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2013-09-24 02:24:01 PM  

Aigoo: You can tell the difference between an active kid still carrying fat stores that'll be gone in puberty and a fat kid who eats shiat.

Give me a farking break.

And I was referring to calling CPS on a TWO YEAR OLD.

Because that is the height of idiocy right there. But hey, you don't mind having CPS called on you for your two year old having baby fat rolls? Fine by me. Not my problem.


yeah, i get what you're saying.  but the visible 'fat' look, normally associated with babyfat should be gone.  agreed, until puberty, children still rely on fat stores... yes.

And anyone calling CPS because of a BMI rating is insane.  Really agree with you there.
 
2013-09-24 02:24:31 PM  
BMI of 31.5 and therefore "morbidly obese"
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2013-09-24 02:27:07 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: rikkitikkitavi: Aigoo: Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.

"Baby fat" is usually gone in active children by 3-4 years of age.  I have three kids, and all were lean and athletic by 3. Of the 17 children that live on our street all under the age of 12, there is one age 8 that is still fat.  And he will always be fat. Because his father is fat.  And they eat like shiat.  It's not "babyfat."

I should clarify... the folds/rolls of visible baby fat should be gone.  That said, the mass of a child is mostly fat, and not muscle.  But they shouldn't appear fat at all.  That's a lack of activity.


Good thing you clarified. But I'm still talking primarily about a two year old here, which is what the original post quoted referred to.

Additionally, many young children (read: pre-puberty) continue to have that cherubic, chubby-cheeked look and that slight puffed out belly (which is what I'm specifically referring to), even active children. That's not being fat or obese, that's "baby fat" that is usually outgrown in puberty. Many, many children carry it until puberty, when they use it up to fuel the rapid growth that typically occurs in puberty (I fear for your grocery bill with three, I really do. Cause I am the youngest of six. Even back in the day when $25 could fill a cart, my parents' grocery bill was well over $400 every 2 weeks). All of my siblings were like that, all of my nieces and nephews were like that, all of my cousins and their kids are like that. Some families may not be genetically like that, but many families are. As adults, the only obese member of the family is my youngest older sister. The rest of us are all thin to average.

So like I said, you can tell a kid that's flat obese or one that is just carrying that extra bit that'll get used up (if you have the sense God gave a squirrel). It's a noticeable difference that doesn't require school or CPS intervention unless it's obvious obesity (and I went to school with a girl that was clearly obese and still is as opposed to just having that little bit you grow out of).
 
2013-09-24 02:27:21 PM  
I love how he only uses the parent's name for the letters but not the real name for them. If you think that the letter is telling you that you are at then you are fat. Get over it.
 
2013-09-24 02:27:22 PM  

Girl Sailor: theorellior: . Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.

I know, that's so depressing. Check out some movies from the late 70's. People are supermodel thin by today's standards. Of course there was a certain white intoxicant that the people were into back then that wasn't helping anything. I still agree though.


Eh, I've known more than one fat person with a cocaine problem.
 
2013-09-24 02:28:03 PM  

hailin: Some parents need it. My sister was gripping the other day she got a letter about my niece being overweight. I said she could stand to lose a few pounds and my sister went on a tirade how she has asthma and can't exercise. I said she could do yoga, pilates, swimming, or any number of low impact exercising WHILE watching what she eats. My sister screamed back at me how she only lets her kids eat healthy things.

Then not four hours later she posts on Facebook how they made edible cookie-dough, monkey bread, pudding, and were having chocolate pancakes for dinner. "Just another Friday movie night!" Yup...so healthy and nutritious. Gee I just can't fathom why my niece has weight issues.

/My BIL has also been chubby his whole life, so genetics work against her.
//He also works PT a McD's which is dinner most nights when my sister is too lazy to cook
///Sister hasn't cooked dinner in two weeks that I know about.


What was she gripping, some type of cream-filled pastry?
 
2013-09-24 02:31:57 PM  

Daemonik: Personally I love the asshats who pop off with "just eat HEALTHY", as if there aren't about a billion different voices all telling you conflicting shiat about what is or isn't  healthy.

