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2013-09-24 02:02:27 PM

crozzo: Wrath of Heaven: spartan.117: Pet peeve: "Splits in half" -- shouldn't that be "Splits in two"?


In a biological sense, "bilateral" refers to the right and left sides of an object... it's a fine point, but I'm trying to find a more specific term for a front-rear split.

Thought it would be "translateral" but apparently that's not a thing.

How about "transverse"?



That's closer, but I'm still thinking "translateral" should be a word.

You know, like "biffle" is now.
 
2013-09-24 02:04:24 PM
He wasn't driving at an excessive speed (estimated ~45), and a car made a left turn directly into him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wjSRhcIHPo

Amazingly, the car is actually designed to split the rear metal frame from the carbon fiber passenger compartment in a pole/tree side impact like that, even at low/moderate speed.
 
2013-09-24 02:09:10 PM
Looks like we know where Aldon Smith is doing his rehab.
 
2013-09-24 02:13:06 PM

Rav Tokomi: He wasn't driving at an excessive speed (estimated ~45)


When the speed limit is 30, ~45 is "excessive," at least as far as insurance companies and the cops are concerned.
 
2013-09-24 02:15:20 PM

skozlaw: Dog Welder: If the car is a whole farking block away from you and you begin to turn, you don't expect it to close that distance in a few seconds.

I don't typically expect morons to stop at yield signs on the interstate on-ramp with no oncoming traffic, but it's happened to me and, despite their best efforts, I have yet to rear-end one of the jerkwads.

Unfortunately, part of being a responsible driver means constantly being aware that you're surrounded by hapless idiots and being prepared to react when they do something idiotic. You should drive defensively because it's safe, but an even better reason is because the road is full of imbeciles like this lambo driver and you want to mitigate as much liability as possible when one of them does something incredibly stupid right in front of you.


Pretty much.

I was going 45 in a 50 in the center lane with a green light when the lady about 8 car lengths ahead in the left decides to come into center. Not a big deal and I can avoid her jumping into the lane close enough. The problem is that she then stopped. There was nothing in front of her and the light ahead was still green. I hit the brakes and rear ended her. Minimal damage to both cars but more on her bumper. Even though i was the rear car, she messed up. However we settled and didn't sue.

Turns out she saw that she was about to miss her exit and decided to jump over three lanes at the last second. Ironically she stopped in the center because the right lane had cars coming and she didnt want to cause an accident.
 
2013-09-24 02:15:47 PM

Kahabut: akula: styckx: satanorsanta: While the Lambo was speeding the sedan turned left in front of it, therefore, it is the sedan's fault.

A cop / lawyer / judge will tell you that you should have 100% control of your car at all times.. The lambo was speeding.. If he was at the normal speed limit at the same distance he would have had plenty of time to bring his car to a controlled stop before any accident ever occurred.

Nope. While there may be some fault assesed to the Lambo driver due to speed, you're not supposed to turn across traffic in such a way that they need to do anything... if they have to slow down or swerve (even if they're speeding), you shouldn't have pulled out. The primary fault is going to go to the sedan.

No it isn't.  The crash team will determine that because the Lambo was speeding, the sedan had no chance to react to his presence.  You are farking nuts if you think they are going to put blame on the sedan driver in this scenario.

Fault lies 100% with the Lambo driver.  Not only that, but he'll be lucky to escape with his license.  Speeding, reckless endangerment, negligence, and depending on injuries, other charges too.

The guy is an asshole, driving unsafely in an farkING residential street.  He's just lucky he didn't hit a kid.



Ok, I'll bite.

From the only evidence available, the lambo driver doesn't appear to be speeding.

If there are any personal injuries at all, I doubt the sedan driver sustained any of them by having his front bumper clipped perpendicularly.

There were no children involved, but please do speculate further as the basis for your 100% at-fault judgment.
 
2013-09-24 02:15:59 PM

NightSteel: It seems to me like, if the Lambo driver is a jerk, that sedan driver is boned. Akula is right; the sedan driver did not ensure a clear safe distance to make their turn. Even though the Lambo driver might be assigned some fault for speeding, most of it's probably gonna go to the sedan driver. I imagine the odds of the sedan driver having enough liability insurance to cover 70% of an Aventador ($350K-$450K) are pretty long. I know *I* don't have that much insurance. How about you, fellow Farkers?


