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(Washington Post)   While defunding Obamacare is getting all the press, the House GOP bill to raise the debt ceiling is chock full o' crazy: means testing medicare, gutting EPA rules, repealing Dodd-Frank, building Keystone XL, and of course, Tax cuts   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 134
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2013-09-24 12:51:31 PM
Summary: The GOP will continue waste taxpayer money as they negotiate in bad faith on legislation that will never become law.
 
2013-09-24 12:52:22 PM
There's less than a zero chance Obama will negotiate on the debt ceiling. He'd rather default, and defaulting would actually be better for the US than keeping up this charade.
 
2013-09-24 12:57:37 PM
*sigh*
 
2013-09-24 01:11:03 PM
"Job rich Keystone XL pipeline"  Are they high?
 
2013-09-24 01:13:14 PM

James!: "Job rich Keystone XL pipeline"  Are they high?


The temporarily embarrassed millionaires that support these policies have to believe. You don't understand, they already have concluded the GOP is god's team, so therefor: yes. Yes they are.
 
2013-09-24 01:16:38 PM
I hope they remembered to defund ACORN and Planned Parenthood.
 
2013-09-24 01:27:57 PM
The GOP is really gonna do it, aren't they? They'll destroy themselves in a vain attempt to defund obamacare and fail miserably. I...don't know what to say about that.
 
2013-09-24 01:32:18 PM
I think the Republicans are in some serious trouble now. I was reading news comments from NBC 12 News in Phoenix and the comments are usually pretty derpy when it comes to immigration, Obama, and a list of other things. But yesterday they asked who was at fault for the economy and the responses overwhelmingly came in against the GOP. I've never seen such a consensus against the Republicans before on that website.
 
2013-09-24 01:32:27 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Summary: The GOP will continue waste taxpayer money as they negotiate in bad faith on legislation that will never become law.


Yup.
 
2013-09-24 01:32:48 PM
How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.
 
2013-09-24 01:32:51 PM
WYY WONT OBAMAA JUST LEADFWQ'4TLQH4T
 
2013-09-24 01:35:15 PM
Keystone XL is a really good way to reduce our domestic oil supplies and lose out on energy tax revenue.
 
2013-09-24 01:36:05 PM

dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-09-24 01:36:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Keystone XL is a really good way to reduce our domestic oil supplies and lose out on energy tax revenue.


Plus potentially fark over our aquifers. Of course, I'm *SURE* a foreign company would try to make good any actual damage they caused, and not tell people to pound sand!
 
2013-09-24 01:37:14 PM

DamnYankees: There's less than a zero chance Obama will negotiate on the debt ceiling. He'd rather default, and defaulting would actually be better for the US than keeping up this charade.


Yup, even just the stuff in the headline is a whole lotta "nope".
 
2013-09-24 01:37:29 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I think the Republicans are in some serious trouble now. I was reading news comments from NBC 12 News in Phoenix and the comments are usually pretty derpy when it comes to immigration, Obama, and a list of other things. But yesterday they asked who was at fault for the economy and the responses overwhelmingly came in against the GOP. I've never seen such a consensus against the Republicans before on that website.


I keep hearing how the GOP will blame Obama and democrats on whatever backlash comes out of a shutdown/default scenario, and it's true. But I think those same people fail to realize that the public isn't as willing to buy it as they have in the past. The GOP have used that tactic way too many times in the last decade and people, even loyal republicans, are catching on that the GOP is full of shiat.
 
2013-09-24 01:38:33 PM

James!: "Job rich Keystone XL pipeline"  Are they high?


Not US jobs.
 
2013-09-24 01:40:01 PM

dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


One dirty socialist's opinion.
 
2013-09-24 01:40:15 PM
Weaver95:  I...don't know what to say about that.

Fu*k 'em?
 
2013-09-24 01:40:49 PM

Weaver95: The GOP is really gonna do it, aren't they? They'll destroy themselves in a vain attempt to defund obamacare and fail miserably. I...don't know what to say about that.



