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2013-09-25 11:52:07 AM

Dimensio: Senator Mike Lee has claimed that the "American People" "stood up" to advocate a defunding of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. At what time did that occur?


I dunno, but it sure wasn't during any of the times they were asked about it by numerous polling agencies that consistently showed a majority of Americans oppose defunding the law.
 
2013-09-25 11:52:09 AM

Corvus: Hahaha he is explaining to Republicans that this really doesn't do anything at all.

Republicans are calling him out.


I wish they would [insert pretty much any other action verb] him out instead.
 
2013-09-25 11:53:04 AM
Good news is, if it's not a legitimate filibuster, there are ways to shut the whole thing down.

/recycled from the last thread
 
2013-09-25 11:54:35 AM

russlar: Good news is, if it's not a legitimate filibuster, there are ways to shut the whole thing down.

/recycled from the last thread


Well played.
 
2013-09-25 11:55:44 AM
Five minutes remain. Will Senator Cruz acknowledge Senate rules, or will he attempt to imply -- dishonestly -- that Senator Reid has circumvented typical Senate procedure?
 
2013-09-25 11:56:57 AM
There's something about Ted Cruz's face that makes it looks like it's a rubber mask. I can't help but expect that one day on the floor of the senate he will open his collar, reach down just below his neck, and in one sweeping motion pull the mask off to reveal he's really Andy Kaufman.
 
2013-09-25 11:57:24 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Don't listen.

Judging  from the replies it would seem that most if not all of you took my advice.


Some of us have jobs, man.

Tell us what gems we missed, we were all hoping you were taking notes.
 
2013-09-25 11:57:25 AM

doubled99: This is a very brave man going to heroic lengths to save this country.


It's a sad when it becomes impossible to tell the difference between a serious comment or satire,
 
2013-09-25 11:58:24 AM

James!: Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Don't listen.

Judging  from the replies it would seem that most if not all of you took my advice.

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Bravo
 
2013-09-25 11:58:41 AM
Senator Cruz will be on Rush Limbaugh at 1 PM. I suppose that means he won't be in the cloture vote to record a no?
 
2013-09-25 11:59:59 AM

MmmCrime: Senator Cruz will be on Rush Limbaugh at 1 PM. I suppose that means he won't be in the cloture vote to record a no?


He can't even vote "Present" if he's not there.
 
2013-09-25 12:00:01 PM

Dimensio: Five minutes remain. Will Senator Cruz acknowledge Senate rules, or will he attempt to imply -- dishonestly -- that Senator Reid has circumvented typical Senate procedure?


Ha already admitted to Reid that there was a cut off about 15mins ago. But Reid explained to him it was 1pm not noon.

He and said "he was wrapping it up" showing his "Until I drop" was total BS.
 
2013-09-25 12:00:14 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Don't listen.

Judging  from the replies it would seem that most if not all of you took my advice.

Some of us have jobs, man.

Tell us what gems we missed, we were all hoping you were taking notes.


Senator Cruz repeatedly reiterated that the citizens of the United States of America have consistently asked Congress to defund the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act. He did not, however, identify the method that he utilized to unskew survey data.
 
2013-09-25 12:01:23 PM
Appropriately, the Republican plan for health care access to the poor is "pray".
 
2013-09-25 12:01:44 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Five minutes remain. Will Senator Cruz acknowledge Senate rules, or will he attempt to imply -- dishonestly -- that Senator Reid has circumvented typical Senate procedure?

Ha already admitted to Reid that there was a cut off about 15mins ago. But Reid explained to him it was 1pm not noon.

He and said "he was wrapping it up" showing his "Until I drop" was total BS.


He said they had to do the prayer but then he could ramble on until 1pm. It's funny because he is trying to look like he is fighting people but really he looks like a child.
 
2013-09-25 12:03:42 PM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Don't listen.

Judging  from the replies it would seem that most if not all of you took my advice.

Some of us have jobs, man.

