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(Salon)   Paul was the cute Beatle, George was the quiet one, Ringo was the funny one, John was the homophobic anti-Semitic douche, Yoko coulda taken a couple bullets for John, and the Stones were better anyway   (salon.com) divider line 84
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2013-09-25 01:33:01 PM

Bongo Blue: Guitar hooks ain't Paul's thing.


Ahh sorry, I did not know you were referring to riffs,  I will agree with what you said then.  But don't forget Macca wrote the riffs in Paperback Writer, Birthday, and of course Helter Skelter among others.
 
2013-09-25 01:33:26 PM
The kinks, beachboys or love make them all look like amateurs.
 
2013-09-25 01:35:32 PM
Oh, and if anyone cares, Macca was probably the best guitar soloist n the band also.

http://www.guitarworld.com/top-five-beatles-guitar-solos-paul-mccart ne y?page=0,0
 
2013-09-25 01:39:45 PM

udhq: The kinks, beachboys or love make them all look like amateurs.


The Beatles and Beach Boys were extremely competitive with each other and I don't think either one would have achieved the greatness they did without the other.

The Kinks are great, rocked hard for decades, and shared Macca's English Music Hall influences, and probably had the first/best distorted guitar, but you cant really put them in the same category as the Beatles or the Stones.

Love is way cool but c'mon that's just a troll.
 
2013-09-25 01:50:22 PM

The Dynamite Monkey: Bongo Blue: Guitar hooks ain't Paul's thing.

Ahh sorry, I did not know you were referring to riffs,  I will agree with what you said then.  But don't forget Macca wrote the riffs in Paperback Writer, Birthday, and of course Helter Skelter among others.


ah yes, Paperback writer!
Great rock song.
I should put that into my rotation.
 
2013-09-25 01:52:31 PM
and the Stones were better anyway

[You's a trollin'.jpg]

The Stones totally ripped off Muddy Waters. Not that this is uncommon - plenty of bands borrow from others and improve on the product. The Stones were great at bluesy rock, and put some real flair into the genre; but they were not nearly as creative in their actual products. The Beatles were all-stars at creativity, it really shows in their body of work, and this is by far the most important aspect of why they are so influential on other musicians.
 
2013-09-25 02:03:24 PM

stupiddream: zimbomba63: IntertubeUser: Paul McCartney has more talent than the rest of the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and The Who put together.

Yeah, I could, seeing as Paul has preformed Helter Skelter live many times.  Can you imagine the Stones singing Paperback Writer or Yesterday with the same skill as the Beatles did at Candlestick Park?


Ah, no, I can't see the Stones singing Paperback Writer or Yesterday.And why would they have wanted to?  One's a pop ditty, and the other is a turgid, lost-love moan.  And if some one had held a gun to their heads and forced them belt out those two "masterpieces", I hope their interpretation bring a little something more, rock-wise, to the performance, than the boys did.  But, that's just my opinion.
 
Ant
2013-09-25 02:15:50 PM
I can't remember where I read it, but I heard that John's insults against Brian Epstein were the result of endless unwanted advances from Epstein.
 
2013-09-25 02:18:31 PM

zimbomba63: stupiddream: zimbomba63: IntertubeUser: Paul McCartney has more talent than the rest of the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and The Who put together.

Yeah, I could, seeing as Paul has preformed Helter Skelter live many times.  Can you imagine the Stones singing Paperback Writer or Yesterday with the same skill as the Beatles did at Candlestick Park?

Ah, no, I can't see the Stones singing Paperback Writer or Yesterday.And why would they have wanted to?  One's a pop ditty, and the other is a turgid, lost-love moan.  And if some one had held a gun to their heads and forced them belt out those two "masterpieces", I hope their interpretation bring a little something more, rock-wise, to the performance, than the boys did.  But, that's just my opinion.


Like maybe Angie or Get Off of My Cloud?  Ones a 'turgid, lost-love moan' and the other is a 'pop ditty'.  Neither has anything on the two songs I mentioned.
 
2013-09-25 02:20:31 PM

dj_spanmaster: and the Stones were better anyway

[You's a trollin'.jpg]

The Stones totally ripped off Muddy Waters. Not that this is uncommon - plenty of bands borrow from others and improve on the product. The Stones were great at bluesy rock, and put some real flair into the genre; but they were not nearly as creative in their actual products. The Beatles were all-stars at creativity, it really shows in their body of work, and this is by far the most important aspect of why they are so influential on other musicians.


Yeah, the Stones never gave any mention to the fact that Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf, were their muses.  They just kept it a great, big secret.  "Psss, what ever you do, don't mention the old black guys."

