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(The Smoking Gun)   Refugee family flees Chicago violence, settles under a pile of blankets on the streets of Madison, Wisconsin   (thesmokinggun.com) divider line 72
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2013-09-24 06:14:30 PM
Ah, the old Homer Simpson plan.  Just hide under some coats and hope that somehow everything will work out.
 
2013-09-24 07:12:10 PM
Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.
 
2013-09-24 07:17:24 PM

TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.


And thats's how we'll kill them after they take care of the snake problem.
 
2013-09-24 07:17:35 PM

TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.


Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...
 
2013-09-24 07:18:39 PM
Send in the U.N. aid!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-24 07:23:38 PM
This story has far too many holes.
 
2013-09-24 07:25:06 PM

ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...


Technically not as cold, but my god is that windchill factor a killer.
 
2013-09-24 07:25:33 PM
Cracking down on gang violence is an upper-middle-class, elitist white boy solution to a problem.
 
2013-09-24 07:27:30 PM

ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...


Overall I think Chi-town would be colder. Being the "windy city" and being by the lake having alot to do with it.
 
2013-09-24 07:38:39 PM

hitmanric: ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...

Overall I think Chi-town would be colder. Being the "windy city" and being by the lake having alot to do with it.


You obviously have no clue. Chicago is not the "Windy City" because of its weather patterns but because of the bluster of the city fathers back when they were fighting to get the Worlds Columbian Expo in 1892. Also, the lake keeps cities like Chicago and Milwaukee warmer in winter than surrounding areas. Madison gets pretty dang cold in winter.
 
2013-09-24 07:44:48 PM
Actually being close to the lake is relatively warmer. If the lake was colder than the land, you couldn't get Lake Effect Snow.  It's just the winds that are the killer there.

hitmanric: ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...

Overall I think Chi-town would be colder. Being the "windy city" and being by the lake having alot to do with it.

 
2013-09-24 07:46:19 PM

catmandu: hitmanric: ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...

Overall I think Chi-town would be colder. Being the "windy city" and being by the lake having alot to do with it.

You obviously have no clue. Chicago is not the "Windy City" because of its weather patterns but because of the bluster of the city fathers back when they were fighting to get the Worlds Columbian Expo in 1892. Also, the lake keeps cities like Chicago and Milwaukee warmer in winter than surrounding areas. Madison gets pretty dang cold in winter.


Close... but no.  It was called a "windy city" long before that:
http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/summary/
 
2013-09-24 07:50:55 PM

timujin: catmandu: hitmanric: ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...

Overall I think Chi-town would be colder. Being the "windy city" and being by the lake having alot to do with it.

You obviously have no clue. Chicago is not the "Windy City" because of its weather patterns but because of the bluster of the city fathers back when they were fighting to get the Worlds Columbian Expo in 1892. Also, the lake keeps cities like Chicago and Milwaukee warmer in winter than surrounding areas. Madison gets pretty dang cold in winter.

Close... but no.  It was called a "windy city" long before that:
http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/summary/


Ok, so my time frame was off but it doesn't change the fact that "Windy City" is still because of gasbags rather than atmospheric disturbances.
 
2013-09-24 07:55:24 PM
Relocating gang members is the key

//preferrably  to the bottom of lake michigan
 
2013-09-24 07:59:06 PM
Chicago sucks big donkey balls.  What a farked up, heap of shiat cesspool of humanity that place seems to be.  That one city gives the entire state of Florida a run for its money....
 
2013-09-24 08:00:40 PM

Government Fromage: Relocating gang members is the key

//preferrably  to the bottom of lake michigan


Your plan has merit. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-09-24 08:07:00 PM
Why the fark would you head north, in the fall, if you are homeless. This sounds like bs
 
2013-09-24 08:09:05 PM
This "Chicago" place of which they speak sounds awful
 
2013-09-24 08:12:20 PM

Feel_the_velvet: This "Chicago" place of which they speak sounds awful


lantawa: Chicago sucks big donkey balls.  What a farked up, heap of shiat cesspool of humanity that place seems to be.  That one city gives the entire state of Florida a run for its money....


