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(America's Cup)   You probably haven't noticed, but on San Francisco Bay; one of the greatest comebacks in sports history may be completed on Wednesday   (americascup.com) divider line 58
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2013-09-24 02:59:39 AM  
Oh I noticed. i just couldn't be bothered to put down my drink. no sense in wasting good booze

/gin and tonic if you must know
 
2013-09-24 03:53:47 AM  
That is not a sport.

Now if they sold those stupid boats, got a couple pirate ships, and had 1690's style naval battles with rubber bullets and rebated cutlasses, I'd be all over that.
 
2013-09-24 04:57:39 AM  
For God's sake, subby, yacht racing?
 
2013-09-24 09:05:05 AM  
I lost interest in Am cup once they allowed catamarans. Single hull boats were better, requiring more sailing skill.
 
2013-09-24 09:39:37 AM  
To be considered a sport, human muscle must be the primary motive power.
 
2013-09-24 09:48:40 AM  
I care about this about as much as I care about John Kerry windsurfing.  Unless there is a major accident with sharks and blood, the farking rich can participate without me.
 
2013-09-24 09:50:14 AM  
Yeah, the America's Cup jumped the shark after 1987 as an event.  What they're doing now isn't sailing or even really racing; it's really expensive, glorified hydrofoiling by a bunch of guys hired by some really rich pricks.
 
2013-09-24 09:54:38 AM  
You're absolutely right, subby: I didn't notice
 
2013-09-24 09:57:57 AM  
Can someone enlighten me about the penalty the US received? They were found to be practicing with improper ballast, and therefore received a 2 point deduction. Why is it such a problem to be practicing? As long as they raced with the correct setup, isn't that what matters?
 
2013-09-24 10:24:55 AM  

mactheknife: Yeah, the America's Cup jumped the shark after 1987 as an event.  What they're doing now isn't sailing or even really racing; it's really expensive, glorified hydrofoiling by a bunch of guys hired by some really rich pricks.



That pretty much sums up the whole thing. We can close the thread now.
 
2013-09-24 10:29:48 AM  
They still need to win 3 in a row to complete the comeback, right? Wake me up when it's tied. Then I'll ignore the final race too, but at least I'll do it with full knowledge.
 
2013-09-24 10:37:10 AM  
Didn't notice; don't care.

Remember ESPN in its infancy making such a big deal about this before they got MLB, NCAA, NFL etc. rights?  I wonder when it was last mentioned on SportsCenter
 
2013-09-24 10:37:34 AM  
It's easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile when his shorts are too tight in the seat.

/Spalding get your foot off the boat
 
2013-09-24 10:52:46 AM  
I can take two steps out of my apartment and watch these races up close and personal.  I don't, because boating sucks, and I'm rooting for New Zealand because Larry Ellison also sucks.
 
2013-09-24 10:53:37 AM  

I_C_Weener: I care about this about as much as I care about John Kerry windsurfing.  Unless there is a major accident with sharks and blood, the farking rich can participate without me.


Well those gigantic catamarans killed at Olympic gold medalist Andrew Simpson.  Of course that happened in trials so it's long forgotten...
 
2013-09-24 10:54:14 AM  

HeathenHealer: It's easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile when his shorts are too tight in the seat.

/Spalding get your foot off the boat


But my asthma!
 
2013-09-24 11:08:15 AM  
I've been watching some of it, and it is awesome seeing them raise up on the foils.
 
2013-09-24 11:09:41 AM  

The Smails Kid: HeathenHealer: It's easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile when his shorts are too tight in the seat.

/Spalding get your foot off the boat

But my asthma!


You'll get nothing and like it!
 
2013-09-24 11:12:17 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I lost interest in Am cup once they allowed catamarans. Single hull boats were better, requiring more sailing skill.


I don't know about that. Those boats look pretty damn hard to sail. And they're pretty cool to watch, IMO.

mactheknife: Yeah, the America's Cup jumped the shark after 1987 as an event.  What they're doing now isn't sailing or even really racing; it's really expensive, glorified hydrofoiling by a bunch of guys hired by some really rich pricks.


All sports is really is a bunch of guys hired by some really rich pricks competing with each other.
 
2013-09-24 11:37:30 AM  
I saw the first race on TV and the kiwis kicked Oracles ass. What happed to change things?
 
2013-09-24 11:43:45 AM  

HeathenHealer: The Smails Kid: HeathenHealer: It's easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile when his shorts are too tight in the seat.

/Spalding get your foot off the boat

But my asthma!

You'll get nothing and like it!


I felt I owed it to them
 
2013-09-24 11:44:44 AM  

Wellon Dowd: To be considered a sport, human muscle must be the primary motive power.


NASCAR's still real to me dammit!

/not really...
 
2013-09-24 11:45:04 AM  

Why Would I Read the Article: I can take two steps out of my apartment and watch these races up close and personal.  I don't, because boating sucks, and I'm rooting for New Zealand because Larry Ellison also sucks.


So much this.