Tell us what gems we missed, we were all hoping you were taking notes.

Senator Cruz repeatedly reiterated that the citizens of the United States of America have consistently asked Congress to defund the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act. He did not, however, identify the method that he utilized to unskew survey data.


He'd have been better off with his wigless drag routine, as you pointed out. But then I guess nobody would take him seriously, like everyone does now.
 
2013-09-25 12:04:28 PM
Anyone else gonna continue watching/listening to CSPAN the rest of the day to see how the vote goes? Could be fun.
 
2013-09-25 12:08:02 PM

MmmCrime: Anyone else gonna continue watching/listening to CSPAN the rest of the day to see how the vote goes? Could be fun.


I must provide service for two malfunctioning computers in a call center, eat, and take my automobile to a service center for an oil change. Unfortunately, I will be forced to miss much of the riveting oration of Senator Reid.
 
2013-09-25 12:09:24 PM

sprawl15: I_C_Weener: Barack OBama. Its a version of shortening a name...for numerous reasons. Like using W instead of President George W. Bush.

Exactly. The use of 'W' by President George W Bush and his campaign staff on officially licensed products to distinguish himself from the similarly named President George H W Bush is identical to some guy on the internet picking some letters to make up a new name for no reason and using it extensively to try to create a meme. Er, I meant numerous reasons, not 'no reason'. Some of the many reasons to make up the new name include: [**remember to put reasons here before commenting**]. I mean, just look at all those reasons.

I_C_Weener: BO makes sense. So does BOB. People complaining about this in a world where "text speak" is acceptable need to get over it. Of course some of those complaining think Obamacare is a bad word and complained when Mr. Obama was elected if people didn't post with a full President Barack Obama.

Again, I agree. BOB makes perfect sense as it fulfills the important role of keeping discussion on the topic of nicknames for the president instead of whatever the article happens to be about. I mean I guess what I'm trying to say is that the most important thing to remember here is "both sides are bad", even when you're facetiously comparing two names made up by the same 'side' to justify what many people are (unjustly, obviously) calling blatant threadjacking.


So...point proven I guess.
 
2013-09-25 12:09:59 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Don't listen.

Judging  from the replies it would seem that most if not all of you took my advice.

Some of us have jobs, man.

Tell us what gems we missed, we were all hoping you were taking notes.


Sen. Mike Lee discussed a childhood accident in which his foot was run over by a car driven by his father and spoke of his longing to be a pirate. Cruz recalled his first Christmas dinner with his future wife's vegetarian parents, which he described as "just like any other Christmas dinner except the entree never comes."
 
2013-09-25 12:10:48 PM

MmmCrime: Anyone else gonna continue watching/listening to CSPAN the rest of the day to see how the vote goes? Could be fun.


I'm gonna listen! I have a kid, home sick, asleep on the couch, I'm not going anywhere!
 
2013-09-25 12:11:18 PM

Dimensio: Am I alone in believing that Senator Cruz resembles a wigless drag queen?


There is something odd about his face.  I can't put my finger on it.
 
2013-09-25 12:12:41 PM

Corvus: Dimensio: Five minutes remain. Will Senator Cruz acknowledge Senate rules, or will he attempt to imply -- dishonestly -- that Senator Reid has circumvented typical Senate procedure?

Ha already admitted to Reid that there was a cut off about 15mins ago. But Reid explained to him it was 1pm not noon.


He probably said to himself, "Oh shiat. Another hour?!?!".
 
2013-09-25 12:13:53 PM

Mistymtnhop: MmmCrime: Anyone else gonna continue watching/listening to CSPAN the rest of the day to see how the vote goes? Could be fun.

I'm gonna listen! I have a kid, home sick, asleep on the couch, I'm not going anywhere!


Okay, I'm afraid I spoke too soon, I can't listen to Turtle man. I'll flip it back soon as he's done.
 
