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(CNN)   Chunky writer pens angry column over school sending "your kid's fat" letters home to parents. Fark: Because the school is using BMI as its measure, which as every Farker knows fails to account for their 6'8 frames of solid muscle   (cnn.com) divider line 179
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2013-09-24 11:06:12 AM
His whole argument is a strawman, not all States are using BMI and BMI is a pretty good measure for most people, especially small children who are usually not hardcore athletes.

/If your two-year-old has an "obese" BMI then they're fat and you should probably be getting a visit from social services instead of a letter from the school.
 
2013-09-24 11:08:20 AM
Schools can't afford foreign language courses, sports programs or music classes. But they found funds for dieticians?

Yes, they did. Sorry your kid isn't "big boned".
 
2013-09-24 11:10:14 AM
i2.cdn.turner.com
So goddamn fat that even his head wouldn't fit into frame!
Geesh!
 
2013-09-24 11:29:09 AM
So, your principal says you're fat. Well, I ain't down with that.
 
2013-09-24 12:43:42 PM
i2.cdn.turner.com

He DOES look a little chunky.

And so concerned.
 
2013-09-24 12:47:52 PM
I get that BMI isn't a great measure for obesity, but "something that really isn't a school's business: their children's weight" is flat out wrong.  Personal healthcare is just as important to teach as academics.
 
2013-09-24 12:49:30 PM
Yea, like I'm going to take health advice from a man named after a corned beef sandwich
 
2013-09-24 01:02:31 PM
Here's an idea, fatty McFatterson.
Don't eat more calories than you can burn off and turn into muscle.
Also, STFU and lose some weight.
And making your kid fat is child abuse.
Also, there are starving children in your very city.
Thus the STFU again.
 
2013-09-24 01:08:29 PM
"He's not fat, he's just big boned!"

/hated hearing that as a kid
 
2013-09-24 01:14:14 PM
Ruben Navarrette

farm4.staticflickr.com

This guy has written so many (terribly-written) articles trying to defend illegal immigrants.
 
2013-09-24 01:14:53 PM
Schools can't afford foreign language courses, sports programs or music classes. But they found funds for dieticians?

They've even started wasting our tax dollars on head lice inspections.  Last I checked, head lice inspections aren't in the Constitution.
 
2013-09-24 01:15:42 PM

timujin: I get that BMI isn't a great measure for obesity, but "something that really isn't a school's business: their children's weight" is flat out wrong.  Personal healthcare is just as important to teach as academics.


Yeah I went to a poor district and there was a hygiene class, because some people really just had no clue.

Plus the cynic in me says this might be a CYA thing for schools. I can envision a lawsuit claiming a kid is fat due to conditions at a school.
 
2013-09-24 01:18:29 PM
The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?
 
2013-09-24 01:18:36 PM

FatherChaos: Ruben Navarrette

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]

This guy has written so many (terribly-written) articles trying to defend illegal immigrants.


From what, low-calorie diets?
 
2013-09-24 01:18:53 PM
Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.


www.builtlean.com

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.
 
2013-09-24 01:19:42 PM
I'm obese. I admit it. Wish I wasn't but I also prefer beer and wine and reefer and pizza and fine French cooking over whatever other options might be out there.

Anyhow, my son is 9 and rail thin. All his friends are pushing obesity already. You can see the little kids plumping up like Ballpark hot dogs day after day. While I don't love that schools have to be involved, anyone with kids knows that schools play a role in helping shape their children. This means they sometimes have to point out things that affect a child's health that the parents may not want to hear.

Bottom line - when the weather gets cold here, parents are reminded to dress kids appropriately so they don't freeze their plump little butts off during recess. Though you would think it's intensely obvious to any halfway sentient person that a kid needs to wear a coat when it's 25 degrees out, not all parents get it. I don't see how this is any different.
 
2013-09-24 01:19:48 PM
Hey, football teams need lineman.
 
