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(CNN)   Chunky writer pens angry column over school sending "your kid's fat" letters home to parents. Fark: Because the school is using BMI as its measure, which as every Farker knows fails to account for their 6'8 frames of solid muscle   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2013-09-24 11:06:12 AM  
His whole argument is a strawman, not all States are using BMI and BMI is a pretty good measure for most people, especially small children who are usually not hardcore athletes.

/If your two-year-old has an "obese" BMI then they're fat and you should probably be getting a visit from social services instead of a letter from the school.
 
2013-09-24 11:08:20 AM  
Schools can't afford foreign language courses, sports programs or music classes. But they found funds for dieticians?

Yes, they did. Sorry your kid isn't "big boned".
 
2013-09-24 11:10:14 AM  
i2.cdn.turner.com
So goddamn fat that even his head wouldn't fit into frame!
Geesh!
 
2013-09-24 11:29:09 AM  
So, your principal says you're fat. Well, I ain't down with that.
 
2013-09-24 12:43:42 PM  
i2.cdn.turner.com

He DOES look a little chunky.

And so concerned.
 
2013-09-24 12:47:52 PM  
I get that BMI isn't a great measure for obesity, but "something that really isn't a school's business: their children's weight" is flat out wrong.  Personal healthcare is just as important to teach as academics.
 
2013-09-24 12:49:30 PM  
Yea, like I'm going to take health advice from a man named after a corned beef sandwich
 
2013-09-24 01:02:31 PM  
Here's an idea, fatty McFatterson.
Don't eat more calories than you can burn off and turn into muscle.
Also, STFU and lose some weight.
And making your kid fat is child abuse.
Also, there are starving children in your very city.
Thus the STFU again.
 
2013-09-24 01:08:29 PM  
"He's not fat, he's just big boned!"

/hated hearing that as a kid
 
2013-09-24 01:14:14 PM  
Ruben Navarrette

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This guy has written so many (terribly-written) articles trying to defend illegal immigrants.
 
2013-09-24 01:14:53 PM  
Schools can't afford foreign language courses, sports programs or music classes. But they found funds for dieticians?

They've even started wasting our tax dollars on head lice inspections.  Last I checked, head lice inspections aren't in the Constitution.
 
2013-09-24 01:15:42 PM  

timujin: I get that BMI isn't a great measure for obesity, but "something that really isn't a school's business: their children's weight" is flat out wrong.  Personal healthcare is just as important to teach as academics.


Yeah I went to a poor district and there was a hygiene class, because some people really just had no clue.

Plus the cynic in me says this might be a CYA thing for schools. I can envision a lawsuit claiming a kid is fat due to conditions at a school.
 
2013-09-24 01:18:29 PM  
The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?
 
2013-09-24 01:18:36 PM  

FatherChaos: Ruben Navarrette

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]

This guy has written so many (terribly-written) articles trying to defend illegal immigrants.


From what, low-calorie diets?
 
2013-09-24 01:18:53 PM  
Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.


www.builtlean.com

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.
 
2013-09-24 01:19:42 PM  
I'm obese. I admit it. Wish I wasn't but I also prefer beer and wine and reefer and pizza and fine French cooking over whatever other options might be out there.

Anyhow, my son is 9 and rail thin. All his friends are pushing obesity already. You can see the little kids plumping up like Ballpark hot dogs day after day. While I don't love that schools have to be involved, anyone with kids knows that schools play a role in helping shape their children. This means they sometimes have to point out things that affect a child's health that the parents may not want to hear.

Bottom line - when the weather gets cold here, parents are reminded to dress kids appropriately so they don't freeze their plump little butts off during recess. Though you would think it's intensely obvious to any halfway sentient person that a kid needs to wear a coat when it's 25 degrees out, not all parents get it. I don't see how this is any different.
 
2013-09-24 01:19:48 PM  
Hey, football teams need lineman.
 
2013-09-24 01:20:10 PM  
Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.
 
2013-09-24 01:21:21 PM  
Nice work, subby! Pet peeve of mine.

Along with: "I'm such a tubby fark coz I've got a thyroid problem!!"
// a few weeks ago I think that attention wh0re Oprah Winfrey was banging on about "my thyroid made me tubby!!"
 
2013-09-24 01:22:27 PM  
So you have a kid who's an elite athlete, and you get a letter from the school concerning the kid's BMI.
How devastating.
At least you have Ruben Navarrette, mouth breathing fat ass dip shiat from CNN, on your side.
 
2013-09-24 01:22:51 PM  

the_end_is_rear: Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.


Hmm, sounds like they would be soft to land on.
 
2013-09-24 01:23:03 PM  
Bmi for the average adult is a great tool, but it's really touchy with children, as the ideal changes constantly with age. Kids born premature may be small for their age until after puberty. You also have kids who chub up a little right before a growth spurt and then become beanpoles. That being said, the school has every obligation to let you know your kid is too fat. Bmi is just kinder than "Timmy has love handles and waddles during dodgeball."
 
2013-09-24 01:23:13 PM  

the_end_is_rear: Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.



Butbutbut that's so anti-body acceptance.
 
2013-09-24 01:23:28 PM  
Well they have a point, Most of the NFL is "grossly obese" according to the BMI, and frankly the BMI was invented by a group of UN scientists who were pushing a "sustainability" agenda which posits that smaller humans use less resources.   But, by all means since it has numbers and everything let's just assume the BMI is science gospel and agree to its labels

/Sound fat
/Probably am, but 150 lbs less so than I used to be, and not at all according to the BMI
 
2013-09-24 01:24:42 PM  
It's just going to confuse people when it turns out a BMI of 22 is actually fat as hell when you're three and a half feet tall.

/bmi = (height^2) / weight
//turns out humans aren't really two dimensional
 
2013-09-24 01:25:01 PM  

Girl Sailor: Bottom line - when the weather gets cold here, parents are reminded to dress kids appropriately so they don't freeze their plump little butts off during recess. Though you would think it's intensely obvious to any halfway sentient person that a kid needs to wear a coat when it's 25 degrees out, not all parents get it. I don't see how this is any different.


I see two birds with one stone.  "Hey kid, if you don't want to be cold then RUN during recess instead of sitting on the bench playing Angry Birds!"
 
2013-09-24 01:27:53 PM  
The only measure should be:  Can the student fit into a normal sized seat?  Or, is their diameter larger than their length?
 
2013-09-24 01:28:12 PM  
BMI also fails to account for varying sizes of genetalia. While I don't mind showing up two or three pounds overweight, some of the ladies with the boobies might have some bigger problems.
 
2013-09-24 01:28:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: At least you have Ruben Navarrette, mouth breathing fat ass dip shiat from CNN, on your side.


I laughed
 
2013-09-24 01:28:50 PM  

InfrasonicTom: the_end_is_rear: Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.


Butbutbut that's so anti-body acceptance.


I have friends here that are big. They are never going to be skinny.
With that being said. In my mind, they are still fitter that a lot of people.
And they are out doing what they can.
Any they were not the ones blocking the stairwell.
 
2013-09-24 01:29:15 PM  
The parents of elementary school students in 19 states -- including Arkansas, Illinois, California and Massachusetts -- are receiving letters regarding something that really isn't a school's business: their children's weight.

Stopped reading right there.  Yes, physical education is the school's business.
 
2013-09-24 01:29:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?


I can believe it's not a great measure of overall health, but a "distorted standard of perfection"?

A few years back I had a BMI of 30.5, which is borderline obese.  I was fat.

I'm now at a BMI of 23.6.  This is technically normal (18.5-25)  I'm *still* a bit overweight- my body fat % according to my scale is about 18.5 which is right in the correct range for my age (47), but I could easily lose another 5 pounds.  BMI certainly doesn't force you to be a skeleton
 
2013-09-24 01:31:38 PM  
So, he didn't complain about the eye exams, the scoliosis checks, the hearing checks...but as soon as somebody points out that yes, his chubbo is obese from daily McDonald's and KFC? I WILL KILL YOU ALL!!!

And I'm sorry, I'm one of those examples of somebody who's simply not able to use BMI (I'm 6'1", 280, and optimal weight is about 250 for me), but I'll be the first to say that BMI is perfectly acceptable for an 8-year-old...hell, until WELL into adolescence, when some rare boys will start to become ridiculously athletic, it's a perfectly fine measurement.

//Why yes, I do look like a brick with arms, why do you ask?
 
2013-09-24 01:32:47 PM  

Genju: Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.


They probably don't want to use a more invasive measure. They really don't encourage teachers who want to spend a lot of time touching the students...

I also think the skin fold test is more subjective. Depending on how well-trained the gym teachers are, you could wind up with biased data.
 
2013-09-24 01:33:01 PM  
Holy- that guy is a nationally syndicated columnist?? That thing read like the whiny "why we shouldn't have a dress code" papers everyone seemed to churn when we were being taught persuasive writing in 7th grade!
 
2013-09-24 01:33:18 PM  

Girl Sailor: I'm obese. I admit it. Wish I wasn't but I also prefer beer and wine and reefer and pizza and fine French cooking over whatever other options might be out there.

Anyhow, my son is 9 and rail thin. All his friends are pushing obesity already. You can see the little kids plumping up like Ballpark hot dogs day after day. While I don't love that schools have to be involved, anyone with kids knows that schools play a role in helping shape their children. This means they sometimes have to point out things that affect a child's health that the parents may not want to hear.

Bottom line - when the weather gets cold here, parents are reminded to dress kids appropriately so they don't freeze their plump little butts off during recess. Though you would think it's intensely obvious to any halfway sentient person that a kid needs to wear a coat when it's 25 degrees out, not all parents get it. I don't see how this is any different.


Problem is nobody who calls themselves a "dietician" or "Nutritionist" honestly has the first freaking clue about wy kids are getting fat or how to help them lose weight.

I used to be gigantically fat, and I'm not now, and to get from there to here I basically had to ignore every bit of conventional wisdom on how to lose weight to do it.   Years of hard-core calroie restriction and daily exercise was getting me fatter.  Stopping counting anything but carbs, and eating as much fat and protien as I wanted made me lose 100 lbs in 3 months.

Not only are humans getting fatter, but so are domestic animals AND Laboratory animals.   That's not a lack of willpower, that's clearly something enviromental.  My money is on either evironmental estrogens, or Hgh Fructose corn Syrup.   HFCS defenders claim it is identical calorically to sugar but lab experiement after lab experiment  show mice getting fatter with it than fed an indentical diet of sugar.   And this makes sense, because Calories do not determine weight gain (especially fat gain) your INSULIN RESPONSE to the calories consumed does.  and it is entirely possible that the tace chemical structures in NCFS allow them to be asorbed from gut to bloodstream faster than regularl sugar (celiac's disease does the same thing for wheat gluten) causing greater insulin reactions and higher weight gain.
 
2013-09-24 01:33:39 PM  
Worrying whether or not kids are attractive is not something I want teachers doing. BMI is based on aesthetics, not health.
 
2013-09-24 01:34:47 PM  
"Your kid is the appropriate weight for a pony. Is your child a pony?"
 
2013-09-24 01:35:17 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?


We're not talking about achieving perfection, we're talking about a nation where 30% of kids are obese, not just overweight, obese, many of them morbidly so. We need to get off of operation snowflake and pretending everything our kids do is great, and start doing some frickin parenting. A few well built kids might have their parents get letters, and if I had a kid and got that letter, I'd do some evaluating of my own, but I'd certainly be able to take a realistic look at whether or not my kid was a football player or a Dungeons and Dragons player with some Mountain Dew in one hand and Doritos in the other.
 
2013-09-24 01:36:15 PM  

Genju: Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.


[www.builtlean.com image 322x247]

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.


Outside of jock wannabe-athletes using it to boost online just how alpha they are, nobody associated in health promotion (see: contributing members of society) anywhere have ever gave two shiat about your unscientific and stupid measurement.
 
2013-09-24 01:36:18 PM  

draypresct: Genju: Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.

They probably don't want to use a more invasive measure. They really don't encourage teachers who want to spend a lot of time touching the students...