4.bp.blogspot.com

/sooner the looneys are out on the street, the sooner the saner minority in the Republican Party can start being heard again (assuming any are left after Dole and the others got shuffled off to the nursing homes).
 
2013-09-24 01:41:02 PM

dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


Because anybody who can afford it does not waste time with medicare?  I mean, seriously, why would you if you didn't have to?
 
2013-09-24 01:42:26 PM

dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


Medicare is not a form of welfare, it is a social insurance program.  Making it only available for a qualified subgroup means it gets turned into a type of welfare, ultimately undermining the program.

Now, this being said, I think there are opportunities to introduce certain cost controls including something along the lines of means-tested copays or higher premium payments.
 
2013-09-24 01:42:31 PM
Gee, it's almost as though they know this shiat has absolutely no chance of ever getting enacted, so they just threw it all in just so they could see it in print.
 
2013-09-24 01:42:34 PM
Keystone's already dead. It's stupid to keep it up in the House. The companies have already decided to just find an alternative.

The rest of it is equally wasteful.

I thought these turds were elected based on "Taxes Enough Already?". Instead they choose to waste my tax monies with stupid shiat like this.

Christ, what a bunch of assholes.
 
2013-09-24 01:43:24 PM

dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


Once you means-test it, it becomes welfare and subject to rapacious defunding efforts by Republicans and Blue Dogs. It is essential that neither Medicare nor Social Security be means-tested, or they will be gutted and we will return to the Gilded Age of elderly Americans suffering disproportionate levels of poverty.
 
2013-09-24 01:43:31 PM

Weaver95: The GOP is really gonna do it, aren't they? They'll destroy themselves in a vain attempt to defund obamacare and fail miserably. I...don't know what to say about that.


Conservikazi. Better to destroy yourself than admit defeat.
 
2013-09-24 01:44:48 PM

urbangirl: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

Came here to say this.


I can predict, given the current pattern of conduct what will happen, right down to the sequence of events with means-testing.

Democrats will crunch some numbers, figure out it's a good GOP idea and put a bill together proposing it.
The GOP will oppose the bill, and threaten to filibuster it, because it was a Democrat who proposed it.
The Democrats will launch an ad campaign targeted at conservatives, and will get 'just' enough support to get it passed.
Obama will sign it.
The GOP will go bat-shiat crazy trying to repeal it.
The GOP will threaten government Shutdowns, filibusters, and call anyone who wants to 'kill granny' a communist.
The GOP will make a huge issue out of it, Sarah Palin will start her 'death panels' thing again.
The law will be challenged in court, it will stand.  Conservatives will have a complete mental implosion, and threaten secession, turn to finding blame amongst their own, and wail endlessly about the 'end of freedom in the country'.


And not one single person in the GOP will ever remember it was their idea in the first place....and Obama will have won again, using the exact same tactic...
 
2013-09-24 01:44:50 PM
Guys, you forgot the trolls talking points.

The House plan to fund the government was exactly what Obama wanted, EXCEPT the one TEENY concession of defunding Obamacare.
 
2013-09-24 01:44:53 PM
They really want to fark over everyone and everything, don't they?  It's like a death cult.. willing to end the world, on the chance they can personally become immortal.
 
2013-09-24 01:45:32 PM

urbangirl: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

Came here to say this.


It is a social insurance program, not a welfare program.  Higher income earners have already paid more into the program through payroll taxes. Also- what you draw out of it depends on your health, not your income.  You ain't buying lobster.

In short- means testing is an attempt to cheat people from getting what they rightfully paid for while working.
 
2013-09-24 01:45:49 PM

Felgraf: Marcus Aurelius: Keystone XL is a really good way to reduce our domestic oil supplies and lose out on energy tax revenue.

Plus potentially fark over our aquifers. Of course, I'm *SURE* a foreign company would try to make good any actual damage they caused, and not tell people to pound sand!


that probably coincides with the call for lax EPA regs.
 