Everything that I grew up with as a kid has been declared unhealthy, then healthy again at least twice in my lifetime.  You can eat a diet that's perfectly "healthy", but completely wrong for your system and never farking know except all your life you'll blame yourself for never losing weight.  Even back in the days when food was all natural straight from the farm and every daily task involved incredible amounts of physical labor, people still managed to get fat.

Then there's going to be all the people who are shocked SHOCKED when the kids getting these fat shame letters grow up with some seriously farked up eating disorders.  Then there's going to be the developmental problems caused by some well meaning mom who cuts fat out of her preschooler's diet because of one of these fat letters, because guess what your body requires fat to function and for brain development.  We've already seen some vegan families that have done this exact thing!

Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat.  The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.


Determining what's healthy or unhealthy isn't rocket science. Anyone who buys into the hype of new fad diets is just stupid. The simplest bottom line is eat everything in moderation. Is that single piece of fried chicken going to make you fat? Probably not. Is that entire bucket of fried chicken going to make you fat? Definitely yes. It's mindbogglingly simple.

Btw your last paragraph contains the most bullshiat in your bullshiat post. If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.
 
2013-09-24 02:32:11 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Girl Sailor: theorellior: . Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.

I know, that's so depressing. Check out some movies from the late 70's. People are supermodel thin by today's standards. Of course there was a certain white intoxicant that the people were into back then that wasn't helping anything. I still agree though.

Eh, I've known more than one fat person with a cocaine problem.


But not for long I'm guessing!
 
2013-09-24 02:32:27 PM  
Watched the video and read the article. Decided that both parties have a point and both are somewhat in error.

The kid in the video with the stupid haircut is certainly not obese. BMA isn't that effective for kids under a certain age because many kids will have 'baby fat' until well into puberty. This is also why many boys tend to appear feminine, until the hormones cut in. (Which might explain a lot concerning pedophilia directed towards them.)

Obese is when a 10 year old has a beer gut. Obese is when a grade schooler is double the normal weight for his age.

As a kid, back in the 50's and 60's, it was rare to see an obese kid, but the lifestyle was much more active and snack and fast foods had not become a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Now were the majority of the parents obese, meaning no 'Mom jeans' and Dad didn't wear an oversized sports jersey and act proud of his spare tire caused by pizza and beer.

Kids did a lot more outside playing that required energy -- but now the media has them scared shiatless to walk out of their door without layers of armor. If the sun doesn't turn them into festering lumps of cancer, they'll get MERSA from the dirt, kid-snatchers line the streets, gang members toss drugs at them, the crazy homeless lurk anywhere it's dark or shady and pollution will dissolve them from the inside out.

Not to mention the huge push by video game manufacturers to make money off them by selling them games that require they sit on their arses, inside, hour after hour while characters on the screens do all the running and jumping.

Then you have the parents, the lawyers and the government all telling the schools what they can and can't do. It doesn't take long before insanity and stupidity take over.

Yeah. The kids are, on the average, overweight in comparison to those in the 60's. However, there is MUCH more obesity among adults than I can ever remember. Yet more people than ever before are diet aware but their are also far more companies than ever before stuffing fast foods with fattening compounds, like sugar and cheap carbohydrates. Mac and Cheese is good -- but the darn stuff is fattening. We also have 5 different names for sugar used in processed foods.

That gets confusing.

TV advertises candy like never before and 'healthy' fruit drinks which don't have a bit of real fruit juice in them or about a pound of sugar (called dextrose) added. Plus the cost of real fruit has more than tripled since I was a kid and healthy seafood has soared to obnoxious prices.

Even then, you get bombarded about how your fresh fruits and veggies can be covered in invisible bacteria and germs which will rot you from the inside out unless you basically run them through an autoclave first.

BTW. All schools usually have a dietician on staff. They oversee the cafeteria. They're supposed to engineer inexpensive, tasty, healthy foods for the kids but budget constraints, lack of government funding and soaring food costs usually mean they're lucky if they can find something filling that will not kill the kids outright.

It's a rare school that actually prepares fresh food right on the grounds. Political squabbling, funding cuts, simple greed and bribes usually mean many schools get the majority of their food delivered, pre-made, by a for profit company who usually knows a powerful local politician.

My school used to get a lot of free food donated by local farmers, especially citrus and we usually had one cafeteria lady who made biscuits from scratch that were magnificent. Today, there's a swarm of lawyers hovering about, just waiting for the slightest indication of contamination, possible food poisoning or 'old food' for an option to sue.

