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2013-09-24 03:47:51 PM
www.wlsam.com

Really? This is the guy you trust to support you in your fight against heroin addiction? THIS GUY?!

/I'm pretty sure he started the support group to find better connections
 
2013-09-24 03:53:07 PM
You know we're dealing with a criminal mastermind when he tries to conceal his own heroin addiction by shooting up in his chin and forehead.
 
2013-09-24 03:57:25 PM
I think someone misunderstood the term "heroin abuse support".
 
2013-09-24 04:12:37 PM

johnsoninca: I think someone misunderstood the term "heroin abuse support".


Perhaps it was "Support heroin abuse"
 
2013-09-24 04:13:21 PM
Duh. Everybody knows the best place to hookup is rehab or a NA meeting.
 
2013-09-24 04:14:48 PM
Where else are you gonna find new customers without having to stand on a street corner?
 
2013-09-24 04:15:14 PM
He's still looking for self-acceptance

devour.com
 
2013-09-24 04:16:31 PM
Well, he was supporting heroin
 
2013-09-24 04:39:41 PM
Dude, you can never catch the dragon.
 
2013-09-24 04:41:25 PM
You didn't think he was supporting the rehab part, do you?
 
2013-09-24 04:41:51 PM

slayer199: He's still looking for self-acceptance

[devour.com image 314x170]


Came for this.

\now I have to change my pants
\\no, not really
 
2013-09-24 04:43:05 PM
Can you think of a better way to find customers?
 
2013-09-24 04:46:16 PM
Should have used the Obvious tag.
 
2013-09-24 04:46:20 PM

slayer199: He's still looking for self-acceptance

[devour.com image 314x170]


vejasp.abril.com.br
 
2013-09-24 04:47:00 PM
I hear that blue stuff is back on the market.
 
2013-09-24 04:51:07 PM

vernonFL: Duh. Everybody knows the best place to hookup is rehab or a NA meeting.


This. You gotta be high on something to buy that 12-step crap.
 
2013-09-24 04:53:01 PM
I met this woman once who had gone to a 30day rehab for addiction to Xanax.  The day she got out, there was a limo, provided by the rehab facility, to take her home.  The driver immediately offered to sell her some Xanax.

Sometimes it really helps to position yourself in the best place to find new customers.
 
2013-09-24 04:55:50 PM

durbnpoisn: The driver immediately offered to sell her some Xanax.


so... is she still holdin' or what????

/not serious, my doggie is my anti-anexiety drug of choice...
 
2013-09-24 04:56:35 PM
Serious question. I understand that one can become addicted physically to heroin. Not doubting that. But let's say, hypothetically, there were no more heroin on the planet.  A plague came and wiped out all forms of opiates. After the initial withdrawal, would an addict no longer be an addict?  Do you see where I'm going with this philosophically?  You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?
 
2013-09-24 04:57:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: [www.wlsam.com image 412x231]

Really? This is the guy you trust to support you in your fight against heroin addiction? THIS GUY?!

/I'm pretty sure he started the support group to find better connections


That was my thought. He wanted a steady supply of potential customers.
 
2013-09-24 04:57:36 PM
He didn't kill any dogs did he?
 
2013-09-24 04:59:12 PM

durbnpoisn: I met this woman once who had gone to a 30day rehab for addiction to Xanax.  The day she got out, there was a limo, provided by the rehab facility, to take her home.  The driver immediately offered to sell her some Xanax.

Sometimes it really helps to position yourself in the best place to find new customers.


I know someone who, after his failed first attempt to drink himself to death, went from his hospital bed straight to the bar. His second try a year later was successful.
 
2013-09-24 04:59:29 PM
This is pretty typical at 12 step fellowships. Lots of OSMs deal drugs or run pimp out the women. :(
 
2013-09-24 05:01:07 PM

nickdaisy: Serious question. I understand that one can become addicted physically to heroin. Not doubting that. But let's say, hypothetically, there were no more heroin on the planet.  A plague came and wiped out all forms of opiates. After the initial withdrawal, would an addict no longer be an addict?  Do you see where I'm going with this philosophically?  You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?