The owner will have under insured driver coverage I was looking at a used lotus car was only 25k but the insurance would have been twice the car payment
 
2013-09-24 02:16:28 PM
 All wheel drive and equipped with Carbon ceramic brakes and huge stickey tires giving it the insane braking power for better safety and shorter braking distance.  That is if you aren't texting or doing some other kind of distracted driving while going to fast.  Didn't look like he touched the brakes.  I am sure the police can measure from the point of impact and have a decent shot at judging the Lambo's speed.
 
2013-09-24 02:21:52 PM

Kahabut: No it isn't. The crash team will determine that because the Lambo was speeding, the sedan had no chance to react to his presence. You are farking nuts if you think they are going to put blame on the sedan driver in this scenario.

Fault lies 100% with the Lambo driver. Not only that, but he'll be lucky to escape with his license. Speeding, reckless endangerment, negligence, and depending on injuries, other charges too.

The guy is an asshole, driving unsafely in an farkING residential street. He's just lucky he didn't hit a kid.


I don't think that you are serious, but if you are.. I don't see how you might be allowed to drive a car.

Seriously, the laws in pretty much all countries are the same when it comes to a move that cuts into the coming lane... don't do it unless it's 100% safe, use your signals first, and wait it out if someone is coming and you cannot be 100% sure of being out of the way by the time they get to your point.

The sedan is at 100% fault, regardless of the speed of the Lamb.

The Lamb could end up with a speeding ticket, but it's the sedan that hit the Lamb, not the other way around.
 
2013-09-24 02:28:40 PM

imfallen_angel: The sedan is at 100% fault, regardless of the speed of the Lamb.

The Lamb could end up with a speeding ticket, but it's the sedan that hit the Lamb, not the other way around.


this is true, but the lambo driver is still an asshole for speeding like that.
 
2013-09-24 02:37:12 PM
Note to self: Jalopnik not reliable for link submission.

/submitted this yesterday with the headline "'I have a Lamborghini Aventador.' No, you HAD a Lamborghini Aventador"
//Bitter? Meh
 
2013-09-24 02:40:37 PM

FlashHarry: imfallen_angel: The sedan is at 100% fault, regardless of the speed of the Lamb.

The Lamb could end up with a speeding ticket, but it's the sedan that hit the Lamb, not the other way around.

this is true, but the lambo driver is still an asshole for speeding like that.


As others have stated, hard to tell if he really was due to a few factors, and if yes, by how much.

And since I don't know the area, I've seen places that you get off an highway and end up in a residential area right away, so he might have been slowing down at the time....

Lots of factors, and the only one that truly matters is that this accident happened because the sedan drove right into the Lamb. by driving across the lane in a non-safe way, unto oncoming traffic.

It's not like the Lamb. drove through a red light here or a stop, speeding or not, he still had right of way.
 
2013-09-24 02:43:54 PM
This is why they should all be painted red or yellow.  They're too hard to see with their stealthy profiles.
 
2013-09-24 02:53:35 PM

styckx: satanorsanta: While the Lambo was speeding the sedan turned left in front of it, therefore, it is the sedan's fault.

A cop / lawyer / judge will tell you that you should have 100% control of your car at all times.. The lambo was speeding.. If he was at the normal speed limit at the same distance he would have had plenty of time to bring his car to a controlled stop before any accident ever occurred.


BS. No matter what speed you are going at, if a car hits you while turning left in front of you, they are responsible for causing the accident.

You assume that the driver in the other car saw the Lambo and decided to turn left because he calculated that he had enough time to do so. Experience with this sort of incompetent zombie-driver tells me he probably never noticed the Lambo. The Lamborghini could have been going at a snail's pace, chances are he still would have turned into it.  Cars turning left in front of them is the chief cause of car/motorcycle collisions. The bike can be lit up like a Christmas tree with a rider dressed in flashing day-glo, the driver will always claim that he just didn't see him. That being the case, it's not impossible to think that this same kind of driver would fail to notice a white supercar coming in the other direction.

And subby, while the driver of the other car may not have been an actual tree, he probably was some kind of vegetable.
 
