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(National Post)   Researchers think they've found a treatment for depression when conventional methods fail. It involves drilling a half-inch hole in your skull, but that's smaller than what depression sufferers would be willing to inflict on themselves   (life.nationalpost.com) divider line 28
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2013-09-24 07:34:09 AM  
A half-inch hole is .50 caliber.  That's smaller than pretty much any commonly used modern firearm except for 20 and 12 gauge shotguns.
 
2013-09-24 08:04:28 AM  

dittybopper: A half-inch hole is .50 caliber.  That's smaller than pretty much any commonly used modern firearm except for 20 and 12 gauge shotguns.


Weird, I thought the headline had the phrase "would be willing to inflict," not "would most commonly inflict with a firearm"


Anyway, I say they need a good leeching.
 
2013-09-24 08:33:15 AM  
Ah, the return of trepanning!
 
2013-09-24 09:17:45 AM  

dittybopper: A half-inch hole is .50 caliber.  That's smaller than pretty much any commonly used modern firearm except for 20 and 12 gauge shotguns.


Or bigger, even
 
2013-09-24 09:26:39 AM  
www.tasteofcinema.com

// Obscure?
 
2013-09-24 09:26:49 AM  
And it would have worked too, if you hadn't stopped me.
 
2013-09-24 09:33:11 AM  

Mattix: [www.tasteofcinema.com image 500x302]

// Obscure?


Brainpan not for making pi.


Relatively Obscure: Anyway, I say they need a good leeching.


No, that's reserved for modern microsurgical techniques, especially hand and ear.


Rincewind53: Ah, the return of trepanning!


They were doing this for irritable bowel syndrome.  Trephination for defecation, or as it was more commonly known, trepanning for bedpanning.

/Now THAT might actually be obscure!
 
2013-09-24 09:45:59 AM  

born_yesterday: And it would have worked too, if you hadn't stopped me.


Came for this.


Although Mason would disagree.

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2013-09-24 09:46:41 AM  
Meh.  I'm more interested to see what sort of results they're getting with electromagnetic stimulation.

/bonus for me: a local med school is pioneering the field.
 
2013-09-24 10:08:07 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Meh.  I'm more interested to see what sort of results they're getting with electromagnetic stimulation.

/bonus for me: a local med school is pioneering the field.


Pioneering? They were doing it at the psych hospital I worked at 8 years ago, and a friend of mine had it done to her around the same time.

They may be the leading researchers or the guys who pioneered it, but I'd say the landscape is pretty rich at this point.

// yes - shallow and pedantic
// from what I know, it takes about/at least 1-2 weeks to "reboot" the brain, and the difference in mood from before to after is quite stark
// some patients say they'd absolutely do it again (if needed), others felt like they'd been fundamentally altered/violated (even after informed consent, etc)
 
2013-09-24 10:32:12 AM  
Came for the Pi reference. I knew you farkers wouldn't disappoint.
 
2013-09-24 11:17:20 AM  

Dr Dreidel: // some patients say they'd absolutely do it again (if needed), others felt like they'd been fundamentally altered/violated (even after informed consent, etc)


This doesn't surprise me at all. I've had severe, treatment-resistant depression since I was 14. I have no idea who I'd be without it. Since there's no way to find out ahead of time, there are bound to be people who are uncomfortable/unhappy with the results.

I wanted to volunteer for the study in Atlanta where they actually surgically remove a chunk of your brain, but you had to have tried ECT first, and since my job requires me to keep a huge volume of information in my head, I'm too worried about the potential for even short term memory loss.
 
2013-09-24 11:17:50 AM  
I've been suffering very severe depression since the start of the year.  Many actual reasons exist for it - my Mum's death this time last year, general displeasure at being stagnant professionally for too long, blah blah blah.  All good reasons to be feeling down.

Anyway after mucking about with various antideps and other health issues, the diagnosis came 2 weeks ago.   Pheochromocytoma - a tumour on the adrenal gland.  Tumour is 30mm x 50mm x 50mm roughly.

Currently treating it, and surgery to remove it will happen in early november.  So who cares you ask?  Well this diagnosis explains so much with so many things I"ve had wrong with me this year, that what I'm potentially looking at is a huge magic bullet to fix everything from my depression, headaches, dizzy spells, weight loss and appetite loss, panic attacks, heart palpitations, you name it.  It is seriously exciting to look into the future and to hold hope.  God I hope it does take care of the depression though.
 