I think most addicts would switch to some other intoxicant, most likely liquor.
 
2013-09-24 05:01:54 PM

nickdaisy: Serious question. I understand that one can become addicted physically to heroin. Not doubting that. But let's say, hypothetically, there were no more heroin on the planet.  A plague came and wiped out all forms of opiates. After the initial withdrawal, would an addict no longer be an addict?  Do you see where I'm going with this philosophically?  You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?


While it is true that the addiction to heroin won't kill you upon withdrawal, by all accounts it feels like it's going to.
This is why other opiates are normally used for recovering addicts.  In essence, though, you are right.  If there were no longer any heroin or substitutes, the currents addicts would survive.

But keep in mind, it's a behavioral issue as much as a physical addiction.  So they would likely find something else, if they were determined.
 
2013-09-24 05:02:24 PM
"it's like raaaain on your wedding day"
 
2013-09-24 05:02:35 PM
Recreational drug use should be legal for all substances, because people like this would mostly quit bothering the rest of us and they would die faster.
 
2013-09-24 05:05:46 PM

nickdaisy: Serious question. I understand that one can become addicted physically to heroin. Not doubting that. But let's say, hypothetically, there were no more heroin on the planet.  A plague came and wiped out all forms of opiates. After the initial withdrawal, would an addict no longer be an addict?  Do you see where I'm going with this philosophically?  You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?


life experience zero. good for you, Xbox guy.
 
2013-09-24 05:06:17 PM

durbnpoisn: it's a behavioral issue as much as a physical addiction


At least as much. Maybe more. Alcoholism isn't about the alcohol at all, even though it's completely about the alcohol. It's tricky to explain.
 
2013-09-24 05:11:05 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: it's a behavioral issue as much as a physical addiction

At least as much. Maybe more. Alcoholism isn't about the alcohol at all, even though it's completely about the alcohol. It's tricky to explain.


If tv documentaries have taught me anything it's that no audience can understand even the tiniest bit of complexity and that you must simplify all subjects to kindergarten levels.
 
2013-09-24 05:11:15 PM

nickdaisy: Serious question. I understand that one can become addicted physically to heroin. Not doubting that. But let's say, hypothetically, there were no more heroin on the planet.  A plague came and wiped out all forms of opiates. After the initial withdrawal, would an addict no longer be an addict?  Do you see where I'm going with this philosophically?  You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?


If you asked that while giggling and passing around a bong made from a Coke can, you'd be half the people I went to college with.

/I'll get back to you after I've done some, ah, contemplation on the subject
 
2013-09-24 05:11:19 PM
Addicts are addicts for life. The IRONIC tag and the OBVIOUS tag battle to get the next fix.
 
2013-09-24 05:13:43 PM
Sham69

/for people that have actually known heroin addicts
 
2013-09-24 05:20:56 PM
all im saying is every methadone clinic i have ever seen or worked at is little more than a legla drug dealer with zero interest in habit breaking.
 
2013-09-24 05:25:13 PM
So wait, does he support heroin or does he support heroin users?

/can it be both?
 
2013-09-24 05:28:59 PM

Daeva: all im saying is every methadone clinic i have ever seen or worked at is little more than a legla drug dealer with zero interest in habit breaking.


people who are paid to not care about you don't say!

Social workers have lots of blood on there hands

especially since most drug councilors are ex "junkies" those that are given free rein and money blah this all makes me want to vomit.

you get the best of both worlds to be a junkie and to be judgmental and paid all at the same time sickining
 
2013-09-24 05:29:57 PM
I have a felling his conversation with the cops back at the station went something like this.

Cops: Hey, aren't you that heroin support group guy that was on T.V.?

Peter Rundo:

www.wlsam.com
 
2013-09-24 05:32:02 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

You are addicted to drugs.

/I tried to be an alcoholic, but it turns out that I don't like alcohol enough to become one
//Only thing that I am addicted to is my wife's juBBlies
 
2013-09-24 05:33:57 PM

Demonrats: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 400x373]

You are addicted to drugs.

/I tried to be an alcoholic, but it turns out that I don't like alcohol enough to become one
//Only thing that I am addicted to is my wife's juBBlies


try meth don't give up !