Parents are also lurking about, cringing at the idea that someone might actually prepare food to be cooked with their bare hands, ignoring the fact that oven temperatures kill any bacteria.

It's easier, cheaper and less risky to have prepared meals shipped in. At least few folks notice the cost cutting measures used by the supplying company, which might not even be in the city.

Geez!
 
2013-09-24 02:33:18 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: hailin: Some parents need it. My sister was gripping the other day she got a letter about my niece being overweight. I said she could stand to lose a few pounds and my sister went on a tirade how she has asthma and can't exercise. I said she could do yoga, pilates, swimming, or any number of low impact exercising WHILE watching what she eats. My sister screamed back at me how she only lets her kids eat healthy things.

Then not four hours later she posts on Facebook how they made edible cookie-dough, monkey bread, pudding, and were having chocolate pancakes for dinner. "Just another Friday movie night!" Yup...so healthy and nutritious. Gee I just can't fathom why my niece has weight issues.

/My BIL has also been chubby his whole life, so genetics work against her.
//He also works PT a McD's which is dinner most nights when my sister is too lazy to cook
///Sister hasn't cooked dinner in two weeks that I know about.

What was she gripping, some type of cream-filled pastry?


Judging by the conversation, I'm gonna go with kitchen knife. ;)
 
2013-09-24 02:33:33 PM  

Girl Sailor: Rapmaster2000: Girl Sailor: theorellior: . Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.

I know, that's so depressing. Check out some movies from the late 70's. People are supermodel thin by today's standards. Of course there was a certain white intoxicant that the people were into back then that wasn't helping anything. I still agree though.

Eh, I've known more than one fat person with a cocaine problem.

But not for long I'm guessing!


No, he's been going with it for at least 4 or 5 years.  The coke he gets is really terrible so maybe that's what helps.

I know about 10 people that use coke that aren't exactly thin.  Adderall seems to work better for that.
 
2013-09-24 02:35:24 PM  
Magorn. 26 is not "borderline obese". It is a little overweight.

You can fool yourself that you're not fat and that bmi means nothing but for 99% of people over 25 bmi ARE fat.

Bmi is not perfect... but its good enough for most people.

Get over it... you are fat. Stop fighting labels.

If someone is over 25bmi that should be a red flag that they need to eat less and exercise more.


... those very few who break the trend will be very obvious that its muscle.


Deal with it. You're fat. Fix the problem.
 
2013-09-24 02:35:58 PM  

Rurouni: Daemonik: Personally I love the asshats who pop off with "just eat HEALTHY", as if there aren't about a billion different voices all telling you conflicting shiat about what is or isn't  healthy.

Everything that I grew up with as a kid has been declared unhealthy, then healthy again at least twice in my lifetime.  You can eat a diet that's perfectly "healthy", but completely wrong for your system and never farking know except all your life you'll blame yourself for never losing weight.  Even back in the days when food was all natural straight from the farm and every daily task involved incredible amounts of physical labor, people still managed to get fat.

Then there's going to be all the people who are shocked SHOCKED when the kids getting these fat shame letters grow up with some seriously farked up eating disorders.  Then there's going to be the developmental problems caused by some well meaning mom who cuts fat out of her preschooler's diet because of one of these fat letters, because guess what your body requires fat to function and for brain development.  We've already seen some vegan families that have done this exact thing!

Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat.  The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.

Determining what's healthy or unhealthy isn't rocket science. Anyone who buys into the hype of new fad diets is just stupid. The simplest bottom line is eat everything in moderation. Is that single piece of fried chicken going to make you fat? Probably not. Is that entire bucket of fried chicken going to make you fat? Definitely yes. It's mindbogglingly simple.

Btw your last paragraph contains the most bullshiat in your bullshiat post. If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.


The human body evolved to gain fat quickly and lose it slowly.
 
2013-09-24 02:36:07 PM  

TechnoHead: Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".

/stop stuffing your face, asshat
//stop stuffin your kids' faces


I have had to tell people I am not too thin regarding BMI.
 
2013-09-24 02:37:17 PM  

CleanAndPure: For the vast majority of people bmi works.

Yes extreme athletes will off the chart.


Regarding weight lifters and NFL players...