Chicago's actually pretty ok if you avoid a few neighborhoods. Also avoid Wrigley Field if you don't want to feel suicidal.
 
2013-09-24 08:13:01 PM
It's better than cross fire worse than a real life. I'd take living under blankets vs the cross fire.
 
2013-09-24 08:13:16 PM

hitmanric: ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...

Overall I think Chi-town would be colder. Being the "windy city" and being by the lake having alot to do with it.


lake makes it farking cold & damp in winter.
 
2013-09-24 08:14:12 PM

chitownmike: Why the fark would you head north, in the fall, if you are homeless. This sounds like bs


QFT.   The homeless migrate south in the winter, like geese.  The smart ones stay there.

/never could understand how homeless people managed to get to Hawaii
 
2013-09-24 08:16:01 PM

Mistymtnhop: This story has far too many holes.


Probably from all the bullets
 
2013-09-24 08:17:40 PM
Why not institute a few gun control laws in Chicago, I'm told that is the answer to gun violence.
 
2013-09-24 08:18:39 PM
Hey man, at least it isn't Detroit.
 
2013-09-24 08:23:29 PM

Mrbogey: Cracking down on gang violence is an upper-middle-class, elitist white boy solution to a problem.


+1
 
2013-09-24 08:31:29 PM
I am sure they didn't leave until they heard "25 or 6 to 4" for the millionth time. I'd leave too....
 
2013-09-24 08:38:39 PM

panfried: Why not institute a few gun control laws in Chicago, I'm told that is the answer to gun violence.


lol
 
2013-09-24 08:46:25 PM

panfried: Why not institute a few gun control laws in Chicago, I'm told that is the answer to gun violence.


That's not going to work.  Get to the heart of the problem by banning murder.
 
2013-09-24 08:48:58 PM
Story doesn't make sense. Why go so far? Chicago's criminal violence is fairly well contained geographically. Crossing the street could be enough to be safe from mere random criminal activity in this regard. A move of a few miles or at the furthest into the suburbs would do well enough.

Now if some family members are part of criminal activity, that would start to make some sense why they fled north of the cheddar curtain.
 
2013-09-24 09:00:26 PM

leadmetal: Story doesn't make sense. Why go so far? Chicago's criminal violence is fairly well contained geographically. Crossing the street could be enough to be safe from mere random criminal activity in this regard. A move of a few miles or at the furthest into the suburbs would do well enough.

Now if some family members are part of criminal activity, that would start to make some sense why they fled north of the cheddar curtain.


"It was just too dangerous to stay; some people they knew were killed."

Maybe they witnessed the killing and feared being targeted next.
 
2013-09-24 09:08:02 PM
If you are in the ghetto of chicago, yeah one wrong street and you will be shot and killed. A family on vacation a while back did that, while cruising around visiting chicago for the first time made a wrong turn and when they tried to turn around to leave, they were gunned down.

Cops won't even go in those areas, and I don't blame them - a gun and a bullet proof vest only goes so far.
 
2013-09-24 09:09:50 PM

leadmetal: Story doesn't make sense. Why go so far? Chicago's criminal violence is fairly well contained geographically. Crossing the street could be enough to be safe from mere random criminal activity in this regard. A move of a few miles or at the furthest into the suburbs would do well enough.

Now if some family members are part of criminal activity, that would start to make some sense why they fled north of the cheddar curtain.


The story makes perfect sense.  We have a large number of people from Chicago who have relocated to Madison for the very same reason.  The only problem is that a lot of the violence they are trying to get away from is following them here.  My street is (relatively) quiet, but only a block away from low-income housing with a lot of Illinois plates in the parking lot, and we've had a number of incidents this year; my neighborhood and the rest of the city.  Not to say it's all Chicago refugees because I just don't know...
 
2013-09-24 09:15:20 PM
That's strange, I thought the Chicago transplants usually moved to Allied Drive.  Their SSI must not have kicked in yet.
 
2013-09-24 09:15:38 PM
Bad plan, Madison. Like type 3 screamers, they'll just let in more until they take over all your base.