"The plan was to start to leeward of Oracle and they did a nice job of getting us compressed to the leeward end," said Ray Davies, Emirates Team New Zealand tactician.

That sounds pretty Kinky.
 
2013-09-24 12:00:08 PM  

mikaloyd: I saw the first race on TV and the kiwis kicked Oracles ass. What happed to change things?


A bunch of small stuff: personnel changes, mechanical changes below the waterline, and some technique changes.  Oracle was getting dominated on the upwind leg until they figured out how to tack without burying their bows.

The main thing though is that the AC72 class rules are brand new.  No one has ever match-raced 72 foot wing-sailed hydrofoiling catamarans before and the teams are just now getting the boats figured out.  Two weeks ago at the start of the races, neither boat was foiling upwind.  Now both are.

My $0.02 (as someone who initially wanted to see monohulls dragrace to the Farralons and back): this is the best AC ever.
 
2013-09-24 12:08:56 PM  

Wellon Dowd: To be considered a sport, human muscle must be the primary motive power.


What about downhill ski racing? Gravity is the main motive power (or, depending on your physics prowess, the chair lift). Same goes for luge, bobsled, white water kayaking, and ski jumping.
 
2013-09-24 12:13:54 PM  

desertgeek: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I lost interest in Am cup once they allowed catamarans. Single hull boats were better, requiring more sailing skill.

I don't know about that. Those boats look pretty damn hard to sail. And they're pretty cool to watch, IMO.

mactheknife: Yeah, the America's Cup jumped the shark after 1987 as an event.  What they're doing now isn't sailing or even really racing; it's really expensive, glorified hydrofoiling by a bunch of guys hired by some really rich pricks.

All sports is really is a bunch of guys hired by some really rich pricks competing with each other.


Golf
 
2013-09-24 12:39:57 PM  

I_C_Weener: Unless there is a major accident with sharks and blood, the farking rich can participate without me.


Unlike the NFL and MLB, which is all poor people, right?

/not watching boats either
 
2013-09-24 01:11:01 PM  

Wellon Dowd: To be considered a sport, human muscle must be the primary motive power.


One minor quibble with that: there's a bit of human power going on for hydraulics on the boat. When they fail, this can happen.
 
2013-09-24 01:28:01 PM  
a tie counts as a completed comeback?  oracle can't win it today, only the kiwis
 
2013-09-24 01:41:30 PM  
They should be required to drink beer.
Like a real race.
 
2013-09-24 02:10:27 PM  
Because Larry Ellison and Oracle represent the US (admittedly with a Brit skipper and only a single US crew member), I'm all Kiwi, all the way.

/Miss the 12M yachts desperately. If NZ wins, I doubt they'll pick these same boats for the next time
 
2013-09-24 02:35:47 PM  

SomeoneDumb: If NZ wins, I doubt they'll pick these same boats for the next time


Grant Dalton is already on record as saying that they'll tweak the rule to cut some of the cost out, to allow more teams to participate.

I doubt there will be a return to the glory days of monohulls, though.  The foiling multihulls are here to stay.  Now that everyone is used to 40+ kt  boatspeed, there isn't any going back.

Where they can save a sh*tload of cash is in the rig.  If the Kiwis win, look for a return to mast and sail for the next class rule.  Without the wing the boats won't be quite as fast but still should be able to foil.
 
2013-09-24 03:31:10 PM  

IoSaturnalia: SomeoneDumb: If NZ wins, I doubt they'll pick these same boats for the next time

Grant Dalton is already on record as saying that they'll tweak the rule to cut some of the cost out, to allow more teams to participate.

I doubt there will be a return to the glory days of monohulls, though.  The foiling multihulls are here to stay.  Now that everyone is used to 40+ kt  boatspeed, there isn't any going back.

Where they can save a sh*tload of cash is in the rig.  If the Kiwis win, look for a return to mast and sail for the next class rule.  Without the wing the boats won't be quite as fast but still should be able to foil.


That would be a bit better. I have to admit seeing these fly at high speed is exciting (as far as yacht racing goes), but I'm old and do miss watching the different sails get hoisted up and down.
 
2013-09-24 03:34:13 PM  

IoSaturnalia: SomeoneDumb: If NZ wins, I doubt they'll pick these same boats for the next time

Grant Dalton is already on record as saying that they'll tweak the rule to cut some of the cost out, to allow more teams to participate.

I doubt there will be a return to the glory days of monohulls, though.  The foiling multihulls are here to stay.  Now that everyone is used to 40+ kt  boatspeed, there isn't any going back.

Where they can save a sh*tload of cash is in the rig.  If the Kiwis win, look for a return to mast and sail for the next class rule.  Without the wing the boats won't be quite as fast but still should be able to foil.


Maybe they should consider a smaller wing. Cut the size by 10-15% so that they won't be as fast and they could race in higher winds. To me, safety should be the 1st concern followed by cost.

/Plus I think everyone likes being able to race so close to shore, which would be impossible in monohulls
 
2013-09-24 03:38:36 PM  
Does this mean I can submit headlines about lawnmower races and foosball on the FARK Sports tab now?
 
