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(Washington Post)   Now that Ted Cruz has promised to filibuster the budget bill, it has become physically impossible, according to the rules of the Senate and the law of time and space, for us to avoid a shutdown unless the House GOP caves, like, right now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 345
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2013-09-23 10:09:17 PM

SevenizGud: WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


Remind me again, which is the "Family Values" party?
 
2013-09-23 10:10:44 PM
He is completely crazy.
 
2013-09-23 10:13:29 PM
We TOLD you to end the goddamned filibuster, Reid. Again and again. Did you listen?

It's a Denial of Service attack on the nation.
 
2013-09-23 10:13:46 PM

Crazy Lee: Crazy Lee: TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?

For your searching pleasure:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hjres117pcs/pdf/BILLS-112hjres1 1 7pcs.pdf

/loves me the digital age! (used to have to wait up to a month to get hard copy of already `signed' legislation)
//lawn, etc.

Fark google to GPO (and the lawn :(  - yeah, I'll be turning myself over to the thermal depolymerization plant RSN for recycling):

correct link:   http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c113:131:./temp/~c113qifcN7:


Not much call to link this stuff (just like to read it)  try again:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hjres59eh/pdf/BILLS-113hjres59e h .pdf

/turn off cache and preview, idiot
 
2013-09-23 10:14:15 PM

KeatingFive: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

What exactly is bad about it? Other than you don't want to take personal responsibility for your own health insurance?


I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.
 
2013-09-23 10:15:59 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: I'd love to know how, as a nation, we got to a place where ONE industry has so much clout that the national government is legislating that unimaginable wealth be directed to it by all citizens.
Fark that.


I really hope this entire debate is simply the death throes of the for-profit health insurance industry... so we can move onto single payer like the rest of the civilized world.


Dimensio: His effort is at least better than in SevenizGud's, which is firetruck/potato.


I have  SevenizGud farkied as "Bumper-Sticker Gospel." Can't remember where I came up with it, but it works well.
 
2013-09-23 10:22:10 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.
 
2013-09-23 10:23:40 PM

PanicMan: twat_waffle: raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.

I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...

That song makes me so happy.


I was going to use that as my phone ringtone, but decided that I was better off going with Raffi's "Bananaphone", because my mother has delicate sensibilities and I would hate to get one of her looks if my phone rang while I was spending time with her.

/now my ringtone is the sound of a 56k dial-up modem
//my mom hates it, but it wakes me up if I get a call while asleep
///she would hate that song more
 
2013-09-23 10:26:44 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.


You'd think so. In a sane world.
 
2013-09-23 10:31:40 PM

badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.


The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.
 
2013-09-23 10:33:27 PM
Spoiler alert: politics don't matter, they are going to do what they want anyway. Get another hobby.
 
2013-09-23 10:36:29 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.

You'd think so. In a sane world.


Instead of thinking that world is crazy, did you ever entertain the thought that maybe the law isn't anywhere near as bad as you've been led to believe?
 
2013-09-23 10:36:35 PM
badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.


You'd think so. In a sane world.


sanity is relative. Maybe you should be questioning your perspective

/that'd be sane, but we're not holding our breaths, which, coincidentally, is about the only health care legislation the right has proposed.
 
2013-09-23 10:37:10 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.


The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.
 
2013-09-23 10:38:05 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


You almost had it perfect.  Needed more Dickens:

"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
 
2013-09-23 10:38:44 PM

badhatharry: Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


Really?  You think that in the entire history of America, when weighed against things like the Fugitive Slave Act, the Alien and Sedition Acts, the Indian Removal Act, the Espionage Act, and the Volstead Act - that saying "Hey guys, how about you buy some insurance so you can afford to get sick?  And if you don't want to, that's fine too - we won't force you, but we will dock you tax refund since inevitably the rest of us will pay for some part of your health care."

And those are just the actually bad laws.  I'm sure many a right-wing troll would have a hard time deciding whether the PPACA is worse than the 16th, 17th, 19th or 24th Amendments.
 
2013-09-23 10:40:22 PM
Reading these threads, I thought of the British law (that I'm assured, by someone comparatively sober, exists) against putting ferrets down your trousers for the purposes of wagering.  Specifically, the people freaking out that ACA is somehow the end of the world remind me of the individuals that inspired the British ferret law.

Cheers.
 
2013-09-23 10:42:12 PM

Heliovdrake: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Who is Bob?


Bob Guccione.  Former publisher of Penthouse magazine.
 
2013-09-23 10:43:00 PM
Karac:

(...)

And those are just the actually bad laws.  I'm sure many a right-wing troll would have a hard time deciding whether the PPACA is worse than the 16th, 17th, 19th or 24th Amendments.


Wouldn't THAT be a hoot? Propose conservatives can repeal any one law or amendment they want, so long as everyone agrees on which one? POPCORN! and we could get stuff done while they fought to the death over it.

Best part? Forever.
 
2013-09-23 10:43:03 PM

badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.


So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?
 
2013-09-23 10:43:50 PM

flondrix: SevenizGud: WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.

