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(Yahoo)   Did your youth football team lose by 35 points and now your kids don't want to play anymore? Don't worry, sweetie. We'll penalize the winning team by suspending the coach and making the winning kids afraid to score points   (sports.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2013-09-24 12:10:07 PM  
Yeah, that's dumb.

The pee-wee leagues here just let the losing team play on offense until they score if the mercy rule kicks in (one team up by 24+). Last weekend I had a game where one team scored the Mercy Rule points on the first play of the second half, and the other team was then on offense for the rest of the game. Final score was 27-0.
 
2013-09-24 12:35:52 PM  
Afraid to score points? What a bunch of scaredy cat pussies.


Donnchadha: The pee-wee leagues here just let the losing team play on offense until they score if the mercy rule kicks in


This makes more sense.
 
2013-09-24 12:49:58 PM  
Jr. Tard lieague.
 
2013-09-24 01:18:36 PM  
McHugh's mother, Kelly McHugh, told KCRA that players on her son's team are afraid to score once they get a lead for fear that their coaches will be penalized and the team won't be able to play the following week.

Regardless of whether the rule is a good rule or not...
Those kids do know that points are scored, at most, in 6-point increments, right?
So, they only really need to be "afraid to score" if the lead is already 29 points or more?
 
2013-09-24 01:26:48 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: McHugh's mother, Kelly McHugh, told KCRA that players on her son's team are afraid to score once they get a lead for fear that their coaches will be penalized and the team won't be able to play the following week.

Regardless of whether the rule is a good rule or not...
Those kids do know that points are scored, at most, in 6-point increments, right?
So, they only really need to be "afraid to score" if the lead is already 29 points or more?


Football is the most important thing, not math.
 
2013-09-24 01:28:07 PM  
FTA:

"We lose a lot of football players because their teams lose so badly," Rochin told KCRA. "If they are constantly getting beat, who wants to play anymore? We lose kids all season long because of that.

That's not totally unreasonable. If the aim is to get kids to play and keep them interested in the sport, then the league has an interest in trying to keep games from becoming lop-sided blowouts.

As long as the parents and players know that it's this kind of league, I don't really see a problem.

Now before you crucify me as being some limp-wristed, new age, gun grabbing, pansy liberal who only wants to destroy American values and traditions (which I am, and I do) let me say this.

Kids between 7 and 13 is a pretty big range. These anti-blowout measures should probably be directed more towards the younger kids. When kids get to be 11, 12, 13, they're probably old enough to deal with the occasional lop-sided loss.
 
2013-09-24 01:57:50 PM  
Losing sucks
Failure stings

However.. teaching your kid that life is fair is setting them up for a life of misery.
 
2013-09-24 01:58:05 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: McHugh's mother, Kelly McHugh, told KCRA that players on her son's team are afraid to score once they get a lead for fear that their coaches will be penalized and the team won't be able to play the following week.

Regardless of whether the rule is a good rule or not...
Those kids do know that points are scored, at most, in 6-point increments, right?
So, they only really need to be "afraid to score" if the lead is already 29 points or more?


Why should they be afraid to score at all? The trend of preventing kids from learning about failure is quite alarming.
 
2013-09-24 02:05:31 PM  

Carousel Beast: Why should they be afraid to score at all? The trend of preventing kids from learning about failure is quite alarming.


I guess I don't give a shiat about the mercy rule one way or the other.
It's not "alarming" to me, kids aren't missing lessens about failure if they lose by 30 points instead of 60.

But if the little McHugh boy's team is good enough to be beating teams by that much, they should probably have learned how many points a touchdown makes.
 
2013-09-24 02:09:18 PM  
"We lose a lot of football players because their teams lose so badly," Rochin told KCRA. "If they are constantly getting beat, who wants to play anymore? We lose kids all season long because of that."

They have been losing the bad players. Now they lose the good players who will be forced to hold back.
 
2013-09-24 02:09:41 PM  

Baelz: Losing sucks
Failure stings

However.. teaching your kid that life is fair is setting them up for a life of misery.