Where as, with the Beatles "creativity", it simply sprang forth, new, original and fully formed, due to their unimaginable talents.

OK, then.  I think I understand, now.
 
2013-09-25 02:38:23 PM

stupiddream: zimbomba63: stupiddream: zimbomba63: IntertubeUser: Paul McCartney has more talent than the rest of the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and The Who put together.

Yeah, I could, seeing as Paul has preformed Helter Skelter live many times.  Can you imagine the Stones singing Paperback Writer or Yesterday with the same skill as the Beatles did at Candlestick Park?

Ah, no, I can't see the Stones singing Paperback Writer or Yesterday.And why would they have wanted to?  One's a pop ditty, and the other is a turgid, lost-love moan.  And if some one had held a gun to their heads and forced them belt out those two "masterpieces", I hope their interpretation bring a little something more, rock-wise, to the performance, than the boys did.  But, that's just my opinion.

Like maybe Angie or Get Off of My Cloud?  Ones a 'turgid, lost-love moan' and the other is a 'pop ditty'.  Neither has anything on the two songs I mentioned.


Angie, I'll concede, but, it was in the years beginning their decline.  Get Off of My Cloud, pop?  I don't think so.  Try again.
 
2013-09-25 02:41:29 PM
The Who is    KINKS  Are  better than both of them

ftfy
 
2013-09-25 02:58:48 PM

zimbomba63: Where as, with the Beatles "creativity", it simply sprang forth, new, original and fully formed, due to their unimaginable talents.


Don't you think the stones' best work was later, after they had stopped playing re-hashed chicago blues, and started playing country (thanks Gram!) R&B and other styles?  Long after the Beatles has disbanded....  it's almost apples and oranges.

my opinion, By Decade:

60s: Beatles re-define pop creativity, Stones essentially Chicago Blues cover band.
70s: Stones incredibly creative and great, no Beatles in existence, all Beatles solo material is inferior to stones
 
2013-09-25 03:03:34 PM

zimbomba63: Get Off of My Cloud, pop?  I don't think so.


Stylistically I do not see a big difference between Paperback Writer and Get Off My Cloud, except in one of them the singing is on key, ;-)

/ I love Get Off My Cloud
// sorry I am on day 2, hour 9 of hte same conference call and I am losing my mind.
 
2013-09-25 03:04:30 PM
I dig the Stones.  I enjoy the Beatles.  I listen to the Who on occasion.
But if I want earth shattering, genre defining music that has changed the world as we know it ...

Motown
 
2013-09-25 03:06:09 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: Motown


Stax > Motown

/ end obvious troll
 
2013-09-25 03:21:31 PM

udhq: The kinks, beachboys or love make them all look like amateurs.


Not really, no. The Kinks have some good songs and a ton of meh ones, and 95% of Beach Boys songs are as bad as the early Beatles fluff.
 
2013-09-25 04:04:20 PM

The Dynamite Monkey: Dr. Kefarkian: Motown

Stax > Motown

/ end obvious troll


What a sec, Tempting T's and Smokey Robinson for the win.
 
2013-09-25 04:09:08 PM

The Dynamite Monkey: zimbomba63: Get Off of My Cloud, pop?  I don't think so.

Stylistically I do not see a big difference between Paperback Writer and Get Off My Cloud, except in one of them the singing is on key, ;-)

/ I love Get Off My Cloud
// sorry I am on day 2, hour 9 of hte same conference call and I am losing my mind.


The Dynamite Monkey: Dr. Kefarkian: Motown

Stax > Motown

/ end obvious troll


What a sec, Tempting T's and Smokey Robinson for the win.
 
2013-09-25 04:10:36 PM

zimbomba63: The Dynamite Monkey: zimbomba63: Get Off of My Cloud, pop?  I don't think so.

Stylistically I do not see a big difference between Paperback Writer and Get Off My Cloud, except in one of them the singing is on key, ;-)

/ I love Get Off My Cloud
// sorry I am on day 2, hour 9 of hte same conference call and I am losing my mind.

The Dynamite Monkey: Dr. Kefarkian: Motown

Stax > Motown

/ end obvious troll

What a sec, Tempting T's and Smokey Robinson for the win.


oops!
 
2013-09-25 04:21:08 PM

LewDux: "Beatles vs. Stones": What fueled rock's greatest rivalry

$


Wrong Metric.
 
2013-09-25 04:26:45 PM

The Dynamite Monkey: zimbomba63: Get Off of My Cloud, pop?  I don't think so.