Remind me again, which is the "Family Values" party?


It's a troll/sarcasm.  Poe's law applied up until the "cesspool of shiatty genes," since that's too scientific and too direct for a righty.  The line would be something like, "if you can only muster $1k then you clearly aren't spending enough time working for a living and shouldn't be wasting time and money sleeping around in the first place."

Of course these are the same people opposed to sex education and birth control, because while they are not-so-secretly eugenicists who believe in the divine right of kingssocial darwinism their answer to the problem of too many mouths to feed is to demand that for the first time in history EVER people just stop having sex.
 
2013-09-23 10:48:01 PM

badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.


The government does have the power to force you to buy something.  At least, it does assuming you're a free able-bodied white male citizen, in which case you were required to purchase a musket, bayonet, and various other military equipment.  And that law was written by the second session of Congress, and signed by George Washington.  But I'm sure none of them had any inkling of what the Founding Fathers intended for this country.
 
2013-09-23 10:50:03 PM

Aristocles: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.


Damn dude, that Battery Operated Boyfriend of yours is getting an epic amount of use.
 
2013-09-23 10:51:40 PM

Karac: badhatharry: Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Really?  You think that in the entire history of America, when weighed against things like the Fugitive Slave Act, the Alien and Sedition Acts, the Indian Removal Act, the Espionage Act, and the Volstead Act - that saying "Hey guys, how about you buy some insurance so you can afford to get sick?  And if you don't want to, that's fine too - we won't force you, but we will dock you tax refund since inevitably the rest of us will pay for some part of your health care."

And those are just the actually bad laws.  I'm sure many a right-wing troll would have a hard time deciding whether the PPACA is worse than the 16th, 17th, 19th or 24th Amendments.


Executive Order #9066 of 1942 was unhelpful and unnecessary.
 
2013-09-23 10:52:40 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.

So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?


That would at least actually lower the cost. I would prefer a public option. With states and localities in charge of it, like education.
 
2013-09-23 10:53:24 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.


It would seem to me that the GOP should just let the law go into effect next week. If the Affordable Care Act is as bad as the Republicans say it is (although the Republican Heritage Foundation came up with the idea in the first place, maybe they were wrong) when a vast majority of voters hate it after trying it, it would be a cinch to repeal ACA and come up with something more favorable. Why bother shutting down pay checks for old folks on Social Security and soldiers in Afghanistan now? Republicans stink.
 
2013-09-23 10:56:21 PM
The GOP will cave. Only need 2 dozen Rs in the House after the filibuster falls short and the continuing resolution succeeds.

They have the debt ceiling battle to wage still.
 
2013-09-23 10:56:23 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.

So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?

That would at least actually lower the cost. I would prefer a public option. With states and localities in charge of it, like education.


Well, i didn't expect you to say that. Thankfully, that's a direction things  could go in, after the ACA has been around a few years. Going backwards.. that is what will not happen.

always nice to be surprised.
 
2013-09-23 10:59:45 PM
When is the actual cloture vote attempt supposed to occur?
 
2013-09-23 10:59:56 PM

mpirooz: The GOP will cave. Only need 2 dozen Rs in the House after the filibuster falls short and the continuing resolution succeeds.

They have the debt ceiling battle to wage still.


That's what Boehner is lining up his ducks for. It's worse.
 
2013-09-23 11:02:09 PM

clkeagle: Dimensio: His effort is at least better than in SevenizGud's, which is firetruck/potato.

I have  SevenizGud farkied as "Bumper-Sticker Gospel." Can't remember where I came up with it, but it works well.


I just have him as WAAAAAHHHH!!!!!
 
2013-09-23 11:09:02 PM
Oh noez....we have a shut down for a few days!.... Fark off. This is complete bullshiat and I hate both farming sides. I'm pretty sure a lot of people feel the same........
 
2013-09-23 11:09:57 PM

Dimensio: When is the actual cloture vote attempt supposed to occur?


Two calendar days after the petition is given to the clerk. No cloture petition has been presented yet, AFAIK. So its unanimous consent to get to an up-or-down vote, or there's a shutdown.
 
2013-09-23 11:11:26 PM

Karac: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government does have the power to force you to buy something.  At least, it does assuming you're a free able-bodied white male citizen, in which case you were required to purchase a musket, bayonet, and various other military equipment.  And that law was written by the second session of Congress, and signed by George Washington.  But I'm sure none of them had any inkling of what the Founding Fathers intended for this country.


Psssh, you and your stories.  I doubt these, "founding fathers" of yours have any BIBLICAL evidence of even existing.

I'd continue with the creationist troll but it is late and I am tired.  Pretend it was marvelously funny.

PS I'm generally opposed to being forced to buy something if the government doesn't offer a baseline competitor, i.e. a "public option."  I'm also opposed to buying a gun, but that's just because I live a life that's privileged enough owning one would decrease my overall safety (i.e. "I am more likely to get shot by the gun in an accident than be in a situation where the gun would save me.")  But that's just my life, no bearing on others'.
 
2013-09-23 11:12:09 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.

