mwfark: doyner: mwfark: Nobody owes you healthcare. Act like a grown-up and take care of yourself.I know, right? Part of taking care of yourself is not having a childhood illness that is deemed a pre-existing condition. Another part is not having your insurance recinded. Another part is having a job that allows you to afford insurance... It's so obvious! Why is this so hard for people to understand?I'll grant you pre-existing conditions, but that could have been addressed without the full implementation of the leviathan that is Obamacare. But if you want a better job with better benefits, then pursue it. Again, nobody owes you a thing.
netcentric: Y2K was supposed to be gnarly too.
doyner: This text is now purple: doyner: Doctors who do it out of the good of their hearts are few and far between. Most of them get into the job for the pay. And again, with the cost of education, it's not worth it for most people.So which country's system do you think works best?Works best for what?Maximizing public health while minimizing individual cost. (I know, I know, that's crazy talk, but work with me here.)
The more you eat the more you fart: How do you think the doctor becomes aware of that abnormal lab result? Because nurses like your wife get the report, sees the result, and flags it for the doctor to see. Shes just as knowledgeable about the various lab test results as any physician and thats a FACT.I depend on the lpn's working under me and trust their expertise implicitly
surrender903: Kit Fister: surrender903: Kit Fister: Tigger: moral consequencesThe thing is noone is asking to imposition YOU for others to be insured. Noone is asking for you to "carry anyone else." Healthcare is not mutually exclusive. Its not as if me caring for those on medicaid disqualifies you because you have Personal Choice.
RedTank: It's not a right. It's the product of someone else's labor. It's no more your right than the products of your labor are anyone else's right. We should provide things like food, shelter, clothing and medicine for those unable to provide for themselves because it is right to do so and betters us as a society, but nine of those things are rights.Ok, so the distinction you are trying to make is that there are rights and then there are certain products that a society has the right to provide? Why does that distinction matter in this case?
MythDragon: . "The shortfall of primary-care access is not an insignificant problemCan't you just say "The shortfall of primary-care access is a significant problem "?Wouldn't that be easier Mr Doublenegatives?
Flab: Kit Fister: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't this a good problem to have?No. When you have a massive increase in number of patients vs. doctors, you have two problems: 1. The wait time for care gets longer. 2. The amount of time the doctor has to spend with each patient to properly diagnose an issue decreases.As a subset of item 2, you also increase the workload and the chance of mistaken diagnosis, improper prescription of medication, and unnecessary medical procedures that result in issues for patients.I want people to have health care, but we need to also help get more doctors into the system to offset the increased load.I have an issue with your number 2. Most doctors (even up here in our Great Frozen Socialist Paradise) already spend as little time as necessary with their patients because they can bill more patients that way. So don't expect a big change in the way most doctors operate.
ManRay: doyner: OK. And? Won't the Free MarketTM adjust to the new demand for supply?The Free Market is pushing smart motivated people into other more lucrative professions. Why spend all that time going to school to work for the government when you can become a lawyer or work in finance and make much more money?
nobodycaneatfiftyeggs: randomjsa: I know things like "reality" are really hard for some of you to accept but the consequences of saying "screw the reality, we're moving forward no matter what" are going to be pretty significant.What you think "is fair" and what "will actually give the best results" are not always the same thing.Okay. Educate me. What will actually give the best results?
ultraholland: lovefirststool: Because, speaking as a physician,no, you're not.
The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Aren't there still going to be sky high co-pays and deductibles? I'm sure that will prevent some of these poor people from treating their chronic conditions, and we'll all be saved.
Kit Fister: ultraholland: lovefirststool: Because, speaking as a physician,no, you're not.I'd be interested to know how you know he isn't. Since he hasn't posted his medical license or any proof, obviously, we could say he's not, but right now, he's basically Schroedinger's Doctor. He both is and is not an MD since we have not directly observed his license.
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