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(RealClear)   Secretary of State John Kerry to sign controversial UN arms treaty...even after the Senate said it would never ratify it. So, basically he's performing diplomatic masturbation   (realclear.com ) divider line
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2013-09-25 11:03:30 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either


Okay. So what?
 
2013-09-25 11:04:17 AM  

Lucky LaRue: theknuckler_33: Cruz and the House radicals' theater may shut down our government

Uh.. no.  Cruz struck a deal with Reid.  He's up there because Reid gave him permission to go full derp and pretend to filibuster.  He's only there as long as Harry wants him there and, at the end of his rant, the bill will go to a simple majority vote and be rejected.


I was referring to the larger 'defund obamacare in the CR' situation. But yea, if you narrow it down to Cruz's little speech, then yea, it won't have any effect either.
 
2013-09-25 11:06:43 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Check it out.  He's OHB now.  Conservatives have their own in-jokes.


Oarack Hussein Baobob
 
2013-09-25 11:07:30 AM  
I mean Oarrack

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-25 11:09:51 AM  

Jackson Herring: I mean Oarrack

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]


www.mainstreetvacuum.com
You mean Orek Obummer! I knew he sucked!
 
2013-09-25 11:09:56 AM  
The Secretary of State works for the President, not the Senate. Kerry is doing his job. What the Senate chooses to do about the treaty after that is not his problem.
 
2013-09-25 11:10:25 AM  

Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

Okay. So what?


I guess I should have asked you the same thing

Okay. So what?
 
2013-09-25 11:11:37 AM  

Aristocles: OnlyM3: Three Crooked Squirrels [TotalFark]

GOP-like behavior detected

As he ignores kerry/obama pushing to send crates of weapons to al qaeda

Don't forget, Holder had no problem funneling guns to Mexican drug lords with no one tracking said arms.

I guess BOB, Kerry, and the dems would rather see guns in the hands of terrorists and drug dealers than law abiding citizens.


Who's Bob? And what has he got to do with this?
 
2013-09-25 11:12:30 AM  

Aristocles: Rapmaster2000: Gather round children, and see how FW:FW:FW:FW emails get made.

TheUsualSuspect
The bigger issue here is, if the United Nations can dictate laws in the USA regarding firearms they can dictate laws about anything!  Over my dead body.
I wouldn't care if the law was about eating spinach I'm against it now and forever amen.  As Senator Obama co-sponsored a bill called the "Global Poverty Act" that would have given the UN the right to tax the USA .8% of the US GDP for distribution to poor nations (and greedy UN officials) around the world.  That's all I had to know about OHB right there, he's a one worlder then and a one worlder now.  If I had my way I would opt of of the United Nations altogether

@TheUsualSuspect
I did not know about the Global Poverty Act. Thank you for your input - we can not afford to feed the world.

Check it out.  He's OHB now.  Conservatives have their own in-jokes.

That's all you got out of the comment... "OHB"??

Farklibs have some real thinking to do about the detrimental effects of BOB's failed plans.


Old and Busted: BOB.
New Hotness:  OHB

Get with the times, grandpa.
 
2013-09-25 11:12:53 AM  
Is this the UN treaty gun nuts say is going to ban guns in the US?
 
2013-09-25 11:13:18 AM  
Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."
 
2013-09-25 11:14:04 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Aristocles: Rapmaster2000: Gather round children, and see how FW:FW:FW:FW emails get made.

TheUsualSuspect
The bigger issue here is, if the United Nations can dictate laws in the USA regarding firearms they can dictate laws about anything!  Over my dead body.
I wouldn't care if the law was about eating spinach I'm against it now and forever amen.  As Senator Obama co-sponsored a bill called the "Global Poverty Act" that would have given the UN the right to tax the USA .8% of the US GDP for distribution to poor nations (and greedy UN officials) around the world.  That's all I had to know about OHB right there, he's a one worlder then and a one worlder now.  If I had my way I would opt of of the United Nations altogether

@TheUsualSuspect
I did not know about the Global Poverty Act. Thank you for your input - we can not afford to feed the world.

