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(BBC)   "Turn left and travel for two hundred meters. *ding* Turn right at the intersection and avoid the oncoming 747"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 74
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2013-09-25 02:44:24 PM  

Gordian Cipher: Voiceofreason01: lohphat: How can motorists gain access to an airfield in the first place??? Are gates and fences too expensive in AK?

It looks like it takes them through the access road to private t-hangers and then onto the taxi way from there.

Yep. Not even a guard shack.

You'd think the big sign saying "Aircraft Operation Area" would be a clue, though...

http://goo.gl/maps/WdpnR

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You'd be surprised how stupid people can be around airports.
 
2013-09-25 02:46:28 PM  
Apple Maps flaw Dumbass airport design results in drivers crossing airport runway.

Fixed that for you.
 
2013-09-25 03:02:55 PM  

Fancourt: Apple Maps flaw Dumbass airport design results in drivers crossing airport runway.

Fixed that for you.


What dumbass design?  Letting people into the GA side is pretty standard.  And runways and taxiways are all pretty interconnected.
 
2013-09-25 03:08:29 PM  
devildog123:
You'd be surprised how stupid people can be around airports.

fixed
 
2013-09-25 03:20:25 PM  

devildog123: Fancourt: Apple Maps flaw Dumbass airport design results in drivers crossing airport runway.

Fixed that for you.

What dumbass design?  Letting people into the GA side is pretty standard.  And runways and taxiways are all pretty interconnected.


I work right next to a tiny little mixed-use airport that handles both private airplanes and 737 traffic. The entire airfield is access controlled, barricaded and fenced, and nobody is allowed inside the fence without first passing a background check and taking a training course on taxiway & runway vehicle access. Even private plane owners who drive right up to their planes have to meet these requirements before they get a gate key. This is a basic, standard, bottom-tier airport security, and not having this at an international airport is totally inexcusable dumbassery on a farking global scale.
 
2013-09-25 03:24:11 PM  
Fancourt:
I work right next to a tiny little mixed-use airport that handles both private airplanes and 737 traffic. The entire airfield is access controlled, barricaded and fenced, and nobody is allowed inside the fence without first passing a background check and taking a training course on taxiway & runway vehicle access. Even private plane owners who drive right up to their planes have to meet these requirements before they get a gate key. This is a basic, standard, bottom-tier airport security, and not having this at an international airport is totally inexcusable dumbassery on a farking global scale.

So what happens if I fly my Cessna out of a small regional airport, land at your airport and tie up for an afternoon meeting? How does that work?
 
2013-09-25 03:25:07 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Fancourt:
I work right next to a tiny little mixed-use airport that handles both private airplanes and 737 traffic. The entire airfield is access controlled, barricaded and fenced, and nobody is allowed inside the fence without first passing a background check and taking a training course on taxiway & runway vehicle access. Even private plane owners who drive right up to their planes have to meeWellt these requirements before they get a gate key. This is a basic, standard, bottom-tier airport security, and not having this at an international airport is totally inexcusable dumbassery on a farking global scale.

So what happens if I fly my Cessna out of a small regional airport, land at your airport and tie up for an afternoon meeting? How does that work?


Well, there's very good security for everybody who arrives at the airport except if they arrive by plane.
 
2013-09-25 03:25:30 PM  
CSB

When working in France, we switched to a new job site and our route took us alongside and then across an old runway - the stretch marked as a road was maintained, the rest of the concrete was unmaintained. Whatever.

A couple of weeks later, we got close to the runway and noticed two things.  A fire truck was blocking the road, but we couldn't see a fire.  Also, the train gates for the tracks that ran parallel to the runway on the far side were down, but we couldn't see a train.  As we're sitting there stopped in traffic trying to figure out what's going on, an Airbus comes screaming down the runway next to us and takes off. Scared the crap out of us.

Turns out it was not an abandoned runway after all, but was used a couple times a year when Airbus was doing overhauls of old planes.

/CSB
 
2013-09-25 03:34:24 PM  
YixilTesiphon:
Well, there's very good security for everybody who arrives at the airport except if they arrive by plane.

because who flies to an airport, am I right?
 
2013-09-25 03:36:11 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Fancourt:
I work right next to a tiny little mixed-use airport that handles both private airplanes and 737 traffic. The entire airfield is access controlled, barricaded and fenced, and nobody is allowed inside the fence without first passing a background check and taking a training course on taxiway & runway vehicle access. Even private plane owners who drive right up to their planes have to meet these requirements before they get a gate key. This is a basic, standard, bottom-tier airport security, and not having this at an international airport is totally inexcusable dumbassery on a farking global scale.

So what happens if I fly my Cessna out of a small regional airport, land at your airport and tie up for an afternoon meeting? How does that work?


How do you get your automobile out of your Cessna? Oh wait, it won't fit! I guess you're walking. 737's call that a "speed bump".
But a good point, I guess I just learned how to terorrize me some airplanes.
 
2013-09-25 03:40:47 PM  

Fancourt: devildog123: Fancourt: Apple Maps flaw Dumbass airport design results in drivers crossing airport runway.

Fixed that for you.

What dumbass design?  Letting people into the GA side is pretty standard.  And runways and taxiways are all pretty interconnected.

I work right next to a tiny little mixed-use airport that handles both private airplanes and 737 traffic. The entire airfield is access controlled, barricaded and fenced, and nobody is allowed inside the fence without first passing a background check and taking a training course on taxiway & runway vehicle access. Even private plane owners who drive right up to their planes have to meet these requirements before they get a gate key. This is a basic, standard, bottom-tier airport security, and not having this at an international airport is totally inexcusable dumbassery on a farking global scale.