2013-09-24 01:46:16 PM
Obvious tag disenfranchised?
 
2013-09-24 01:46:36 PM

Rootus: why would you if you didn't have to?


My ex does...(not medicare, but our state's equivalent) because the benefits are better than what she can get in the private sector at her pay level.
 
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2013-09-24 01:48:30 PM
THANKS OBAMA
 
2013-09-24 01:49:10 PM

Blathering Idjut: It is a social insurance program, not a welfare program. Higher income earners have already paid more into the program through payroll taxes. Also- what you draw out of it depends on your health, not your income. You ain't buying lobster.


Thank you for the clarification.  Wasn't aware of the difference.
 
2013-09-24 01:49:54 PM

dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.


Because it doesn't save any money and will account for only a small number of people not getting medicare. Any reasonable test costs more to implement then it will save.
 
2013-09-24 01:50:11 PM

Jim_Callahan: DamnYankees: There's less than a zero chance Obama will negotiate on the debt ceiling. He'd rather default, and defaulting would actually be better for the US than keeping up this charade.

Yup, even just the stuff in the headline is a whole lotta "nope".


Literally anything is a nope. He knows that negotiating over the debt ceiling is the biggest mistake of his presidency, and that doing it again would be horrific for the future of the US government.
 
2013-09-24 01:50:12 PM
You want to talk people who feel entitled? How entitled do you have to be to lose the presidency AND seats in both chambers of Congress and still feel like the people want a version of your economic agenda that is further into "Thar Be Dragons" territory than you ran on?
 
2013-09-24 01:50:15 PM

jgbrowning: Weaver95: The GOP is really gonna do it, aren't they? They'll destroy themselves in a vain attempt to defund obamacare and fail miserably. I...don't know what to say about that.

Conservikazi. Better to destroy yourself than admit defeat.


Well, you were told the tipping point had been reached.  From here on in, this is what you can expect.

lolsnaps.com
 
2013-09-24 01:50:17 PM

Weaver95: The GOP is really gonna do it, aren't they? They'll destroy themselves in a vain attempt to defund obamacare and fail miserably. I...don't know what to say about that.


How will they destroy themselves. I work with really really intelligent guys who think medicare is going broke, social security won't be there in 15 years and the country is broke. I'd say the GOP won the messaging war.
 
2013-09-24 01:51:54 PM

dragonfire77: urbangirl: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

Came here to say this.

I can predict, given the current pattern of conduct what will happen, right down to the sequence of events with means-testing.

Democrats will crunch some numbers, figure out it's a good GOP idea and put a bill together proposing it.
The GOP will oppose the bill, and threaten to filibuster it, because it was a Democrat who proposed it.
The Democrats will launch an ad campaign targeted at conservatives, and will get 'just' enough support to get it passed.
Obama will sign it.
The GOP will go bat-shiat crazy trying to repeal it.
The GOP will threaten government Shutdowns, filibusters, and call anyone who wants to 'kill granny' a communist.
The GOP will make a huge issue out of it, Sarah Palin will start her 'death panels' thing again.
The law will be challenged in court, it will stand.  Conservatives will have a complete mental implosion, and threaten secession, turn to finding blame amongst their own, and wail endlessly about the 'end of freedom in the country'.


And not one single person in the GOP will ever remember it was their idea in the first place....and Obama will have won again, using the exact same tactic...


Winning needs to stop meaning passing retarded GOP bullshiat and taking credit.
 
2013-09-24 01:54:02 PM

Ambitwistor: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

One dirty socialist's opinion.


Very well-put.

Stile4aly: Medicare is not a form of welfare, it is a social insurance program. Making it only available for a qualified subgroup means it gets turned into a type of welfare, ultimately undermining the program.


Which has been their goal since the beginning.
 
2013-09-24 01:54:04 PM
Do it.

DO IT!

deanhunt.com
 
2013-09-24 01:54:42 PM

Isitoveryet: Felgraf: Marcus Aurelius: Keystone XL is a really good way to reduce our domestic oil supplies and lose out on energy tax revenue.