Seriously though, let's Thunderdome Chicago.
 
2013-09-24 09:25:15 PM
I see a movie in the making.  Escape From Chicago
 
2013-09-24 09:25:16 PM

Molavian: That's strange, I thought the Chicago transplants usually moved to Allied Drive.  Their SSI must not have kicked in yet.


It's getting to be more N. Thompson Dr.; fortunately about 2 miles from me.
 
2013-09-24 09:36:27 PM

madcitymac: Molavian: That's strange, I thought the Chicago transplants usually moved to Allied Drive.  Their SSI must not have kicked in yet.

It's getting to be more N. Thompson Dr.; fortunately about 2 miles from me.


I used to live out on the west side off of Mineral Point, but I moved up here about 15 years ago or so now.
 
2013-09-24 09:43:34 PM
"They explained they had escaped the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago's South Side," police noted. The group, which was not seeking handouts, told the officer that they "fled Chicago from where a lot of shootings and deaths were occurring." The officer added, "It was just too dangerous to stay; some people they knew were killed."

/So by your thought process, you think dragging your entire family to live in the streets, with no money, no shelter, and no protection from the elements is "safer' than staying in a home where you were? Really? Idiots like this should have thier kids taken away, as they obviously lack any kind of good common sense.
 
2013-09-24 09:45:54 PM

catmandu: timujin: catmandu: hitmanric: ladyfortuna: TommyymmoT: Madison gets mighty cold in the winter.

Yeah, they're probably going to wander back to Chicago soon; I know it gets cold there too but not as soon I think...

Overall I think Chi-town would be colder. Being the "windy city" and being by the lake having alot to do with it.

You obviously have no clue. Chicago is not the "Windy City" because of its weather patterns but because of the bluster of the city fathers back when they were fighting to get the Worlds Columbian Expo in 1892. Also, the lake keeps cities like Chicago and Milwaukee warmer in winter than surrounding areas. Madison gets pretty dang cold in winter.

Close... but no.  It was called a "windy city" long before that:
http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/summary/

Ok, so my time frame was off but it doesn't change the fact that "Windy City" is still because of gasbags rather than atmospheric disturbances.


if you go back and read that link, you'll see that it isn't certain which reason came first.  Chicago was promoting itself as a "windy city" to increase summer tourism in the 1860's, about the same time that it and other cities were being referred to as "windy" because their citizen's were braggards.
 
2013-09-24 09:46:35 PM
*braggarts
 
2013-09-24 09:47:40 PM

Misconduc: If you are in the ghetto of chicago, yeah one wrong street and you will be shot and killed. A family on vacation a while back did that, while cruising around visiting chicago for the first time made a wrong turn and when they tried to turn around to leave, they were gunned down.

Cops won't even go in those areas, and I don't blame them - a gun and a bullet proof vest only goes so far.


Hm, couldn't find any links to any stories of a vacationing family being killed in Chicago for making a wrong turn.  Seems like that would be pretty big news, and that even if it was 'a while back' it would be rather easy to discover.  Unless this happened back in the 1880s or something, and they were in a wagon.  Then I probably would be unable to find the story.

According to the whiny cops posting here, they are out there every night putting their lives on the line in every war-zone neighborhood -- even on those hot summer nights after 'those people' get their welfare checks and run riot on cheap drugs and booze.  I'd love to know which neighborhoods these crybabies are too scared to patrol.

Please, point me to some sources.
 
2013-09-24 10:11:29 PM

murderguy: According to the whiny cops posting here, they are out there every night putting their lives on the line in every war-zone neighborhood -- even on those hot summer nights after 'those people' get their welfare checks and run riot on cheap drugs and booze. I'd love to know which neighborhoods these crybabies are too scared to patrol.


Have friends who are in the CPD who came up from my days growing up there. and it's gotten as bad as the Cabrini Green days. They patrol often and they know who lives where and what...but if they see someone out of the ordinary or don't recognize they will stop you. And here is the thing, if you aren't of the area and just happen to have taken a wrong turn, they will escort you the fark out until you get near a highway exit where they will promptly inform you to GTF and never come back.

