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(WTSP)   Best advice ever for challenging a ticket that comes from a red light camera   (wtsp.com) divider line 21
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2013-09-24 08:59:35 AM
FTFA: But drivers who unsuccessfully contest tickets face additional fees of up to $250 in addition to the original $158 fine. Most cities are charging $100 for the administrative fee, but New Port Richey, Bradenton, and Clearwater are among the cities that are currently reserving their right to charge "up to $250" for anyone who unsuccessfully appeals a violation.

Justice? Not even if you can afford it.
 
2013-09-24 09:02:25 AM
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Have your "Franklin Comes Alive" CD handy

Not the right photo. I know.
 
2013-09-24 09:06:21 AM
best advice in florida is to argue that red light tickets are illegal under the equal protection clause. The state can't punish people differently for the same crime, That violates equal protection clauses in both the U.S. and Florida constitutions.

Under Florida red-light camera law,the fine is $158 and have no notation on their drivers' licenses. A fine plus court costs for an officer-written ticket is usually about $260 plus three points assessed against the license.
 
2013-09-24 09:09:29 AM
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"You can start by picking up that can, citizen"
*thwack*
 
2013-09-24 09:19:42 AM
Destroy the cameras.  Enough people do it and they'll take them out.
 
2013-09-24 09:21:53 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Destroy the cameras.  Enough people do it and they'll take them out.


Stand your ground Floridians!

What could go wrong?
 
2013-09-24 09:28:42 AM
Your honor that couldn't have been me, I was completely blackout drunk that week.
 
2013-09-24 09:33:35 AM
It is only a fine if you choose to pay it.
 
2013-09-24 10:33:26 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Destroy the cameras.  Enough people do it and they'll take them out.


People are doing that with speed cameras.  In Maryland and probably other states.

In MD, one true way of getting out of a speeding camera ticket is to see if the location of the camera is posted on the gov't webpage.  By law, it has to be.  At least one guy got out of a ticket because they moved the camera there before updating the webpage, so his ticket was thrown out.
 
2013-09-24 10:47:59 AM

Gunderson: It is only a fine if you choose to pay it.


Ah the old "Stop paying your property taxes and see who really owns your house defense."
 
2013-09-24 11:13:10 AM
Meet my attorney, the former Texas State Appellate judge.
Licensed in 32 states
He doesn't lose.
.. and he's a relative.

/no cost legal representation
//hates the system
 
2013-09-24 12:39:22 PM
www.tunersgroup.com
 
2013-09-24 12:50:24 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHA  *breathe* BWAHAHAHAHAHA

/rant Sorry, but it's time for me to repeat my Florida red light ticket story because it's so farking asinine it needs to be repeated often so the whole world knows how corrupt the Florida judicial system is. So, here it goes:

  I received a red light ticket about a year or do ago. I went to court to fight the ticket because I was innocent. The ticket was issued to me for making a right turn on red without coming to a complete stop. That is good and all EXCEPT the law in Florida allows a right hand turn in red "providing it is safe and prudent to do so". In my case the camera took video of my "violation". The video showed me approaching the intersection and braking my vehicle to under ten miles an hour before I proceeded to make the turn. The video also shows that there was absolutely zero traffic at the intersection. It also shows that there is zero traffic entering the intersection for the remaining ten seconds of the video after I made my turn. So, what have we learned by watching the video of my "violation"? We learned that I braked to under ten miles an hour, that I observed the intersection and that there was no traffic. I then made my turn on red in what can only be termed a safe and prudent manner, just like the law says.

  I pleaded my case with the Magistrate. He then proved that Florida only had placed these cameras for enhanced safety of the public by saying "Guilty. You did not operate your vehicle in a safe and prudent manner for there COULD have been a car making u-turn, the fine is $264 plus court costs. Pay the clerk.". WTF Honorable Florida Magistrate?! THERE WAS NO CAR MAKING U-TURN. WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE THERE WAS VIDEO.

  I was at the court house for a few hours waiting to be called. During that time I must have watched 30 or so others plead not guilty as well, with many using the same defense. In almost every case their video also showed no traffic, but in every case they too were found guilty, despite clearly being innocent. Not a single person was found not guilty. It was quite obvious that this was a scam and there was not a chance of anyone beating the charge. The court didn't even try to hide it, they have a license to fleece the public. It was sickening to watch.