I also think the skin fold test is more subjective. Depending on how well-trained the gym teachers are, you could wind up with biased data.


Possibly. But remember as a kid you had to take those vision and hearing tests? Something like that. School nurse maybe.
 
2013-09-24 01:37:36 PM  
Completely Agrees

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2013-09-24 01:38:17 PM  
Because internet.

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2013-09-24 01:38:58 PM  

alizeran: Because internet.

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It's all diet coke in there... that means it is good for you, right?
 
2013-09-24 01:39:00 PM  
Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".

/stop stuffing your face, asshat
//stop stuffin your kids' faces
 
2013-09-24 01:40:36 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?


America: where no kids are fat anymore. Where there are no stupid or dumb kids. Where there are no losers. Everyone is "differently-abled!"
 
2013-09-24 01:41:25 PM  

firefly212: alizeran: Because internet.

[img545.imageshack.us image 500x334]

It's all diet coke in there... that means it is good for you, right?


She's watching her figure
 
2013-09-24 01:41:41 PM  
At first I thought they were sending your kid's fat home, and I thought maybe this was like the Hannibal Lecter Elementary school or something, but then I realized I read the headline too fast.

I agree with the writer, though. It's wrong. It's not going to help the kids' self esteem. Instead, they should send "Your kid's phat" letters home. That would probably make those kids feel a lot better about themselves.
 
2013-09-24 01:42:39 PM  
At 48 my BMI is 27 - solidly in the  overweight category. Yet my dunk tank body fat is only 15%. For my age group that's 'ideal' verging on athlete... and I'm 5' 7" and only lift weighs sparingly.

Yes, I realize the limitations of BMI. That said, if I lost the weight required (15-20 .lbs) to be 'normal' according to BMI every person I saw would assume I had some horrible wasting disease.
 
2013-09-24 01:44:44 PM  
Does this mean that the schools that sent the letters can be arrested for bullying? How would that work, just the principal or all the teachers? Surprised to see this in the days of "Nobody Loses So That Nobody's Feelings Get Hurt".
 
2013-09-24 01:44:49 PM  
BMI fails to account for the fact that I've digested my own bones and am basically a pliable spheroid. If you push me, do I not bounce?
 
2013-09-24 01:45:15 PM  

alizeran: Because internet.

[img545.imageshack.us image 500x334]


b1969d.medialib.glogster.com
 
2013-09-24 01:45:17 PM  
I was a scrawny kid, filled out well as a teenager, now am fat and bald. Someone defend me!
 
2013-09-24 01:46:16 PM  
Wouldn't BMI be a bit more accurate for younger children? You're not going to be packing on huge muscles before puberty.
 
2013-09-24 01:46:43 PM  

you have pee hands: It's just going to confuse people when it turns out a BMI of 22 is actually fat as hell when you're three and a half feet tall.

/bmi = (height^2) / weight
//turns out humans aren't really two dimensional


You've inverted the BMI formula.

Also, your horizontal cross-section _is_ two dimensional. Think about how the square-cube law works, and you'll see why it's height squared.
 
2013-09-24 01:48:06 PM  

mediablitz: Schools can't afford foreign language courses, sports programs or music classes. But they found funds for dieticians?

Yes, they did. Sorry your kid isn't "big boned".


My kids elementary school teaches Spanish and Mandarin. My Jr. High daughter just started band class. He should move to a better neighborhood.
 
2013-09-24 01:48:19 PM  
It isn't perfect science, but then again you don't need to be a scientist to see that a kid is fat.
 
2013-09-24 01:49:48 PM  

Arthen: Worrying whether or not kids are attractive is not something I want teachers doing. BMI is based on aesthetics, not health.


Nope. BMI independently predicts the risk of mortality in the general population. Unless you believe that's because of aesthetics instead of health...
 
2013-09-24 01:50:43 PM  

TechnoHead: Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".


I got one of these letters for my son, putting his BMI at under 1% (too thin) and suggesting that I take him to his pediatrician. We freaked out for a bit, set up the appointment, and then watched his doctor roll her eyes and ask if we'd gotten a letter from the school. He's fine, and I'm annoyed enough to say that BMI is BS, and my son is not too thin.

Magorn: ...frankly the BMI was invented by a group of UN scientists who were pushing a "sustainability" agenda which posits that smaller humans use less resources.


Whatever you think about BMI it was invented about 100 years before the UN came into existence. That's part of the problem - it was a back of the envelope calculation from before the US civil war, and ignores everything we've learned since.
 
2013-09-24 01:50:49 PM  

mediablitz: Schools can't afford foreign language courses, sports programs or music classes. But they found funds for dieticians?

Yes, they did. Sorry your kid isn't "big boned".


Not knowing French won't give your child diabetes, but being fat just might. Since the sad thing is some parents won't do the parenting job of keeping their children healthy, schools have to step in.
 
2013-09-24 01:51:09 PM  
"'I have a thyroid problem.' Is 'thyroid' a type of gravy?"
 
2013-09-24 01:51:25 PM  

Magorn: Problem is nobody who calls themselves a "dietician" or "Nutritionist" honestly has the first freaking clue about wy kids are getting fat or how to help them lose weight.

I used to be gigantically fat, and I'm not now, and to get from there to here I basically had to ignore every bit of conventional wisdom on how to lose weight to do it.   Years of hard-core calroie restriction and daily exercise was getting me fatter.  Stopping counting anything but carbs, and eating as much fat and protien as I wanted made me lose 100 lbs in 3 months.

Not only are humans getting fatter, but so are domestic animals AND Laboratory animals.   That's not a lack of willpower, that's clearly something enviromental.  My money is on either evironmental estrogens, or Hgh Fructose corn Syrup.   HFCS defenders claim it is identical calorically to sugar but lab experiement after lab experiment  show mice getting fatter with it than fed an indentical diet of sugar.   And this makes sense, because Calories do not determine weight gain (especially fat gain) your I ...


Yeah? And just how soon do YOU have to be in the gym?  I need to be there in 26 minutes. And 3 hours. After work, but before my wife comes home so I don't ignore her, and after I grade papers...

Seriously, though, there  is a reason for all the HFCS hate. I've got a friend who cut herself off of all fountain drinks and nothing else, and she lost 15 pounds in a month. Just from the fizzy stuff. I tried it, lost only 5 pounds (then again, I never drank a lot of the stuff in the first place - every time I have a soda burp, I can feel the back of my eyes burning). Then you look up how much HFCS is in a lot of things here in America...

/100 pounds in 3 months is impressive, gotta say
 
2013-09-24 01:51:56 PM  
We have better methods, and we should be using them. We did use some of them, once upon a time, and seem to have switched only to save a couple of cents and a tiny bit of time. A better solution would be to use BMI as an initial screen, and then run real tests on the people whose BMI shows a red flag.

But it is true that most of the BMI-detractors are in denial about their own weight. I'm not: my BMI is out of whack, but I am in fact overweight (previously athletic, now out of shape). At the same time, this is a reflection of a society enamored with easy numbers, accuracy be damned, over the performing the work required to actually test people. Which may be part of what got us here in the first place.
 
2013-09-24 01:53:21 PM  
For the vast majority of people bmi works.

Yes extreme athletes will off the chart.


Regarding weight lifters and NFL players...

Most of them are fat! Yeah they have muscles too... but are you seriously suggesting NFL players aren't covered in lots of blubber too?

Should call it armoured "American sumo wrestling with a rubber egg"... not "american football".

Yes... sumo wrestlers have to have muscles too.


NFL... fat.
Baseball... beer bellied pussies.


Now hockey players, basketball players... you'll never find them over 25 bmi.

Stop using lardarse NFL players as an excuse... unless you're Arnie 20 years ago... if you are over 25 bmi you are probably fat.
(Over 6ft and 220lbs... so don't say you are 250lbs of muscle anyone... you're not... if you are 250lbs you have excess fat)

Doesn't mean you can't be healthy... health and fat are related but not mutually exclusive.


Face it deniers... you are all fatty fat heads.
 
2013-09-24 01:54:04 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: At first I thought they were sending your kid's fat home, and I thought maybe this was like the Hannibal Lecter Elementary school or something, but then I realized I read the headline too fast.

I agree with the writer, though. It's wrong. It's not going to help the kids' self esteem. Instead, they should send "Your kid's phat" letters home. That would probably make those kids feel a lot better about themselves.


At least those "fat camps" are starting to die out (at least they are around here). Those things only really work in the short term. The kid has to want to be fit; same as adults. For me it is also a stress relief from my desk job.
 
2013-09-24 01:54:40 PM  
I thought fat people were jolly?
 
2013-09-24 01:54:44 PM  

shifty lookin bleeder: So, your principal says you're fat. Well, I ain't down with that.


i44.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-24 01:57:08 PM  

Girl Sailor: I'm obese. I admit it. Wish I wasn't but I ... can see the little kids plumping up like Ballpark hot dogs day after day. While I don't love ... .


You may have a food obsession.
 
2013-09-24 01:57:14 PM  

Willas Tyrell: TechnoHead: Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".

I got one of these letters for my son, putting his BMI at under 1% (too thin) and suggesting that I take him to his pediatrician. We freaked out for a bit, set up the appointment, and then watched his doctor roll her eyes and ask if we'd gotten a letter from the school. He's fine, and I'm annoyed enough to say that BMI is BS, and my son is not too thin.


Out of curiosity, how old was your son at the time? One of my friends got a similar concerning letter about her daughter's weight, and the doctor laughed and said "your daughter is going through puberty. This is normal!"
 
2013-09-24 01:58:16 PM  

Willas Tyrell: TechnoHead: Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".

I got one of these letters for my son, putting his BMI at under 1% (too thin) and suggesting that I take him to his pediatrician. We freaked out for a bit, set up the appointment, and then watched his doctor roll her eyes and ask if we'd gotten a letter from the school. He's fine, and I'm annoyed enough to say that BMI is BS, and my son is not too thin.

Magorn: ...frankly the BMI was invented by a group of UN scientists who were pushing a "sustainability" agenda which posits that smaller humans use less resources.

Whatever you think about BMI it was invented about 100 years before the UN came into existence. That's part of the problem - it was a back of the envelope calculation from before the US civil war, and ignores everything we've learned since.


I'll agree that it's inaccurate on an individual basis, but think of it as a cheap, easy first screener. The doctor did exactly what he/she should have, but out of every N kids they roll their eyes for, they might catch one kid who needs help (e.g. A serious food intolerance, neglect, kidney failure, etc.).

A more exact test would lower the N, but would cost more.
 
2013-09-24 01:58:58 PM  

Voiceofreason01: His whole argument is a strawman, not all States are using BMI and BMI is a pretty good measure for most people, especially small children who are usually not hardcore athletes.

/If your two-year-old has an "obese" BMI then they're fat and you should probably be getting a visit from social services instead of a letter from the school.


Are you nuts? A two year old? Really?

"Baby fat" does exist. In fact, all babies are little roly-polies. Chunker dunks. Porkers. Most toddlers are too. Because that fat protects them when they fall. Not if. When.

Because the little ankle-biters don't gain coordination until, oh, about 5 or so. If they're lucky. My landlord's kid is 6 and he still has his baby fat. I didn't gain that coordination until about 12--which, incidentally, is when I lost--naturally--that fat I carried since I was a little baby. Literally, over the summer, grew out of it and gained about 4 inches of height. Ate my poor grandfather out of house and home, poor guy had to buy me an entire new wardrobe, and my mother and father barely recognized me when they came to see me.

Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.
 
2013-09-24 01:59:24 PM  
My BMI rating is obese, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-09-24 01:59:41 PM  

Willas Tyrell: TechnoHead: Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".

I got one of these letters for my son, putting his BMI at under 1% (too thin) and suggesting that I take him to his pediatrician. We freaked out for a bit, set up the appointment, and then watched his doctor roll her eyes and ask if we'd gotten a letter from the school. He's fine, and I'm annoyed enough to say that BMI is BS, and my son is not too thin.

Magorn: ...frankly the BMI was invented by a group of UN scientists who were pushing a "sustainability" agenda which posits that smaller humans use less resources.