2013-09-24 02:58:22 PM

akula: While there may be some fault assesed to the Lambo driver due to speed, you're not supposed to turn across traffic in such a way that they need to do anything...


It looks like that Lambo covered a block and a half in 4 seconds in that video. The sedan driver probably saw that the Lambo was far enough away at 30MPH for him to safely make the turn (probably into his driveway). I know when I am at a stop sign in Brooklyn (or Queens or Staten Island etc.) that if I see a car more than a block away in a residential area, even on a short block, like an avenue block, I can safely cross the intersection. Of course, that goes out the window if the other driver is speeding and I don't realize it.

skozlaw: Unfortunately, part of being a responsible driver means constantly being aware that you're surrounded by hapless idiots and being prepared to react when they do something idiotic.


In a residential neighborhood, with homes, crosswalks and driveways, it is fair to assume someone is not going to come flying down your street at a highly illegal speed. Mill Basin is nowhere near a highway exit nor a major road that has such a high speed limit.

Wrath of Heaven: From the only evidence available, the lambo driver doesn't appear to be speeding.


Having driven through that neighborhood (and similar NYC ones) many times, it is not possible to cover a block and a half in 4 seconds if you are going the legal speed limit.

imfallen_angel: And since I don't know the area, I've seen places that you get off an highway and end up in a residential area right away, so he might have been slowing down at the time....


I know the area. He was no where near the Belt Parkway exit, or even Flatbush Ave which the Belt exits onto. And the Belt's top speed limit is only 50.

Anyway, the police will figure it out if they need to.
 
2013-09-24 03:02:19 PM

styckx: satanorsanta: While the Lambo was speeding the sedan turned left in front of it, therefore, it is the sedan's fault.

A cop / lawyer / judge will tell you that you should have 100% control of your car at all times.. The lambo was speeding.. If he was at the normal speed limit at the same distance he would have had plenty of time to bring his car to a controlled stop before any accident ever occurred.


The Lambo owner is still going to get screwed. There aren't a whole lot of people with $500,000 in liability insurance on their 1995 Cutlass Ciera. Winning a judgement against me for $500,000 is exactly the same as winning a judgement against me for six million dollars.
 
2013-09-24 03:13:22 PM
Kahabut:
No it isn't. The crash team will determine that because the Lambo was speeding, the sedan had no chance to react to his presence.  You are farking nuts if you think they are going to put blame on the sedan driver in this scenario.

Fault lies 100% with the Lambo driver.  Not only that, but he'll be lucky to escape with his license.  Speeding, reckless endangerment, negligence, and depending on injuries, other charges too.

The guy is an asshole, driving unsafely in an farkING residential street.  He's just lucky he didn't hit a kid.


No. It's not the sedan that had to react to the Lamborghini's presence, it is in fact the other way around. The sedan initiated the action which resulted in an accident by turning across oncoming traffic. That is an exceedingly dangerous manoeuvre at any speed and it almost always results in a collision. The Lamborghini was exceeding the speed limit, but apparently not by an enormous margin. 45 in a 30 is not reckless endangerment, it is just plain speeding. While it is wrong, It's a speed at which a good percentage of traffic travels on a two way divided street. It's a whole lot different than if he was using his car's true potential. You can lay all the hate you like on the rich guy, but in this case it is the bone-headed regular Joe who is at fault.
 
2013-09-24 03:16:07 PM

damageddude: In a residential neighborhood, with homes, crosswalks and driveways, it is fair to assume someone is not going to come flying down your street at a highly illegal speed.


And in my example it's fair that on a clear, sunny day with no traffic and a clear view for a mile some jackwagon isn't going to drive up to a yield sign and come to a complete stop right in front of me for no reason instead of pulling onto the interstate, but it happens. And since it's your responsibility to be aware of what's happening in front of you at all times, it's your fault if you hit them even though what they did was utterly retarded.

The problem is that the underlying rule has nothing to do with this specific instance, it's about your responsibility to be aware of what's going on around you. It's not so much that he hit the idiot in the Lambo, it's that he wasn't paying attention to what was happening in the lane he was turning into. If he'd have looked up the road like he was supposed to he would have seen the moron barreling down the street and could have just flipped him off then continued on his way.
 
