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(Washington Post)   While defunding Obamacare is getting all the press, the House GOP bill to raise the debt ceiling is chock full o' crazy: means testing medicare, gutting EPA rules, repealing Dodd-Frank, building Keystone XL, and of course, Tax cuts   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 13
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2013-09-24 01:43:24 PM
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dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


Once you means-test it, it becomes welfare and subject to rapacious defunding efforts by Republicans and Blue Dogs. It is essential that neither Medicare nor Social Security be means-tested, or they will be gutted and we will return to the Gilded Age of elderly Americans suffering disproportionate levels of poverty.
2013-09-24 01:42:26 PM
4 votes:

dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


Medicare is not a form of welfare, it is a social insurance program.  Making it only available for a qualified subgroup means it gets turned into a type of welfare, ultimately undermining the program.

Now, this being said, I think there are opportunities to introduce certain cost controls including something along the lines of means-tested copays or higher premium payments.
2013-09-24 12:51:31 PM
4 votes:
Summary: The GOP will continue waste taxpayer money as they negotiate in bad faith on legislation that will never become law.
2013-09-24 01:45:32 PM
3 votes:

urbangirl: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

Came here to say this.


It is a social insurance program, not a welfare program.  Higher income earners have already paid more into the program through payroll taxes. Also- what you draw out of it depends on your health, not your income.  You ain't buying lobster.

In short- means testing is an attempt to cheat people from getting what they rightfully paid for while working.
2013-09-24 03:24:55 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Let me make it more clear for you: In 2007 the Democrats gained control of the senate and the Republicans became the minority party, the one that needs to use the Filibuster, at which point his happened:


(Nice big red projected on the chart.)

I get it. Republicans are asshole poopyheads.

You didn't answer any of the questions I asked about.
2013-09-24 02:48:32 PM
1 votes:

Magruda: Marcus Aurelius: Keystone XL is a really good way to reduce our domestic oil supplies and lose out on energy tax revenue.

How exactly is this going to decrease our domestic supplies when it is coming from Canada?


The oil companies currently transfer oil from Canada to Missouri and Illinois for processing, via the Keystone pipeline. Much of that processed oil is sold here in the United States.

The oil companies really would like to transfer oil from Canada to Texas, via the Keystone XL pipeline, where it could be processed and put on boats, so it could be sold to overseas markets.

Less Canadian oil here = more domestic supplies used here.
2013-09-24 02:47:48 PM
1 votes:
Got crushed in an election, only kept the house because of no-lose gerrymandered districts, perceives that as a mandate to run the country and if you don't agree with them they will burn this place to the ground.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the GOP!!!
2013-09-24 02:44:49 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: BojanglesPaladin: Nadie_AZ: I do have a question though: Would you have supported impeachment of Bush Jr if he'd lied to Congress and the American public about an affair with an intern?

Can tell me why you ask and what you think this has to do with that? I'm curious what assumptions you have made and which conclusions you have jumped to.

I mean, Bush Jr lied to the American people and Congress about going to war in Iraq and nobody in Congress considered impeachment.

Would Obama get that kind of pass?

You want to play 'both sides are bad' game, and I'm asking questions I know the answer to. Sorta fun. Or not. I might be bored as I'm sure I'll be broadsided with some inane detail.


I would give Obama substantially better odds of getting a pass for lying America into a war than getting a pass for lying about a blowjob.
2013-09-24 02:03:32 PM
1 votes:

MyRandomName: Means testing medicare is crazy? Why do you want to give subsidies to millionaires subby?


Because medicare is a social insurance program, not a welfare program, and everyone pays in and it should be available to everyone? Means testing would make the process of getting medicare a lot more invasive for EVERYONE.

Also, in case it gets lost, this link is spot on:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/means-testing-medicare/?_ r =0">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/means-testing-medicar e/?_r =0
2013-09-24 01:58:11 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: So winning to them is about reclaiming what they truly believed should be theirs: a permanent majority.


And the Dems are different.. how?
2013-09-24 01:44:48 PM
1 votes:

urbangirl: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

Came here to say this.


I can predict, given the current pattern of conduct what will happen, right down to the sequence of events with means-testing.

Democrats will crunch some numbers, figure out it's a good GOP idea and put a bill together proposing it.
The GOP will oppose the bill, and threaten to filibuster it, because it was a Democrat who proposed it.
The Democrats will launch an ad campaign targeted at conservatives, and will get 'just' enough support to get it passed.
Obama will sign it.
The GOP will go bat-shiat crazy trying to repeal it.
The GOP will threaten government Shutdowns, filibusters, and call anyone who wants to 'kill granny' a communist.
The GOP will make a huge issue out of it, Sarah Palin will start her 'death panels' thing again.
The law will be challenged in court, it will stand.  Conservatives will have a complete mental implosion, and threaten secession, turn to finding blame amongst their own, and wail endlessly about the 'end of freedom in the country'.


And not one single person in the GOP will ever remember it was their idea in the first place....and Obama will have won again, using the exact same tactic...
2013-09-24 01:42:31 PM
1 votes:
Gee, it's almost as though they know this shiat has absolutely no chance of ever getting enacted, so they just threw it all in just so they could see it in print.
2013-09-24 01:35:15 PM
1 votes:
Keystone XL is a really good way to reduce our domestic oil supplies and lose out on energy tax revenue.
 
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