Whatever you think about BMI it was invented about 100 years before the UN came into existence. That's part of the problem - it was a back of the envelope calculation from before the US civil war, and ignores everything we've learned since.

BMI is so imperfect that it can significantly underestimate the fattness of our current population. I would prefer professionals use bodyfat testing, but apparently people are too lazy, incompetent, cheap or afraid to touch kids. Also, many bf% formulas dont apply to children.
 
2013-09-24 02:00:47 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: I'm obese. I admit it. Wish I wasn't but I ... can see the little kids plumping up like Ballpark hot dogs day after day. While I don't love ... .

You may have a food obsession.


I'm just into it for fun! I can't quit anytime I want! You don't know me!! I HATE THIS HOUSE!!
 
2013-09-24 02:01:54 PM  
Some parents need it. My sister was gripping the other day she got a letter about my niece being overweight. I said she could stand to lose a few pounds and my sister went on a tirade how she has asthma and can't exercise. I said she could do yoga, pilates, swimming, or any number of low impact exercising WHILE watching what she eats. My sister screamed back at me how she only lets her kids eat healthy things.

Then not four hours later she posts on Facebook how they made edible cookie-dough, monkey bread, pudding, and were having chocolate pancakes for dinner. "Just another Friday movie night!" Yup...so healthy and nutritious. Gee I just can't fathom why my niece has weight issues.

/My BIL has also been chubby his whole life, so genetics work against her.
//He also works PT a McD's which is dinner most nights when my sister is too lazy to cook
///Sister hasn't cooked dinner in two weeks that I know about.
 
2013-09-24 02:02:05 PM  

Aigoo: Voiceofreason01: His whole argument is a strawman, not all States are using BMI and BMI is a pretty good measure for most people, especially small children who are usually not hardcore athletes.

/If your two-year-old has an "obese" BMI then they're fat and you should probably be getting a visit from social services instead of a letter from the school.

Are you nuts? A two year old? Really?

"Baby fat" does exist. In fact, all babies are little roly-polies. Chunker dunks. Porkers. Most toddlers are too. Because that fat protects them when they fall. Not if. When.

Because the little ankle-biters don't gain coordination until, oh, about 5 or so. If they're lucky. My landlord's kid is 6 and he still has his baby fat. I didn't gain that coordination until about 12--which, incidentally, is when I lost--naturally--that fat I carried since I was a little baby. Literally, over the summer, grew out of it and gained about 4 inches of height. Ate my poor grandfather out of house and home, poor guy had to buy me an entire new wardrobe, and my mother and father barely recognized me when they came to see me.

Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.


This ties in with my previous post. Puberty usually means the end of baby fat stores as they're consumed in the growth process and hormone changes associated with it. In other words, agree with you.
 
2013-09-24 02:02:33 PM  
I think it's a good idea for schools to screen students. I was overweight most of my life, after I got out of athletics. It sucks. At my heaviest I was around 200 and my joints hurt all the time.

I just did the bmi calculator on webmd. I'm proud to say it's 23.5 and my waist to height ratio is .48. Both are within the healthy range. :-)
 
2013-09-24 02:02:57 PM  
Although BMI is not perfect, if you're ringing in at 32 BMI that just might be a wake up call.

I'm at 25.1 right now, and I exercise moderately. And yes, I could drop a few pounds. It's not bad, but I'd like a little less around the middle. A BMI of 22 would probably be perfect

I think one problem is we're now so used to a fatter society. Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.
 
2013-09-24 02:03:35 PM  
www.feelingoodtees.com
 
2013-09-24 02:04:07 PM  
Wait, stop, hold it.  A guy named "Ruben" is complaining about schools calling kids fat? Are there NO art-history majors in the land of Fark?

www.nationalgallery.org.uk

Not impressed.
 
2013-09-24 02:04:19 PM  

Genju: Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.


[www.builtlean.com image 322x247]

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.


You realize that BMI actually has a tighter standard? I fall in the normal range (for a 40-year-old woman) of around 23-24% (depending on what time of year it is--winter/holidays, 24%). Anything higher, and by BMI standards, I am considered "overweight," and my doctor starts having a hissy fit. Even using those little digital machines at the gym (you know the ones you hold on to and they send some kind of current through to measure), I fall in the same range--a little lower, actually--because the machines measure me about 2-3% lower than a BMI "calculation" does.
 
2013-09-24 02:05:10 PM  
Well Jonathan Swift once again comes to the rescue and gives us good guidance on how to handle the nation's childhood obesity epidemic.  Following his modest proposal, not only will we be able to solve the problem permanently but we will also be able to put a serious dent in hunger problems facing the US.
 
2013-09-24 02:05:10 PM  
BMI again.

Great, can we also talk about other really cool "School of Vienna" scientific marvels.

Like phrenology and eugenics?
 
2013-09-24 02:05:18 PM  

theorellior: . Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.


I know, that's so depressing. Check out some movies from the late 70's. People are supermodel thin by today's standards. Of course there was a certain white intoxicant that the people were into back then that wasn't helping anything. I still agree though.
 
2013-09-24 02:06:04 PM  

Publikwerks: firefly212: alizeran: Because internet.

[img545.imageshack.us image 500x334]

It's all diet coke in there... that means it is good for you, right?

She's watching her figure


She has no choice, because it blocks out EVERYTHING ELSE.
 
2013-09-24 02:06:15 PM  

CleanAndPure: Now hockey players, basketball players... you'll never find them over 25 bmi.


Dustin Byfuglien/ Kyle Wellwood jokes go here.
 
2013-09-24 02:06:17 PM  
This is just like the thyroid thing... sure a couple percent of obese people have medical disorders causing it... and sure, a couple percent of people with a BMI of over 30 are actually healthy.... but the other 95+ percent are not, and as a parent raising a kid, you need to be aware of the fact that your child's weight could put them at risk for a litany of terribly problems both early on and later in life. Instead of being angry that someone told you your kid is fat, you should feel guilty that you let it get to that point in the first place. Killing your kids with McDonalds is no better than killing them with any other poison.
 
2013-09-24 02:07:44 PM  

Slam1263: BMI again.

Great, can we also talk about other really cool "School of Vienna" scientific marvels.

Like phrenology and eugenics?


Spend the energy blaming the metrics or fixing the problem, fatty.
 
2013-09-24 02:08:10 PM  

Aigoo: Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.


"Baby fat" is usually gone in active children by 3-4 years of age.  I have three kids, and all were lean and athletic by 3. Of the 17 children that live on our street all under the age of 12, there is one age 8 that is still fat.  And he will always be fat. Because his father is fat.  And they eat like shiat.  It's not "babyfat."
 
2013-09-24 02:08:17 PM  
I think the problem in America is the fear of calling fat people fat.

We can call diabetics diabetic. Blind people blind.

Fat is becoming a taboo word.

Why? If someone is fat we should label them so. It is a medical condition such as diabetes.

It is perhaps the most easy disease to cure.

Stop being so sensitive fatsos. Lose weight.


/ formerly overweight... close to obese.
 
2013-09-24 02:09:51 PM  

Zik-Zak: Magorn: Problem is nobody who calls themselves a "dietician" or "Nutritionist" honestly has the first freaking clue about wy kids are getting fat or how to help them lose weight.

I used to be gigantically fat, and I'm not now, and to get from there to here I basically had to ignore every bit of conventional wisdom on how to lose weight to do it.   Years of hard-core calroie restriction and daily exercise was getting me fatter.  Stopping counting anything but carbs, and eating as much fat and protien as I wanted made me lose 100 lbs in 3 months.

Not only are humans getting fatter, but so are domestic animals AND Laboratory animals.   That's not a lack of willpower, that's clearly something enviromental.  My money is on either evironmental estrogens, or Hgh Fructose corn Syrup.   HFCS defenders claim it is identical calorically to sugar but lab experiement after lab experiment  show mice getting fatter with it than fed an indentical diet of sugar.   And this makes sense, because Calories do not determine weight gain (especially fat gain) your I ...

Yeah? And just how soon do YOU have to be in the gym?  I need to be there in 26 minutes. And 3 hours. After work, but before my wife comes home so I don't ignore her, and after I grade papers...

Seriously, though, there  is a reason for all the HFCS hate. I've got a friend who cut herself off of all fountain drinks and nothing else, and she lost 15 pounds in a month. Just from the fizzy stuff. I tried it, lost only 5 pounds (then again, I never drank a lot of the stuff in the first place - every time I have a soda burp, I can feel the back of my eyes burning). Then you look up how much HFCS is in a lot of things here in America...

/100 pounds in 3 months is impressive, gotta say


Impressively unhealthy, maybe. Got a friend who's lost 100lbs in nine months through changing his lifestyle, diet, and exercising. If he'd lost 100lbs in 3 months, I'd be marching his ass to a doctor.
 
2013-09-24 02:11:59 PM  
Well, as it happens, BMI isn't supposed to be applied to children. Still, they could use height-weight percentiles to determine weight problems and alert the parents.
 
2013-09-24 02:14:05 PM  

Genju: Aigoo: Voiceofreason01: His whole argument is a strawman, not all States are using BMI and BMI is a pretty good measure for most people, especially small children who are usually not hardcore athletes.

/If your two-year-old has an "obese" BMI then they're fat and you should probably be getting a visit from social services instead of a letter from the school.

Are you nuts? A two year old? Really?

"Baby fat" does exist. In fact, all babies are little roly-polies. Chunker dunks. Porkers. Most toddlers are too. Because that fat protects them when they fall. Not if. When.

Because the little ankle-biters don't gain coordination until, oh, about 5 or so. If they're lucky. My landlord's kid is 6 and he still has his baby fat. I didn't gain that coordination until about 12--which, incidentally, is when I lost--naturally--that fat I carried since I was a little baby. Literally, over the summer, grew out of it and gained about 4 inches of height. Ate my poor grandfather out of house and home, poor guy had to buy me an entire new wardrobe, and my mother and father barely recognized me when they came to see me.

Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.

This ties in with my previous post. Puberty usually means the end of baby fat stores as they're consumed in the growth process and hormone changes associated with it. In other words, agree with you.


That's what I was trying to say, more or less, but the blatant raging stupidity of the OP I quoted with calling social services about a two year old being fat just mind boggled me so much I couldn't think straight.
 
2013-09-24 02:15:54 PM  

Zik-Zak: Magorn: Problem is nobody who calls themselves a "dietician" or "Nutritionist" honestly has the first freaking clue about wy kids are getting fat or how to help them lose weight.

I used to be gigantically fat, and I'm not now, and to get from there to here I basically had to ignore every bit of conventional wisdom on how to lose weight to do it.   Years of hard-core calroie restriction and daily exercise was getting me fatter.  Stopping counting anything but carbs, and eating as much fat and protien as I wanted made me lose 100 lbs in 3 months.

Not only are humans getting fatter, but so are domestic animals AND Laboratory animals.   That's not a lack of willpower, that's clearly something enviromental.  My money is on either evironmental estrogens, or Hgh Fructose corn Syrup.   HFCS defenders claim it is identical calorically to sugar but lab experiement after lab experiment  show mice getting fatter with it than fed an indentical diet of sugar.   And this makes sense, because Calories do not determine weight gain (especially fat gain) your I ...

Yeah? And just how soon do YOU have to be in the gym?  I need to be there in 26 minutes. And 3 hours. After work, but before my wife comes home so I don't ignore her, and after I grade papers...

Seriously, though, there  is a reason for all the HFCS hate. I've got a friend who cut herself off of all fountain drinks and nothing else, and she lost 15 pounds in a month. Just from the fizzy stuff. I tried it, lost only 5 pounds (then again, I never drank a lot of the stuff in the first place - every time I have a soda burp, I can feel the back of my eyes burning). Then you look up how much HFCS is in a lot of things here in America...

/100 pounds in 3 months is impressive, gotta say


The sad thing is is really shouldn't have been impressive but it was.  The years prior when I tried to keep under 1500 cal a day even when my hands shook from low blood sugar, ad worked out every single day, including weekends and holidaysand basically lost 4 ld from 333 to 329...that was hard...  when I watched myself balloon to 370 when I cut back the gym to 3 days a week, that was terrifying.