2013-09-24 01:20:10 PM
Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.
 
2013-09-24 01:21:21 PM
Nice work, subby! Pet peeve of mine.

Along with: "I'm such a tubby fark coz I've got a thyroid problem!!"
// a few weeks ago I think that attention wh0re Oprah Winfrey was banging on about "my thyroid made me tubby!!"
 
2013-09-24 01:22:27 PM
So you have a kid who's an elite athlete, and you get a letter from the school concerning the kid's BMI.
How devastating.
At least you have Ruben Navarrette, mouth breathing fat ass dip shiat from CNN, on your side.
 
2013-09-24 01:22:51 PM

the_end_is_rear: Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.


Hmm, sounds like they would be soft to land on.
 
2013-09-24 01:23:03 PM
Bmi for the average adult is a great tool, but it's really touchy with children, as the ideal changes constantly with age. Kids born premature may be small for their age until after puberty. You also have kids who chub up a little right before a growth spurt and then become beanpoles. That being said, the school has every obligation to let you know your kid is too fat. Bmi is just kinder than "Timmy has love handles and waddles during dodgeball."
 
2013-09-24 01:23:13 PM

the_end_is_rear: Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.



Butbutbut that's so anti-body acceptance.
 
2013-09-24 01:23:28 PM
Well they have a point, Most of the NFL is "grossly obese" according to the BMI, and frankly the BMI was invented by a group of UN scientists who were pushing a "sustainability" agenda which posits that smaller humans use less resources.   But, by all means since it has numbers and everything let's just assume the BMI is science gospel and agree to its labels

/Sound fat
/Probably am, but 150 lbs less so than I used to be, and not at all according to the BMI
 
2013-09-24 01:24:42 PM
It's just going to confuse people when it turns out a BMI of 22 is actually fat as hell when you're three and a half feet tall.

/bmi = (height^2) / weight
//turns out humans aren't really two dimensional
 
2013-09-24 01:25:01 PM

Girl Sailor: Bottom line - when the weather gets cold here, parents are reminded to dress kids appropriately so they don't freeze their plump little butts off during recess. Though you would think it's intensely obvious to any halfway sentient person that a kid needs to wear a coat when it's 25 degrees out, not all parents get it. I don't see how this is any different.


I see two birds with one stone.  "Hey kid, if you don't want to be cold then RUN during recess instead of sitting on the bench playing Angry Birds!"
 
2013-09-24 01:27:53 PM
The only measure should be:  Can the student fit into a normal sized seat?  Or, is their diameter larger than their length?
 
2013-09-24 01:28:12 PM
BMI also fails to account for varying sizes of genetalia. While I don't mind showing up two or three pounds overweight, some of the ladies with the boobies might have some bigger problems.
 
2013-09-24 01:28:29 PM

tallguywithglasseson: At least you have Ruben Navarrette, mouth breathing fat ass dip shiat from CNN, on your side.


I laughed
 
2013-09-24 01:28:50 PM

InfrasonicTom: the_end_is_rear: Earlier in the summer, the high rise I work in had a power failure. Back up generators did not kick on so they building was emptied.
We all had to head down the stairs to exit. No big rush.
However, on the way down we came upon the cows. Sorry if that sounds cruel, but they were.
These people were in the late 20's,30's, 40's and were out of breath walking down the stairs. None elderly and none handicapped. Just Fat.
Basically we were all trapped behind them. But given that it was a non emergency situation, it was just something to deal with on the way down.
But it makes me wonder if this had been a 9-11 situation and we were trying to get out of the building how things would have been?
Should we all have perished because this people have decided to live like they do?
Ones lifestyle choices can effect everyone.


Butbutbut that's so anti-body acceptance.


I have friends here that are big. They are never going to be skinny.
With that being said. In my mind, they are still fitter that a lot of people.
And they are out doing what they can.
Any they were not the ones blocking the stairwell.
 