Plus potentially fark over our aquifers. Of course, I'm *SURE* a foreign company would try to make good any actual damage they caused, and not tell people to pound sand!

that probably coincides with the call for lax EPA regs.


So... you two do realize that Keystone's not dead and the current recommendation for the XL expansion is for approval with minor non-binding requests for delay from the EPA with acknowledgement that their filed concerns have been addressed, right?  And that the core of the pipeline's more or less in place, we're just discussing the timing of the "XL" expansion?

The GOP's entire shiat-fit over the matter has been over the project being  slightly behind schedule, and the main reason it's behind schedule is primarily... the GOP's shiat-fit, which they started because Obama's executive was  sticking to the schedule instead of approving it early.

Possibly the stupidest "issue" in politics today.
 
2013-09-24 01:55:12 PM

Nadie_AZ: I work with really really intelligent guys who think


No, you really don't.
 
2013-09-24 01:55:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: The GOP is really gonna do it, aren't they? They'll destroy themselves in a vain attempt to defund obamacare and fail miserably. I...don't know what to say about that.

How will they destroy themselves. I work with really really intelligent guys who think medicare is going broke, social security won't be there in 15 years and the country is broke. I'd say the GOP won the messaging war.


And yet the GOP is losing, they lost two presidential elections, lost the Senate, and only hold onto the House through gerrymandering.

You say they won the messaging war, but the results say you're fulla shiat.
 
2013-09-24 01:55:46 PM
"House GOP bill to raise the debt ceiling is chock full o' crazy: means testing Medicare, gutting EPA rules, repealing Dodd-Frank, building Keystone XL, and of course, Tax cuts"

Aside from repealing Dodd-Frank, I'm...OK with this.
 
2013-09-24 01:55:57 PM

Rootus: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

Because anybody who can afford it does not waste time with medicare?  I mean, seriously, why would you if you didn't have to?


Exactly.  Means-testing medicare is a freaking waste of time.  Means-testing social security, on the other hand, actually has some merit---even the rich old coots are happy to collect more free money they don't need.
 
2013-09-24 01:56:07 PM

Ned Stark: dragonfire77: urbangirl: dragonfire77: How exactly is means-testing medicare 'crazy'?  I loathe the current iteration of the GOP...but this is an idea I could be on board with.

Came here to say this.

I can predict, given the current pattern of conduct what will happen, right down to the sequence of events with means-testing.

Democrats will crunch some numbers, figure out it's a good GOP idea and put a bill together proposing it.
The GOP will oppose the bill, and threaten to filibuster it, because it was a Democrat who proposed it.
The Democrats will launch an ad campaign targeted at conservatives, and will get 'just' enough support to get it passed.
Obama will sign it.
The GOP will go bat-shiat crazy trying to repeal it.
The GOP will threaten government Shutdowns, filibusters, and call anyone who wants to 'kill granny' a communist.
The GOP will make a huge issue out of it, Sarah Palin will start her 'death panels' thing again.
The law will be challenged in court, it will stand.  Conservatives will have a complete mental implosion, and threaten secession, turn to finding blame amongst their own, and wail endlessly about the 'end of freedom in the country'.


And not one single person in the GOP will ever remember it was their idea in the first place....and Obama will have won again, using the exact same tactic...

Winning needs to stop meaning passing retarded GOP bullshiat and taking credit.


The GOP thought they had a permanent majority. The takeover of the White House in '08 and the House in '06 really really really pissed them off. '10 was about grabbing that permanent majority again by way of the House. They really believed they had it again in '12. Why, I don't know. Romney was a really weak candidate and they had a really weak platform.

So winning to them is about reclaiming what they truly believed should be theirs: a permanent majority.
 
2013-09-24 01:57:49 PM

Jim_Callahan: Possibly the stupidest "issue" in politics today.


That's a bold statement.  Threatening a national default in return for tax cuts is about as idiotic as it gets.
 
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