Check it out.  He's OHB now.  Conservatives have their own in-jokes.

That's all you got out of the comment... "OHB"??

Farklibs have some real thinking to do about the detrimental effects of BOB's failed plans.

Old and Busted: BOB.
New Hotness:  OHB

Get with the times, grandpa.


I'm partisan to Oblahma. Not because I think they oppose everything he does due to race, though
 
2013-09-25 11:14:35 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either


The BATFE running guns under Bush stopped when they realized how corrupt and undependable the Mexican authorities were.

The BATFE under Holder/Obama stopped after they broke enough eggs making omletes to get several hundred people killed including Brian Terry and got caught at it. They were Obama's "Iron River".
 
2013-09-25 11:15:34 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

Okay. So what?

I guess I should have asked you the same thing

Okay. So what?


You brought up the b-b-but Bush. Do you get tired of that? It's sort of a non-point. It's like something you reflexively spit up into the thread.
 
2013-09-25 11:16:25 AM  

ex-nuke: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

The BATFE running guns under Bush stopped when they realized how corrupt and undependable the Mexican authorities were.

The BATFE under Holder/Obama stopped after they broke enough eggs making omletes to get several hundred people killed including Brian Terry and got caught at it. They were Obama's "Iron River".


This is Obama's "Fast and the Furious:  Tokyo Drift".
 
2013-09-25 11:16:30 AM  

Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

Okay. So what?

I guess I should have asked you the same thing

Okay. So what?

You brought up the b-b-but Bush. Do you get tired of that? It's sort of a non-point. It's like something you reflexively spit up into the thread.


He's saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
2013-09-25 11:16:32 AM  

stuhayes2010: Is this the UN treaty gun nuts say is going to ban guns in the US?


Yeah, that's the one. Of course it wouldn't do any such thing, but when has reality ever stopped the NRA from being against something?
 
2013-09-25 11:16:52 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."


There's nothing worse than someone who just refuses to join the Democratic cause wholeheartedly, is there?
 
2013-09-25 11:17:38 AM  

FarkedOver: Jackson Herring: I mean Oarrack

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

[www.mainstreetvacuum.com image 500x500]
You mean Orek Obummer! I knew he sucked!



No, it's baRick Ocasek.

darkroom.baltimoresun.com

You might think he's crazy.
 
2013-09-25 11:17:42 AM  

ex-nuke: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

The BATFE running guns under Bush stopped when they realized how corrupt and undependable the Mexican authorities were.

The BATFE under Holder/Obama stopped after they broke enough eggs making omletes to get several hundred people killed including Brian Terry and got caught at it. They were Obama's "Iron River".


Remember folks before this cartels didnt have guns and had to use spitballs and harsh language.
 
2013-09-25 11:18:25 AM  

theknuckler_33: FarkedOver: Jackson Herring: I mean Oarrack

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

[www.mainstreetvacuum.com image 500x500]
You mean Orek Obummer! I knew he sucked!


No, it's baRick Ocasek.

[darkroom.baltimoresun.com image 267x326]

You might think he's crazy.


That farker is always after his best friends girl!
 
2013-09-25 11:18:34 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."


You probably didn't bother to read my earlier comment, either, about how the far-left it is suspicious of the moderates in their party and how their paranoia is strikingly similar to the teabaggers on the right that have the audacity to label McConnell a RINO..

I am really starting to enjoy you guys tripping over yourselves to prove my point.
 
2013-09-25 11:18:37 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

Okay. So what?

I guess I should have asked you the same thing

Okay. So what?

You brought up the b-b-but Bush. Do you get tired of that? It's sort of a non-point. It's like something you reflexively spit up into the thread.

He's saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


Ooooooh, right, "Those who criticize Obama all unquestionably supported Bush at all times!" That's interesting since I voted against the guy twice.
 
