheap and fast.
 
2013-09-25 05:51:53 PM  
This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.
 
2013-09-25 05:52:31 PM  

doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?


I know a few people who've biked in Tokyo, and it's safe precisely because the bicycling rules are NOT enforced. Police turn a blind eye to two people on a bike, cruising through stops, etc. At the same time, they've come up with unwritten societal rules to keep it safe, so if you're weaving around with a BAC of 0.15, yeah, you'll probably be in trouble.

Americans can't stare down the road unless there are lines carefully painted for them. When they go to other countries where for example, there are no center lines painted, they lose their f*cking minds and can't imagine how a few thousand people a day aren't dying in wrong way crashes. A lot of this is using some common sense and thinking on your feet, which apparently American drivers are incapable of.
 
2013-09-25 05:53:25 PM  
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Thank you.
 
2013-09-25 05:56:05 PM  

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


They also like to ignore one-way streets.
 
2013-09-25 05:56:55 PM  
FTA : "We're doing something for the public good," said Keegan Stephan... "So I think it's O.K., even if it's illegal."

Keegan sounds Somalian.
 
2013-09-25 05:57:21 PM  

Token Anarchist: This is a great example of direct action in the face of an unresponsive government that's been sold out to oil and auto interests.


Except creating these "bike lanes" doesn't leave enough room in the travel lane for cars. It requires the cars to either drive into oncoming traffic, or drive partially in the bike lane. There's a reason these cyclists are on their way to a vinyl record shop 2 and not an engineering firm.
 
2013-09-25 05:57:23 PM  
In fairness, most road lanes are wide enough for both cars and bicycles. Simply painting in their own lane is just highlighting where the car and cyclist should be to avoid hurting each other.

/reading the linked article, how the hell was the cab driver not charged with dangerous driving causing bodily harm?
 
2013-09-25 05:57:29 PM  
The woman went from losing her foot to losing her leg in a paragraph. I didn't finish reading the article because I didn't want her to end up like the black knight.
 
2013-09-25 05:57:40 PM  
All in favor of bike lanes in the more congested areas, but not so much in the less congested one.We had last year or so, a bike lane open in Albuquerque that traverses half the city. Was hailed by many bikers, not so much by those against it, saying overall, it served no purpose. I for one, do like using designated trails, but frown on those using motorized bikes, and it's clearly marked that no motorized bikes are allowed, yet these asshats feel haughty enough to do so. I'm alll for following the rules, and if I ride all the way into town doing so,these lazy farks can abide by the rules as well. Sure  I can put a motor on my bike, or ride my 900 cc BMW on the paths too, doesn't make it right. Don't make your own signs, and the law abiding people won't have to take action, not just make up rules as they go along.
 
2013-09-25 05:58:16 PM  

serial_crusher: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.

What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


based on a certain ratio of width to length and degree of curvature, sight lines, etc a road will have a safe driving speed.  if a road has a bike lane, their is a speed limit reduction that would apply.  No official baike lane, could mean excessive speeds in vicinity of a bike which could cause turbulence and knock the bicyclist off the bike.
 
2013-09-25 05:58:29 PM  

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


It's the law. You want cyclists to stop at stop signs and obey traffic laws and be good upstanding citizens, then you get to follow the same rules. If bikes are treated exactly the same as internal-combustion powered automobiles in the eyes of the law, then you just sit back on your ass while the bike take up the entire lane as the law entitles it to, going just as fast as the cyclist can go. So blow it out your ass.
 
2013-09-25 05:59:36 PM  
I almost hit a cyclist the other day. I was at a stop light going to turn right. I didn't pass a cyclist on the way to the stop light, so they must have turned onto the road after I passed. They came up on my right side as I made my turn as the light turned green. They flipped me off and yelled at me. I still feel bad, but honestly never even thought about checking over my right shoulder making a right turn. I sure will from now on, but I wonder whose fault it would have been if an accident had happened.
 
2013-09-25 06:00:38 PM  
www.hbstache.com

This sums up my feelings as a long time cyclist.....pretty simple really
 
2013-09-25 06:00:46 PM  
Ooh, is this the thread where car drivers complain that they get mildly inconvenienced when they are stuck behind a bicyclist for 30 seconds, and therefore wish death upon them?

If it is, sign me up! fark those guys!
 
2013-09-25 06:03:00 PM  

New Age Redneck: [www.hbstache.com image 166x250]

This sums up my feelings as a long time cyclist.....pretty simple really


This.  No sympathies from me for those cyclist douches who blow through red lights and stop signs.  Aim for them, I say.  Maybe get some of the heat of the law-abiding cyclists' backs.


/cyclist who rides 100 miles a week
 
2013-09-25 06:05:24 PM  

serial_crusher: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Painting DIY bike lanes is technically illegal

I tried to have a conversation with someone who was seriously proposing this on a difficult stretch of road near me. I should have asked him if he would be comfortable when a cyclist, thinking this is a safe legal bike lane, invariably gets hit by a car. At least now the bikers know to take the street at their own peril.

What scenario would lead to a cyclist on an illegal bike lane being hit by a law-abiding motorist though?  Even if you're allowed to drive your car on that part of the road, you're not allowed to rear-end the vehicles in front of you.


It's not a legally registered and licensed vehicle. Make them pay to register the vehicle and get a licence. Then build them lanes. Get them paying a road tax to use the road. Even Horse and Buggy operators pay a tax and have a licence.
Until then they are fair game.

Oh and don't go into the "But, but pedestrians!" mode. Those Farkers have to cross at a crosswalk and watch the signals or they're fair game too.
 
