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(Huffington Post)   In today's lesson on how the Internet doesn't work, California Gov. Jerry Brown gives kids under 18 a magic 'eraser button' to remove their posts from websites   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 134
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2013-09-24 07:25:55 AM
Any site with users from California?

Wow.
 
2013-09-24 07:40:02 AM
Well, the politics tab is certainly going to get a lot less interesting.
 
2013-09-24 07:59:19 AM
Good luck with that.
 
2013-09-24 08:13:14 AM
I support this for the sole reason that the people this will hassle the most are those who voted for these politicians.
 
2013-09-24 08:45:48 AM
 
2013-09-24 08:50:56 AM
So at what time will Fark implement such a jolly, shiny, candy-like button?
 
2013-09-24 08:57:13 AM

Dimensio: So at what time will Fark implement such a jolly, shiny, candy-like button?


Had one.
Drew ate it.
 
2013-09-24 09:44:12 AM
"it's a magic eraser which will make all your troubles go away"
superradnow.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-24 09:44:39 AM
Yes, it's true. We have an idiot governor. We don't call him Moonbeam for nothing.

/didn't vote for him
//neither did either of my parents his first time around
///but my wife did *eyeroll*
 
2013-09-24 09:49:38 AM
Do kids even know what an eraser is these days?
 
2013-09-24 09:53:13 AM

Arkanaut: Do kids even know what an eraser is these days?


Wasn't that the failed Hot Wheels MMO racing game? I remember it started out pretty good but then they nerfed the Tricar X8.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-09-24 09:53:59 AM
Most websites have this functionality already built in.. Just the website admin doesn't enable it.. Usually simple as adding a new user permission..
 
2013-09-24 09:54:41 AM
So when major websites that aren't under California jurisdiction don't both complying... what then?
 
2013-09-24 09:56:17 AM
Won't websites like Fark just add "must be 18 to create an account" and be done wi it?
 
2013-09-24 09:56:34 AM
George Maharis, inventor of Fakeblock unavailable for comment
 
2013-09-24 09:56:38 AM
Jerry Brown = Eraserhead.
 
2013-09-24 09:57:17 AM
Apparently governor genius has never heard of screenshots.
 
2013-09-24 09:59:00 AM
It's nice to know that 'the internet' is within in the jurisdiction of California.
 
2013-09-24 10:00:40 AM
It worked on his brain......
 
2013-09-24 10:01:51 AM
This can't possibly be abused by spiteful teenagers who will harass their less popular peers and then delete the evidence.
 
2013-09-24 10:02:38 AM
Meanwhile, at the NSA...
i37.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-24 10:03:32 AM
If only there was a magic 'eraser button'  to remove California Gov. Jerry Brown.
 
2013-09-24 10:07:02 AM

Mytch: It's nice to know that 'the internet' is within in the jurisdiction of California.


Well they are the world's 8th largest economy all on thier own of course.
 
2013-09-24 10:07:04 AM

Mytch: It's nice to know that 'the internet' is within in the jurisdiction of California.


What jurisdiction do you believe the internet falls under?
 
2013-09-24 10:07:08 AM
yes does this cover sites that claim you must be 18 to post?

Cuz....
 
2013-09-24 10:10:36 AM
BRB. Buying shares of SE Johnson Wax.

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2013-09-24 10:13:22 AM

Brick-House: If only there was a magic 'eraser button'  to remove California Gov. Jerry Brown.


Worked with Davis.
 
2013-09-24 10:13:40 AM
Wow, good luck with that one. Does it also apply to posts that quote the deleted post?
 
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2013-09-24 10:13:47 AM

styckx: Most websites have this functionality already built in.. Just the website admin doesn't enable it.. Usually simple as adding a new user permission..


And you remove things from the tape backups that may get restored later how?
 
2013-09-24 10:15:19 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Apparently governor genius has never heard of screenshots.


Yeah, it's certainly not a "magic eraser" but kids post dumb shiat, and it would make it harder for someone to find. This isn't really a bad thing, IMHO.

On the other hand, kids need to be taught that the internet is forever, and this doesn't really erase it. If someone REALLY wants to find it, they'll find it.

Doesn't Fark have an age restriction already? I'm not talking about mental age, Fark would be a ghost town if that was the case.
 
2013-09-24 10:16:56 AM
No laws should ever be passed unless they 100% fix the problem without any cost or hardship of any kind.
 
2013-09-24 10:17:05 AM
Your IP address indicates that you're from California. We're sorry but the IQ of your legislators disqualifies you from participating on this forum.
 
2013-09-24 10:17:39 AM

oh_please: This isn't really a bad thing, IMHO.


It's a needless feel-good piece of legislation that probably won't actually help anyone. That'd be a bad thing in my book, but I'm not a fan of making laws just for the sake of making laws.
 
2013-09-24 10:20:30 AM
We already impose strict rules on our kids about what to post.  My son is not really a problem.  But my daughter with her Instagram is a bit of a problem.  She's never posted anything out of line.  But a few times she has posted pictures of her friends that they disapproved of, and of course it caused problems between them.  This happens with 12 year olds.  All we can really do is to remind her not to post ANYTHING unless everyone involved is cool with it.

Needless to say, neither one of them have FB accounts.  I'm not even sure IF let alone WHEN we will allow that.
 
2013-09-24 10:24:44 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: oh_please: This isn't really a bad thing, IMHO.

It's a needless feel-good piece of legislation that probably won't actually help anyone. That'd be a bad thing in my book, but I'm not a fan of making laws just for the sake of making laws.