Most of them are fat! Yeah they have muscles too... but are you seriously suggesting NFL players aren't covered in lots of blubber too?

Should call it armoured "American sumo wrestling with a rubber egg"... not "american football".

Yes... sumo wrestlers have to have muscles too.


NFL... fat.
Baseball... beer bellied pussies.


Now hockey players, basketball players... you'll never find them over 25 bmi.

Stop using lardarse NFL players as an excuse... unless you're Arnie 20 years ago... if you are over 25 bmi you are probably fat.
(Over 6ft and 220lbs... so don't say you are 250lbs of muscle anyone... you're not... if you are 250lbs you have excess fat)

Doesn't mean you can't be healthy... health and fat are related but not mutually exclusive.


Face it deniers... you are all fatty fat heads.


No NHL players over 25 BMI?

Zdeno Chara, 6'9", 256, BMI 27.4
Henrik Zetterberg, 5'11", 197, BMI 27.5
Nathan Gerbe, 5'5, 179, BMI 29.8
Slava Voynov, 6'0", 190, BMI 25.8.

Four off the top of my head.
 
2013-09-24 02:40:36 PM  
So it's OK that the schools
- Pick up kids on the bus
- Provide them meals at a reduced rate
- Provide counseling as needed
- Are legally required to call authorities is they suspect abuse
- Provide before school care in many cases
- Provide after school care in many cases
- Provide contraceptive awareness and in many cases devices
- Test children for a variety of issues (ADD / Speech / Learning disabilities)
- Mainstream handicapped youths

YET

They mention anything about weight and they are over reaching.  Got it
 
2013-09-24 02:44:01 PM  

firefly212: Slam1263: BMI again.

Great, can we also talk about other really cool "School of Vienna" scientific marvels.

Like phrenology and eugenics?

Spend the energy blaming the metrics or fixing the problem, fatty.


Why, when I put down this can of gravy....
 
2013-09-24 02:45:02 PM  

draypresct: you have pee hands: It's just going to confuse people when it turns out a BMI of 22 is actually fat as hell when you're three and a half feet tall.

/bmi = (height^2) / weight
//turns out humans aren't really two dimensional

You've inverted the BMI formula.

Also, your horizontal cross-section _is_ two dimensional. Think about how the square-cube law works, and you'll see why it's height squared.


Strange. So the units of BMI are pressure. The pressure exerted if all of your weight were distributed uniformly over a square with side length that is your height.
 
2013-09-24 02:47:53 PM  
Rik01:

Kids did a lot more outside playing that required energy -- but now the media has them scared shiatless to walk out of their door without layers of armor. If the sun doesn't turn them into festering lumps of cancer, they'll get MERSA from the dirt, kid-snatchers line the streets, gang members toss drugs at them, the crazy homeless lurk anywhere it's dark or shady and pollution will dissolve them from the inside out.


You're right that a lot comes down to parenting. But there's a bit of a flip side here, too. I gamed with my dad as a kid... but there were limits on how much I played per day.

Part of the problem is, this ain't the world we grew up in: you can't send the kids out to go play today. Some asshole will kidnap them, murder them, give them something you damn sure don't want them getting their hands on,,, You have to give them freedom, but you also have to be aware of where they are and what they're doing, and that takes parenting. You can't be farking lazy like our parents could be if they wanted. But when mom and dad gotta work two jobs each just to make ends meet, what the fark else they gonna do? We wanna blame society but we forget that we ARE society. Wanna fault the parents when we ARE the parents. You want all this to change? Then we have to be the ones to change it by changing ourselves. Stop doing what's easy and start doing what's necessary and right. Otherwise, we need to stop biatching.
 
2013-09-24 02:47:54 PM  

Rurouni: If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.


I think a better way to describe his point is that there's an advantage to being able to gorge yourself when dealing with food scarcity.  Slightly different from being fat, but when there's no food scarcity, not being able to turn off that gorge instinct makes you fat.