As much as I love my home town, holy farking shiat things have gotten insane there.
 
2013-09-24 10:14:26 PM

MemeSlave: chitownmike: Why the fark would you head north, in the fall, if you are homeless. This sounds like bs

QFT.   The homeless migrate south in the winter, like geese.  The smart ones stay there.

/never could understand how homeless people managed to get to Hawaii


I spoke to a blackjack dealer in Las Vegas once.  Her nametag said she was from Hawaii, so I asked her how she ended up in Las Vegas.  She said she was born in Hawaii, but by the time she had graduated high school, she couldn't afford to live there anymore. So I doubt the homeless there are visitors, I figure they are probably natives who just ran out of resources.
 
2013-09-24 10:27:53 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: murderguy: According to the whiny cops posting here, they are out there every night putting their lives on the line in every war-zone neighborhood -- even on those hot summer nights after 'those people' get their welfare checks and run riot on cheap drugs and booze. I'd love to know which neighborhoods these crybabies are too scared to patrol.

Have friends who are in the CPD who came up from my days growing up there. and it's gotten as bad as the Cabrini Green days. They patrol often and they know who lives where and what...but if they see someone out of the ordinary or don't recognize they will stop you. And here is the thing, if you aren't of the area and just happen to have taken a wrong turn, they will escort you the fark out until you get near a highway exit where they will promptly inform you to GTF and never come back.

As much as I love my home town, holy farking shiat things have gotten insane there.


Yeah, I'm not questioning the level of crime, I'm just questioning the specific story of the vacationing family being 'gunned down' and the idea that cops are too scared to go to certain areas.  It's nonsense.

I'm thinking maybe sharpshooter training classes for gangsters, so that there's less collateral damage.
 
2013-09-24 10:41:01 PM
Considering Madison police are usually known to arrest homeless people or make them move away from where the rich white people of the city can't see them, they got off lucky.

For being a liberal city, Madison sure hates the homeless
 
2013-09-24 10:55:24 PM

Misconduc: A family on vacation a while back did that, while cruising around visiting chicago for the first time made a wrong turn and when they tried to turn around to leave, they were gunned down


Citation? I don't believe you. Did you get that from World Net Daily?
 
2013-09-24 11:07:34 PM
No way such goodness could happen a few yards from that SOB Scott Walker's office. NFW.
/I was a Badger back when Reagan was shot. Good times.
 
2013-09-24 11:30:26 PM

Internet Meme Rogers: Misconduc: A family on vacation a while back did that, while cruising around visiting chicago for the first time made a wrong turn and when they tried to turn around to leave, they were gunned down

Citation? I don't believe you. Did you get that from World Net Daily?


Googled the internet and first article was  http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-09-22/news/9509220279_1_gang- v iolence-street-gang-gang-problem
I guess random acts of violence don't exist in this world, sorry I couldn't find the original article this one is based on LA which made national attention not the one in chicago because that white family was poor.
Coming back from a Family BBQ only to get gunned down for no reason, do you need more of a citation? Probably not because clearly you never been to  compton, LA, chicago, miami, detroit, list goes on forever.

Funny I tried to google the family in detroit, nothing even comes up, probably not important considering it was years ago.
 
2013-09-24 11:42:12 PM
The problem is the blue and whites are told to find sometime to write a ticket on a guy dropping a piece of plastic or traffic instead of frisking the group of asshats on the corner. It's that, or they are afraid of groups of asshats.
/I been frisked this pass year with Sav-a-lot bags full of food, while the same group of guys sell weed a half a block sit there watching. The worst part is the same cops watched me walk in Sav-a-lot, pay and walk out.
Me: Why are you stopping me?
Cops: Just doing our job.
Me: Why not fark with those dude selling shiat over there(points in their direction)?
Cops: Shut up or you're going to jail!
\Really sick of people from suburbs or rural areas saying "stop and frisk should be legal because it will cut down on crime in x city) , sorry buddy stop and frisk has been around since minorities moved into big cities. The cops here are not doing it right
 
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