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2013-09-25 09:28:03 AM  
I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?
 
2013-09-25 09:59:19 AM  
And to top it off, he's a piss poor gardener.
 
2013-09-25 10:00:20 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


This gets stupidly old.
 
2013-09-25 10:00:48 AM  
Sadly this is quite common in big cities in professions like this. Public transit is quite corrupt. Tons of overtime claimed. Also by cops and other city professions. Also common in the NYC education system, where teachers caught diddling/hitting kids or other things that get them removed from the classroom, still get paid for doing nothing....for years or in some cases a decade.
 
2013-09-25 10:01:17 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


Uh, whoever says you aren't supposed to be outraged by the latter?
 
2013-09-25 10:02:28 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


It's important that people whose job is to inspect vehicles that carry hundreds of people at high speed actually do their jobs. Especially when transit funding is considerably tight.
 
2013-09-25 10:02:44 AM  
The guys laziness aside, I don't like the fact that they publish pictures of his wife and his home.  That seems to serve no purpose but vigilantism.
 
2013-09-25 10:03:53 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


$87k is not working class. That's well above the average American wage.

Anyway, you should be outraged at both, obviously.
 
2013-09-25 10:04:49 AM  
I've got a job where I don't do anything work-related for days or weeks at a time, but still have to show up and sit around (and get paid for it). Did the guy actually have work that needed to be done that he was avoiding?
 
2013-09-25 10:05:20 AM  
$70,000 salary plus $17,000 is not equal to or greater than $100k
//Fail
 
2013-09-25 10:05:35 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


Exactly! It's only cheating when the working class person doesn't work and get paid, but when a Businessman decides to "alleviate" some customers and employees of the "excessive money" they have it is perfectly ok!

/NY Daily News - We can't shove a camera into the face of the Bank of America's CEO and tell him he's a crook, it wud hurt his widdle feelings.
//Be angry at both the wealthy and not wealthy cheating going on, people in this thread, not just the one side you are with
 
2013-09-25 10:06:51 AM  
This article comes as a shock to absolutely noone. I dont know the whole story, but transit working standing at idle is pretty much standard operating procedure most of the time.
 
2013-09-25 10:07:28 AM  

Thunderpipes: Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?

This gets stupidly old.


That it does. Ah well, eventually people will realize that white collar crime is still crime and punish the rich guys just as harshly as the blue collar guys.
 
2013-09-25 10:08:22 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?




Correct. It's about damn time you got it.
 
2013-09-25 10:08:39 AM  
It's obviously the supervisor's fault.
 
2013-09-25 10:09:01 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: //Be angry at both the wealthy and not wealthy cheating going on, people in this thread, not just the one side you are with


Fine, how about we start from the ones gaming the system the most, and work our way down from there.
 
2013-09-25 10:09:27 AM  
I'm sure they all got raises and promotions.
 
2013-09-25 10:09:36 AM  

Weaver95: Ah well, eventually people will realize that white collar crime is still crime and punish the rich guys just as harshly as the blue collar guys.


HAH!
 
2013-09-25 10:11:36 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?

Uh, whoever says you aren't supposed to be outraged by the latter?


This.  You can be upset by both situations.  I know I am.
 
2013-09-25 10:16:00 AM  
What a shock, and today Metro North had massive delays.
 
2013-09-25 10:16:34 AM  
If he showed up to work, grabbed a cup of coffee, and occasionally tried to look busy, i.e leaned on a broom with said coffee in hand, he's never be busted.
 
2013-09-25 10:16:48 AM  

Verrai: Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?

$87k is not working class. That's well above the average American wage.

Anyway, you should be outraged at both, obviously.


It's above the American average wage, but it's below it for NYC. Last I checked, I would have needed ~91K to get the same value for COL that I did out of college in Chicago. I just ran a check on my hometown and 87K in NYC (Brooklyn) is like 45K or so there.
 
2013-09-25 10:17:02 AM  
With helpful photo of what a McDonald's might look like.
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2013-09-25 10:18:24 AM  
This is just like when black people would get lynched.
 
2013-09-25 10:21:02 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: This is just like when black people would get lynched.


What the hell does that have to do with anything?
 
2013-09-25 10:22:15 AM  

redmid17: It's above the American average wage, but it's below it for NYC.


The guy featured most prominently lives in Hopewell Junction, which is about 70 miles outside the city.
 