But Low carbing?  Ridiculously easy.  I ate things I hadn;t eaten in YEARS peanut butter, Cheese, bacon (and contrary to sterotypes at a LOT more veggies, and learend to like broccoli, asparagus, cauliflower, and cabbage which i had hated previously).  and even got so busy the gym was right out most weeks and I still literally had the weight fall off me, at one point 2lbs a day.  And even bfore the wieght dropped off my High BP went down to normal, my airways opened dramatically and my Cholesterol numbers made my doc weep with joy (And this is even though a quick lunch for me those days would be a pair of MCDees double cheeseburgers w/o the bun (prior to which i hadn;t had anything from Mcdonalds in a decade))

and the weight stayed off even after I got complacent and started eating like crap again for a whole decade.   Then last cotober after being diagnosed with advanced type II beetus, I did it again and in 4 months lost another easy 50 and , as far as my doc is concerned basically cured the Beetus (11.0 A1C at Diagnosis  5.1 three months later, and holding there now...though I do take 2mg daily of amaryl as a precaution)
 
2013-09-24 02:19:13 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Aigoo: Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.

"Baby fat" is usually gone in active children by 3-4 years of age.  I have three kids, and all were lean and athletic by 3. Of the 17 children that live on our street all under the age of 12, there is one age 8 that is still fat.  And he will always be fat. Because his father is fat.  And they eat like shiat.  It's not "babyfat."


I should clarify... the folds/rolls of visible baby fat should be gone.  That said, the mass of a child is mostly fat, and not muscle.  But they shouldn't appear fat at all.  That's a lack of activity.
 
2013-09-24 02:19:15 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Aigoo: Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.

"Baby fat" is usually gone in active children by 3-4 years of age.  I have three kids, and all were lean and athletic by 3. Of the 17 children that live on our street all under the age of 12, there is one age 8 that is still fat.  And he will always be fat. Because his father is fat.  And they eat like shiat.  It's not "babyfat."


You can tell the difference between an active kid still carrying fat stores that'll be gone in puberty and a fat kid who eats shiat.

Give me a farking break.

And I was referring to calling CPS on a TWO YEAR OLD.

Because that is the height of idiocy right there. But hey, you don't mind having CPS called on you for your two year old having baby fat rolls? Fine by me. Not my problem.
 
2013-09-24 02:19:21 PM  
That writer and is inane and moronic views is precisely why I've stopped visiting CNN on a daily basis like I used to. Now I just come straight to Fark.
 
2013-09-24 02:20:57 PM  

CleanAndPure: For the vast majority of people bmi works.

Yes extreme athletes will off the chart.


Regarding weight lifters and NFL players...

Most of them are fat! Yeah they have muscles too... but are you seriously suggesting NFL players aren't covered in lots of blubber too?

Should call it armoured "American sumo wrestling with a rubber egg"... not "american football".

Yes... sumo wrestlers have to have muscles too.


NFL... fat.
Baseball... beer bellied pussies.


Now hockey players, basketball players... you'll never find them over 25 bmi.

Stop using lardarse NFL players as an excuse... unless you're Arnie 20 years ago... if you are over 25 bmi you are probably fat.
(Over 6ft and 220lbs... so don't say you are 250lbs of muscle anyone... you're not... if you are 250lbs you have excess fat)

Doesn't mean you can't be healthy... health and fat are related but not mutually exclusive.


Face it deniers... you are all fatty fat heads.


with BMIs of over 26 both of these men are overweight and knocking on the door of Obese according to the BMI"
www.naturalheightgrowth.com
 
2013-09-24 02:22:19 PM  
From his look, the photographer was probably dangling a piece of delicious bacon next to the camera when he snapped the picture:
i2.cdn.turner.com

Hopefully he was able to escape with all fingers intact.
 
2013-09-24 02:23:35 PM  
Personally I love the asshats who pop off with "just eat HEALTHY", as if there aren't about a billion different voices all telling you conflicting shiat about what is or isn't  healthy.

Everything that I grew up with as a kid has been declared unhealthy, then healthy again at least twice in my lifetime.  You can eat a diet that's perfectly "healthy", but completely wrong for your system and never farking know except all your life you'll blame yourself for never losing weight.  Even back in the days when food was all natural straight from the farm and every daily task involved incredible amounts of physical labor, people still managed to get fat.

Then there's going to be all the people who are shocked SHOCKED when the kids getting these fat shame letters grow up with some seriously farked up eating disorders.  Then there's going to be the developmental problems caused by some well meaning mom who cuts fat out of her preschooler's diet because of one of these fat letters, because guess what your body requires fat to function and for brain development.  We've already seen some vegan families that have done this exact thing!

Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat.  The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.
 
2013-09-24 02:24:01 PM  

Aigoo: You can tell the difference between an active kid still carrying fat stores that'll be gone in puberty and a fat kid who eats shiat.

Give me a farking break.

And I was referring to calling CPS on a TWO YEAR OLD.

Because that is the height of idiocy right there. But hey, you don't mind having CPS called on you for your two year old having baby fat rolls? Fine by me. Not my problem.


yeah, i get what you're saying.  but the visible 'fat' look, normally associated with babyfat should be gone.  agreed, until puberty, children still rely on fat stores... yes.

And anyone calling CPS because of a BMI rating is insane.  Really agree with you there.
 
2013-09-24 02:24:31 PM  
BMI of 31.5 and therefore "morbidly obese"
redsarmy.typepad.com
 
2013-09-24 02:27:07 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: rikkitikkitavi: Aigoo: Because it's freakin normal and natural for a large portion of children to carry that 'baby fat' for years. My cousins, nieces and nephews did until they were about 10-12.

Have you ever been around a child? Good God, I hope you were trolling with that, because I refuse to believe anyone could be that f*cking stupid.

"Baby fat" is usually gone in active children by 3-4 years of age.  I have three kids, and all were lean and athletic by 3. Of the 17 children that live on our street all under the age of 12, there is one age 8 that is still fat.  And he will always be fat. Because his father is fat.  And they eat like shiat.  It's not "babyfat."

I should clarify... the folds/rolls of visible baby fat should be gone.  That said, the mass of a child is mostly fat, and not muscle.  But they shouldn't appear fat at all.  That's a lack of activity.


Good thing you clarified. But I'm still talking primarily about a two year old here, which is what the original post quoted referred to.

Additionally, many young children (read: pre-puberty) continue to have that cherubic, chubby-cheeked look and that slight puffed out belly (which is what I'm specifically referring to), even active children. That's not being fat or obese, that's "baby fat" that is usually outgrown in puberty. Many, many children carry it until puberty, when they use it up to fuel the rapid growth that typically occurs in puberty (I fear for your grocery bill with three, I really do. Cause I am the youngest of six. Even back in the day when $25 could fill a cart, my parents' grocery bill was well over $400 every 2 weeks). All of my siblings were like that, all of my nieces and nephews were like that, all of my cousins and their kids are like that. Some families may not be genetically like that, but many families are. As adults, the only obese member of the family is my youngest older sister. The rest of us are all thin to average.

So like I said, you can tell a kid that's flat obese or one that is just carrying that extra bit that'll get used up (if you have the sense God gave a squirrel). It's a noticeable difference that doesn't require school or CPS intervention unless it's obvious obesity (and I went to school with a girl that was clearly obese and still is as opposed to just having that little bit you grow out of).
 
2013-09-24 02:27:21 PM  
I love how he only uses the parent's name for the letters but not the real name for them. If you think that the letter is telling you that you are at then you are fat. Get over it.
 
2013-09-24 02:27:22 PM  

Girl Sailor: theorellior: . Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.

I know, that's so depressing. Check out some movies from the late 70's. People are supermodel thin by today's standards. Of course there was a certain white intoxicant that the people were into back then that wasn't helping anything. I still agree though.


Eh, I've known more than one fat person with a cocaine problem.
 
2013-09-24 02:28:03 PM  

hailin: Some parents need it. My sister was gripping the other day she got a letter about my niece being overweight. I said she could stand to lose a few pounds and my sister went on a tirade how she has asthma and can't exercise. I said she could do yoga, pilates, swimming, or any number of low impact exercising WHILE watching what she eats. My sister screamed back at me how she only lets her kids eat healthy things.

Then not four hours later she posts on Facebook how they made edible cookie-dough, monkey bread, pudding, and were having chocolate pancakes for dinner. "Just another Friday movie night!" Yup...so healthy and nutritious. Gee I just can't fathom why my niece has weight issues.

/My BIL has also been chubby his whole life, so genetics work against her.
//He also works PT a McD's which is dinner most nights when my sister is too lazy to cook
///Sister hasn't cooked dinner in two weeks that I know about.


What was she gripping, some type of cream-filled pastry?
 
2013-09-24 02:31:57 PM  

Daemonik: Personally I love the asshats who pop off with "just eat HEALTHY", as if there aren't about a billion different voices all telling you conflicting shiat about what is or isn't  healthy.

Everything that I grew up with as a kid has been declared unhealthy, then healthy again at least twice in my lifetime.  You can eat a diet that's perfectly "healthy", but completely wrong for your system and never farking know except all your life you'll blame yourself for never losing weight.  Even back in the days when food was all natural straight from the farm and every daily task involved incredible amounts of physical labor, people still managed to get fat.

Then there's going to be all the people who are shocked SHOCKED when the kids getting these fat shame letters grow up with some seriously farked up eating disorders.  Then there's going to be the developmental problems caused by some well meaning mom who cuts fat out of her preschooler's diet because of one of these fat letters, because guess what your body requires fat to function and for brain development.  We've already seen some vegan families that have done this exact thing!

Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat.  The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.


Determining what's healthy or unhealthy isn't rocket science. Anyone who buys into the hype of new fad diets is just stupid. The simplest bottom line is eat everything in moderation. Is that single piece of fried chicken going to make you fat? Probably not. Is that entire bucket of fried chicken going to make you fat? Definitely yes. It's mindbogglingly simple.

Btw your last paragraph contains the most bullshiat in your bullshiat post. If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.
 
2013-09-24 02:32:11 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Girl Sailor: theorellior: . Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.

I know, that's so depressing. Check out some movies from the late 70's. People are supermodel thin by today's standards. Of course there was a certain white intoxicant that the people were into back then that wasn't helping anything. I still agree though.

Eh, I've known more than one fat person with a cocaine problem.


But not for long I'm guessing!
 
2013-09-24 02:32:27 PM  
Watched the video and read the article. Decided that both parties have a point and both are somewhat in error.

The kid in the video with the stupid haircut is certainly not obese. BMA isn't that effective for kids under a certain age because many kids will have 'baby fat' until well into puberty. This is also why many boys tend to appear feminine, until the hormones cut in. (Which might explain a lot concerning pedophilia directed towards them.)

Obese is when a 10 year old has a beer gut. Obese is when a grade schooler is double the normal weight for his age.

As a kid, back in the 50's and 60's, it was rare to see an obese kid, but the lifestyle was much more active and snack and fast foods had not become a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Now were the majority of the parents obese, meaning no 'Mom jeans' and Dad didn't wear an oversized sports jersey and act proud of his spare tire caused by pizza and beer.

Kids did a lot more outside playing that required energy -- but now the media has them scared shiatless to walk out of their door without layers of armor. If the sun doesn't turn them into festering lumps of cancer, they'll get MERSA from the dirt, kid-snatchers line the streets, gang members toss drugs at them, the crazy homeless lurk anywhere it's dark or shady and pollution will dissolve them from the inside out.

Not to mention the huge push by video game manufacturers to make money off them by selling them games that require they sit on their arses, inside, hour after hour while characters on the screens do all the running and jumping.

Then you have the parents, the lawyers and the government all telling the schools what they can and can't do. It doesn't take long before insanity and stupidity take over.