2013-09-24 01:29:15 PM
The parents of elementary school students in 19 states -- including Arkansas, Illinois, California and Massachusetts -- are receiving letters regarding something that really isn't a school's business: their children's weight.

Stopped reading right there.  Yes, physical education is the school's business.
 
2013-09-24 01:29:46 PM

TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?


I can believe it's not a great measure of overall health, but a "distorted standard of perfection"?

A few years back I had a BMI of 30.5, which is borderline obese.  I was fat.

I'm now at a BMI of 23.6.  This is technically normal (18.5-25)  I'm *still* a bit overweight- my body fat % according to my scale is about 18.5 which is right in the correct range for my age (47), but I could easily lose another 5 pounds.  BMI certainly doesn't force you to be a skeleton
 
2013-09-24 01:31:38 PM
So, he didn't complain about the eye exams, the scoliosis checks, the hearing checks...but as soon as somebody points out that yes, his chubbo is obese from daily McDonald's and KFC? I WILL KILL YOU ALL!!!

And I'm sorry, I'm one of those examples of somebody who's simply not able to use BMI (I'm 6'1", 280, and optimal weight is about 250 for me), but I'll be the first to say that BMI is perfectly acceptable for an 8-year-old...hell, until WELL into adolescence, when some rare boys will start to become ridiculously athletic, it's a perfectly fine measurement.

//Why yes, I do look like a brick with arms, why do you ask?
 
2013-09-24 01:32:47 PM

Genju: Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.




/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.


They probably don't want to use a more invasive measure. They really don't encourage teachers who want to spend a lot of time touching the students...

I also think the skin fold test is more subjective. Depending on how well-trained the gym teachers are, you could wind up with biased data.
 
2013-09-24 01:33:01 PM
Holy- that guy is a nationally syndicated columnist?? That thing read like the whiny "why we shouldn't have a dress code" papers everyone seemed to churn when we were being taught persuasive writing in 7th grade!
 
2013-09-24 01:33:18 PM

Girl Sailor: I'm obese. I admit it. Wish I wasn't but I also prefer beer and wine and reefer and pizza and fine French cooking over whatever other options might be out there.

Anyhow, my son is 9 and rail thin. All his friends are pushing obesity already. You can see the little kids plumping up like Ballpark hot dogs day after day. While I don't love that schools have to be involved, anyone with kids knows that schools play a role in helping shape their children. This means they sometimes have to point out things that affect a child's health that the parents may not want to hear.

Bottom line - when the weather gets cold here, parents are reminded to dress kids appropriately so they don't freeze their plump little butts off during recess. Though you would think it's intensely obvious to any halfway sentient person that a kid needs to wear a coat when it's 25 degrees out, not all parents get it. I don't see how this is any different.


Problem is nobody who calls themselves a "dietician" or "Nutritionist" honestly has the first freaking clue about wy kids are getting fat or how to help them lose weight.

I used to be gigantically fat, and I'm not now, and to get from there to here I basically had to ignore every bit of conventional wisdom on how to lose weight to do it.   Years of hard-core calroie restriction and daily exercise was getting me fatter.  Stopping counting anything but carbs, and eating as much fat and protien as I wanted made me lose 100 lbs in 3 months.

Not only are humans getting fatter, but so are domestic animals AND Laboratory animals.   That's not a lack of willpower, that's clearly something enviromental.  My money is on either evironmental estrogens, or Hgh Fructose corn Syrup.   HFCS defenders claim it is identical calorically to sugar but lab experiement after lab experiment  show mice getting fatter with it than fed an indentical diet of sugar.   And this makes sense, because Calories do not determine weight gain (especially fat gain) your INSULIN RESPONSE to the calories consumed does.  and it is entirely possible that the tace chemical structures in NCFS allow them to be asorbed from gut to bloodstream faster than regularl sugar (celiac's disease does the same thing for wheat gluten) causing greater insulin reactions and higher weight gain.
 
