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(Washington Post)   Now that Ted Cruz has promised to filibuster the budget bill, it has become physically impossible, according to the rules of the Senate and the law of time and space, for us to avoid a shutdown unless the House GOP caves, like, right now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 345
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2013-09-23 09:04:30 PM

max_pooper: Or in the actual real world where real life Republicans in the audience at a GOP primary debate erupted in a round of applause when Ron Paul said a person who could not afford health insurance should be left to die.


To be fair, Ron Paul carefully didn't actually say that--he only said that the government should not be responsible for people who chose not to get health insurance.  It wasn't until the moderator asked if his stance meant people should be left to die that the audience erupted in a round of applause.

He may be an idiot, but he's not so dumb as to openly admit that he'd let people die for his policies.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:38 PM
It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:41 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: You deliberately presented cherry-picked data to support a demonstrably dishonest conclusion

I showed the last 15 years to show no warming in the last 15 years, which, by the way, was already admitted by Von Storch and Phil Jones and every climatologist on the planet. There has been no warming in 15 years, so tough shiat, Chicken Little. Cry about it.


You presented a graph which others showed to have been cherry picked to support a dishonest conclusion.

You lied. You are a liar.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:53 PM

SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.


I'd love to know how, as a nation, we got to a place where ONE industry has so much clout that the national government is legislating that unimaginable wealth be directed to it by all citizens.
Fark that.
 
2013-09-23 09:05:13 PM

Mithiwithi: Democrats do, to be sure, want to make sure that people who get millions of dollars of money they didn't earn pay fair taxes on it.


The democrat dream...for people to work hard and play by the rules, and when they die, provide to leave the government better off than when they found it.
 
2013-09-23 09:05:28 PM

anfrind: max_pooper: Or in the actual real world where real life Republicans in the audience at a GOP primary debate erupted in a round of applause when Ron Paul said a person who could not afford health insurance should be left to die.

To be fair, Ron Paul carefully didn't actually say that--he only said that the government should not be responsible for people who chose not to get health insurance.  It wasn't until the moderator asked if his stance meant people should be left to die that the audience erupted in a round of applause.

He may be an idiot, but he's not so dumb as to openly admit that he'd let people die for his policies.


Point taken.
 
2013-09-23 09:06:25 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


Sounds like a final solution.
 
2013-09-23 09:07:13 PM

Dimensio: You lied. You are a liar.


Nothing says "liar" like posting the HADCRUT data verbatim.
 
2013-09-23 09:08:17 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: You lied. You are a liar.

Nothing says "liar" like posting the HADCRUT data verbatim.


Take this shiat out of here and stop the thread jacking.
Get a room youze dopes.
 
2013-09-23 09:08:23 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: You lied. You are a liar.

Nothing says "liar" like posting the HADCRUT data verbatim.


Your data was exposed as being "cherry picked", and the complete data contradicted your implication. You lied. You are a liar.
 
2013-09-23 09:12:21 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


100k is far from guaranteed to be enough to deal with cancer. But anyway, there's a reason that Republicans aren't yelling what you posted off the mountaintops, and that's because they don't believe you or are too chickenshiat to admit they do.
 
2013-09-23 09:12:46 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


-50/10 (yes. So bad that you OWE points)
 
2013-09-23 09:12:54 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


Remember, folks!

Moderators have ruled that this is just blatant differencing of opinion!  It can be in no way considered trolling, as fark doesn't allow trolling.

Isn't it nice to be on a website which doesn't restrict blatant and open differencing of opinion?
 
2013-09-23 09:15:04 PM

Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.


I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.
 
2013-09-23 09:15:52 PM

TV's Vinnie: vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.

-50/10 (yes. So bad that you OWE points)


His effort is at least better than in SevenizGud's, which is firetruck/potato.
 
2013-09-23 09:16:11 PM

SevenizGud: Mithiwithi: Democrats do, to be sure, want to make sure that people who get millions of dollars of money they didn't earn pay fair taxes on it.

The democrat dream...for people to work hard and play by the rules, and when they die, provide to leave the government better off than when they found it.


So you're of the opinion that if I win $50 million in the lottery, I shouldn't have to pay a dime in taxes on it. Got it.
 
2013-09-23 09:18:28 PM
 

Aristocles: Corvus: Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,

You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


I think I'm going to write a greasemonkey script that replaces "Bob" in all of your posts with "that attractive and successful african american I hate for being black".  It should bump up the sincerity level of your posts immeasurably.

/Anyone else want in on this?
 
2013-09-23 09:21:15 PM

Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.



i159.photobucket.com

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...
 
2013-09-23 09:22:48 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...


That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.
 
2013-09-23 09:26:28 PM

Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.


Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?
 
2013-09-23 09:28:24 PM

max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?


Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?
 
2013-09-23 09:29:46 PM

Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?

Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?


Neither.
 
2013-09-23 09:31:49 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?


For your searching pleasure:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hjres117pcs/pdf/BILLS-112hjres1 1 7pcs.pdf

/loves me the digital age! (used to have to wait up to a month to get hard copy of already `signed' legislation)
//lawn, etc.
 