Yeah. The kids are, on the average, overweight in comparison to those in the 60's. However, there is MUCH more obesity among adults than I can ever remember. Yet more people than ever before are diet aware but their are also far more companies than ever before stuffing fast foods with fattening compounds, like sugar and cheap carbohydrates. Mac and Cheese is good -- but the darn stuff is fattening. We also have 5 different names for sugar used in processed foods.

That gets confusing.

TV advertises candy like never before and 'healthy' fruit drinks which don't have a bit of real fruit juice in them or about a pound of sugar (called dextrose) added. Plus the cost of real fruit has more than tripled since I was a kid and healthy seafood has soared to obnoxious prices.

Even then, you get bombarded about how your fresh fruits and veggies can be covered in invisible bacteria and germs which will rot you from the inside out unless you basically run them through an autoclave first.

BTW. All schools usually have a dietician on staff. They oversee the cafeteria. They're supposed to engineer inexpensive, tasty, healthy foods for the kids but budget constraints, lack of government funding and soaring food costs usually mean they're lucky if they can find something filling that will not kill the kids outright.

It's a rare school that actually prepares fresh food right on the grounds. Political squabbling, funding cuts, simple greed and bribes usually mean many schools get the majority of their food delivered, pre-made, by a for profit company who usually knows a powerful local politician.

My school used to get a lot of free food donated by local farmers, especially citrus and we usually had one cafeteria lady who made biscuits from scratch that were magnificent. Today, there's a swarm of lawyers hovering about, just waiting for the slightest indication of contamination, possible food poisoning or 'old food' for an option to sue.

Parents are also lurking about, cringing at the idea that someone might actually prepare food to be cooked with their bare hands, ignoring the fact that oven temperatures kill any bacteria.

It's easier, cheaper and less risky to have prepared meals shipped in. At least few folks notice the cost cutting measures used by the supplying company, which might not even be in the city.

Geez!
 
2013-09-24 02:33:18 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: hailin: Some parents need it. My sister was gripping the other day she got a letter about my niece being overweight. I said she could stand to lose a few pounds and my sister went on a tirade how she has asthma and can't exercise. I said she could do yoga, pilates, swimming, or any number of low impact exercising WHILE watching what she eats. My sister screamed back at me how she only lets her kids eat healthy things.

Then not four hours later she posts on Facebook how they made edible cookie-dough, monkey bread, pudding, and were having chocolate pancakes for dinner. "Just another Friday movie night!" Yup...so healthy and nutritious. Gee I just can't fathom why my niece has weight issues.

/My BIL has also been chubby his whole life, so genetics work against her.
//He also works PT a McD's which is dinner most nights when my sister is too lazy to cook
///Sister hasn't cooked dinner in two weeks that I know about.

What was she gripping, some type of cream-filled pastry?


Judging by the conversation, I'm gonna go with kitchen knife. ;)
 
2013-09-24 02:33:33 PM  

Girl Sailor: Rapmaster2000: Girl Sailor: theorellior: . Ever watch old movies? Check out the way people fit their clothes back then. We're definitely chubbier now.

I know, that's so depressing. Check out some movies from the late 70's. People are supermodel thin by today's standards. Of course there was a certain white intoxicant that the people were into back then that wasn't helping anything. I still agree though.

Eh, I've known more than one fat person with a cocaine problem.

But not for long I'm guessing!


No, he's been going with it for at least 4 or 5 years.  The coke he gets is really terrible so maybe that's what helps.

I know about 10 people that use coke that aren't exactly thin.  Adderall seems to work better for that.
 
2013-09-24 02:35:24 PM  
Magorn. 26 is not "borderline obese". It is a little overweight.

You can fool yourself that you're not fat and that bmi means nothing but for 99% of people over 25 bmi ARE fat.

Bmi is not perfect... but its good enough for most people.

Get over it... you are fat. Stop fighting labels.

If someone is over 25bmi that should be a red flag that they need to eat less and exercise more.


... those very few who break the trend will be very obvious that its muscle.


Deal with it. You're fat. Fix the problem.
 
2013-09-24 02:35:58 PM  

Rurouni: Daemonik: Personally I love the asshats who pop off with "just eat HEALTHY", as if there aren't about a billion different voices all telling you conflicting shiat about what is or isn't  healthy.

Everything that I grew up with as a kid has been declared unhealthy, then healthy again at least twice in my lifetime.  You can eat a diet that's perfectly "healthy", but completely wrong for your system and never farking know except all your life you'll blame yourself for never losing weight.  Even back in the days when food was all natural straight from the farm and every daily task involved incredible amounts of physical labor, people still managed to get fat.

Then there's going to be all the people who are shocked SHOCKED when the kids getting these fat shame letters grow up with some seriously farked up eating disorders.  Then there's going to be the developmental problems caused by some well meaning mom who cuts fat out of her preschooler's diet because of one of these fat letters, because guess what your body requires fat to function and for brain development.  We've already seen some vegan families that have done this exact thing!

Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat.  The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.

Determining what's healthy or unhealthy isn't rocket science. Anyone who buys into the hype of new fad diets is just stupid. The simplest bottom line is eat everything in moderation. Is that single piece of fried chicken going to make you fat? Probably not. Is that entire bucket of fried chicken going to make you fat? Definitely yes. It's mindbogglingly simple.

Btw your last paragraph contains the most bullshiat in your bullshiat post. If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.


The human body evolved to gain fat quickly and lose it slowly.
 
2013-09-24 02:36:07 PM  

TechnoHead: Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".

/stop stuffing your face, asshat
//stop stuffin your kids' faces


I have had to tell people I am not too thin regarding BMI.
 
2013-09-24 02:37:17 PM  

CleanAndPure: For the vast majority of people bmi works.

Yes extreme athletes will off the chart.


Regarding weight lifters and NFL players...

Most of them are fat! Yeah they have muscles too... but are you seriously suggesting NFL players aren't covered in lots of blubber too?

Should call it armoured "American sumo wrestling with a rubber egg"... not "american football".

Yes... sumo wrestlers have to have muscles too.


NFL... fat.
Baseball... beer bellied pussies.


Now hockey players, basketball players... you'll never find them over 25 bmi.

Stop using lardarse NFL players as an excuse... unless you're Arnie 20 years ago... if you are over 25 bmi you are probably fat.
(Over 6ft and 220lbs... so don't say you are 250lbs of muscle anyone... you're not... if you are 250lbs you have excess fat)

Doesn't mean you can't be healthy... health and fat are related but not mutually exclusive.


Face it deniers... you are all fatty fat heads.


No NHL players over 25 BMI?

Zdeno Chara, 6'9", 256, BMI 27.4
Henrik Zetterberg, 5'11", 197, BMI 27.5
Nathan Gerbe, 5'5, 179, BMI 29.8
Slava Voynov, 6'0", 190, BMI 25.8.

Four off the top of my head.
 
2013-09-24 02:40:36 PM  
So it's OK that the schools
- Pick up kids on the bus
- Provide them meals at a reduced rate
- Provide counseling as needed
- Are legally required to call authorities is they suspect abuse
- Provide before school care in many cases
- Provide after school care in many cases
- Provide contraceptive awareness and in many cases devices
- Test children for a variety of issues (ADD / Speech / Learning disabilities)
- Mainstream handicapped youths

YET

They mention anything about weight and they are over reaching.  Got it
 
2013-09-24 02:44:01 PM  

firefly212: Slam1263: BMI again.

Great, can we also talk about other really cool "School of Vienna" scientific marvels.

Like phrenology and eugenics?

Spend the energy blaming the metrics or fixing the problem, fatty.


Why, when I put down this can of gravy....
 
2013-09-24 02:45:02 PM  

draypresct: you have pee hands: It's just going to confuse people when it turns out a BMI of 22 is actually fat as hell when you're three and a half feet tall.

/bmi = (height^2) / weight
//turns out humans aren't really two dimensional

You've inverted the BMI formula.

Also, your horizontal cross-section _is_ two dimensional. Think about how the square-cube law works, and you'll see why it's height squared.


Strange. So the units of BMI are pressure. The pressure exerted if all of your weight were distributed uniformly over a square with side length that is your height.
 
2013-09-24 02:47:53 PM  
Rik01:

Kids did a lot more outside playing that required energy -- but now the media has them scared shiatless to walk out of their door without layers of armor. If the sun doesn't turn them into festering lumps of cancer, they'll get MERSA from the dirt, kid-snatchers line the streets, gang members toss drugs at them, the crazy homeless lurk anywhere it's dark or shady and pollution will dissolve them from the inside out.


You're right that a lot comes down to parenting. But there's a bit of a flip side here, too. I gamed with my dad as a kid... but there were limits on how much I played per day.

Part of the problem is, this ain't the world we grew up in: you can't send the kids out to go play today. Some asshole will kidnap them, murder them, give them something you damn sure don't want them getting their hands on,,, You have to give them freedom, but you also have to be aware of where they are and what they're doing, and that takes parenting. You can't be farking lazy like our parents could be if they wanted. But when mom and dad gotta work two jobs each just to make ends meet, what the fark else they gonna do? We wanna blame society but we forget that we ARE society. Wanna fault the parents when we ARE the parents. You want all this to change? Then we have to be the ones to change it by changing ourselves. Stop doing what's easy and start doing what's necessary and right. Otherwise, we need to stop biatching.
 
2013-09-24 02:47:54 PM  

Rurouni: If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.


I think a better way to describe his point is that there's an advantage to being able to gorge yourself when dealing with food scarcity.  Slightly different from being fat, but when there's no food scarcity, not being able to turn off that gorge instinct makes you fat.

/has to quit eating while hungry or else I'll be stuffed
 
2013-09-24 02:49:13 PM  

JohnCarter: So it's OK that the schools
- Pick up kids on the bus
- Provide them meals at a reduced rate
- Provide counseling as needed
- Are legally required to call authorities is they suspect abuse
- Provide before school care in many cases
- Provide after school care in many cases
- Provide contraceptive awareness and in many cases devices
- Test children for a variety of issues (ADD / Speech / Learning disabilities)
- Mainstream handicapped youths

YET

They mention anything about weight and they are over reaching.  Got it


Exactly because being a lardarse is "beautiful" and fat people need extra protection.

We're supposed to overlook the biggest cause of health problems because it might upset someone...

And because many fat people are deluded... they're in denial... because the truth is hard to accept.


I'm a former fatty... from a former fat family. I know losing weight is hard... I know its easier to be in denial... but its wrong for you. All you fatties deserve better for yourselves.

I use the word fatty not to cause offence... but because you should not sugar coat the fact you're fat if you're fat.

Easier to deny the hard truth if you call yourselves full-figured.
 
2013-09-24 02:53:58 PM  
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2013-09-24 02:54:08 PM  

CleanAndPure: JohnCarter: So it's OK that the schools
- Pick up kids on the bus
- Provide them meals at a reduced rate
- Provide counseling as needed
- Are legally required to call authorities is they suspect abuse
- Provide before school care in many cases
- Provide after school care in many cases
- Provide contraceptive awareness and in many cases devices
- Test children for a variety of issues (ADD / Speech / Learning disabilities)
- Mainstream handicapped youths

YET

They mention anything about weight and they are over reaching.  Got it

Exactly because being a lardarse is "beautiful" and fat people need extra protection.

We're supposed to overlook the biggest cause of health problems because it might upset someone...

And because many fat people are deluded... they're in denial... because the truth is hard to accept.


I'm a former fatty... from a former fat family. I know losing weight is hard... I know its easier to be in denial... but its wrong for you. All you fatties deserve better for yourselves.

I use the word fatty not to cause offence... but because you should not sugar coat the fact you're fat if you're fat.

Easier to deny the hard truth if you call yourselves full-figured.


The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on
 
2013-09-24 02:54:10 PM  
Always amused when the doctors measure my wrists (or those of anyone in my family) and discover that we are all, in fact, big boned.  Especially when they do it to try to prove otherwise and the tips of their ears get red and they can't make eye contact.

/Still fat.
// It's just that my ideal is 20lbs heavier than most people my height.
 
2013-09-24 03:01:46 PM  
I have a shameful confession to make: I've gone gluten free.