2013-09-24 01:33:39 PM
Worrying whether or not kids are attractive is not something I want teachers doing. BMI is based on aesthetics, not health.
 
2013-09-24 01:34:47 PM
"Your kid is the appropriate weight for a pony. Is your child a pony?"
 
2013-09-24 01:35:17 PM

TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?


We're not talking about achieving perfection, we're talking about a nation where 30% of kids are obese, not just overweight, obese, many of them morbidly so. We need to get off of operation snowflake and pretending everything our kids do is great, and start doing some frickin parenting. A few well built kids might have their parents get letters, and if I had a kid and got that letter, I'd do some evaluating of my own, but I'd certainly be able to take a realistic look at whether or not my kid was a football player or a Dungeons and Dragons player with some Mountain Dew in one hand and Doritos in the other.
 
2013-09-24 01:36:15 PM

Genju: Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.


[www.builtlean.com image 322x247]

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.


Outside of jock wannabe-athletes using it to boost online just how alpha they are, nobody associated in health promotion (see: contributing members of society) anywhere have ever gave two shiat about your unscientific and stupid measurement.
 
2013-09-24 01:36:18 PM

draypresct: Genju: Break out the calipers and start pinching the porkers. BMI isn't a good measure at all.

/Sits between 9% and 13% depending on what phase of lifting I'm in.

They probably don't want to use a more invasive measure. They really don't encourage teachers who want to spend a lot of time touching the students...

I also think the skin fold test is more subjective. Depending on how well-trained the gym teachers are, you could wind up with biased data.


Possibly. But remember as a kid you had to take those vision and hearing tests? Something like that. School nurse maybe.
 
2013-09-24 01:37:36 PM
Completely Agrees

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2013-09-24 01:38:17 PM
Because internet.

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2013-09-24 01:38:58 PM

alizeran: Because internet.

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It's all diet coke in there... that means it is good for you, right?
 
2013-09-24 01:39:00 PM
Funny like it never is a thin person saying "BMI is bullshiat, I am NOT TOO THIN".

/stop stuffing your face, asshat
//stop stuffin your kids' faces
 
2013-09-24 01:40:36 PM

TV's Vinnie: The guy is certainly a Chunk, but he's got a point. The whole BMI index racket pretty much is a distorted standard of "perfection".  It's like the way Barbie dolls make some girls feel inadequate because their body shapes don't conform to the freakishly unhealthy proportions of Barbie & Ken.


Not everyone can be a Greek marble statue with ZERO % body fat, and I sure hope not! How did they ever reproduce with tiny little peckers like that?


America: where no kids are fat anymore. Where there are no stupid or dumb kids. Where there are no losers. Everyone is "differently-abled!"
 
2013-09-24 01:41:25 PM

firefly212: alizeran: Because internet.

[img545.imageshack.us image 500x334]

It's all diet coke in there... that means it is good for you, right?


She's watching her figure
 
2013-09-24 01:41:41 PM
At first I thought they were sending your kid's fat home, and I thought maybe this was like the Hannibal Lecter Elementary school or something, but then I realized I read the headline too fast.

I agree with the writer, though. It's wrong. It's not going to help the kids' self esteem. Instead, they should send "Your kid's phat" letters home. That would probably make those kids feel a lot better about themselves.
 
2013-09-24 01:42:39 PM
At 48 my BMI is 27 - solidly in the  overweight category. Yet my dunk tank body fat is only 15%. For my age group that's 'ideal' verging on athlete... and I'm 5' 7" and only lift weighs sparingly.

Yes, I realize the limitations of BMI. That said, if I lost the weight required (15-20 .lbs) to be 'normal' according to BMI every person I saw would assume I had some horrible wasting disease.
 
2013-09-24 01:44:44 PM
Does this mean that the schools that sent the letters can be arrested for bullying? How would that work, just the principal or all the teachers? Surprised to see this in the days of "Nobody Loses So That Nobody's Feelings Get Hurt".
 
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