/has to quit eating while hungry or else I'll be stuffed
 
2013-09-24 02:49:13 PM  

JohnCarter: So it's OK that the schools
- Pick up kids on the bus
- Provide them meals at a reduced rate
- Provide counseling as needed
- Are legally required to call authorities is they suspect abuse
- Provide before school care in many cases
- Provide after school care in many cases
- Provide contraceptive awareness and in many cases devices
- Test children for a variety of issues (ADD / Speech / Learning disabilities)
- Mainstream handicapped youths

YET

They mention anything about weight and they are over reaching.  Got it


Exactly because being a lardarse is "beautiful" and fat people need extra protection.

We're supposed to overlook the biggest cause of health problems because it might upset someone...

And because many fat people are deluded... they're in denial... because the truth is hard to accept.


I'm a former fatty... from a former fat family. I know losing weight is hard... I know its easier to be in denial... but its wrong for you. All you fatties deserve better for yourselves.

I use the word fatty not to cause offence... but because you should not sugar coat the fact you're fat if you're fat.

Easier to deny the hard truth if you call yourselves full-figured.
 
2013-09-24 02:53:58 PM  
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2013-09-24 02:54:08 PM  

CleanAndPure: JohnCarter: So it's OK that the schools
- Pick up kids on the bus
- Provide them meals at a reduced rate
- Provide counseling as needed
- Are legally required to call authorities is they suspect abuse
- Provide before school care in many cases
- Provide after school care in many cases
- Provide contraceptive awareness and in many cases devices
- Test children for a variety of issues (ADD / Speech / Learning disabilities)
- Mainstream handicapped youths

YET

They mention anything about weight and they are over reaching.  Got it

Exactly because being a lardarse is "beautiful" and fat people need extra protection.

We're supposed to overlook the biggest cause of health problems because it might upset someone...

And because many fat people are deluded... they're in denial... because the truth is hard to accept.


I'm a former fatty... from a former fat family. I know losing weight is hard... I know its easier to be in denial... but its wrong for you. All you fatties deserve better for yourselves.

I use the word fatty not to cause offence... but because you should not sugar coat the fact you're fat if you're fat.

Easier to deny the hard truth if you call yourselves full-figured.


The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on
 
2013-09-24 02:54:10 PM  
Always amused when the doctors measure my wrists (or those of anyone in my family) and discover that we are all, in fact, big boned.  Especially when they do it to try to prove otherwise and the tips of their ears get red and they can't make eye contact.

/Still fat.
// It's just that my ideal is 20lbs heavier than most people my height.
 
2013-09-24 03:01:46 PM  
I have a shameful confession to make: I've gone gluten free.

I've never had any gluten sensitivity before or any food allergies that I know of. My girlfriend coerced me to give up wheat for a month after reading the Wheat Belly book and I went in kicking and screaming. But let me tell you, it works. I hate that it works. I tried convincing people that I had leukemia and that's why I was losing weight. I even cheated a couple times, but it works.

I still eat all the other carbs, potatoes, corn, white rice, etc. And I still drink up a storm, I just do vodka or cider instead of beer. I work out legit maybe once a week and try to be active for awhile most other days, but nothing you would consider "an athletic lifestyle." But the other day, I had to make a couple new holes in my belt with office supplies because my pants were falling off me at work. And I've only been doing this for 3 weeks.

One word of warning though, it doesn't take long for wheat to leave your system. I cheated the other day and had a wendy's burger and a couple beers and I yakked like it was prom night.
 
2013-09-24 03:02:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rurouni: Daemonik: Personally I love the asshats who pop off with "just eat HEALTHY", as if there aren't about a billion different voices all telling you conflicting shiat about what is or isn't  healthy.

Everything that I grew up with as a kid has been declared unhealthy, then healthy again at least twice in my lifetime.  You can eat a diet that's perfectly "healthy", but completely wrong for your system and never farking know except all your life you'll blame yourself for never losing weight.  Even back in the days when food was all natural straight from the farm and every daily task involved incredible amounts of physical labor, people still managed to get fat.

Then there's going to be all the people who are shocked SHOCKED when the kids getting these fat shame letters grow up with some seriously farked up eating disorders.  Then there's going to be the developmental problems caused by some well meaning mom who cuts fat out of her preschooler's diet because of one of these fat letters, because guess what your body requires fat to function and for brain development.  We've already seen some vegan families that have done this exact thing!

Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat.  The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.