I've never had any gluten sensitivity before or any food allergies that I know of. My girlfriend coerced me to give up wheat for a month after reading the Wheat Belly book and I went in kicking and screaming. But let me tell you, it works. I hate that it works. I tried convincing people that I had leukemia and that's why I was losing weight. I even cheated a couple times, but it works.

I still eat all the other carbs, potatoes, corn, white rice, etc. And I still drink up a storm, I just do vodka or cider instead of beer. I work out legit maybe once a week and try to be active for awhile most other days, but nothing you would consider "an athletic lifestyle." But the other day, I had to make a couple new holes in my belt with office supplies because my pants were falling off me at work. And I've only been doing this for 3 weeks.

One word of warning though, it doesn't take long for wheat to leave your system. I cheated the other day and had a wendy's burger and a couple beers and I yakked like it was prom night.
 
2013-09-24 03:02:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rurouni: Daemonik: Personally I love the asshats who pop off with "just eat HEALTHY", as if there aren't about a billion different voices all telling you conflicting shiat about what is or isn't  healthy.

Everything that I grew up with as a kid has been declared unhealthy, then healthy again at least twice in my lifetime.  You can eat a diet that's perfectly "healthy", but completely wrong for your system and never farking know except all your life you'll blame yourself for never losing weight.  Even back in the days when food was all natural straight from the farm and every daily task involved incredible amounts of physical labor, people still managed to get fat.

Then there's going to be all the people who are shocked SHOCKED when the kids getting these fat shame letters grow up with some seriously farked up eating disorders.  Then there's going to be the developmental problems caused by some well meaning mom who cuts fat out of her preschooler's diet because of one of these fat letters, because guess what your body requires fat to function and for brain development.  We've already seen some vegan families that have done this exact thing!

Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat.  The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.

Determining what's healthy or unhealthy isn't rocket science. Anyone who buys into the hype of new fad diets is just stupid. The simplest bottom line is eat everything in moderation. Is that single piece of fried chicken going to make you fat? Probably not. Is that entire bucket of fried chicken going to make you fat? Definitely yes. It's mindbogglingly simple.

Btw your last paragraph contains the most bullshiat in your bullshiat post. If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.

The human body evolved to gain fat quickl ...


You're right: eating healthy isn't rocket science. If it's processed, it isn't healthy.

It really, truly is that simple.

Even the GMO shiat is healthier than a Hot Pocket.

Even farm-raised meat you cook at home is healthier than Whataburger.

Personally, I don't eat GMO fruit or vegetables if I can avoid it and I don't eat anything other than grass-fed beef if I can help it, but even if I do, I still feel a hundred times better physically eating fresh meals cooked at home than processed foods. Processed foods literally make me feel physically unwell and fast food (McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell, KFC--any and all) make me physically ill. As in nauseated and feel like I have food poisoning any time I eat them, no matter where I get them from. I guarantee that if you stop eating fast food for a couple of years and then suddenly reintroduce it to your body, it will make you sick. Because your body isn't supposed to be eating farking sawdust!! And whatever the hell else they put in that garbage. It's not hard to figure out what's healthy and it's not hard to eat healthy--it's hard to commit to spending the time to cook for yourself rather than take the quick and easy way.

And by the way, I spend about 30 minutes preparing dinner and I make enough for lunch the next day. If you want breakfast burritos or something, take an hour on a weekend, prepare them at home with free range unbleached eggs and fresh meats and vegetables, freeze them, grab one on Monday, nuke it, and eat it on the way to work. Costs less than a trip to McDonald's every day and in a week or two, you will notice that you feel physically better.
 
2013-09-24 03:03:37 PM  

Snarfangel: FatherChaos: Ruben Navarrette

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]

This guy has written so many (terribly-written) articles trying to defend illegal immigrants.

From what, low-calorie diets?


That would be better than the drivel he actually writes.
 
2013-09-24 03:03:52 PM  

dustygrimp: Always amused when the doctors measure my wrists (or those of anyone in my family) and discover that we are all, in fact, big boned.  Especially when they do it to try to prove otherwise and the tips of their ears get red and they can't make eye contact.

/Still fat.
// It's just that my ideal is 20lbs heavier than most people my height.


I thought I was big boned most of my life (even used to show off my wrist size to smaller female coworkers) until I had my frame measured. I have a medium frame foe a woman. I just used to be fat and apparently I worked woth women who had small frames. I always carried weight well and was fairly muscular but the big bone thing was just a rationalization for being overweight.

I suggest for those of you who fancy yourself big boned, either get it measured or just stop making excuses..
 
2013-09-24 03:06:53 PM  

Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on


Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?
 
2013-09-24 03:08:37 PM  

mike_d85: BMI also fails to account for varying sizes of genetalia. While I don't mind showing up two or three pounds overweight, some of the ladies with the boobies might have some bigger problems.


Boobs aren't "genetalia" [sic].
 
2013-09-24 03:09:31 PM  

Magnanimous_J: I have a shameful confession to make: I've gone gluten free.

I've never had any gluten sensitivity before or any food allergies that I know of. My girlfriend coerced me to give up wheat for a month after reading the Wheat Belly book and I went in kicking and screaming. But let me tell you, it works. I hate that it works. I tried convincing people that I had leukemia and that's why I was losing weight. I even cheated a couple times, but it works.

I still eat all the other carbs, potatoes, corn, white rice, etc. And I still drink up a storm, I just do vodka or cider instead of beer. I work out legit maybe once a week and try to be active for awhile most other days, but nothing you would consider "an athletic lifestyle." But the other day, I had to make a couple new holes in my belt with office supplies because my pants were falling off me at work. And I've only been doing this for 3 weeks.

One word of warning though, it doesn't take long for wheat to leave your system. I cheated the other day and had a wendy's burger and a couple beers and I yakked like it was prom night.


I'm largely gluten free after talking to a cousin who is a doctor and learning that wheat (especially GMO wheat, which is practically all they use now) is terrible for the brain. I've decreased my gluten intake by 95% or more and now when I eat wheat/gluten, I feel terrible physically and notice a huge difference in brain function.

Talked to my own neurologist about this and got a confirmation that they're doing studies on the connection between gluten, caseins, and brain function as it relates to brain injured patients and seeing similar improvements in those who go gluten free and casein free or who greatly reduce their intake while simultaneously increasing protein and fat intake (which I've also done).

Not only did adopting this diet help me take off 50-60 lbs a few years ago, but it's really helped my cognitive functions since my injury. And carbs, for me, are less of an issue because the brain requires a certain level of carb intake in order to function properly. So I tend to shy away from anything that recommends cutting carbs out, but that's just my own 2 cents on that.
 
2013-09-24 03:10:02 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?

I can believe it's not a great measure of overall health, but a "distorted standard of perfection"?


Perhaps the standard as designed was done with good intentions, but it's being abused by far too many extreme people as a rigid little "window", with any deviation outside of it being hyped as if the person was gorging on five Big Macs a day dipped in a tub of mayo.
 
2013-09-24 03:11:22 PM  

Fallout Boy: TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?

America: where no kids are fat anymore. Where there are no stupid or dumb kids. Where there are no losers. Everyone is "differently-abled!"


Sorry that the pool of "people I want to look down on and sneer at" has been greatly reduced for you.
 
2013-09-24 03:12:03 PM  

Rurouni: If the human body was designed to get fat, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being fat.


That's just silly.

If the human body were designed to get old, then please explain the multitude of health issues associated with being old.

/not saying fat is good, just that your logic is bad
 
2013-09-24 03:13:13 PM  
Oh look, a cheap easy device that would give a pretty accurate body fat percentage reading:  http://www.amazon.com/Omron-Logic-Monitor-model-HBF-306C/dp/B00006WNP U
 
2013-09-24 03:14:18 PM  

Daemonik: Here's a truth people don't mention too often, the human body is designed to get fat. The human body WANTS to be fat, because it's a farking survival mechanism we've relied on for the last million years or so to get through famines.


Your ancestors never ran into mine. My ancestors relied on being fit, not fat, to get through famines. Just bust some fatty in the head with a rock, drag him back to your cave, and you were good for a week.
 
2013-09-24 03:16:14 PM  

Itstoearly: Oh look, a cheap easy device that would give a pretty accurate body fat percentage reading:  http://www.amazon.com/Omron-Logic-Monitor-model-HBF-306C/dp/B00006WNP U


Here is one for technophobes that does an accurate enough job:

www.momlogic.com
 
2013-09-24 03:16:19 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on

Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?


I'm in between "you can't even tell" (which btw no one says to people who aren't fat) and "your fat jiggles when you run".
 
2013-09-24 03:18:05 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: My ancestors relied on being fit, not fat, to get through famines.


And being able to gorge on the little food they got.
 
2013-09-24 03:20:05 PM  

Aigoo: You're right: eating healthy isn't rocket science. If it's processed, it isn't healthy.

It really, truly is that simple.

Even the GMO shiat is healthier than a Hot Pocket.

Even farm-raised meat you cook at home is healthier than Whataburger.

Personally, I don't eat GMO fruit or vegetables if I can avoid it and I don't eat anything other than grass-fed beef if I can help it, but even if I do, I still feel a hundred times better physically eating fresh meals cooked at home than processed foods. Processed foods literally make me feel physically unwell and fast food (McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell, KFC--any and all) make me physically ill. As in nauseated and feel like I have food poisoning any time I eat them, no matter where I get them from. I guarantee that if you stop eating fast food for a couple of years and then suddenly reintroduce it to your body, it will make you sick. Because your body isn't supposed to be eating farking sawdust!! And whatever the hell else they put in that garbage. It's not hard to figure out what's healthy and it's not hard to eat healthy--it's hard to commit to spending the time to cook for yourself rather than take the quick and easy way.

And by the way, I spend about 30 minutes preparing dinner and I make enough for lunch the next day. If you want breakfast burritos or something, take an hour on a weekend, prepare them at home with free range unbleached eggs and fresh meats and vegetables, freeze them, grab one on Monday, nuke it, and eat it on the way to work. Costs less than a trip to McDonald's every day and in a week or two, you will notice that you feel physically better.


csb:

I'm a bit of an exotic meat fanatic (exotic because of region). My favorite red meat right now is Kangaroo. Very lean, very delicious. Elk, Antelope, and Caribou are also meats I'll order on occasion. My brother also raises rabbits and chickens (for eggs) so I'll get some of that as well. Chicken from the farmers market and wild caught Alaskan/Scottish salmon are my more staple meats. I grow my own avocados, carrots, broccoli and spinach in a hydroponic garden in my backyard. I also have multiple  Moringa Oleifera trees around the house.

Unfortunately, most people can not afford these (besides the chicken* maybe). For some income levels, the sodium preserved processed stuff is all they can afford. This is one of the many reasons our poor in this country also tend to be fat; only able to afford processed food and carb-heavy food, mixed with sedentary lifestyle possibly due to working so many hours. Maybe people don't have the time to work and farm.

*Chicken costs $1.80 / lb at the local farmer's market. In our supermarkets (like Publix) it goes for more than twice that amount.
 
2013-09-24 03:26:22 PM  

Girl Sailor: rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on

Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?

I'm in between "you can't even tell" (which btw no one says to people who aren't fat) and "your fat jiggles when you run".


tasty.  you're a beast in the sack, aren't you?
 
2013-09-24 03:27:02 PM  
Sure, physical health is important and stuff, but what are the school's doing about my child's spiritual health?  They might be concerned about my child's body but what about their eternal soul??
 
2013-09-24 03:40:26 PM  

trappedspirit: Sure, physical health is important and stuff, but what are the school's doing about my child's spiritual health?  They might be concerned about my child's body but what about their eternal soul??


They have special schools for that.
 
2013-09-24 03:41:14 PM  

draypresct: Arthen: Worrying whether or not kids are attractive is not something I want teachers doing. BMI is based on aesthetics, not health.

Nope. BMI independently predicts the risk of mortality in the general population. Unless you believe that's because of aesthetics instead of health...