/but don't be late for the gym in 26 min
//bonus you can participate in the breaking bad treads
 
2013-09-24 05:35:43 PM
what I think is funny is how recovering addicts seem to ALWAYS become addiction councilors.
/even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions
//they have no skills to offer society other then the fact they were junkies.
 
2013-09-24 05:42:14 PM

one-in-the-chamber: what I think is funny is how recovering addicts seem to ALWAYS become addiction councilors.
/even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions
//they have no skills to offer society other then the fact they were junkies.


Or maybe they were in a very dark place once and no how it feels for others who are there now and want to help them get out of that place.
 
2013-09-24 05:45:22 PM

nickdaisy: You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?


No, it's not true for any drug.  There's potential for relapse, but many or most people that quit are fine after the initial withdrawal, apart from pre-existing impulse control problems that got them in trouble in the first place.

AA and so on are quite literally a scam for profit, they have nothing to do with actual truth or science whatsoever.
 
2013-09-24 05:45:44 PM

one-in-the-chamber: /even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions


This. While you can admire their efforts, if someone's ONLY accomplishment was being and addict then getting clean - it's still a pretty unfulfilled life.
 
2013-09-24 05:45:59 PM
img.fark.net

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-24 05:47:42 PM

Jim_Callahan: nickdaisy: You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?

No, it's not true for any drug.  There's potential for relapse, but many or most people that quit are fine after the initial withdrawal, apart from pre-existing impulse control problems that got them in trouble in the first place.

AA and so on are quite literally a scam for profit, they have nothing to do with actual truth or science whatsoever.


AA is a religious organization. Why would you think for a second there's science involved?
 
2013-09-24 05:49:46 PM

Jim_Callahan: nickdaisy: You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?

No, it's not true for any drug.  There's potential for relapse, but many or most people that quit are fine after the initial withdrawal, apart from pre-existing impulse control problems that got them in trouble in the first place.

AA and so on are quite literally a scam for profit, they have nothing to do with actual truth or science whatsoever.


What profit does AA get? What AA does is to help people cope with the impulse to use again by helping them talk through it, helping them understand why they have the impulses and helping them learn coping mechanism to deal with it.

But you won't understand any of this. Should have figured you were an idiot when you said AA was a scam for profits.
 
2013-09-24 05:49:48 PM

Somaticasual: one-in-the-chamber: /even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions

This. While you can admire their efforts, if someone's ONLY accomplishment was being and addict then getting clean - it's still a pretty unfulfilled life.


Unless they help others.

/but yea, those without accomplishments are a drag on society.
 
2013-09-24 05:50:36 PM

one-in-the-chamber: what I think is funny is how recovering addicts seem to ALWAYS become addiction councilors.
/even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions
//they have no skills to offer society other then the fact they were junkies.


It's the twelfth step..
 
2013-09-24 05:53:22 PM

Somaticasual: one-in-the-chamber: /even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions

This. While you can admire their efforts, if someone's ONLY accomplishment was being and addict then getting clean - it's still a pretty unfulfilled life.


So let's just convert every rehab or counseling center into a suicide booth.  I mean, why bother then, right?
 
2013-09-24 05:56:07 PM

Somaticasual: one-in-the-chamber: /even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions

This. While you can admire their efforts, if someone's ONLY accomplishment was being and addict then getting clean - it's still a pretty unfulfilled life.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-24 05:59:18 PM

one-in-the-chamber: what I think is funny is how recovering addicts seem to ALWAYS become addiction councilors.
/even though they *maybe* clean their whole life still needs to revolve around their addictions
//they have no skills to offer society other then the fact they were junkies.


That hasn't been my experience at all. Very few of us actually become counsellors, the rest that I know are car salesmen, teachers, nurses, loan officers, truck drivers, cops, welders, pretty much every part of society.
 
2013-09-24 06:10:56 PM
He's not nearly as dangerous as the Money junkies that reside in the flop house known as Wall st.
 
2013-09-24 06:12:57 PM

albatros183: try meth don't give up !