2013-09-25 12:20:55 PM

Mistymtnhop: Mistymtnhop: MmmCrime: Anyone else gonna continue watching/listening to CSPAN the rest of the day to see how the vote goes? Could be fun.

I'm gonna listen! I have a kid, home sick, asleep on the couch, I'm not going anywhere!

Okay, I'm afraid I spoke too soon, I can't listen to Turtle man. I'll flip it back soon as he's done.


Gotta take the good with the bad sir, there are both great and poor orators on both sides. But Dickie D is up now, reppin' the crookedest state in the land. It's all good.
 
2013-09-25 12:24:46 PM
Is Senator Sessions (R-Alabama) unaware that Senator Scott Brown was not re-elected in 2012, undermining Mr. Session's use of Mr. Brown's election as a popular referendum on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?
 
2013-09-25 12:27:56 PM

Dimensio: Appropriately, the Republican plan for health care access to the poor is "pray".


...and hope we all die young.
 
2013-09-25 12:28:09 PM

Dimensio: Is Senator Sessions (R-Alabama) unaware that Senator Scott Brown was not re-elected in 2012, undermining Mr. Session's use of Mr. Brown's election as a popular referendum on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?


god, I can only hope that Warren steps up next :D
 
2013-09-25 12:39:09 PM
hot damn, the comments on CSPAN are worse than the ones here:

"Douche alert #McCain is speaking for the #Democrats NOT for Americans! #DefundObamacare "
 
2013-09-25 12:39:53 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Tell us what gems we missed


This is what he read:

Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:
When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.
Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.
Now this vision has come back to haunt us.
Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week's huge accommodation for the employer community-extending the statutorily mandated "December 31, 2013" deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.
Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:
First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees' work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers' hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.

Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.
And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won't receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they'll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.
On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.
We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.
We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.
We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.
James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Joseph Hansen
International President
UFCW
D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE
 
2013-09-25 12:40:20 PM

Dimensio: HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Don't listen.

Judging  from the replies it would seem that most if not all of you took my advice.

Some of us have jobs, man.

Tell us what gems we missed, we were all hoping you were taking notes.

Senator Cruz repeatedly reiterated that the citizens of the United States of America have consistently asked Congress to defund the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act. He did not, however, identify the method that he utilized to unskew survey data.


So, is some PS artist going to 'shop his blurry face onto the Fatty in the Pines pic?
 
2013-09-25 12:40:34 PM
I don't mind McCain sometimes, but I like what he's stating here. Respect the outcome of elections.
 
2013-09-25 12:40:39 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Dancin_In_Anson: Don't listen.

Judging  from the replies it would seem that most if not all of you took my advice.


riight, we missed something important did we?

do tell.
I'll get you started:

Today I listened to Ted Cruz's fake filibuster and I learned ________________...
go ahead

while you're at it care to admit Ted botched an attempt to use a children's story as a metaphor proving his point? Instead he proved that he didn't think his use of "green eggs & ham" through before he jumped into it....or...or, my theory...he doesn't seem to get the point of story.

maybe I'm wrong. help me out.
here's how I see it:

ACA = green eggs and ham
Cruz = the kid who wont try the ACA
Obama = the guy assuring him it's actually a good thing

how about you?
 
2013-09-25 12:45:52 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: This is what he read:


lol
he's pretty worried about the unions huh?

They don't seem to like the minimum requirements for coverage (crap plans).  Too bad, this can't work otherwise.
Without that people would just attempt to get around required coverage with empty plans that are mainly just for show, right?
 
2013-09-25 12:46:03 PM
So this is the thread where Republicans cheer the foreign-born son of a guy who fought for Castro reading a leader from a union thug on the Senate floor
 
2013-09-25 12:48:23 PM

Dimensio: Am I alone in believing that Senator Cruz resembles a wigless drag queen?


Why are Liberals so afraid of a strong conservative female impersonator?
 