2013-09-24 03:27:46 PM

KrispyKritter: akula: styckx: satanorsanta: While the Lambo was speeding the sedan turned left in front of it, therefore, it is the sedan's fault.

A cop / lawyer / judge will tell you that you should have 100% control of your car at all times.. The lambo was speeding.. If he was at the normal speed limit at the same distance he would have had plenty of time to bring his car to a controlled stop before any accident ever occurred.

Nope. While there may be some fault assesed to the Lambo driver due to speed, you're not supposed to turn across traffic in such a way that they need to do anything... if they have to slow down or swerve (even if they're speeding), you shouldn't have pulled out. The primary fault is going to go to the sedan.

you are accountable for anything that happens in front of your car. check a DMV manual, call an insurance agent.


not true, at least not here in Indiana in 1996.  I rear ended a car that was slowing down to make a u-turn on I-69 near the toll road.  she was cited for improper turn and her insurance company covered my totaled car

/"didn't you see my turn signal?"
//state trooper roller his eyes when she told him what happened
///yeah, I said Indiana
 
2013-09-24 03:38:21 PM
Both drivers look Russian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm3LhjdM2aA

Therefore, vodka is to blame.
 
2013-09-24 03:38:32 PM
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Douche bags with too much money and not enough brains are always entertaining.
 
2013-09-24 03:48:01 PM

skozlaw: damageddude: In a residential neighborhood, with homes, crosswalks and driveways, it is fair to assume someone is not going to come flying down your street at a highly illegal speed.

And in my example it's fair that on a clear, sunny day with no traffic and a clear view for a mile some jackwagon isn't going to drive up to a yield sign and come to a complete stop right in front of me for no reason instead of pulling onto the interstate, but it happens. And since it's your responsibility to be aware of what's happening in front of you at all times, it's your fault if you hit them even though what they did was utterly retarded.


Not where I live. Where I live it is considered an infraction to immobilize your vehicle in a traffic lane without cause.
 
2013-09-24 03:48:19 PM
After looking at the video a few times I'm going to rule the dark colored car is totally at fault.  I paused it where the sedan is just starting to make the turn.  The lambo is a little more than the width of the house in the background.  Even if he was doing 30 he would have to slam on the brakes to avoid the accident.  Which is probably what would have happened if he was doing the speed limit.  With him speeding there wasn't enough room/time to stop.

Now to assign blame, I go with the sedan.  The sedan clearly cut in front of the lambo and would have caused a close call or accident regardless even if the lambo wasn't speeding.  The person making the left has to make sure they are clear and the sedan fails miserably in this instance.  Before the video I assumed the lambo was flying and the car was completely innocent, but the video shows me the sedan is completely to blame.
 
2013-09-24 03:52:44 PM
Oh, that poor tree!
 
2013-09-24 03:54:40 PM
Watch the video, definitely the sedans fault.
 
2013-09-24 04:18:18 PM

capt.hollister: Not where I live. Where I live it is considered an infraction to immobilize your vehicle in a traffic lane without cause.


It's also illegal to operate your vehicle without an "assured clear distance".

No matter what the person in front of you is doing, you have to be able to stop if they do. They may get cited, but you'll still get the blame for hitting them.
 
2013-09-24 04:42:34 PM
The lamborghini was going too fast. The sedan was inattentive, or perhaps people are not accustomed to squat race cars speeding the other way. I'd put blame 70:30.
 
2013-09-24 04:46:41 PM

debug: "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn?  There any sex in it?"

"No, it's not that kinda book..."


/obscure



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/nothing is obscure
 
2013-09-24 05:23:06 PM
Yeah, white people problems.
 
2013-09-24 05:28:51 PM
I did this once....made a left turn across traffic and got t-boned by a speeding car. The cop issued me the ticket. I lawyered up and went to court. It was a longshot at best. The other driver denied speeding but given the damage/physics involved the lawyer was able to show there's no way that person could have been doing the speed limit. I don't remember the exact details but the judge ruled in my favor. I got extremely lucky. The other driver was not happy.

So it could go either way but the law favors the lamborghini driver. Given the security cam footage showing the other driver did not stop before turning I'm thinking the judge might just rule in favor of the lambo driver.
 
2013-09-24 05:47:35 PM
No way the car turning left was at fault. You shouldn't have to make sure it's clear for the next 20 blocks before you start your left turn.
 