I see this crap all the time. There is nothing wrong with teaching your kid that going out of your way to shiat on other people isn't cool.

This isn't about "fair". It's about "decent".
 
2013-09-24 02:09:53 PM  
arghahghahrhfrhgahaharhrhrahrhrrhrrrr.

/godammit.
 
2013-09-24 02:10:37 PM  

oryx: "We lose a lot of football players because their teams lose so badly," Rochin told KCRA. "If they are constantly getting beat, who wants to play anymore? We lose kids all season long because of that."

They have been losing the bad players. Now they lose the good players who will be forced to hold back.


The most important thing is that 8-10 year olds CRUSH others at football. That's the lesson that needs to be learned here!
 
2013-09-24 02:14:16 PM  
I can only imagine the kid running down the field on his was to his first touchdown and being tackled by his own team member on the one yard line. The ball is then ripped out and handed to the other team for a successful fumble recovery.

That sounds wonderful for the integrity of the game.
 
2013-09-24 02:15:52 PM  
I would say the way this particular mercy rule is set up seems kind of... poorly done.
 
2013-09-24 02:19:56 PM  
Congratulations Amerika, the Ruskies have won.
 
2013-09-24 02:25:41 PM  
So Brian France is sponsoring a Youth Football League?
 
2013-09-24 02:28:46 PM  
Player development is being hurt.

How else are they gonna learn to run up 70+ points on their cupcake opponents in college?
 
2013-09-24 02:31:11 PM  
pee-wee football should be banned anyways
 
2013-09-24 02:34:55 PM  
In blowout games when I was in high school, the scoreboard clock would "break" and the refs would keep time on the field.  That was to allow time to keep running when it would normally not (first downs, out-of-bounds, dropped pass), I believe.
 
2013-09-24 02:35:39 PM  
Tom Coughlin nods approvingly, eyes Jerry Reese and the Mara family nervously.
 
2013-09-24 02:39:25 PM  
Too late for these poor guys. Let's hope they don't quit.:

static2.businessinsider.com
 
2013-09-24 02:43:19 PM  
Mercy rules are good things. They usually keep the games a bit more interesting and usually the losing teams aren't going to mount a comeback anyways.

That said, I'm glad I was on some pretty bad teams when I was younger. When I was in the Bronco division (11-12), I played on a team that only won one game. I also had one of my better individual seasons that year and the one win was sweeter than winning the championship a few years later (we were good and we knew it).

To make this post even longer, I do think that adults need to put winning and losing in perspective sometimes. Way back when, I ran youth sports leagues for the parks and rec department. The 1st year I ran flag football, I put together an awful team. They got stomped week in and week out. I felt awful because I did a bad job of balancing the teams (truth is, you can perfectly balance teams and you are still going to have disparity). I apologized to the parents and coaches of this team. However, after the last game of the season, I heard one of the little guys on the team say "ah, man, this sucks.. we don't get to play anymore games".
 
2013-09-24 02:44:35 PM  
The kids don't feel bad about the score. They feel bad due to how the coaches and parents act when these blowouts happen..

I've been on both sides of blowouts when my kids were going through youth league sports. The key was remembering that a blowout doesn't mean suspending sportsmanship. It is not of problem when the winning team keeps it classy and the coaches focus on making sure the kids focus on following their instructions and learning the game, and not the score. No huge celebrations after a big play or score, no taunting of the losing players, and parents cheered but not obnoxiously helps.At the of a couple of those blowouts, after the mandatory "good game" handshakes, the kids on both sides where still gathered in groups talking, laughing, even "recreating" some of the plays. We could tell that the players on the losing team were still encouraged to keep playing.

I really think this speaks more to how coaches and parents forget to act classy than a kid being upset at the score.
 
2013-09-24 02:44:58 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: In blowout games when I was in high school, the scoreboard clock would "break" and the refs would keep time on the field.  That was to allow time to keep running when it would normally not (first downs, out-of-bounds, dropped pass), I believe.