2013-09-25 11:19:30 AM  

dittybopper: nekom: Lando Lincoln: And the NRA doesn't want them to because they're nutjobs bought and paid for by gun manufacturers.

FTFY

It's the other-way 'round:  The gun manufacturers are bought and paid for by the NRA, because the NRA has the muscle to shut down a gun manufacturer that steps out of line, even the biggest, most prestigious manufacturers.

See:   Smith & Wesson Agreement of 2000.

Moral of the story:  Don't piss off your customers.


Alternate interpretation: The cartel decided to rein in one of its members that broke with the established trade strategy, and directed its agents within the NRA to establish the correct opinion within the group, thus bringing the now-diminished member back into the fold to serve as an example to any others that might consider leaving.

Just speculation, of course.
 
2013-09-25 11:19:58 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Peter von Nostrand: Lucky LaRue: King Something: Lucky LaRue: So, let me get this straight:  Fox New is ridiculing Kerry for political theater and MSNBC is ridiculing Cruz for political theater.  And you guys actually choose between these two sides?

Yes, because only one of these two sides is actively cheerleading for an economic catastrophe just to spite the other side.

Yep.  The GOP wants to destroy the economy and ruin America - all because the country elected a Black man to the presidency.  It is amazing how liberals make themselves look like complete jackasses considering how wise and erudite their observations are.

The GOP purposefully got the credit rating downgraded and is threatening the same if we continue the awful practice of giving more US citizens health insurance

Your argument is invalid

You are a product of your culture that is steeped in the mythology of good-vs-evil, light-vs-dark, god-vs-satan.  It is only natural that you orient your political views along similar black-and-white dichotomies.  Really, it isn't that I don't understand.  I'm just a little disappointed is all.


If the GOP haven't convinced you of the reality of evil, I don't know what will.
 
2013-09-25 11:22:01 AM  

Lucky LaRue: cameroncrazy1984: Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."

You probably didn't bother to read my earlier comment, either, about how the far-left it is suspicious of the moderates in their party and how their paranoia is strikingly similar to the teabaggers on the right that have the audacity to label McConnell a RINO..

I am really starting to enjoy you guys tripping over yourselves to prove my point.


Except that the far left doesn't have the clout to do anything as opposed to the GOP where moderates are an endangered species being hunted into extinction.
 
2013-09-25 11:22:50 AM  
I'll bet Reid gets is passed on the 41st try
 
2013-09-25 11:22:54 AM  

FarkedOver: Jackson Herring: I mean Oarrack

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

[www.mainstreetvacuum.com image 500x500]
You mean Orek Obummer! I knew he sucked!


I giggled outloud.

Also, another tangent: What does IOKNAR or wahtever that acronym mean?
 
2013-09-25 11:24:52 AM  

theknuckler_33: You might think he's crazy.


He kep' it going, 'til the sun fell down. He kep' it, going.
 
2013-09-25 11:24:56 AM  

Fart_Machine: Lucky LaRue: cameroncrazy1984: Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."

You probably didn't bother to read my earlier comment, either, about how the far-left it is suspicious of the moderates in their party and how their paranoia is strikingly similar to the teabaggers on the right that have the audacity to label McConnell a RINO..

I am really starting to enjoy you guys tripping over yourselves to prove my point.

Except that the far left doesn't have the clout to do anything as opposed to the GOP where moderates are an endangered species being hunted into extinction.


You are right on that point.  While the far-left is just as embarrassing to the Democrats as the far-right is to the Republicans, they by-and-large have no meaningful political leverage.
 
2013-09-25 11:25:29 AM  

Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

Okay. So what?

I guess I should have asked you the same thing

Okay. So what?

You brought up the b-b-but Bush. Do you get tired of that? It's sort of a non-point. It's like something you reflexively spit up into the thread.

He's saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Ooooooh, right, "Those who criticize Obama all unquestionably supported Bush at all times!" That's interesting since I voted against the guy twice.


You can't seem to find anyone who admitted to voting for Bush nowadays.
 