Nope, being overweight correlates to a lower mortality than normal weight. You have to go to morbidly obese to have a higher mortality than either.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreykabat/2013/01/06/how-useful-is-bo d y-mass-index-in-predicting-long-term-health/
 
2013-09-24 03:41:26 PM  
I read that as our kids' self-image ought to bee more important than their actual health.
 
2013-09-24 03:41:28 PM  

vudukungfu: Here's an idea, fatty McFatterson.
Don't eat more calories than you can burn off and turn into muscle.
Also, STFU and lose some weight.
And making your kid fat is child abuse.
Also, there are starving children in your very city.
Thus the STFU again.


This is sublimely beautiful.  Thanks, Vudu.  Been laughing my ass off since I read this.  And yes, it is rather a fat ass.
 
2013-09-24 03:58:31 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: rikkitikkitavi: Girl Sailor: The great thing about being able to call myself fat is that gives me to call other people fat. Which leads to unrestrained use of some of my favorite putdowns:

- Fatty fatty fat fat
- Tub o' lard
- fat ass motherfarker

and so on

Just how fat are you?  Curious, like two and a half bills?  Three hunge?

I'm in between "you can't even tell" (which btw no one says to people who aren't fat) and "your fat jiggles when you run".

tasty.  you're a beast in the sack, aren't you?


Only on Friday nights after 11:30pm. Other than that I make vanilla pudding look wild and free.
 
2013-09-24 04:01:33 PM  
I was a rail all the way thru school and college - a 16" pizza, no problem.  Hit the mid 30's though, and the swivel chair got me good and I gained more than 100 lbs.

I went with "South Beach Diet", which is basically a diabetic diet - you give up all white stuff - white flour, corn, white rice, and anything with sugar in it - even fruit in phase I, after you detox you add a few things back into the diet - it's a low glycemic index diet, heavy on veggies and lean proteins, fat is OK.

I lost 100 lbs in a year, and have kept it off for the last two years.  I've of course done a lot since then, in terms of increasing physical activity, but when I went on the diet, all I did was change my diet, after I lost 50, I started skiing again, and lost the rest of it.

Today?  I'm about 5-10 up from my low, but probably that's muscle as I work with a personal trainer 2x a week to get me into skiing condition.

I also gave up alcohol and all soda with sugar.

/feel great
//thanks.
 
2013-09-24 04:10:38 PM  
Sometimes I envy fat people. To be able to eat cookies and ice cream and pies without a care in the world. I only eat fruit, veggies, whole grain breads, lean protein, chocolate milk (for after working out), water, and juice. I'm in great shape but dammit if cookies don't sound good.
 
2013-09-24 04:14:56 PM  

alizeran: [img11.imageshack.us image 615x466]


I am so very tempted to post that picture on a friend's Facebook.  She's one of those people who describes herself as a "militant fat activist" and frequently goes on rants about how she'll unfriend and block you if you post something that even hints to her of "fat shaming."  Which includes posting medical articles that say being hugely fat is bad for you.
 
2013-09-24 04:25:58 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: I read that as our kids' self-image ought to bee more important than their actual health.


In that case, the school need not do anything. The other kids will get the point across just fine.
 
2013-09-24 04:34:24 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?


If you think the bolded portion is what is required to maintain a non-obese BMI, I bet you can't see your genitals if you look down.
 
2013-09-24 04:46:51 PM  
The point of BMI isn't that its a perfect measure of health.  The point is that there is a strong negative correlation between BMI and life expentancy but its inputs can be measured at home, so you can easily and accurately track it without seeing a specialist every week.  It's a 'good enough' metric for 95% of people out there.  If you really get into fitness after that, then you should be investing in a professional body fat % calculation every 3-4 months.
 And yes, my BMI is above 25.
 
2013-09-24 04:56:11 PM  

LavenderWolf: TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?

If you think the bolded portion is what is required to maintain a non-obese BMI, I bet you can't see your genitals if you look down.


This. I love how fat people act like taking a basic amount of responsibility for your weight = "OMG SOCIETY REQUIRES MEN TO BE GREEK GODS AND WOMEN TO BE DANGEROUS BARBIES!!!1"

Put it this way. As a male standing six foot, my ideal weight is anywhere from 140 to 184 pounds (I mean, a 44 pound spread? Such a tiny, unrealistic window to fall into, amirite?!) I assure you that when I shed six pounds from my current weight, I will not look like a shredded greek god. I'll look like a normal human being with a somewhat flatter tummy.

You. Are. Fat. Accept it. Change it. Your life doesn't have to be this way.
 
2013-09-24 05:04:59 PM  

raptormh: LavenderWolf: TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?

If you think the bolded portion is what is required to maintain a non-obese BMI, I bet you can't see your genitals if you look down.

This. I love how fat people act like taking a basic amount of responsibility for your weight = "OMG SOCIETY REQUIRES MEN TO BE GREEK GODS AND WOMEN TO BE DANGEROUS BARBIES!!!1"

Put it this way. As a male standing six foot, my ideal weight is anywhere from 140 to 184 pounds (I mean, a 44 pound spread? Such a tiny, unrealistic window to fall into, amirite?!) I assure you that when I shed six pounds from my current weight, I will not look like a shredded greek god. I'll look like a normal human being with a somewhat flatter tummy.

You. Are. Fat. Accept it. Change it. Your life doesn't have to be this way.


Not to mention how blindingly obvious it is to someone whose BMI doesn't tell the whole story; if you've got more muscle than bone + fat + organs, you know already that your BMI is meaningless. For the rest of us, it works just fine.

I'm 5'10" and 160ish pounds, and it takes zero effort to maintain because I reduced my caloric intake from when I was 260lbs (of muscle, in my reservist training). I got used to 10,000+ calories per day. Then when I didn't need that many... I got used to fewer. It's not even hard; your body does NOT want to overeat.
 
2013-09-24 05:15:00 PM  
My husband is one of those who is considered obese through BMI. He is very large boned (for realsies) and really buff. He is in the army so they just do the tape test instead, which he passes every time. He is 6'3 and weighs 230. So BMI isnt always perfectly acurate. A friend of mine was recently told (by the Dr.) that her daughter was too fat, but no one sees how the heck they could have said that about this little girl. Conversely, I have a friend with a 2 year old whose child is seriously effing obese and I dont know why the heck they ALWAYS make him ride in a stroller and give him anything but water and veggies. It is really horrible to the point she even finally has realized they have got to make a change (yes both parents are fat although one was slim till his thyroid was removed due to tumors). The people I nannied for were extremely active and they couldn't figure out why they were all obese even though they ate donughts/pizza/cupcakes/mcdonalds Every single day. All the biking in the world cant combat a diet as bad as that. A girl I know from spin class is a size 2and works out religiosly. And she has a 3 year old she gives crap to eat and is probably double the weight she should be.

Anyway, I guess my .02$ would come down to the fact that even if the occasional kid gets a letter home who isnt really thaaaaat fat, its better than letting delusional parents sink their kids further into the obesity epidemic. At least they have been told to cut it out (even though they assuredly won't).

/CSS
 
2013-09-24 05:20:28 PM  

LavenderWolf: raptormh: LavenderWolf: TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?

If you think the bolded portion is what is required to maintain a non-obese BMI, I bet you can't see your genitals if you look down.

This. I love how fat people act like taking a basic amount of responsibility for your weight = "OMG SOCIETY REQUIRES MEN TO BE GREEK GODS AND WOMEN TO BE DANGEROUS BARBIES!!!1"

Put it this way. As a male standing six foot, my ideal weight is anywhere from 140 to 184 pounds (I mean, a 44 pound spread? Such a tiny, unrealistic window to fall into, amirite?!) I assure you that when I shed six pounds from my current weight, I will not look like a shredded greek god. I'll look like a normal human being with a somewhat flatter tummy.

You. Are. Fat. Accept it. Change it. Your life doesn't have to be this way.

Not to mention how blindingly obvious it is to someone whose BMI doesn't tell the whole story; if you've got more muscle than bone + fat + organs, you know already that your BMI is meaningless. For the rest of us, it works just fine.



It would be hilarious if obesity didn't kill people.

3.bp.blogspot.com

"This guy has dedicated his entire life to converting his body into pure muscle! BMI is no longer an accurate measurement for him!"

www.healthyhippie.net

"... Therefore I am in exactly as good a shape as a world class athlete! STOP FATSHAMING ME shiatLORD!!"
 
2013-09-24 05:37:56 PM  
Your kid also has a stupid haircut.
 
2013-09-24 06:28:50 PM  
every Farker knows fails to account for their 6'8 frames of solid muscle

Bwahahaha. I love these threads.

/I've lost about 15 pounds in the last couple of years
//Nope, I'm middle-aged, not dieting, and I actually need to put some weight back on.
///Take that
////go for FOUR slashies
 
2013-09-24 07:16:25 PM  
image.blingee.com
 
2013-09-24 08:05:23 PM  
Not that anyone cares, but I have dropped a fair amount of weight over the past 4 years. I went halfway toward my goal just by walking a couple of miles every weekday and 3-4 miles per day on weekends, and not dieting at all. For those keeping track at home, that reduced my waist size by 6 inches.

Sadly, once I dropped that, I was stuck there for two years. Now that I've actually started keeping track of what I eat via "MyFitnessPal" (and really, any halfway decent calorie-counter would work), I've dropped about a pound a week for half a year. Another half year, and I should be at my ideal weight (and I mean ideal-ideal, not lumpy-ideal -- smack dab in the center of the ideal weight zone), just in time for my annual physical.

And it's the freaking hardest thing I've done. Exercise is EASY for me compared to cutting back on eating. I can walk at a brisk pace up and down hills for three hours, but not having fresh bread or delicious pie or whatever makes me the exact opposite of jolly.

So I may make fun here on Fark about non-Farkers I don't know, but it's not because I think it's easy to get back down to a good weight, it's because the lack of food makes me a grouch. Well, okay, not so much that, but it still is freaking difficult to lose weight by dieting. I have a lot of sympathy for people who have an even harder time of it than I do, though.

/I'm lucky that I have a close friend who is working with me to get into shape. That motivates me a lot.
 
2013-09-24 08:08:52 PM  

Magorn: BMI of 31.5 and therefore "morbidly obese"


You're telling us you're built like that? Because it sounds like you're saying you're really a prize fighter and not a fatty fat fat posting on the Internet.
 
2013-09-24 08:10:46 PM  

Snarfangel: Not that anyone cares, but I have dropped a fair amount of weight over the past 4 years. I went halfway toward my goal just by walking a couple of miles every weekday and 3-4 miles per day on weekends, and not dieting at all. For those keeping track at home, that reduced my waist size by 6 inches.

Sadly, once I dropped that, I was stuck there for two years. Now that I've actually started keeping track of what I eat via "MyFitnessPal" (and really, any halfway decent calorie-counter would work), I've dropped about a pound a week for half a year. Another half year, and I should be at my ideal weight (and I mean ideal-ideal, not lumpy-ideal -- smack dab in the center of the ideal weight zone), just in time for my annual physical.

And it's the freaking hardest thing I've done. Exercise is EASY for me compared to cutting back on eating. I can walk at a brisk pace up and down hills for three hours, but not having fresh bread or delicious pie or whatever makes me the exact opposite of jolly.

So I may make fun here on Fark about non-Farkers I don't know, but it's not because I think it's easy to get back down to a good weight, it's because the lack of food makes me a grouch. Well, okay, not so much that, but it still is freaking difficult to lose weight by dieting. I have a lot of sympathy for people who have an even harder time of it than I do, though.

/I'm lucky that I have a close friend who is working with me to get into shape. That motivates me a lot.


I used to be this way... But after a couple years of barely ever eating anything sweet other than the fruits, now when I eat a piece of cake or ice cream I feel like complete crap for the rest of the evening. So something that gave me nothing but bliss for years now brings me misery since I've been without. I'm sure I could get used to it again, but why?
 
2013-09-24 08:12:05 PM  
I'm sure it's been mentioned, but BMI is bullshiat. I'm "obese" compared to the charts, but not when you measure my body fat.

Stupid chart is stupid.
 
2013-09-24 08:26:05 PM  
You're not allowed to be fat. We say so.