Wuss. A real ref would find ways to take extra time off the clock in plain sight.

Refereeing college intramurals, I found that using the scoreboard controller to subtract an extra minute off the clock the second it started at the beginning of each quarter usually slipped by unnoticed by the players and fans: clock shows 15:00, blow the whistle, start the clock, and suddenly the clock shows 13:59, 13:58, etc. Most people don't look at the clock for a few minutes anyway, and those that do don't necessarily process that missing minute.

The really ballsy refs could sometimes get away with knocking two minutes off at the beginning of a quarter.
 
2013-09-24 02:49:32 PM  

mediablitz: Baelz: Losing sucks
Failure stings

However.. teaching your kid that life is fair is setting them up for a life of misery.

I see this crap all the time. There is nothing wrong with teaching your kid that going out of your way to shiat on other people isn't cool.

This isn't about "fair". It's about "decent".


I think you're confused about the nature of competition.  Sports are not where you teach people to hold themselves back for the benefit of the other players; it's where you teach them to have teamwork with their teammates and as a result to work towards common goals, i.e. victory.

You should not restrain yourself, period, from good-spirited competition in sports.  If you can beat them by a thousand points, do it, and be proud of what you've earned with your skill.  The lesson is just as important for the losing team, that sometimes someone is simply going to outclass you.  If you artificially hold yourself back, all it tells the losing team is that you can toy with them at your pleasure.

This isn't about being 'decent' or compassionate.  It's being aware of the nature of a sport.  It's artificial competition, an environment created purely to compete within.  If you choose not to compete, then you're not engaging in sport.

If you want your kid to learn to treat other children kindly, that has nothing to do with whether or not they trounce them in a game.  If Adam and Steve compete in a sport, neither one benefits from the other holding back.  The only time one should hold back is if they're  teaching the other player.  When a 20 year old is teaching an 8 year old to play basketball, we don't want him slamming the other kid to the ground with a pick.  But when an 8 year old tries to actually compete with a 20 year old, it does the kid no good to have the 20 year old pretend it's a competition.
 
2013-09-24 02:51:37 PM  
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2013-09-24 02:54:02 PM  
The 8-9 year-olds on the baseball team I coach worry about the score and if hey won or last for about as long as it takes the post game ice creams to be handed out
 
2013-09-24 02:54:04 PM  
The purpose of the league is recreation, not winning/losing. These rules make perfect sense to encourage more people to participate
 
2013-09-24 02:55:02 PM  

Uzzah: JohnAnnArbor: In blowout games when I was in high school, the scoreboard clock would "break" and the refs would keep time on the field.  That was to allow time to keep running when it would normally not (first downs, out-of-bounds, dropped pass), I believe.

Wuss. A real ref would find ways to take extra time off the clock in plain sight.

Refereeing college intramurals, I found that using the scoreboard controller to subtract an extra minute off the clock the second it started at the beginning of each quarter usually slipped by unnoticed by the players and fans: clock shows 15:00, blow the whistle, start the clock, and suddenly the clock shows 13:59, 13:58, etc. Most people don't look at the clock for a few minutes anyway, and those that do don't necessarily process that missing minute.

The really ballsy refs could sometimes get away with knocking two minutes off at the beginning of a quarter.


Or you can do what U of Miami did last week and agree with the opposing coach to have 12 minute quarters in the 2nd half. Now that's ballsy.
 
2013-09-24 02:59:27 PM  

Baelz: Losing sucks
Failure stings

However.. teaching your kid that life is fair is setting them up for a life of misery.


What they should teach them is, when you lose, try again and try harder. Learn something from losing. They may never win, but maybe what they learn is they're not good at (whatever) and would be better suited to pursuing something they are good at.
 
2013-09-24 03:00:43 PM  
They should go the Call of Duty route. Once a team has a substantial lead, they should further handicap the losing team and make it impossible for a comeback. Maybe let them have some extra players on the field, or tie weights around the losing team or something...