2013-09-25 11:25:29 AM  
Remember, kids, it's a bad thing to engage in political theater.

Now, let's go repeal Obamacare for the 42nd time.
 
2013-09-25 11:25:52 AM  

I_C_Weener: Diogenes: I don't know how they expect to get decent ratings with this political theater now that the new seasons have started.

C-Span is socialist tv.  Ratings are not necessary for renewal of bad programs...just like British TV.


Then how come they get Sherlock and we get Ted Cruz reading "Green Eggs and Ham"? Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-09-25 11:26:41 AM  

LoneWolf343: Lucky LaRue: Peter von Nostrand: Lucky LaRue: King Something: Lucky LaRue: So, let me get this straight:  Fox New is ridiculing Kerry for political theater and MSNBC is ridiculing Cruz for political theater.  And you guys actually choose between these two sides?

Yes, because only one of these two sides is actively cheerleading for an economic catastrophe just to spite the other side.

Yep.  The GOP wants to destroy the economy and ruin America - all because the country elected a Black man to the presidency.  It is amazing how liberals make themselves look like complete jackasses considering how wise and erudite their observations are.

The GOP purposefully got the credit rating downgraded and is threatening the same if we continue the awful practice of giving more US citizens health insurance

Your argument is invalid

You are a product of your culture that is steeped in the mythology of good-vs-evil, light-vs-dark, god-vs-satan.  It is only natural that you orient your political views along similar black-and-white dichotomies.  Really, it isn't that I don't understand.  I'm just a little disappointed is all.

If the GOP haven't convinced you of the reality of evil, I don't know what will.


Pol Pot was evil. The GOP that's just been dragged down into insanity and intellectual bankruptcy. There are surely some in their ranks who are bad people, but just like most Democrats, I think most of them think they are trying to move the country in the right direction.
 
2013-09-25 11:27:18 AM  

Summercat: What does IOKNAR or wahtever that acronym mean?


IOKIYAR. It's Okay If You're a Republican.
 
2013-09-25 11:28:25 AM  

Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."

There's nothing worse than someone who just refuses to join the Democratic cause wholeheartedly, is there?


Eh? That's not what I said. He (or she) is trying to posit that you should believe both sides are the same, despite all evidence to the contrary. Do YOU think that both sides are equal?
 
2013-09-25 11:28:29 AM  

Rain-Monkey: So basically he's mimicking what House Republicans have been doing every single day since 2010


Yes, our current Secretary of State is no better than the worst of the House Republicans. I agree with you.
 
2013-09-25 11:28:56 AM  
LoneWolf343:

If the GOP haven't convinced you of the reality of evil, I don't know what will.

kithmeme.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-25 11:29:44 AM  

Lucky LaRue: cameroncrazy1984: Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."

You probably didn't bother to read my earlier comment, either, about how the far-left it is suspicious of the moderates in their party and how their paranoia is strikingly similar to the teabaggers on the right that have the audacity to label McConnell a RINO..

I am really starting to enjoy you guys tripping over yourselves to prove my point.


The Democrats don't do stupid things like repealing a law 42 times because they're afraid to be primaried by someone from the far-left. Explain to me again how both sides are equally the same?
 
2013-09-25 11:29:56 AM  

stuhayes2010: Is this the UN treaty gun nuts say is going to ban guns in the US?


Yep, and in capital letters, so it must be true.  However, my response to my gun nut friends was that it would never be ratified.  Looks like I was correct.
 
2013-09-25 11:30:11 AM  

Fart_Machine: Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: A State official said the treaty would "reduce the risk that international transfers of conventional arms will be used to carry out the world's worst crimes," while protecting gun rights.

You mean like transferring weapons to Mexican drug cartels or Al Qaeda operatives? Yeah, someone probably should put a stop to that.

I agree. The Bush family should have never done those things, either

Okay. So what?

I guess I should have asked you the same thing

Okay. So what?