2013-09-23 09:33:29 PM

max_pooper: Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?

Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?

Neither.


Impossible. Sarah Palin assured me that the law establishes these panels. A spokesman for her even cited Section 1233 of HR3200!
 
2013-09-23 09:34:37 PM
its good to watch the birth of a "meme"

it won't be "BOB"  - it will be "who is BOB?" and a farkism for - well - failed memes
 
2013-09-23 09:34:51 PM

Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.


The should probably dispatch some f-16s from Italy.
 
2013-09-23 09:35:13 PM

raerae1980: I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book". It's elementary.


Maybe Drew replaced the paid shills with server-side scripts.
 
2013-09-23 09:36:52 PM
wemovetogether.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-23 09:37:11 PM
So, do polls showing dissatisfaction with Obamacare take into account that some dissatisfied  people want to repeal and replace Obamacare with something even more socialist, like, single-payer?  And that these more socialist people would not support Republicans plans to throw us back to the wolves? This might explain why there does not seem to be much support for defunding Obamacare.
 
2013-09-23 09:37:52 PM
Look at all this difference of opinion and totally not trolling!
 
2013-09-23 09:40:39 PM
This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)
 
2013-09-23 09:41:10 PM

LordJiro: SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.

So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?


Duh. Do you have any idea how cheap healthcare will be when the sick are dead???
 
2013-09-23 09:43:36 PM

raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.


I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...
 
2013-09-23 09:44:04 PM

Crazy Lee: TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?

For your searching pleasure:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hjres117pcs/pdf/BILLS-112hjres1 1 7pcs.pdf

/loves me the digital age! (used to have to wait up to a month to get hard copy of already `signed' legislation)
//lawn, etc.


Fark google to GPO (and the lawn :(  - yeah, I'll be turning myself over to the thermal depolymerization plant RSN for recycling):

correct link:   http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c113:131:./temp/~c113qifcN7:
 
2013-09-23 09:45:25 PM

Dimensio: Impossible. Sarah Palin assured me that the law establishes these panels. A spokesman for her even cited Section 1233 of HR3200!


It's right underneath the section euthanizing Trig.
 
2013-09-23 09:52:01 PM

badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)


Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?
 
2013-09-23 09:53:17 PM
Why can't they make Cruz actually stand there and speak to filibuster the bill?
 
2013-09-23 09:53:53 PM
It's ironic isn't it, that a junior Senator from Texas, whose claim to be a US citizen is based on hearsay and not official documentation, and whose country of birth does have socialized healthcare for all, is one of the participants in holding the US government hostage?

/don't judge my grammar
//grammar
 
2013-09-23 09:57:33 PM

powhound: It's ironic isn't it, that a junior Senator from Texas, whose claim to be a US citizen is based on hearsay and not official documentation, and whose country of birth does have socialized healthcare for all, is one of the participants in holding the US government hostage?

/don't judge my grammar
//grammar


Senator Rafael Cruz, a Cuban with Canadian citizenship who prefers to be called Ted in honor of the late Ted Kennedy, is a douche.
 
2013-09-23 09:58:33 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?


Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.
 
2013-09-23 09:59:30 PM

Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?

Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?

Neither.

Impossible. Sarah Palin assured me that the law establishes these panels. A spokesman for her even cited Section 1233 of HR3200!


Are talking about page 432?
 
2013-09-23 10:00:41 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


See, you're cranky because you're up past your bedtime. You can have two cookies and a glass of milk and then it's straight off to bed with you.
 
2013-09-23 10:01:10 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


I do hope you're being sarcastic.
 
2013-09-23 10:01:24 PM

twat_waffle: raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.

I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...


That song makes me so happy.
 
2013-09-23 10:02:10 PM
Doesn't the Senate have a procedure for expelling a member?  They have a perfect excuse:  Cruz is a Canadian citizen.
 
2013-09-23 10:02:27 PM

LordJiro: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

I do hope you're being sarcastic.


In think he meant "we have never had a GOP house majority this retarded."
 
2013-09-23 10:02:44 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


What exactly is bad about it? Other than you don't want to take personal responsibility for your own health insurance?
 
2013-09-23 10:04:03 PM

max_pooper: LordJiro: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

I do hope you're being sarcastic.

In think he meant "we have never had a GOP house majority this retarded."


Actually, we have had a house this stupid before. The one Wilson was saddled with at the end of WWI.
 
2013-09-23 10:04:44 PM

flondrix: Doesn't the Senate have a procedure for expelling a member?  They have a perfect excuse:  Cruz is a Canadian citizen.


Unfortunately dual citizenship doesn't bar membership in Congress or else Michelle Bachman would have been bounced long ago.
 
2013-09-23 10:06:45 PM
So, no cloture. Make him filibuster for the next five days. I doubt he'll last 10 hours, but let's take lots of pictures to send to the troops with the caption, "This guy and his party don't want you to have a paycheck."
 
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