Yeah, this is ALASKA.  I went to an FAA briefing a couple of years back, and the federal government's goal is that in the next 10 years they can get half the people up there currently flying to actually be licensed.  Not have medical certificates, which expire, but actual pilot's certificates.  Even with that problem, they still have the highest percentage of licensed pilots per capita in the United States.  There hundreds GA planes owned by individuals at FAI, not counting the planes owned by flight seeing companies, cargo companies, bush pilots, the oil companies, ect...  For a small airport, it's very crowded.
 
2013-09-25 03:40:53 PM  
Fancourt:
How do you get your automobile out of your Cessna? Oh wait, it won't fit! I guess you're walking. 737's call that a "speed bump".
But a good point, I guess I just learned how to terorrize me some airplanes.


Every FBO I've ever been to helpfully has numbers to the local car rental places and taxi services or maybe I've arranged for someone to pick me up. Also you didn't answer my question about what happens now that I've cleverly penetrated your made up security by flying into the airport.
 
2013-09-25 03:42:17 PM  
No one gave the obligatory mention of the Waze app yet? Cool app, stupid crap like this can be fixed by a user, and the user gets points for the fix. I am up to warrior Wazer.

Sis lives next door to the private airport in Flushing, MI, and only a gate on her back fence separates her daughters and dogs from running onto the runway.
 
2013-09-25 03:44:49 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Fancourt:
How do you get your automobile out of your Cessna? Oh wait, it won't fit! I guess you're walking. 737's call that a "speed bump".
But a good point, I guess I just learned how to terorrize me some airplanes.

Every FBO I've ever been to helpfully has numbers to the local car rental places and taxi services or maybe I've arranged for someone to pick me up. Also you didn't answer my question about what happens now that I've cleverly penetrated your made up security by flying into the airport.


I don't think Fancourthas ever been to the GA side of an airport
 
2013-09-25 03:47:20 PM  

ChipNASA: Don't worry, the problem will fix itself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmQQeNTGMXA

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that's some mighty cheesy voiceover
 
2013-09-25 03:48:17 PM  

Voiceofreason01: YixilTesiphon:
Well, there's very good security for everybody who arrives at the airport except if they arrive by plane.

because who flies to an airport, am I right?


Exactly.
 
2013-09-25 04:00:35 PM  

iheartscotch: cgraves67: Russ1642: I say fine the drivers and let them know that they can't blame their GPS every time they do something completely retarded.

This. You can't forfeit responsibility for your own actions to a machine.

The fine is huge; for crossing an active runway without tower permission, that is.


Fine? It is only a three star wanted rating.
 
2013-09-25 04:02:44 PM  

Russ1642: It's ok because I'm driving a Honda Pilot.


Ha! I stayed at Holiday Inn Express last night, so you know I'm now a qualified pilot.
 
2013-09-25 04:03:04 PM  
I'm baffled by how drivers have no f**king ability to get from A to B

What the hell has happened?
 
2013-09-25 04:05:01 PM  

devildog123: Fancourt: devildog123: Fancourt: Apple Maps flaw Dumbass airport design results in drivers crossing airport runway.

Fixed that for you.

What dumbass design?  Letting people into the GA side is pretty standard.  And runways and taxiways are all pretty interconnected.

I work right next to a tiny little mixed-use airport that handles both private airplanes and 737 traffic. The entire airfield is access controlled, barricaded and fenced, and nobody is allowed inside the fence without first passing a background check and taking a training course on taxiway & runway vehicle access. Even private plane owners who drive right up to their planes have to meet these requirements before they get a gate key. This is a basic, standard, bottom-tier airport security, and not having this at an international airport is totally inexcusable dumbassery on a farking global scale.

Yeah, this is ALASKA.  I went to an FAA briefing a couple of years back, and the federal government's goal is that in the next 10 years they can get half the people up there currently flying to actually be licensed.  Not have medical certificates, which expire, but actual pilot's certificates.  Even with that problem, they still have the highest percentage of licensed pilots per capita in the United States.  There hundreds GA planes owned by individuals at FAI, not counting the planes owned by flight seeing companies, cargo companies, bush pilots, the oil companies, ect...  For a small airport, it's very crowded.


Yes well when a state has no roads people tend to fly everywhere.
 
2013-09-25 04:06:36 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: I'm baffled by how drivers have no f**king ability to get from A to B

What the hell has happened?


iPhones and Google made them stupid. Electronics are making the general populace dumb. They think they can always Google something and find a dozen web sites on the subject and a half dozen U-Tube videos. They also think that this makes them experts.
 
2013-09-25 04:27:35 PM  
Slaves2Darkness:
iPhones and Google made them stupid. Electronics are making the general populace dumb. They think they can always Google something and find a dozen web sites on the subject and a half dozen U-Tube videos. They also think that this makes them experts.

it's not so much that it makes people stupid so much as it enables laziness.
 
2013-09-25 05:07:26 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Fancourt:
How do you get your automobile out of your Cessna? Oh wait, it won't fit! I guess you're walking. 737's call that a "speed bump".
But a good point, I guess I just learned how to terorrize me some airplanes.

Every FBO I've ever been to helpfully has numbers to the local car rental places and taxi services or maybe I've arranged for someone to pick me up. Also you didn't answer my question about what happens now that I've cleverly penetrated your made up security by flying into the airport.


What happens now is you can walk over and stick bombs on my 737s. This doesn't mean that letting people walk in off the street and do it is a smart design, at least I made you buy an airplane. Actually, a lot of freight terminals at major airports used to let you walk right through the building without ever passing security and chuck stuff into the airplanes as well, I hope they've tightened that up since 9/11.

It is fortunate for us that most terrorists are stupider than airport designers.
 
2013-09-25 08:40:29 PM  
"Barricades now prevent drivers following Apple's directions"

evilengineering.com
 
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