Looks to me like Mr. Peter Rundo has a meth face. I'm surprised I had to get this far into the thread to find any mention of meth at all.
 
2013-09-24 06:13:19 PM

Jim_Callahan: nickdaisy: You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?

No, it's not true for any drug.  There's potential for relapse, but many or most people that quit are fine after the initial withdrawal, apart from pre-existing impulse control problems that got them in trouble in the first place.

AA and so on are quite literally a scam for profit, they have nothing to do with actual truth or science whatsoever.


And what color are the skies in your world because here on earth even the best anti-addiction program can only claim 10% success rate. 5-10% if the addict stays with SOME sort of support group almost nil with no support after detox. Support need not be a 12 step program but there does need to be some support.
 
2013-09-24 06:21:52 PM

ReverendJimBobHammer: Jim_Callahan: nickdaisy: You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?

No, it's not true for any drug.  There's potential for relapse, but many or most people that quit are fine after the initial withdrawal, apart from pre-existing impulse control problems that got them in trouble in the first place.

AA and so on are quite literally a scam for profit, they have nothing to do with actual truth or science whatsoever.

And what color are the skies in your world because here on earth even the best anti-addiction program can only claim 10% success rate. 5-10% if the addict stays with SOME sort of support group almost nil with no support after detox. Support need not be a 12 step program but there does need to be some support.


As a real-life alcoholic and AA member, I can attest that the only thing that got me sober was a sponsor and the fellowship of some pretty cool AA members.  It's not religious, it's spiritual.
I know there's a lot of jokes and misinformation, but some of us are pretty thankful that it's there.  And if you don't need it or want it, don't go.
 
2013-09-24 06:23:52 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: it's a behavioral issue as much as a physical addiction

At least as much. Maybe more. Alcoholism isn't about the alcohol at all, even though it's completely about the alcohol. It's tricky to explain.


Alcohol can very seriously become about the alcohol as much as the habit.  This is where the DT's come in to play.  If you drink every day for a while, when you stop you will have physical withdrawal symptoms like shaking and nausea.  And that's not mental.  The only way to stop the effects is to drink alcohol.  Or to detox completely.  If detox is not done properly once it reaches this point, your liver will fail, and it will probably kill you.

So don't discount alcohol as breezily as the TV commercials do.
 
2013-09-24 06:27:39 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: albatros183: try meth don't give up !

Looks to me like Mr. Peter Rundo has a meth face. I'm surprised I had to get this far into the thread to find any mention of meth at all.


I think the several Breaking Bad references before that post counts.
 
2013-09-24 06:30:06 PM

ongbok: What profit does AA get?


They run on about half donations from members, and half on government subsidies.  The fact that they're getting "donations" from people that are explicitly in a position of emotional vulnerability, the abuses have been pretty obvious and well-documented, there's a reason donations are hard-capped at 3k$/year now.  It's essentially a cult-scam, though obviously less outright malicious than, say, Scientology.  But the fact that that's where the bar is set gives you some idea of how bad it can get.

Kinda weird to have someone react with the "you don't even know" defense when they don't know the most basic things about the organization and its fellows.

ReverendJimBobHammer: And what color are the skies in your world because here on earth even the best anti-addiction program can only claim 10% success rate.


No, AA and its fellow religious organizations can only claim 10%.

For reference, individuals going cold turkey with no support have a 15% success rate.

Drug-based treatments and actual, real psychiatric care generally show somewhere between 30 and 40% success rate, depending on the study in question.

AA is literally worse than not seeking treatment at all in terms of relapse.

So, no, fark off, cult-boy, the world doesn't bend to your need to appease your cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-09-24 06:32:36 PM
Most herons don't need the support, as long as they have one leg to stand on.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-09-24 06:48:27 PM

brap: You know we're dealing with a criminal mastermind when he tries to conceal his own heroin addiction by shooting up in his chin and forehead.


That's acne. There are no major veins in your forehead or chin.
 
2013-09-24 06:54:30 PM

durbnpoisn: Fuggin Bizzy: durbnpoisn: it's a behavioral issue as much as a physical addiction

At least as much. Maybe more. Alcoholism isn't about the alcohol at all, even though it's completely about the alcohol. It's tricky to explain.