Determining what's healthy or unhealthy isn't rocket science. Anyone who buys into the hype of new fad diets is just stupid. The simplest bottom line is eat everything in moderation. Is that single piece of fried chicken going to make you fat? Probably not. Is that entire bucket of fried chicken going to make you fat? Definitely yes. It's mindbogglingly simple.

Btw your last paragraph contains the most bullshiat in your bullshiat post. If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.

The human body evolved to gain fat quickl ...


You're right: eating healthy isn't rocket science. If it's processed, it isn't healthy.

It really, truly is that simple.

Even the GMO shiat is healthier than a Hot Pocket.

Even farm-raised meat you cook at home is healthier than Whataburger.

Personally, I don't eat GMO fruit or vegetables if I can avoid it and I don't eat anything other than grass-fed beef if I can help it, but even if I do, I still feel a hundred times better physically eating fresh meals cooked at home than processed foods. Processed foods literally make me feel physically unwell and fast food (McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell, KFC--any and all) make me physically ill. As in nauseated and feel like I have food poisoning any time I eat them, no matter where I get them from. I guarantee that if you stop eating fast food for a couple of years and then suddenly reintroduce it to your body, it will make you sick. Because your body isn't supposed to be eating farking sawdust!! And whatever the hell else they put in that garbage. It's not hard to figure out what's healthy and it's not hard to eat healthy--it's hard to commit to spending the time to cook for yourself rather than take the quick and easy way.

And by the way, I spend about 30 minutes preparing dinner and I make enough for lunch the next day. If you want breakfast burritos or something, take an hour on a weekend, prepare them at home with free range unbleached eggs and fresh meats and vegetables, freeze them, grab one on Monday, nuke it, and eat it on the way to work. Costs less than a trip to McDonald's every day and in a week or two, you will notice that you feel physically better.
 
2013-09-24 03:03:37 PM  

Snarfangel: FatherChaos: Ruben Navarrette

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]

This guy has written so many (terribly-written) articles trying to defend illegal immigrants.

From what, low-calorie diets?


That would be better than the drivel he actually writes.
 
2013-09-24 03:03:52 PM  

dustygrimp: Always amused when the doctors measure my wrists (or those of anyone in my family) and discover that we are all, in fact, big boned.  Especially when they do it to try to prove otherwise and the tips of their ears get red and they can't make eye contact.

/Still fat.
// It's just that my ideal is 20lbs heavier than most people my height.


I thought I was big boned most of my life (even used to show off my wrist size to smaller female coworkers) until I had my frame measured. I have a medium frame foe a woman. I just used to be fat and apparently I worked woth women who had small frames. I always carried weight well and was fairly muscular but the big bone thing was just a rationalization for being overweight.

I suggest for those of you who fancy yourself big boned, either get it measured or just stop making excuses..
 
2013-09-24 03:06:53 PM  

Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on


Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?
 
2013-09-24 03:08:37 PM  

mike_d85: BMI also fails to account for varying sizes of genetalia. While I don't mind showing up two or three pounds overweight, some of the ladies with the boobies might have some bigger problems.


Boobs aren't "genetalia" [sic].
 
2013-09-24 03:09:31 PM  

Magnanimous_J: I have a shameful confession to make: I've gone gluten free.

I've never had any gluten sensitivity before or any food allergies that I know of. My girlfriend coerced me to give up wheat for a month after reading the Wheat Belly book and I went in kicking and screaming. But let me tell you, it works. I hate that it works. I tried convincing people that I had leukemia and that's why I was losing weight. I even cheated a couple times, but it works.

I still eat all the other carbs, potatoes, corn, white rice, etc. And I still drink up a storm, I just do vodka or cider instead of beer. I work out legit maybe once a week and try to be active for awhile most other days, but nothing you would consider "an athletic lifestyle." But the other day, I had to make a couple new holes in my belt with office supplies because my pants were falling off me at work. And I've only been doing this for 3 weeks.

One word of warning though, it doesn't take long for wheat to leave your system. I cheated the other day and had a wendy's burger and a couple beers and I yakked like it was prom night.


I'm largely gluten free after talking to a cousin who is a doctor and learning that wheat (especially GMO wheat, which is practically all they use now) is terrible for the brain. I've decreased my gluten intake by 95% or more and now when I eat wheat/gluten, I feel terrible physically and notice a huge difference in brain function.