2013-09-25 12:49:37 PM
I found this... but I'm not sure what it means... seems to fit with his Dr Seuss theme... perhaps he's a barbaloot at heart who frolics about in his barbaloot suit when no one's watching him pretend to filibuster.

winnietoons.com

sorry about the size... couldn't find a smaller one and didn't feel it was worth the effort to resize and rehost...
 
2013-09-25 12:52:32 PM
Lol, Chucky S from NY is mentioning the green eggs and ham discussion. Well played.
 
2013-09-25 12:54:19 PM
Haha. Chuck Schumer calling out Cruz for reading Green Eggs & Ham, where the moral is 'try it, you might like it'.
 
2013-09-25 12:59:58 PM

MmmCrime: I don't mind McCain sometimes, but I like what he's stating here. Respect the outcome of elections.


He is a true RINO.
 
2013-09-25 01:00:21 PM

MmmCrime: Lol, Chucky S from NY is mentioning the green eggs and ham discussion. Well played.


so Ted's biggest accomplishments from this little piece of theater have been

1) impressing the morbidly infromed
2) creating a situation in which the dems have to explain a children's story to him.
 
2013-09-25 01:04:18 PM

BinderWoman: Haha. Chuck Schumer calling out Cruz for reading Green Eggs & Ham, where the moral is 'try it, you might like it'.


awesome.
 
2013-09-25 01:11:08 PM

Darth Macho: James!: He'll have to stop talking in a half hour when the Senate reconvenes.

So this whole stunt is essentially the equivalent of me asking my boss if I can sit behind his desk and make important decisions as long as the shop is closed and I have to scram when he comes back in the morning.

Brilliant. Conservatives have decided to run their own separate Congress where they get to win because NO DEMOCRATS ALLOWED. We should charge them for renting out the Capitol.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-09-25 01:12:54 PM

Thrag: There's something about Ted Cruz's face that makes it looks like it's a rubber mask. I can't help but expect that one day on the floor of the senate he will open his collar, reach down just below his neck, and in one sweeping motion pull the mask off to reveal he's really Andy Kaufman.


God I hope not.

Borat maybe.
 
2013-09-25 01:15:48 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Tell us what gems we missed

This is what he read:

Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:
When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.
Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.
Now this vision has come back to haunt us.
Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week's huge accommodation for the employer community-extending the statutorily mandated "December 31, 2013" deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.
Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:
First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees' work hours be ...


Oh that? Yeah Obama already explained to the unions that they cannot have what they want.
 
2013-09-25 01:32:03 PM
Your rhyme and meter does not match Dr. Seuss.

/submitted this with a better headline
 
2013-09-25 01:34:08 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dancin_In_Anson: HotWingConspiracy: Tell us what gems we missed

This is what he read:
[...]

Oh that? Yeah Obama already explained to the unions that they cannot have what they want.


Did he at least also explain that, if they try sometimes, they can get what they need?
 
2013-09-25 01:41:46 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Oh that? Yeah Obama already explained to the unions that they cannot have what they want.


What a socialist anti-capitalist.

We should have seen this coming - a big reason for the unions was that American factory workers didn't have the same benefits as workers in other countries, never mind the fact that many of those benefits (health care, retirement, sick pay) were provided by the government in other countries. We didn't want to be "communist" over here so we demanded the employers provide it rather than the government.

With healthcare no longer tied to employment, unions will lose a major bargaining chip. Which isn't necessarily bad; most of the jobs with unions right now are doing pretty well; we need unions at Wal-Mart and other retailers more than we need truckers and car factory unions at the moment.
 
2013-09-25 01:44:04 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Obama already explained to the unions that they cannot have what they want


Let's remind ourselves what that was...

Dancin_In_Anson: the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.


Not yours! Can't have! How does the saying go? Oh yeah...

i1123.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-25 01:48:47 PM

encyclopediaplushuman: /submitted this with a better headline


Yeah, tell me about it. Mine was the bestest better headline in the history of ever.
 
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