Alcohol can very seriously become about the alcohol as much as the habit.  This is where the DT's come in to play.  If you drink every day for a while, when you stop you will have physical withdrawal symptoms like shaking and nausea.  And that's not mental.  The only way to stop the effects is to drink alcohol.  Or to detox completely.  If detox is not done properly once it reaches this point, your liver will fail, and it will probably kill you.

So don't discount alcohol as breezily as the TV commercials do.


I'm not dismissing anything. Like I said: it's completely about the alcohol.

/Only it's not. It's tricky.
 
2013-09-24 07:15:07 PM

Jim_Callahan: ongbok: What profit does AA get?

They run on about half donations from members, and half on government subsidies.  The fact that they're getting "donations" from people that are explicitly in a position of emotional vulnerability, the abuses have been pretty obvious and well-documented, there's a reason donations are hard-capped at 3k$/year now.  It's essentially a cult-scam, though obviously less outright malicious than, say, Scientology.  But the fact that that's where the bar is set gives you some idea of how bad it can get.

Kinda weird to have someone react with the "you don't even know" defense when they don't know the most basic things about the organization and its fellows.


Why can't they get donations from the people they are helping? Other rehab places charge people for their service, in fact they require payment. Does AA require donations? No they don't. And I am willing to say nobody is profiting of of the donations or government subsidies.
 
2013-09-24 07:18:08 PM
i have a child hood buddy who is now a cop, and the rumor is he attends AA meetings, pretending he has a problem, but in actuality, he's there to glean the seamy underbelly of society and make arrests.
 
2013-09-24 07:20:45 PM

symptomoftheuniverse: nickdaisy: Serious question. I understand that one can become addicted physically to heroin. Not doubting that. But let's say, hypothetically, there were no more heroin on the planet.  A plague came and wiped out all forms of opiates. After the initial withdrawal, would an addict no longer be an addict?  Do you see where I'm going with this philosophically?  You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?

I think most addicts would switch to some other intoxicant, most likely liquor.


I used to know a couple who'd been heroin addicts (and any other drug they could find). After they kicked the drugs, they switched to alcohol and became hardcore drunkies. Ironically, they'd still brag to anybody who'd listen about how they kicked heroin. While hitting them up for beer, wine, liquor, etc.

/They did have some wild stories about living the druggie life in NYC in the 70s, though.
 
2013-09-24 08:12:07 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Recreational drug use should be legal for all substances, because people like this would mostly quit bothering the rest of us and they would die faster.


But Obamacare.
 
2013-09-24 08:26:32 PM

Jim_Callahan: ongbok: What profit does AA get?

They run on about half donations from members, and half on government subsidies.  The fact that they're getting "donations" from people that are explicitly in a position of emotional vulnerability, the abuses have been pretty obvious and well-documented, there's a reason donations are hard-capped at 3k$/year now.  It's essentially a cult-scam, though obviously less outright malicious than, say, Scientology.  But the fact that that's where the bar is set gives you some idea of how bad it can get.

Kinda weird to have someone react with the "you don't even know" defense when they don't know the most basic things about the organization and its fellows.

ReverendJimBobHammer: And what color are the skies in your world because here on earth even the best anti-addiction program can only claim 10% success rate.

No, AA and its fellow religious organizations can only claim 10%.

For reference, individuals going cold turkey with no support have a 15% success rate.

Drug-based treatments and actual, real psychiatric care generally show somewhere between 30 and 40% success rate, depending on the study in question.


I have never heard of a 30 to 40% success rate. Citation please.
 
2013-09-24 08:32:59 PM
durbnpoisn:

Alcohol can very seriously become about the alcohol as much as the habit.  This is where the DT's come in to play.  If you drink every day for a while, when you stop you will have physical withdrawal symptoms like shaking and nausea.  And that's not mental.  The only way to stop the effects is to drink alcohol.  Or to detox completely.  If detox is not done properly once it reaches this point, your liver will fail, and it will probably kill you.


Any benzo will help you detox.  And it's not generally liver failure that's going to kill you when you're withdrawing, it's the seizures and the complications which arise from them.
 