Talked to my own neurologist about this and got a confirmation that they're doing studies on the connection between gluten, caseins, and brain function as it relates to brain injured patients and seeing similar improvements in those who go gluten free and casein free or who greatly reduce their intake while simultaneously increasing protein and fat intake (which I've also done).

Not only did adopting this diet help me take off 50-60 lbs a few years ago, but it's really helped my cognitive functions since my injury. And carbs, for me, are less of an issue because the brain requires a certain level of carb intake in order to function properly. So I tend to shy away from anything that recommends cutting carbs out, but that's just my own 2 cents on that.
 
2013-09-24 03:10:02 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?

I can believe it's not a great measure of overall health, but a "distorted standard of perfection"?


Perhaps the standard as designed was done with good intentions, but it's being abused by far too many extreme people as a rigid little "window", with any deviation outside of it being hyped as if the person was gorging on five Big Macs a day dipped in a tub of mayo.
 
2013-09-24 03:11:22 PM  

Fallout Boy: TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?

America: where no kids are fat anymore. Where there are no stupid or dumb kids. Where there are no losers. Everyone is "differently-abled!"


Sorry that the pool of "people I want to look down on and sneer at" has been greatly reduced for you.
 
2013-09-24 03:12:03 PM  

Rurouni: If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.


That's just silly.

If the human body were designed to get old, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being old.

/not saying fat is good, just that your logic is bad
 
2013-09-24 03:13:13 PM  
Oh look, a cheap easy device that would give a pretty accurate body fat percentage reading:  http://www.amazon.com/Omron-Logic-Monitor-model-HBF-306C/dp/B00006WNP U
 
2013-09-24 03:14:18 PM  

Daemonik: Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat. The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.


Your ancestors never ran into mine. My ancestors relied on being fit, not fat, to get through famines. Just bust some fatty in the head with a rock, drag him back to your cave, and you were good for a week.
 
2013-09-24 03:16:14 PM  

Itstoearly: Oh look, a cheap easy device that would give a pretty accurate body fat percentage reading:  http://www.amazon.com/Omron-Logic-Monitor-model-HBF-306C/dp/B00006WNP U


Here is one for technophobes that does an accurate enough job:

www.momlogic.com
 
2013-09-24 03:16:19 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on

Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?


I'm in between "you can't even tell" (which btw no one says to people who aren't fat) and "your fat jiggles when you run".
 
2013-09-24 03:18:05 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: My ancestors relied on being fit, not fat, to get through famines.


And being able to gorge on the little food they got.
 
2013-09-24 03:20:05 PM  

Aigoo: You're right: eating healthy isn't rocket science. If it's processed, it isn't healthy.

It really, truly is that simple.

Even the GMO shiat is healthier than a Hot Pocket.

Even farm-raised meat you cook at home is healthier than Whataburger.

Personally, I don't eat GMO fruit or vegetables if I can avoid it and I don't eat anything other than grass-fed beef if I can help it, but even if I do, I still feel a hundred times better physically eating fresh meals cooked at home than processed foods. Processed foods literally make me feel physically unwell and fast food (McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell, KFC--any and all) make me physically ill. As in nauseated and feel like I have food poisoning any time I eat them, no matter where I get them from. I guarantee that if you stop eating fast food for a couple of years and then suddenly reintroduce it to your body, it will make you sick. Because your body isn't supposed to be eating farking sawdust!! And whatever the hell else they put in that garbage. It's not hard to figure out what's healthy and it's not hard to eat healthy--it's hard to commit to spending the time to cook for yourself rather than take the quick and easy way.

And by the way, I spend about 30 minutes preparing dinner and I make enough for lunch the next day. If you want breakfast burritos or something, take an hour on a weekend, prepare them at home with free range unbleached eggs and fresh meats and vegetables, freeze them, grab one on Monday, nuke it, and eat it on the way to work. Costs less than a trip to McDonald's every day and in a week or two, you will notice that you feel physically better.


csb:

I'm a bit of an exotic meat fanatic (exotic because of region). My favorite red meat right now is Kangaroo. Very lean, very delicious. Elk, Antelope, and Caribou are also meats I'll order on occasion. My brother also raises rabbits and chickens (for eggs) so I'll get some of that as well. Chicken from the farmers market and wild caught Alaskan/Scottish salmon are my more staple meats. I grow my own avocados, carrots, broccoli and spinach in a hydroponic garden in my backyard. I also have multiple  Moringa Oleifera trees around the house.