Stylistically I do not see a big difference between Paperback Writer and Get Off My Cloud, except in one of them the singing is on key, ;-)

/ I love Get Off My Cloud
// sorry I am on day 2, hour 9 of hte same conference call and I am losing my mind.


Well, one song was about paperback writing?!?!  The other was about a guy, telling another guy to get away/off of his girlfriend.  Thematically, one was pop and the other, rock.  Musically, Cloud, was edgier, while Writer, was a bit more mellow, with some Beatles sonic effects, thrown in.

I grew up during this period, and you were either a fan of one or the other.  Those who said they liked both were considered to be on par with child molesters.
 
2013-09-25 05:29:48 PM

zimbomba63: I grew up during this period, and you were either a fan of one or the other. Those who said they liked both were considered to be on par with child molesters.


Really?  Is that true (serious question, I was born in 1975)?

Even in the later years?
 
2013-09-25 07:22:13 PM
Apples and Oranges. It's unfair to both to compare them head-to-head.
 
2013-09-25 08:40:34 PM

The Dynamite Monkey: udhq: The kinks, beachboys or love make them all look like amateurs.

The Beatles and Beach Boys were extremely competitive with each other and I don't think either one would have achieved the greatness they did without the other.

The Kinks are great, rocked hard for decades, and shared Macca's English Music Hall influences, and probably had the first/best distorted guitar, but you cant really put them in the same category as the Beatles or the Stones.

Love is way cool but c'mon that's just a troll.


Revolver -> Pet Sounds -> Sgt. Peppers, best album rotation ever

/I really really love Revolver, my favorite album by the Beatles, but holy crap is Pet Sounds amazing.  As in, if you don't enjoy this album from start to finish I think you may be missing a soul amazing.

The Dynamite Monkey: zimbomba63: Where as, with the Beatles "creativity", it simply sprang forth, new, original and fully formed, due to their unimaginable talents.

Don't you think the stones' best work was later, after they had stopped playing re-hashed chicago blues, and started playing country (thanks Gram!) R&B and other styles?  Long after the Beatles has disbanded....  it's almost apples and oranges.

my opinion, By Decade:

60s: Beatles re-define pop creativity, Stones essentially Chicago Blues cover band.
70s: Stones incredibly creative and great, no Beatles in existence, all Beatles solo material is inferior to stones


to me the 70s are Led Zeppelin and The Who.

/Wild Horses makes me want to cut off my ears
//50 licks is the only album you need to own for the Stones
 
2013-09-25 08:47:38 PM
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Twice in one night, in 2 different threads. Yay me.
 
2013-09-25 09:09:39 PM
Fail on the picture that accompanies the article. John, Paul and George are there, but I don't know who that other guy is. Ringo missed a few shows on one of their tours due to illness. I'm assuming that picture was taken during that tour.
 
2013-09-25 09:36:47 PM
The headline sounds about right.
 
2013-09-25 09:40:20 PM

bingethinker: Fail on the picture that accompanies the article. John, Paul and George are there, but I don't know who that other guy is. Ringo missed a few shows on one of their tours due to illness. I'm assuming that picture was taken during that tour.


No....that's definitely not Jimmy Nicol (the drummer who replaced Ringo in a few shows due to tonsiliitis in the summer of '64) in that photo. It looks like it was shot during the filming of 'Help!' in the Bahamas....going by the presence the nice Nikon on the step, he might be a photographer.
 
2013-09-25 10:08:28 PM
Whaddya think about that, Keith?

Keith?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-26 12:41:45 AM
95% of Beach Boys songs are as bad as the early Beatles fluff.

there were NO Beatles fluff songs, the Beach Boys were almost all fluff until Pet Sounds
 
2013-09-26 12:42:56 AM
To those who claim that Stones were blues influenced while the Beatles were more pop oriented. That's Heavy. Heavy but untrue.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4CzqrPZtXk
 
2013-09-26 06:55:27 AM

TV's Vinnie: Ringo is/was the Butt-Ugly Beatle.


Not at all, young Ringo was adorable and would probably be my first pick.
I like the Beatles music but their personalities are all insufferable.
 
2013-09-26 08:10:52 AM

imspartacus: To those who claim that Stones were blues influenced while the Beatles were more pop oriented. That's Heavy. Heavy but untrue.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4CzqrPZtXk


I don't think anyone is claiming that at all.  The Beatles played tons of blues, especially early in their career.  But you have to admit their influences were much more diverse than the Stones.  And that is not a failing of the Stones, per se, it was by design.  Brian was religious about the blues.

Also, while I guess you could say "I Want You" is a minor blues, it's nowhere near the 1-4-5 progression that is the hallmark of Chicago Blues.
 
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