/nerding up farks threads all day long
/whoever thought swarm or the lodestar was a good idea is a farking idiot
 
2013-09-24 03:01:08 PM  

carnifex2005: Uzzah: JohnAnnArbor: In blowout games when I was in high school, the scoreboard clock would "break" and the refs would keep time on the field.  That was to allow time to keep running when it would normally not (first downs, out-of-bounds, dropped pass), I believe.

Wuss. A real ref would find ways to take extra time off the clock in plain sight.

Refereeing college intramurals, I found that using the scoreboard controller to subtract an extra minute off the clock the second it started at the beginning of each quarter usually slipped by unnoticed by the players and fans: clock shows 15:00, blow the whistle, start the clock, and suddenly the clock shows 13:59, 13:58, etc. Most people don't look at the clock for a few minutes anyway, and those that do don't necessarily process that missing minute.

The really ballsy refs could sometimes get away with knocking two minutes off at the beginning of a quarter.

Or you can do what U of Miami did last week and agree with the opposing coach to have 12 minute quarters in the 2nd half. Now that's ballsy.


Football has a tradition of allowing mutually-agreed changes in rules for single games.  Michigan and Western Michigan agreed to end a game in the mid-third quarter a year or two ago, rather than wait for a storm to pass.
 
2013-09-24 03:03:24 PM  
Children should not be allowed to play football. With the proven rate of concussions it should be classified as child abuse to allow your child to take those repeated blows to the head, but I guess the Republitards have to create new party members some how.
 
2013-09-24 03:07:25 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Children should not be allowed to play football. With the proven rate of concussions it should be classified as child abuse to allow your child to take those repeated blows to the head, but I guess the Republitards have to create new party members some how.


0.5/10
 
2013-09-24 03:19:00 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The purpose of the league is recreation, not winning/losing. These rules make perfect sense to encourage more people to participate


Then why keep score at all?  Let the kids play in the backyard if no one wants a winner and a loser.
 
2013-09-24 03:22:28 PM  

mattharvest: it's where you teach them to have teamwork with their teammates and as a result to work towards common goals, i.e. victory.


So you'd agree that once you've ensured a victory that you can probably knock it off with the trying to score on every play.
 
2013-09-24 03:32:17 PM  
If you are way ahead, play all your scrubs on defense.

Problem solved.
 
2013-09-24 03:34:36 PM  
Rev.K:
Kids between 7 and 13 is a pretty big range. These anti-blowout measures should probably be directed more towards the younger kids. When kids get to be 11, 12, 13, they're probably old enough to deal with the occasional lop-sided loss.

That. It's totally fine for everyone to get a ribbon when they're little kids. They're little kids! And you want them to stay engaged and interested in the sport.

By the time they hit the teenage years, c'mon now.

/Got my ass kicked so badly at hockey when I was that age
//So badly
 
2013-09-24 03:37:31 PM  
I heard the Niners are thinking of having this implemented in the NFL.
 
2013-09-24 03:40:23 PM  
Back when I was playing pee wee football, the league instituted a 40 point rule that instantly ended the game, because of my team (we only had 5-6 players on the bench).

That only encouraged us. Half of the first season with the new rule, we were done by halftime.
 
2013-09-24 03:55:28 PM  

ladodger34: Mercy rules are good things. They usually keep the games a bit more interesting and usually the losing teams aren't going to mount a comeback anyways.

That said, I'm glad I was on some pretty bad teams when I was younger. When I was in the Bronco division (11-12), I played on a team that only won one game. I also had one of my better individual seasons that year and the one win was sweeter than winning the championship a few years later (we were good and we knew it).

To make this post even longer, I do think that adults need to put winning and losing in perspective sometimes. Way back when, I ran youth sports leagues for the parks and rec department. The 1st year I ran flag football, I put together an awful team. They got stomped week in and week out. I felt awful because I did a bad job of balancing the teams (truth is, you can perfectly balance teams and you are still going to have disparity). I apologized to the parents and coaches of this team. However, after the last game of the season, I heard one of the little guys on the team say "ah, man, this sucks.. we don't get to play anymore games".