Unfortunately, most people can not afford these (besides the chicken* maybe). For some income levels, the sodium preserved processed stuff is all they can afford. This is one of the many reasons our poor in this country also tend to be fat; only able to afford processed food and carb-heavy food, mixed with sedentary lifestyle possibly due to working so many hours. Maybe people don't have the time to work and farm.

*Chicken costs $1.80 / lb at the local farmer's market. In our supermarkets (like Publix) it goes for more than twice that amount.
 
2013-09-24 03:26:22 PM  

Girl Sailor: rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on

Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?

I'm in between "you can't even tell" (which btw no one says to people who aren't fat) and "your fat jiggles when you run".


tasty.  you're a beast in the sack, aren't you?
 
2013-09-24 03:27:02 PM  
Sure, physical health is important and stuff, but what are the school's doing about my child's spiritual health?  They might be concerned about my child's body but what about their eternal soul??
 
2013-09-24 03:40:26 PM  

trappedspirit: Sure, physical health is important and stuff, but what are the school's doing about my child's spiritual health?  They might be concerned about my child's body but what about their eternal soul??


They have special schools for that.
 
2013-09-24 03:41:14 PM  

draypresct: Arthen: Worrying whether or not kids are attractive is not something I want teachers doing. BMI is based on aesthetics, not health.

Nope. BMI independently predicts the risk of mortality in the general population. Unless you believe that's because of aesthetics instead of health...


Nope, being overweight correlates to a lower mortality than normal weight. You have to go to morbidly obese to have a higher mortality than either.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreykabat/2013/01/06/how-useful-is-bo d y-mass-index-in-predicting-long-term-health/
 
2013-09-24 03:41:26 PM  
I read that as our kids' self-image ought to bee more important than their actual health.
 
2013-09-24 03:41:28 PM  

vudukungfu: Here's an idea, fatty McFatterson.
Don't eat more calories than you can burn off and turn into muscle.
Also, STFU and lose some weight.
And making your kid fat is child abuse.
Also, there are starving children in your very city.
Thus the STFU again.


This is sublimely beautiful.  Thanks, Vudu.  Been laughing my ass off since I read this.  And yes, it is rather a fat ass.
 
2013-09-24 03:58:31 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on

Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?

I'm in between "you can't even tell" (which btw no one says to people who aren't fat) and "your fat jiggles when you run".

tasty.  you're a beast in the sack, aren't you?


Only on Friday nights after 11:30pm. Other than that I make vanilla pudding look wild and free.
 
2013-09-24 04:01:33 PM  
I was a rail all the way thru school and college - a 16" pizza, no problem.  Hit the mid 30's though, and the swivel chair got me good and I gained more than 100 lbs.

I went with "South Beach Diet", which is basically a diabetic diet - you give up all white stuff - white flour, corn, white rice, and anything with sugar in it - even fruit in phase I, after you detox you add a few things back into the diet - it's a low glycemic index diet, heavy on veggies and lean proteins, fat is OK.

I lost 100 lbs in a year, and have kept it off for the last two years.  I've of course done a lot since then, in terms of increasing physical activity, but when I went on the diet, all I did was change my diet, after I lost 50, I started skiing again, and lost the rest of it.

Today?  I'm about 5-10 up from my low, but probably that's muscle as I work with a personal trainer 2x a week to get me into skiing condition.

I also gave up alcohol and all soda with sugar.

/feel great
//thanks.
 
2013-09-24 04:10:38 PM  
Sometimes I envy fat people. To be able to eat cookies and ice cream and pies without a care in the world. I only eat fruit, veggies, whole grain breads, lean protein, chocolate milk (for after working out), water, and juice. I'm in great shape but dammit if cookies don't sound good.
 
2013-09-24 04:14:56 PM  

alizeran: [img11.imageshack.us image 615x466]


I am so very tempted to post that picture on a friend's Facebook.  She's one of those people who describes herself as a "militant fat activist" and frequently goes on rants about how she'll unfriend and block you if you post something that even hints to her of "fat shaming."  Which includes posting medical articles that say being hugely fat is bad for you.
 
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