2013-09-24 05:51:34 PM
A good friend of mine was doing 55/40 in VA when someone pulled out in front of him, totalled both cars. Police cited my speeding idiot friend, insurance conceded that he was at fault.
 
2013-09-24 06:19:17 PM
$400k sports car in Mill Basin?  Probably mob-connected.
 
2013-09-24 07:03:54 PM
Is the tree OK?
 
2013-09-24 07:06:29 PM
Two idiots off the road.
We all win~!
 
2013-09-24 07:09:15 PM
I live in a residential area like that.
When I see asshats speed down my street I get real stabby.

Hope neither driver ever drives again. Especially mr or mrs lambo fuk hole speed and kill kids n pets shiat fer brains fuk stick overpaid underbrained twatwaffle.
 
2013-09-24 10:13:08 PM

skozlaw: capt.hollister: Not where I live. Where I live it is considered an infraction to immobilize your vehicle in a traffic lane without cause.

It's also illegal to operate your vehicle without an "assured clear distance".

No matter what the person in front of you is doing, you have to be able to stop if they do. They may get cited, but you'll still get the blame for hitting them.


Again: not where I live. If bozo in front of you stops at a yield sign when the road is clear, if he stops without a very good reason in the middle of a highway, if he stops at the end of an on-ramp when he should be merging with traffic, Bozo will be held responsible for any ensuing collision.
 
2013-09-24 10:30:57 PM
If it's anything like driving in Philly there, the guy in the sedan saw him coming and said "Ah, F him, he'll stop. His car looks expensive" and then turned.
 
2013-09-24 10:53:31 PM
Kahabut:
No it isn't.  The crash team will determine that because the Lambo was speeding, the sedan had no chance to react to his presence.  You are farking nuts if you think they are going to put blame on the sedan driver in this scenario.

Fault lies 100% with the Lambo driver.  Not only that, but he'll be lucky to escape with his license.  Speeding, reckless endangerment, negligence, and depending on injuries, other charges too.


You're such a tool.  Watch the crash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhBWGEXTNrQ

That's entirely, 100% the fault of the in the sedan.  Lamborghini, speeding or not, has the right of way, the sedan driver must yield to oncoming traffic prior to turning (That's "yield," not "assume they're going slow enough that I can turn in front of them before they get here").   Instead, he turns and *hits the other car*.  In fact, if the Lamborghini had been going even *faster*, he'd have passed the sedan before the idiot in that car had time to interpose his car in the Lamborghini's path.   There will be no charges filed against the Lamborghini driver.  The sedan's insurance won't pay for the entire cost of the totalled Lambo, but he'll probably have insurance to cover the remainder.

Negligence?  Reckless endangerment?  Are you high?  You think that prosecutors throw around felony charges in response to wrecks like this?  You've watched way too many Law & Order: Stupid Car Accidents episodes.
 
2013-09-25 07:33:11 AM

Russ1642: Life imitates GTA.


Seriously. GTA trees will brush off a tank.
 
2013-09-25 07:35:59 AM

Phanatic1a: Kahabut:
That's entirely, 100% the fault of the in the sedan.  Lamborghini, speeding or not, has the right of way


The law, not to mention common sense, would tend to disagree.  I'd expect both drivers to be charged in this case, and the insurance companies will make some split of costs depending on state law.
 
2013-09-25 08:37:39 AM

Belias: Phanatic1a: Kahabut:
That's entirely, 100% the fault of the in the sedan.  Lamborghini, speeding or not, has the right of way

The law, not to mention common sense, would tend to disagree.  I'd expect both drivers to be charged in this case, and the insurance companies will make some split of costs depending on state law.


NY is a comparative negligence state and in cases like this that I have seen it will likely be found to be roughly 80% sedan/20% Lamborghini at fault.  I hope for the sedan driver had an umbrella insurance policy, because even with this level of fault, that is still a $320,000+ obligation and would exceed what most auto policies provide for property damage.
 
2013-09-25 06:57:21 PM

MythDragon: debug: "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn?  There any sex in it?"

"No, it's not that kinda book..."


/obscure


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/nothing is obscure


I know it's a popular series, but I wasn't sure if anyone would get it or not.
 
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