  I find it hard to believe that we as citizens put up with this crap, but like everyone else I'm completely powerless to do anything about it. Fark Florida and fark the courts who cheat and steal from their own citizens. I cheer every time I hear about one of their precious cameras being taken out by some redneck with a shotgun. Organized crime is alive and well in this country, but it's no longer run by the mob, is run by the government and it's appalling.

/end rant
 
2013-09-24 01:09:26 PM

OBBN: BWAHAHAHAHAHA  *breathe* BWAHAHAHAHAHA

/rant Sorry, but it's time for me to repeat my Florida red light ticket story because it's so farking asinine it needs to be repeated often so the whole world knows how corrupt the Florida judicial system is. So, here it goes:

  I received a red light ticket about a year or do ago. I went to court to fight the ticket because I was innocent. The ticket was issued to me for making a right turn on red without coming to a complete stop. That is good and all EXCEPT the law in Florida allows a right hand turn in red "providing it is safe and prudent to do so". In my case the camera took video of my "violation". The video showed me approaching the intersection and braking my vehicle to under ten miles an hour before I proceeded to make the turn. The video also shows that there was absolutely zero traffic at the intersection. It also shows that there is zero traffic entering the intersection for the remaining ten seconds of the video after I made my turn. So, what have we learned by watching the video of my "violation"? We learned that I braked to under ten miles an hour, that I observed the intersection and that there was no traffic. I then made my turn on red in what can only be termed a safe and prudent manner, just like the law says.

  I pleaded my case with the Magistrate. He then proved that Florida only had placed these cameras for enhanced safety of the public by saying "Guilty. You did not operate your vehicle in a safe and prudent manner for there COULD have been a car making u-turn, the fine is $264 plus court costs. Pay the clerk.". WTF Honorable Florida Magistrate?! THERE WAS NO CAR MAKING U-TURN. WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE THERE WAS VIDEO.

  I was at the court house for a few hours waiting to be called. During that time I must have watched 30 or so others plead not guilty as well, with many using the same defense. In almost every case their video also showed no traffic, but in every case they too were found guilty, despite ...


Welcome to the new world order! No money no rights! I support your rant!
 
2013-09-24 02:22:52 PM

lohphat: Gunderson: It is only a fine if you choose to pay it.

Ah the old "Stop paying your property taxes and see who really owns your house defense."


You can't compare a tax with a "fine" that has no teeth.

In one NY county, people have choose to ignore $8.5 million dollars worth of red light tickets.
 
2013-09-24 04:18:07 PM
For those of you who get shafted by a biased local or county Judge.... Don't forget to appeal to a higher power than him. Usually at the State level or occasionally higher.
Over-ride his shiatty ruling and then try to get him punished via a record review. disclaimer: You will then be a target for his policeman buddies.

/Also the State making an extra fine, resulting in a 'monetary hardship' for disputing a ticket, should be a crime.
//Also not being able to dispute to a Judge, instead of just an Arbitrator, is a crime.
 
2013-09-24 06:12:52 PM

Gunderson: It is only a fine if you choose to pay it.


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//you should have paid the fine!
 
2013-09-24 06:39:10 PM

OBBN: The ticket was issued to me for making a right turn on red without coming to a complete stop. That is good and all EXCEPT the law in Florida allows a right hand turn in red "providing it is safe and prudent to do so".


From Florida Statutes 316.075(1):

(c)Steady red indication.-
1.Vehicular traffic facing a steady red signal shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until a green indication is shown; however:

a.The driver of a vehicle which is stopped at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or, if none then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection in obedience to a steady red signal may make a right turn, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and other traffic proceeding as directed by the signal at the intersection, except that municipal and county authorities may prohibit any such right turn against a steady red signal at any intersection, which prohibition shall be effective when a sign giving notice thereof is erected in a location visible to traffic approaching the intersection.


So yes, FL state law says you're welcome to make a right on red, but you DO have to come to a complete stop first.  Neither the word "safe" nor "prudent" is anywhere to be found in the entirety of F.S. 316.075.
 
2013-09-24 09:40:12 PM

Gunderson: lohphat: Gunderson: It is only a fine if you choose to pay it.

Ah the old "Stop paying your property taxes and see who really owns your house defense."

You can't compare a tax with a "fine" that has no teeth.

In one NY county, people have choose to ignore $8.5 million dollars worth of red light tickets.


Source?
 
2013-09-25 12:15:09 AM
 
2013-09-25 05:41:41 AM
Buy a paint gun and shoot at the lenses of the cameras. Then they can't capture the plate numbers
 
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