So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?

That would at least actually lower the cost. I would prefer a public option. With states and localities in charge of it, like education.


So, it's safe to say that, given the undeniable fact that single-payer/public option had no chance of passing, that you are saying the status quo was better than the ACA? That's basically what you are saying, right?
 
2013-09-23 11:12:15 PM
The exchanges will open October 1, and open enrollment will happen (in the states that are onboard with the exchanges), whether or not there is a shutdown, and whether or not Obamacare is "defunded". Deal with it, teabaggers.
 
2013-09-23 11:20:26 PM
This will be interesting.
 
2013-09-23 11:22:43 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.


twat_waffle: raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.

I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...


ct.fra.bz
 
2013-09-23 11:24:09 PM

Aristocles: Karac: Aristocles: That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we YOU can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.


God, how the current crop makes me wish for the days of old; when Bevets would put in real effort, sourcing and citing cherry-picked quotes; when winterwhile would show up with his half-ounce of artistic, if bad, talent.

The new schmucks can't even figure out to to quote-mine.

So you're telling me I got ONE word wrong? And said word doesn't really change the sense of the quote?

Well, I must say, this calls for an ohsnap.jpg Well done, sir.


I don't know what you are smoking, but that one word completely changes the sense of the quote.
It no longer implies that "we" (the government) does not know what is in the bill.

\Also, who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 11:24:11 PM

IlGreven: The exchanges will open October 1, and open enrollment will happen (in the states that are onboard with the exchanges), whether or not there is a shutdown, and whether or not Obamacare is "defunded". Deal with it, teabaggers.


So, we could end up with Obamacare mandatory but not funded.
 
2013-09-23 11:28:14 PM

flondrix: IlGreven: The exchanges will open October 1, and open enrollment will happen (in the states that are onboard with the exchanges), whether or not there is a shutdown, and whether or not Obamacare is "defunded". Deal with it, teabaggers.

So, we could end up with Obamacare mandatory but not funded.


As has been noted by multiple analysts, very little -- if any -- of the Affordable Care Act would be impacted by a federal government shutdown.
 
2013-09-23 11:36:13 PM
When is the government shutdown scheduled, if it does happen?
 
2013-09-23 11:41:53 PM

Aristocles: falcon176: is it lib in here or is it just everybody

It ain't everyone... I'm smackin down Farklib propagand left an right, but I'll save some for you should you care to partake.


It's cute you think that, but you haven't been factually correct since your initial login. You're like the retarded puppy who everyone just pats on the head when it shiats all over the floor.
 
2013-09-23 11:43:03 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.

That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.

/Remember that stupid gavel.


I tend to lurk far more than I post. At first I thought your schtick had some humor potential, but it's just so over-the-top infromed that I cannot in good conscience bother myself with your tripe anymore.

Coming from someone who still reads queso and deep thoughts, lemme say "plonk."

Also, I've noticed that I don't see any Hope 'n Change comics in the threads where you unload your bowels.
 
2013-09-23 11:43:54 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

I'd love to know how, as a nation, we got to a place where ONE industry has so much clout that the national government is legislating that unimaginable wealth be directed to it by all citizens.
Fark that.


I'm not a fan of the individual mandate specifically because it forces us to support for-profit corporations.  However, it's necessary to make the rest of the law work.

Now, the ACA is overcomplicated, but that's the nature of any bipartisan legislation.  The GOP wanted certain things, the Democrats wanted certain things, so the whole thing is the result of compromise and tit-for-tat.

Even as overcomplicated as it is, and with the messy individual mandate situation, it's a hell of a lot better than what we had before.  If the GOP were to come up with a plan that kept the good parts but made it simpler and didn't put our money directly into the hands of corporations, I'd certainly listen, but they don't have another viable plan, they're just out to get rid of this one.

Obama should have just expanded Medicare for everyone and funded it through tax increases when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress after he took office.  Instead he decided to play the nice guy and actually tried to work with the GOP, who took full advantage of his naiveté at the time.

We should have universal single payer.  If repealing the ACA would get it, I'd be all for it, but it won't, it will just give us our old shiatty system back.
 
2013-09-23 11:44:41 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


It will be the rest of the world laughing at the United States.
 
2013-09-23 11:44:53 PM

Testiclaw: When is the government shutdown scheduled, if it does happen?


...read the first sentence of TFA...
 
2013-09-23 11:46:04 PM
I don't really understand how the process works, but what if the whole thing is a ruse? Cruz already said it was a doomed undertaking. But now he's going to support what he just said was pointless? What if he said he was going to filibuster, and so nobody else has to get ready to filibuster it(whatever preperations there are, I seem to recall something about reading from the phonebook). Then, when it's time he simply says something, probably some bs he thinks will play well in the media and just doesn't do the filibuster.
 
2013-09-23 11:47:06 PM

Testiclaw: When is the government shutdown scheduled, if it does happen?


Funding for current government functions ends as of October 1. If continued funding is not authorized, the federal government will "shut down" on that date.
 
2013-09-23 11:49:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?


And Keystone pipeline
 
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