2013-09-24 04:06:00 PM  

Argyle82: Does this mean I can submit headlines about lawnmower races and foosball on the FARK Sports tab now?


Well, pro wrestling makes it here, doesn't it?
 
2013-09-24 04:51:18 PM  
As an American with a Kiwi wife, this comeback has been extremely entertaining at home. "So, who won today, sweetheart?" "SHUUUUUT UPPPPPPPP!"
 
2013-09-24 05:31:37 PM  

ISO15693: As an American with a Kiwi wife, this comeback has been extremely entertaining at home. "So, who won today, sweetheart?" "SHUUUUUT UPPPPPPPP!"


Well, you might get the same treatment today. Oracle won Race 17 and they're leading big right now in Race 18 after overtaking the Kiwis upwind.
 
2013-09-24 05:41:29 PM  
If you ever get the chance to do  This
Do it.
I wasn't a big yacht racing fan, but this touristy trip is awesome on so many levels.
 
2013-09-24 05:43:40 PM  

desertgeek: Wellon Dowd: To be considered a sport, human muscle must be the primary motive power.

One minor quibble with that: there's a bit of human power going on for hydraulics on the boat. When they fail, this can happen.


Pffft.  In the olden days, your boat could be  turned into a banana.
 
2013-09-24 05:47:57 PM  
And it's all due e prototypical American sports legend, Sir Charles Benedict Ainslie, Commander of the British Empire
 
2013-09-24 05:53:39 PM  
www.emergencymedicaled.com

How do you blow an 8-2 lead?
 
2013-09-24 05:58:36 PM  

ISO15693: As an American with a Kiwi wife, this comeback has been extremely entertaining at home. "So, who won today, sweetheart?" "SHUUUUUT UPPPPPPPP!"


Best be careful today.  Kiwis got totally blown out.  Had the lead after two marks and just gave it up. And even tacked away further after they lost the lead, which makes no sense.
 
2013-09-24 06:06:40 PM  

Kann: If you ever get the chance to do  This
Do it.
I wasn't a big yacht racing fan, but this touristy trip is awesome on so many levels.


Last time I visited San Diego, they had 2 older AC boats "racing" each other in San Diego Bay. It was a tourist thing like the link you posted. If I had the money, I'd definitely want to check that out.

/I might have a picture of that on my computer at home
//If so, I'll post it here later tonight.
 
2013-09-24 06:28:34 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: ISO15693: As an American with a Kiwi wife, this comeback has been extremely entertaining at home. "So, who won today, sweetheart?" "SHUUUUUT UPPPPPPPP!"

Best be careful today.  Kiwis got totally blown out.  Had the lead after two marks and just gave it up. And even tacked away further after they lost the lead, which makes no sense.


Without seeing the racing yet (I'll watch the full replay on Youtube later), it sounds to me like the Kiwis have absolutely no damn clue what to do. They're beyond demoralized at this point.
 
2013-09-24 06:39:40 PM  

desertgeek: Lt. Cheese Weasel: ISO15693: As an American with a Kiwi wife, this comeback has been extremely entertaining at home. "So, who won today, sweetheart?" "SHUUUUUT UPPPPPPPP!"

Best be careful today.  Kiwis got totally blown out.  Had the lead after two marks and just gave it up. And even tacked away further after they lost the lead, which makes no sense.

Without seeing the racing yet (I'll watch the full replay on Youtube later), it sounds to me like the Kiwis have absolutely no damn clue what to do. They're beyond demoralized at this point.


Which is odd as they were the first boat to get upwind foiling working.  Now, they look like they're sailing in mud and Oracle is pasteing them up and down wind.
 
2013-09-24 07:59:18 PM  
The foiling cats are AWESOME... exactly what should be contesting the world's premiere match race.   Huge daggers knifing through the water at 50 mph... breathtaking.


Sure, they're not like anything else on the water, but a Formula One racecar doesn't look like your dad's Buick, either.
 
2013-09-24 08:14:02 PM  
I watched today's races from the Golden Gate Yacht Club, so I'm getting a kick out of these comments.
 
2013-09-24 08:18:02 PM  

BigNumber12: I watched today's races from the Golden Gate Yacht Club, so I'm getting a kick out of these comments.


And I'm officially a little bit more than slightly jealous of you now.

How was it there? How crazy was it in there when Oracle pulled ahead of NZL in the 2nd race?
 
2013-09-24 08:28:09 PM  

desertgeek: BigNumber12: I watched today's races from the Golden Gate Yacht Club, so I'm getting a kick out of these comments.

And I'm officially a little bit more than slightly jealous of you now.

How was it there? How crazy was it in there when Oracle pulled ahead of NZL in the 2nd race?


For being Yacht Club Folks, they were very enthusiastic. Lots of people who were immediately connected to the venture, so lots of holding-each-other-in-suspense, and corresponding celebration when things went well.

Also, America Pants:

i158.photobucket.com
 
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