2013-09-25 10:22:38 AM  

LandOfChocolate: The guys laziness aside, I don't like the fact that they publish pictures of his wife and his home.  That seems to serve no purpose but vigilantism.


No, they show that he has a big house while hard working honest people are stuck in tiny one bedroom or no bedroom apartments and have to have roommates just to pay that rent.
 
2013-09-25 10:23:44 AM  
I think those who react by saying, "what about them bad rich guys", are probably ripping off their employers as well.
 
2013-09-25 10:23:51 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


If you're too "confused", why don't you ask the people who are paying the fare, to use this transit system, who they're outraged at, Mr. Overtime or Mr. Rich Guy.  I bet you see the "working class guy" as a hero.  If only he faked some kind injury and was put on lifetime disability, you would be leaping to your feet and shouting, "Way to stick it to the man!"
 
2013-09-25 10:24:42 AM  

redmid17: It's above the American average wage, but it's below it for NYC. Last I checked, I would have needed ~91K to get the same value for COL that I did out of college in Chicago. I just ran a check on my hometown and 87K in NYC (Brooklyn) is like 45K or so there.


The median annual salary in NYC is ~$45,000.  The mean is ~$62,000.

Even if you factor out "entry level" salaries, the average is ~$82,000.
 
2013-09-25 10:25:44 AM  

Gulper Eel: redmid17: It's above the American average wage, but it's below it for NYC.

The guy featured most prominently lives in Hopewell Junction, which is about 70 miles outside the city.


That's going to drive down the cost quite a bit.
 
2013-09-25 10:27:30 AM  

R.A.Danny: HotWingConspiracy: This is just like when black people would get lynched.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?


There was a news article a day or two ago where a rich CEO compared disliking rich people who get bonuses to black oppression in the 60's.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/aig-exec-public-outrage-over-b on uses-just-as-bad-as-lynchings-in-the-south
 
2013-09-25 10:28:49 AM  

RedPhoenix122: DarkSoulNoHope: //Be angry at both the wealthy and not wealthy cheating going on, people in this thread, not just the one side you are with

Fine, how about we start from the ones gaming the system the most, and work our way down from there.


I agree with that.
 
2013-09-25 10:29:38 AM  

squidgod2000: I've got a job where I don't do anything work-related for days or weeks at a time, but still have to show up and sit around (and get paid for it). Did the guy actually have work that needed to be done that he was avoiding?


Are you guys hiring?

/work as a flagger for the city where I live. Very little work actually seems to occur. We spend more time doing SFA than working it seems. Kinda boring really, i'd rather be actually working.
 
2013-09-25 10:31:01 AM  

RedPhoenix122: R.A.Danny: HotWingConspiracy: This is just like when black people would get lynched.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

There was a news article a day or two ago where a rich CEO compared disliking rich people who get bonuses to black oppression in the 60's.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/aig-exec-public-outrage-over-b on uses-just-as-bad-as-lynchings-in-the-south


How is that part of this conversation?
 
2013-09-25 10:32:05 AM  

R.A.Danny: RedPhoenix122: R.A.Danny: HotWingConspiracy: This is just like when black people would get lynched.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

There was a news article a day or two ago where a rich CEO compared disliking rich people who get bonuses to black oppression in the 60's.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/aig-exec-public-outrage-over-b on uses-just-as-bad-as-lynchings-in-the-south

How is that part of this conversation?


Because:

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?

 
2013-09-25 10:33:12 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


I get outraged when my tax dollars are being wasted or fraudulently obtained.  I don't have any choice about paying taxes.  I pay taxes for transit subsidies even if I don't use mass transit.

If some rich guy is gaming the system for a couple million in the private sector, I have the option of not patronizing his business.  If you choose to keep spending your money with a fraud, that's your problem.
 
2013-09-25 10:33:15 AM  

monoski: $70,000 salary plus $17,000 is not equal to or greater than $100k
//Fail


The proofreader was at Arby's
 
2013-09-25 10:33:52 AM  

Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?


I have plenty of outrage for everyone.
 
2013-09-25 10:35:04 AM  

Mr. Right: If some rich guy is gaming the system for a couple million in the private sector, I have the option of not patronizing his business. If you choose to keep spending your money with a fraud, that's your problem.


I'm sure they denied certain bailout dollar recipients in order to conform to your personal idiosyncrasies.
 