2013-09-25 06:05:52 PM  

Calmamity: I want to like bicyclists, I really do. I appreciate their commitment to their health, I appreciate that they are using non-polluting transportation.... but... godammit, if you can't keep up with the flow of traffic, then get the fu*k off the road. And what makes you think you're so special that you get to run red lights whenever you feel like it?

"Oooh ooh, Treat me like a vehicle! Follow behind me at 6 miles an hour while I mosey down the center of the lane and back up traffic for miles! I'm a vehicle!...  until it is inconvenient to me. Then I'm a pedestrian. A pedestrian who ignores all traffic laws."


Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red. There are asshole cyclists, and there are asshole drivers. Similar percentage of each.
 
2013-09-25 06:06:23 PM  

New Age Redneck: [www.hbstache.com image 166x250]

This sums up my feelings as a long time cyclist.....pretty simple really



I'm going to talk to some of my friends who I ride with and see if we can pitch in some money to order jerseys from Primal with that printed on it.
 
2013-09-25 06:06:30 PM  
Inside a bicyclist's head:

"I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian......."
 
2013-09-25 06:07:25 PM  

waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.


Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.
 
2013-09-25 06:07:50 PM  

TomD9938: FTA : "We're doing something for the public good," said Keegan Stephan... "So I think it's O.K., even if it's illegal."

Keegan sounds Somalian.


Today, I saw Keegan and Logan stumbling back to their $2800 a month loft in their 19th century barber and paperboy outfits after celebrating another year of funemployment and Brooklyn homogenization by drinking cruelty-free champagne in which the grapes were asked nicely to juice themselves rather than being stomped; and eating local, organic Bushwickian cheese laced with red beard hair and American Spirit cigarette ashes. So I gave them each an uppercut; ran their brochure-like bodies through a paper shredder and tossed the confetti around my still normal and actually diverse neighborhood. End of story.
 
2013-09-25 06:08:55 PM  
Cyclist philosophy:

"I use a green form of transportation.  This makes me better than you filthy scumbags.  I deserve special treatment."

Maybe NYC needs a special lane for non-motor vehicles, but being a douche about it doesn't make people want to support your ideas.
 
2013-09-25 06:08:56 PM  
I'm going to annoy people with the word macadam for at least a week.
 
2013-09-25 06:11:34 PM  

hailin: I almost hit a cyclist the other day. I was at a stop light going to turn right. I didn't pass a cyclist on the way to the stop light, so they must have turned onto the road after I passed. They came up on my right side as I made my turn as the light turned green. They flipped me off and yelled at me. I still feel bad, but honestly never even thought about checking over my right shoulder making a right turn. I sure will from now on, but I wonder whose fault it would have been if an accident had happened.


theirs. bikes are vehicles and passing on the right at an intersection is illegal (for this reason)
 
2013-09-25 06:12:01 PM  

uncleacid: I'm going to annoy people with the word macadam for at least a week.


I agree and did so. I moved from "The South" to New Jersey in '07. The guy doing the house inspection referenced the macadam driveway. I was like "Dude, that's asphalt."
 
2013-09-25 06:15:48 PM  

Treygreen13: waterrockets: Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.


So we're going to rate the red-light running? Watch cars stop on red when turning right. Watch cars sneak through turning left. good luck finding a light with none of them. Go ahead and tell me these never cause accidents.
 
2013-09-25 06:16:26 PM  
Treygreen13
waterrockets:
Show me a 5 minute video of ANY lighted intersection with continuous traffic that does not have at least one motor vehicle failing to stop on red.

Any lighted instersection? Really? Not that I keep 5 minute videos of lighted intersections but I bet I could walk outside right now, film, and I wouldn't see a car blow through the red light like a cyclist will.


That's why there are no red-light cameras : too unprofitable.
 
2013-09-25 06:17:48 PM  
Paging Cosmo Kramer....
 
2013-09-25 06:18:58 PM  

ZeroPly: doglover: How is it that millions of people can ride bikes in Tokyo, WITHOUT HELMETS mind you, next to cars on every kind of road imaginable and almost no one gets into fights or run over and yet Americans can't go one minute with a bike and car on the same road without the guy on the bike and the guy on the car splitting into factions and trying to kill the other?

I know a few people who've biked in Tokyo, and it's safe precisely because the bicycling rules are NOT enforced. Police turn a blind eye to two people on a bike, cruising through stops, etc. At the same time, they've come up with unwritten societal rules to keep it safe, so if you're weaving around with a BAC of 0.15, yeah, you'll probably be in trouble.

Americans can't stare down the road unless there are lines carefully painted for them. When they go to other countries where for example, there are no center lines painted, they lose their f*cking minds and can't imagine how a few thousand people a day aren't dying in wrong way crashes. A lot of this is using some common sense and thinking on your feet, which apparently American drivers are incapable of.


Your post is filled with bullshiat.
 
2013-09-25 06:20:02 PM  

ShepTR: Ooh, is this the thread where car drivers complain that they get mildly inconvenienced when they are stuck behind a bicyclist for 30 seconds, and therefore wish death upon them?

If it is, sign me up! fark those guys!


Cyclists should die. But it need not be a physical death. Just slay the beast within you that needs to find adversaries. Drivers do the same.

We're all just people. Slower traffic keep right. Watch out for your corn hole.
 
2013-09-25 06:22:41 PM  

ShepTR: Ooh, is this the thread where car drivers complain that they get mildly inconvenienced when they are stuck behind a bicyclist for 30 seconds, and therefore wish death upon them?

If it is, sign me up! fark those guys!



Call me crazy, but I don't like to waste other people's time.
 
2013-09-25 06:24:35 PM  

The_Sponge: Inside a bicyclist's head:

"I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian.....I'm a car.....I'm a pedestrian......."


Thats just Chinatown.
 
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