2013-09-24 11:19:56 AM  
On a side note, and purely to piss off the Americans here, here's an estimate of what I've had done so far this year, as an  uninsured moocher

GP visits: probably about 30
Hospital visits: 2 (7 days total)
scans:  2 different lung x rays, an ankle x ray, and an abdominal CT scan
blood tests: I'll guess 15-20 of them
medications:  2x antideps, 3x blood pressure meds, 1 nausea med
I'm sure theres other stuff here, but this will work for the time being.

Total cost for the year: I'll guess it to be about $150-$200, About $50-$100 of that would be the drugs, with the rest being a few of the blood tests
 
2013-09-24 11:26:50 AM  

Rincewind53: Ah, the return of trepanning!


I need that like I need a hole in the head.
 
2013-09-24 11:47:23 AM  
Well, of COURSE they have to drill a hole in the skull! How ELSE are they going to let the evil spirits out?
 
2013-09-24 12:19:40 PM  

Rincewind53: Ah, the return of trepanning!


Before Reading: "how is trepanation going to solve anything?"
After Reading: Okay that actually seems like a good idea.
 
2013-09-24 12:40:22 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-24 12:47:28 PM  
 More blowjobs
 
2013-09-24 01:47:36 PM  

dittybopper: A half-inch hole is .50 caliber.   That's smaller than pretty much any commonly used modern firearm except for 20 and 12 gauge shotguns.


You are on a roll lately.
 
2013-09-24 01:54:33 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Dwight_Yeast: Meh.  I'm more interested to see what sort of results they're getting with electromagnetic stimulation.

/bonus for me: a local med school is pioneering the field.

Pioneering? They were doing it at the psych hospital I worked at 8 years ago, and a friend of mine had it done to her around the same time.

They may be the leading researchers or the guys who pioneered it, but I'd say the landscape is pretty rich at this point.

// yes - shallow and pedantic
// from what I know, it takes about/at least 1-2 weeks to "reboot" the brain, and the difference in mood from before to after is quite stark
// some patients say they'd absolutely do it again (if needed), others felt like they'd been fundamentally altered/violated (even after informed consent, etc)


I'm in the middle of this thing right now.
It is stark. My son said they turned the manic up too high for one of the treatments.

I'm tired of being sad and tired.
And I understand about the violation thing. If, like me, you've mostly been depressed all your life- you don't know who you really are without it.
 
2013-09-24 01:57:29 PM  

gglibertine: Dr Dreidel: // some patients say they'd absolutely do it again (if needed), others felt like they'd been fundamentally altered/violated (even after informed consent, etc)

This doesn't surprise me at all. I've had severe, treatment-resistant depression since I was 14. I have no idea who I'd be without it. Since there's no way to find out ahead of time, there are bound to be people who are uncomfortable/unhappy with the results.

I wanted to volunteer for the study in Atlanta where they actually surgically remove a chunk of your brain, but you had to have tried ECT first, and since my job requires me to keep a huge volume of information in my head, I'm too worried about the potential for even short term memory loss.


Well, damn. I wish you wouldn't have to been the first to say what I said.
 
2013-09-24 02:23:46 PM  

born_yesterday: And it would have worked too, if you hadn't stopped me.


i970.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-24 02:34:46 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

It's been done
 
2013-09-24 03:50:31 PM  
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Approves.
 
2013-09-24 06:12:58 PM  
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-25 12:02:47 AM  

SJKebab: I've been suffering very severe depression since the start of the year.  Many actual reasons exist for it - my Mum's death this time last year, general displeasure at being stagnant professionally for too long, blah blah blah.  All good reasons to be feeling down.

Anyway after mucking about with various antideps and other health issues, the diagnosis came 2 weeks ago.   Pheochromocytoma - a tumour on the adrenal gland.  Tumour is 30mm x 50mm x 50mm roughly.

Currently treating it, and surgery to remove it will happen in early november.  So who cares you ask?  Well this diagnosis explains so much with so many things I"ve had wrong with me this year, that what I'm potentially looking at is a huge magic bullet to fix everything from my depression, headaches, dizzy spells, weight loss and appetite loss, panic attacks, heart palpitations, you name it.  It is seriously exciting to look into the future and to hold hope.  God I hope it does take care of the depression though.


You're lucky to have something they can actually find and treat causing it. I can't tell you how disappointed I've been that every useful test has come back negative.
 
2013-09-25 01:50:34 AM  

ornithopter: You're lucky to have something they can actually find and treat causing it. I can't tell you how disappointed I've been that every useful test has come back negative.


VERY lucky.  It was a series of complete coincidences that enabled the diagnosis to happen in the first place.  If I had've been using my normal medical methods this year rather than changing it up as I did, I don't think I ever would've been diagnosed.  Good luck with your own issues though mate.  I'm sure theres nothing I can suggest that you haven't already tried, but don't lose hope and keep on keeping on.
 
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