You're correct. It is usually the kids that want to play and the parents that are "sick of wasting their time and money" watching their snowflakes lose.

Learning how to handle defeat is as much of a lesson in youth sport as is learning the game.
 
2013-09-24 03:57:49 PM  

Rev.K: FTA:

"We lose a lot of football players because their teams lose so badly," Rochin told KCRA. "If they are constantly getting beat, who wants to play anymore? We lose kids all season long because of that.

That's not totally unreasonable. If the aim is to get kids to play and keep them interested in the sport, then the league has an interest in trying to keep games from becoming lop-sided blowouts.

As long as the parents and players know that it's this kind of league, I don't really see a problem.

Now before you crucify me as being some limp-wristed, new age, gun grabbing, pansy liberal who only wants to destroy American values and traditions (which I am, and I do) let me say this.

Kids between 7 and 13 is a pretty big range. These anti-blowout measures should probably be directed more towards the younger kids. When kids get to be 11, 12, 13, they're probably old enough to deal with the occasional lop-sided loss.


Those losses in candyland when you were 7-9 are still affecting you negatively I see.
 
2013-09-24 03:58:07 PM  
Dumbest rule i have ever heard of in regards to mercy rules.   All that is needed for a mercy rule is if the lead is by more than X points the game is called if both coaches agree and 99 times out of 100 they will,

The fines and suspensions is completely horseshiat.
 
2013-09-24 04:06:29 PM  

grimlock1972: Dumbest rule i have ever heard of in regards to mercy rules.   All that is needed for a mercy rule is if the lead is by more than X points the game is called if both coaches agree and 99 times out of 100 they will,

The fines and suspensions is completely horseshiat.


Fixed. Coaches don't get a say in a mercy rule situation. Game's over when the difference is X points.
 
2013-09-24 04:08:50 PM  
I'm probably going to get accused of being a snowflake coddler here, but I think there's a clear line between a rec team and a tryout team.

If you play on a team where anybody can sign up, pay a the fee, get a doctor's note and be guaranteed a place on a team, then the league should be set up so you have some guaranteed amount of playing time, opportunities for development and the league should be able to divy up talent and set up rules to keep the game competitive.  I have no problem with *MOST* of the snowflake rules as they apply this league.  (The one exception is keeping score.  I think you should ALWAYS keep score as it helps develop situational strategy and its important to learn that some things in life are a zero-sum game).

If you tried out for a team where you could only make the team based on talent then the coach has whatever right he wants to play (or not play) you as it pertains to winning.  If your kid sits on the bench all season, you should consider him lucky to have made the team, or consider putting him in the rec league to actually play.
 
2013-09-24 04:09:39 PM  

MyRandomName: Those losses in candyland when you were 7-9 are still affecting you negatively I see.


www.vh1.com
 
2013-09-24 04:11:55 PM  

bborchar: Lost Thought 00: The purpose of the league is recreation, not winning/losing. These rules make perfect sense to encourage more people to participate

Then why keep score at all?  Let the kids play in the backyard if no one wants a winner and a loser.


We kept score when we played in the back yard.
 
2013-09-24 04:13:21 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: McHugh's mother, Kelly McHugh, told KCRA that players on her son's team are afraid to score once they get a lead for fear that their coaches will be penalized and the team won't be able to play the following week.

Regardless of whether the rule is a good rule or not...
Those kids do know that points are scored, at most, in 6-point increments, right?
So, they only really need to be "afraid to score" if the lead is already 29 points or more?


They take their student-athlete-as-functional-innumerate obligations very seriously.
 
2013-09-24 04:14:44 PM  

bborchar: Lost Thought 00: The purpose of the league is recreation, not winning/losing. These rules make perfect sense to encourage more people to participate

Then why keep score at all?  Let the kids play in the backyard if no one wants a winner and a loser.


It wouldn't be a problem if the world wasn't filled with assholes, but it is, and they should be blamed for these rules, not the rule makers.
 
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