It'll help a little, but I wonder if minors will think that they can post whatever they want, then just erase it forever, which is not the case. The more I think about it, that's not a good thing for several reasons.
 
2013-09-24 10:27:09 AM

durbnpoisn: We already impose strict rules on our kids about what to post.  My son is not really a problem.  But my daughter with her Instagram is a bit of a problem.  She's never posted anything out of line.  But a few times she has posted pictures of her friends that they disapproved of, and of course it caused problems between them.  This happens with 12 year olds.  All we can really do is to remind her not to post ANYTHING unless everyone involved is cool with it.

Needless to say, neither one of them have FB accounts.  I'm not even sure IF let alone WHEN we will allow that.


Man, I'm so glad I don't have teenage kids. Good on you for actually parenting.
 
2013-09-24 10:29:24 AM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Unimpressed.

/hot
 
2013-09-24 10:29:35 AM

Brick-House: If only there was a magic 'eraser button'  to remove California Gov. Jerry Brown.


He's a pretty good governor, actually - especially compared to the Republican retard movie actor he replaced - but the best thing about him is the way he makes you righties flip your shiat and piss all over yourselves like excited puppies. It's hilarious to watch.
 
2013-09-24 10:31:00 AM
"The new law also prohibits youth-oriented websites or those that know they have users who are minors from advertising products that are illegal to underagers, such guns, alcohol and tobacco."

So, what about this?
http://eddieeagle.nra.org/

I think we're going to see that rare ACLU/NRA team-up coming in the near future. It's also interesting that it can be legal to sell a firearm to a minor in California. I'm also curious about the interstate implications. Minors can legally purchase firearms in Illinois, for instance, and can legal possess them in almost every state. I'm sure Texas, for instance, will take a dim view of California attempting to abridge the speech of Texas forums.
 
2013-09-24 10:33:31 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: oh_please: This isn't really a bad thing, IMHO.

It's a needless feel-good piece of legislation that probably won't actually help anyone. That'd be a bad thing in my book, but I'm not a fan of making laws just for the sake of making laws.


I think the California legislature leads the league in useless, feel-good legislation.
 
2013-09-24 10:37:26 AM

RminusQ: This can't possibly be abused by spiteful teenagers who will harass their less popular peers and then delete the evidence.


Not sure, but you're onto something here.

The law presumes that the posts will be made by the kid who is the one being harassed for it.  I have no doubt kids post up stupid things about themselves; I also have no doubt that more of the embarrassing posts (youtube vids, etc) by kids are being put up there by other kids, something this law doesn't even begin to touch.  I know, nirvana fallacy, but if you're worried about online bullying that would be the place to start.

This law isn't halfway as bad as people think (it contains exceptions for when the operator is legally required to preserve the information), but unless the kid works at the speed of light I'm guessing this is going to be a lot of closing the gates after the horse has left.
 
2013-09-24 10:39:18 AM
Can we just ban minors from doing anything in public yet?
 
2013-09-24 10:39:54 AM

This text is now purple: "The new law also prohibits youth-oriented websites or those that know they have users who are minors from advertising products that are illegal to underagers, such guns, alcohol and tobacco."

So, what about this?
http://eddieeagle.nra.org/

I think we're going to see that rare ACLU/NRA team-up coming in the near future. It's also interesting that it can be legal to sell a firearm to a minor in California. I'm also curious about the interstate implications. Minors can legally purchase firearms in Illinois, for instance, and can legal possess them in almost every state. I'm sure Texas, for instance, will take a dim view of California attempting to abridge the speech of Texas forums.


Likely irrelevant.  That portion is a meaningless feel-good routine, practically unenforcable in parts and completely unenforcable in others.  Unless there's a section that majorly clarifies the matter, "youth-oriented websites" is impermissably vague.  It's also not plausible for most website owners to know the age of people viewing their page.  For that matter, what about sites owned by someone outside of California?  It's a little like the anti-fornication statutes that are still on the books in some states:  The only reason they're still around is because nobody's ever actually been charged with anything.
 
2013-09-24 10:47:42 AM

bopis: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: oh_please: This isn't really a bad thing, IMHO.

It's a needless feel-good piece of legislation that probably won't actually help anyone. That'd be a bad thing in my book, but I'm not a fan of making laws just for the sake of making laws.

I think the California legislature leads the league in useless, feel-good legislation.


They may as well - California is virtually ungovernable anyway - most of our politicians are essentially clowns who we elect more for their entertainment value than anything else. Positions in California politics would be wasted on good men, since our insane initiative system allows the dumbest guy (we, the people)in the room carte blanche to run the state into the ground every 15 years.
And we do.
 
2013-09-24 10:51:58 AM
Ban anyone under 18 from any internet use.
 
2013-09-24 10:52:33 AM
In a related story, California voters are pushing to include a magic eraser button on all future voting ballots.
 
2013-09-24 10:55:00 AM
If a website that is not based in California chooses to not obey this law, what recourse is there? I can't imagine Drew responding to a request to reply with anything but a hearty "Go fark yourself".
 
2013-09-24 10:58:01 AM

Keeve: In a related story, California voters are pushing to include a magic eraser button on all future voting ballots.


Oh, don't worry - we've already got one of those.
And we can be counted on to employ it with wisdom and discretion.
Heh.
 
2013-09-24 10:58:08 AM
The law, SB568, aka the "947th Attempt To Shelter Young Adults From Any Possible Negative Consequences Of Their Actions Thus Ensuring That They Will Be Even Less Prepared For Adulthood Act", was authored by state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento).

FTFTFA
 
2013-09-24 10:58:35 AM
Well, it worked to get Amazon to collect sales taxes even though they were based elsewhere.
 
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