/ nor Republican
 
2013-09-24 11:18:17 PM  
Wow, Boobies uses the term Strawman.  I quit reading.  What very proud junior high school debate team member was next to post about the Dunning-Kruger effect?
 
2013-09-25 01:04:37 AM  
I'm amused by the people trying to claim that BMI is only inaccurate for extreme athletes. There's a massive subset of people it has absolutely no worth for who are as far from an athlete as possible. For me personally, when my BMI was in the "normal" to slightly overweight range, I was dangerously underweight by my doctor's measures. I'm not and never have been a serious athlete in any way, but was a borderline fatty by BMI's measure and clearly needed to eat a sandwich if you actually looked at me. These days I've put on a lot of weight, and really should lose 20-30 lbs, but if you looked at my BMI you'd be questioning how I manage to make it from my car to my desk without a motorized scooter. Yet somehow, people still feel comfortable telling me how much they think weight [random fat person] should lose.

BMI is an absolutely worthless measure. As at least one other person mentioned, it's an estimate from so many generations ago which has never been updated with any of the scientific or medical advancements we've made since the abolition of slavery. I guess there is still at least one use for it. The second you see someone reference it in any meaningful way to make a point or argument, you know it's safe to completely ignore any and everything that person has to say.
 
2013-09-25 01:09:26 AM  

CleanAndPure: Magorn. 26 is not "borderline obese". It is a little overweight.

You can fool yourself that you're not fat and that bmi means nothing but for 99% of people over 25 bmi ARE fat.

Bmi is not perfect... but its good enough for most people.

Get over it... you are fat. Stop fighting labels.

If someone is over 25bmi that should be a red flag that they need to eat less and exercise more.


... those very few who break the trend will be very obvious that its muscle.


Deal with it. You're fat. Fix the problem.


Funny. I run 4.8 miles every day. I have a BMI of 25.4. I'm pretty sure I am not fat. My body fat percentage is 19%.
 
2013-09-25 01:43:19 AM  

vice_magnet: CleanAndPure: Magorn. 26 is not "borderline obese". It is a little overweight.

You can fool yourself that you're not fat and that bmi means nothing but for 99% of people over 25 bmi ARE fat.

Bmi is not perfect... but its good enough for most people.

Get over it... you are fat. Stop fighting labels.

If someone is over 25bmi that should be a red flag that they need to eat less and exercise more.


... those very few who break the trend will be very obvious that its muscle.


Deal with it. You're fat. Fix the problem.

Funny. I run 4.8 miles every day. I have a BMI of 25.4. I'm pretty sure I am not fat. My body fat percentage is 19%.


As a male? My knees hurt just thinking about that. Are you short? Heck, that distance every day would make my knees hurt even if you were female.

Also, long distance anything needs more body fat that short burst anything. In your case, comparing distance runners to sprinters.
 
2013-09-25 02:25:49 AM  
Do you even lift?
i42.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-25 05:29:42 AM  
Aigoo

You're right that a lot comes down to parenting. But there's a bit of a flip side here, too. I gamed with my dad as a kid... but there were limits on how much I played per day.

Part of the problem is, this ain't the world we grew up in: you can't send the kids out to go play today. Some asshole will kidnap them, murder them, give them something you damn sure don't want them getting their hands on,,, You have to give them freedom, but you also have to be aware of where they are and what they're doing, and that takes parenting. You can't be farking lazy like our parents could be if they wanted. But when mom and dad gotta work two jobs each just to make ends meet, what the fark else they gonna do? We wanna blame society but we forget that we ARE society. Wanna fault the parents when we ARE the parents. You want all this to change? Then we have to be the ones to change it by changing ourselves. Stop doing what's easy and start doing what's necessary and right. Otherwise, we need to stop biatching.


Agreed 100%. Been there. Done that. Now just preachin' to the masses, who seem to ignore everything.

BTW. I doubt the amount of pedophilia increasing so dramatically over the last 40 years, but there's no records to compare it to. I don't doubt certain types of violence increasing among kids because I saw it beginning. In the 70's, fights went from one on one and with fists, to a group stomp, including kicking the kid when down and by the 90's, stomping on the head became vogue and/or including weapons.

The initiators of this charming practice were a minority, where it had become common on ghetto streets.

I also have warned people of over crowding and the social, ecological and psychiatric problems which come with such a practice and watched my own city double in size as the political leaders, all businessmen, strove to bring in more cash. Past a certain density and people start turning on each other. When people can't find safe areas to get some privacy and peace, crime and insanity rates rise.

It's kind of like yelling into the wind. Everyone complains but no one will actively work to stop the source of the problems.
 
2013-09-25 06:48:22 AM  
People get upset about being told themselves, their kids and in some cases pets are fat because ignoring the problem is easier than making the effort to make the problem go away and stay away.  I was fat (up to 250 pounds), knew it, admitted it, did not get all uppity when people made references to my weight, I made the effort to make it go away and stay away (high 150's).
 
2013-09-25 09:54:15 AM  

Arthen: draypresct: Arthen: Worrying whether or not kids are attractive is not something I want teachers doing. BMI is based on aesthetics, not health.

Nope. BMI independently predicts the risk of mortality in the general population. Unless you believe that's because of aesthetics instead of health...

Nope, being overweight correlates to a lower mortality than normal weight. You have to go to morbidly obese to have a higher mortality than either.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreykabat/2013/01/06/how-useful-is-bo d y-mass-index-in-predicting-long-term-health/


The fact that the authors did not find an increase between two adjacent categories does not change the fact that BMI predicts mortality in the general population*. It's vaguely U-shaped, with higher risk among the cachectic and the obese. This finding has been replicated in many, many studies. There are arguments about the precise shape of the curve, but no reasonable person denies it's there.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2288/11/175/figure/F1

The authors in your link also used meta-analysis, which tends to be noisy, but that's a separate rant**.

Here's an analogy: Age predicts mortality. You find a study where 27 year-olds live longer than 23 year-olds, however older people (and the very young infants) had significantly increased mortality. Would you, using this, argue that age does not predict mortality?


/*There are some populations of very sick people where the relationship goes the other way. This is also well documented. You would know if you're in one of these populations.

**Meta-analysis in medical research is a way to publish papers when you don't have the funding to gather the data that actually address your research question. You take results based on data gathered in different ways from different sources, average them, weight according to sample size and according to how you feel that day about the way the individual studies were conducted, and get a result.
 
2013-09-25 10:06:17 AM  
kiwichan: "BMI is an absolutely worthless measure" (because of personal anecdote).

Read some studies on BMI v. mortality. Look at the graphs of the data for yourself. I provided a link to a few in my prior post, but feel free to dig some up of your own.

Yes, there are outliers. That doesn't make BMI worthless. If you can find a perfect indicator of health, please share with the rest of the class.

Until we have that perfect measure, using BMI as a screener is valuable. It's cheap, safe, objective, and predictive.

/Age, blood pressure, cholesterol, albumin, creatinine, ejection fraction . . . pretty much every measure I can think of has outliers.
 
2013-09-25 10:55:14 AM  
Dieted and exercised off and on for over a year.  I lost maybe 3 pounds.  Truns out I have PCOS, which causes crazy hormonal imbalances.  My doctor-lady put me on Metformin (a diabeetus drug) to deal with PCOS-related infertility and I've lost 15 pounds without diet or exercise in eight weeks.  I am not diabetic and wasn't hugely obese either (female, 30, five-five, 157 pounds to begin with, now around 142).

I'm hoping the doctor will keep giving me the meds.  They work better than diet and exercise for me!
 
2013-09-25 12:00:49 PM  

OSUJillyBean: Dieted and exercised off and on for over a year.  I lost maybe 3 pounds.  Truns out I have PCOS, which causes crazy hormonal imbalances.  My doctor-lady put me on Metformin (a diabeetus drug) to deal with PCOS-related infertility and I've lost 15 pounds without diet or exercise in eight weeks.  I am not diabetic and wasn't hugely obese either (female, 30, five-five, 157 pounds to begin with, now around 142).

I'm hoping the doctor will keep giving me the meds.  They work better than diet and exercise for me!


a lo-carb regimine will work like gangbusters for you AND treat you PCOD.  Just be sure not to use whey or soy protien to supplement your protien intake as it can be counter productive.   PCOD is a biatch and it alone gives lie to the whole "you are fat because you eat too much" line of BS

Personally HATED metformin for treating my beetus  made me sick as a dog, but then the DR put me on a max dose of 2000 mfg with no ramping up with is apparently a big no-no
 
2013-09-25 12:09:12 PM  
The reality is that a lot of kids are fat.  This letter says that they used BMI calculations as a flag for them to alert parents who may be in denial, that maybe they want to have snowflake checked out by a pro, like the family doctor.

There are not many single health related indicators, a lot of them are simply flags that call for something to be checked out.  If you are dizzy, you might have taken a blow to the head, have an inner ear problem or brain cancer or an anurysm...it's one symptom not the diagnosis.

Cause most school kids are not olympic grade athletes, physically, so I discount that end of the bell-curve.
 
2013-09-25 01:07:50 PM  

Magorn: OSUJillyBean: Dieted and exercised off and on for over a year.  I lost maybe 3 pounds.  Truns out I have PCOS, which causes crazy hormonal imbalances.  My doctor-lady put me on Metformin (a diabeetus drug) to deal with PCOS-related infertility and I've lost 15 pounds without diet or exercise in eight weeks.  I am not diabetic and wasn't hugely obese either (female, 30, five-five, 157 pounds to begin with, now around 142).

I'm hoping the doctor will keep giving me the meds.  They work better than diet and exercise for me!

a lo-carb regimine will work like gangbusters for you AND treat you PCOD.  Just be sure not to use whey or soy protien to supplement your protien intake as it can be counter productive.   PCOD is a biatch and it alone gives lie to the whole "you are fat because you eat too much" line of BS

Personally HATED metformin for treating my beetus  made me sick as a dog, but then the DR put me on a max dose of 2000 mfg with no ramping up with is apparently a big no-no


Yeah - you have to start small with metformin.  I've missed two days of work in these eight weeks from being too sick GI-speaking to go in.  I've never tried low-carb but it's worth a shot.  I don't suppose you have any books you'd recommend on the subject??
 
2013-09-25 03:13:03 PM  

OSUJillyBean: Magorn: OSUJillyBean: Dieted and exercised off and on for over a year.  I lost maybe 3 pounds.  Truns out I have PCOS, which causes crazy hormonal imbalances.  My doctor-lady put me on Metformin (a diabeetus drug) to deal with PCOS-related infertility and I've lost 15 pounds without diet or exercise in eight weeks.  I am not diabetic and wasn't hugely obese either (female, 30, five-five, 157 pounds to begin with, now around 142).

I'm hoping the doctor will keep giving me the meds.  They work better than diet and exercise for me!

a lo-carb regimine will work like gangbusters for you AND treat you PCOD.  Just be sure not to use whey or soy protien to supplement your protien intake as it can be counter productive.   PCOD is a biatch and it alone gives lie to the whole "you are fat because you eat too much" line of BS

Personally HATED metformin for treating my beetus  made me sick as a dog, but then the DR put me on a max dose of 2000 mfg with no ramping up with is apparently a big no-no

Yeah - you have to start small with metformin.  I've missed two days of work in these eight weeks from being too sick GI-speaking to go in.  I've never tried low-carb but it's worth a shot.  I don't suppose you have any books you'd recommend on the subject??


Best overall Low carb book I've ever read particularly if you have a scientific minds and like to know WHY this stuff works rather than just how to do it, is the book Protien Power By Drs. Eades and Eades.  Thier plan (40-carbs a day) was the one I followed to lose 100lbs 10 years ago  (in ~3months BTW- but recall I started at 370) and another 50 recently (in 4 months) after getting diagnosed with type II (the intervening decade involved me being stupid with food and eating like I used to.  No weight came back, but the typeII-which was in the wings before I lost the first chunk, manifested itself because of it).  He's also written on the PCOD low carb connection on his blog which is online too
 
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