You brought up the b-b-but Bush. Do you get tired of that? It's sort of a non-point. It's like something you reflexively spit up into the thread.

He's saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Ooooooh, right, "Those who criticize Obama all unquestionably supported Bush at all times!" That's interesting since I voted against the guy twice.

You can't seem to find anyone who admitted to voting for Bush nowadays.


Fine. I voted third party by absentee ballot in 2000 and for Michael Badnarik in 2004. I also voted for Ron Paul as a Reform Party candidate in Louisiana in 2008 and for Gary Johnson in 2012. I voted Perot in1992 (not proud of it, but there it is) and didn't vote in 1996 because I was in law school and never bothered to send my absentee ballot back to SC. Any other questions on my voting.
 
2013-09-25 11:30:51 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Oh good,  Lucky LaRue is trying their good old-fashioned "both sides are bad so vote third party even if you agree with the Democratic party more often on substantive issues."

There's nothing worse than someone who just refuses to join the Democratic cause wholeheartedly, is there?

Eh? That's not what I said. He (or she) is trying to posit that you should believe both sides are the same, despite all evidence to the contrary. Do YOU think that both sides are equal?


If by "both sides" you mean that I am talking about the far-left and the far-right and by "the same" you are suggesting that I am implying that they are both bat-shiat insane comedic relief to the real political process that happens in the middle, then I suppose you have my position pretty well nailed down.
 
2013-09-25 11:30:53 AM  

Nabb1: Fine. I voted third party by absentee ballot in 2000 and for Michael Badnarik in 2004. I also voted for Ron Paul as a Reform Party candidate in Louisiana in 2008


You're crazier than I thought. Ron Paul in 2008? Jesus Christ.
 
2013-09-25 11:31:15 AM  

Summercat: FarkedOver: Jackson Herring: I mean Oarrack

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x427]

[www.mainstreetvacuum.com image 500x500]
You mean Orek Obummer! I knew he sucked!

I giggled outloud.

Also, another tangent: What does IOKNAR or wahtever that acronym mean?


I second this motion for acronym clarification.
...and would it kill yall to explain this whole "BOB" thing?
 
2013-09-25 11:31:24 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lucky LaRue: So, let me get this straight:  Fox New is ridiculing Kerry for political theater and MSNBC is ridiculing Cruz for political theater.  And you guys actually choose between these two sides?

Well is trying to stop a bad law from affecting the American people, in a very attention whorish way. The other is undermining the credibility of the country he is servicing in the eyes of the international community, in a very attention whorish way.


So if Cruz makes it happens he helps the American people, there is no up side of what Kerry is doing.

So, vote Republican


How exactly is the ACA a "bad law?"  Please show your work.  Derp doesn't count as evidence.
 
2013-09-25 11:31:26 AM  
It's stupid diplomatic masturbation like this that makes the USA look like international liars and idiots. If it is foregone that our Senate will not ratify a treaty, it actually damages our international standing to sign that treaty. It makes us look dishonest. Kerry should know this, so he is knowingly acting in a way that will hurt the USA just to score political points. Someone please explain to me how Democrats materially differ from Republicans, again?
 
2013-09-25 11:31:41 AM  

Lucky LaRue: If by "both sides" you mean that I am talking about the far-left and the far-right and by "the same" you are suggesting that I am implying that they are both bat-shiat insane comedic relief to the real political process that happens in the middle, then I suppose you have my position pretty well nailed down


So your position is that the main leadership of the GOP is precisely the same as the fringe of the Democratic party. Okay, that's a little better.
 
2013-09-25 11:32:08 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: GOP-like behavior detected


and we're done.
 
2013-09-25 11:32:19 AM  

Silly_Sot: If it is foregone that our Senate will not ratify a treaty, it actually damages our international standing to sign that treaty. It makes us look dishonest.


You've got to be kidding. This is maybe the least illogical thing I've read today.
 
2013-09-25 11:33:14 AM  
Whoops, least logical, most illogical. Pick one.
 
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