2013-09-24 10:42:32 PM
Well it was heroin and it was supportive of addictions, so not too far off the mark.
 
2013-09-24 11:51:51 PM

punkhippie: vernonFL: Duh. Everybody knows the best place to hookup is rehab or a NA meeting.

This. You gotta be high on something to buy that 12-step crap.


belladonna usually helps.
 
2013-09-24 11:57:02 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: It's not religious, it's spiritual


That's like saying you're not gang affiliated, you're criminal.
 
2013-09-25 01:18:23 AM

BigGrnEggGriller: ReverendJimBobHammer: Jim_Callahan: nickdaisy: You always hear the "once an addict always an addict" axiom, but is that really true?

No, it's not true for any drug.  There's potential for relapse, but many or most people that quit are fine after the initial withdrawal, apart from pre-existing impulse control problems that got them in trouble in the first place.

AA and so on are quite literally a scam for profit, they have nothing to do with actual truth or science whatsoever.

And what color are the skies in your world because here on earth even the best anti-addiction program can only claim 10% success rate. 5-10% if the addict stays with SOME sort of support group almost nil with no support after detox. Support need not be a 12 step program but there does need to be some support.

As a real-life alcoholic and AA member, I can attest that the only thing that got me sober was a sponsor and the fellowship of some pretty cool AA members.  It's not religious, it's spiritual.
I know there's a lot of jokes and misinformation, but some of us are pretty thankful that it's there.  And if you don't need it or want it, don't go.


I sure hope that wasn't aimed at me, I didn't have anything negative to say about AA (member myself), just said it's not the only support group out there. Anyone that says 12 steps is the ONLY way to get sober/clean is a liar, it works for some, doesn't work for others. There are groups that have no spiritual component and they work for people who wouldn't be helped by 12 step programs. And this idiot claiming AA is WORSE than no support and some programs have 40% success rates really has no idea what the hell he is talking about.

/as for the spiritual not religious thing I get so sick of hearing about god in meetings and have repeatedly had to lecture people to not share about Jesus in a meeting, it's tougher being an atheist in an AA meeting than being an atheist in the bible belt.
 
2013-09-25 07:16:14 AM
Oh hell yes, AA is worse than no support.

By brainwashing you into think you're a helpless doofus who can't control yourself without yer higher power, AA sets you up to have really horrible, epic, recurring relapses. And these relapses become further proof of your helplessness and so on.

I was in AA for a while and I never saw a sadder bunch of burnt out shells. And the thing was, the longer they had been "sober" the worse off they were. The two people who tried to off themselves in that one little meeting were people with 20+ years each.

If you've got an addiction problem, stay the fark away from AA and any other 12-step scam. I'm still alive because I had enough sense to listen to my brain and my gut both screaming at me to get the hell out of there.
 
2013-09-25 08:54:39 AM

ongbok: Jim_Callahan: ongbok: What profit does AA get?

They run on about half donations from members, and half on government subsidies.  The fact that they're getting "donations" from people that are explicitly in a position of emotional vulnerability, the abuses have been pretty obvious and well-documented, there's a reason donations are hard-capped at 3k$/year now.  It's essentially a cult-scam, though obviously less outright malicious than, say, Scientology.  But the fact that that's where the bar is set gives you some idea of how bad it can get.

Kinda weird to have someone react with the "you don't even know" defense when they don't know the most basic things about the organization and its fellows.

Why can't they get donations from the people they are helping? Other rehab places charge people for their service, in fact they require payment. Does AA require donations? No they don't. And I am willing to say nobody is profiting of of the donations or government subsidies.


Hmm...maybe the young man in the picture was taking donations from the people he was helping.  He was giving them clean drugs in safe quantities while encouraging them to cut down.   Not buying it?  I dropped out of GED in law college.
 
2013-09-25 09:21:14 AM

TommyymmoT: brap: You know we're dealing with a criminal mastermind when he tries to conceal his own heroin addiction by shooting up in his chin and forehead.

That's acne. There are no major veins in your forehead or chin.


That was a joke.   I have more chins than a Chinese phone book.
 
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