2013-09-25 10:36:34 AM  
This guy's slothfulness is going to be outsourced to a robot, as soon as scientists discover artificial laziness.
 
2013-09-25 10:37:06 AM  
I'm trying and failing to be outraged by this.  It is just status quo that your government at work is not working very hard.

There is a reason that so many people want government jobs.  This is true from very small municipalities to the federal level.  These jobs tend to pay better than average, have better benefits, not require much actual work, and be nearly impossible to lose.

That said, they were pretty damn brutal about naming names and posting photos.  shiat, why not list these guys' email addresses and cell numbers so they can catch hell from the entire planet?
 
2013-09-25 10:39:29 AM  

Mr. Right: I get outraged when my tax dollars are being wasted or fraudulently obtained. I don't have any choice about paying taxes. I pay taxes for transit subsidies even if I don't use mass transit.

If some rich guy is gaming the system for a couple million in the private sector, I have the option of not patronizing his business. If you choose to keep spending your money with a fraud, that's your problem.


What if a few rich guys do a few financial transactions that are not ethical (willingly giving loans to people they know who can't pay them back, but those rich guys will make a mint off the fees and later selling those bad loans to their competitors whom just do the same in return) which eventually comes to an empass, the financial system is on the verge of collapsing, and we give your tax dollars (as well as mine, and everyone elses) to pay to bail out these companies from collapsing because they're "too big to fail", which after that happens they don't really fix their finances with our tax dollars and instead give themselves big payouts because they feel they "deserve it" after "saving the company." Would you get outraged in this scenario?
 
2013-09-25 10:39:30 AM  
Coconice: That said, they were pretty damn brutal about naming names and posting photos.  shiat, why not list these guys' email addresses and cell numbers so they can catch hell from the entire planet?

I'm just sad that an enterprising torch and pitchfork manufacturer hasn't purchased ads on the page. I would Google for them, but who has the time?
 
2013-09-25 10:41:18 AM  

Verrai: $87k is not working class. That's well above the average American wage.


In NYC?

I think that is working class.

Mr. Right: If some rich guy is gaming the system for a couple million in the private sector, I have the option of not patronizing his business. If you choose to keep spending your money with a fraud, that's your problem


Not familiar with the Bailouts?

How about SEC?

How about companies liek Wal-Mart have many of their employees on public assistance which means you are subsidising their labor?

Or even the tax code (looking at you hedge fund managers)?
 
2013-09-25 10:43:27 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Mr. Right: If some rich guy is gaming the system for a couple million in the private sector, I have the option of not patronizing his business. If you choose to keep spending your money with a fraud, that's your problem.

I'm sure they denied certain bailout dollar recipients in order to conform to your personal idiosyncrasies.


The bailout was wrong.  It was a waste of my (and your) tax dollars.
 
2013-09-25 10:44:07 AM  
Walker:

You're not fooling anyone, Scott.
 
2013-09-25 10:44:32 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Weaver95: I find these stories confusing. I'm supposed to be outraged when a working class guy cheats the system for $20k, but I'm not supposed to be outraged when a rich guy games the system for a couple million?

Exactly! It's only cheating when the working class person doesn't work and get paid, but when a Businessman decides to "alleviate" some customers and employees of the "excessive money" they have it is perfectly ok!

/NY Daily News - We can't shove a camera into the face of the Bank of America's CEO and tell him he's a crook, it wud hurt his widdle feelings.
//Be angry at both the wealthy and not wealthy cheating going on, people in this thread, not just the one side you are with


Yes, this is the point. One that all of us forget or gloss over. Rich or poor, it's bad either way or you're just a farking hypocrite.

I wouldn't necessarily yell at everyone here either. I got extra pay (weekly bonus) when I was 'on-call' after I got experience. I could do anything I wanted but drink, heck there were days I didn't even show up at the office. The call (I had a pager and cell phone) came through and I responded. I made a lot of extra money being on-call. I lost the ability to have spontaneous adventure and go out drinking.

I don't know how MTA on-call was supposed to be setup. I'm a network geek, not a machinist.
 
2013-09-25 10:48:40 AM  
Four days in a row?  Meh.  Who hasn't slacked off for a couple days?  Call me when it's four months and all the trains are falling apart.
 
2013-09-25 10:52:47 AM  
I easily pull in six figures working for the government. If you count the .00 at the end of my paycheck.
 
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