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(Washington Post)   Now that Ted Cruz has promised to filibuster the budget bill, it has become physically impossible, according to the rules of the Senate and the law of time and space, for us to avoid a shutdown unless the House GOP caves, like, right now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 345
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2013-09-23 08:03:42 PM
listverse.com
 
2013-09-23 08:04:04 PM

Aristocles: You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


is this what Fox News & Conservatives talk jockeys are still saying?
 
2013-09-23 08:04:35 PM
Personally, I hope the President just ignores this whole process and tells the Treasury and the Fed to continue as normal under the 14th Amendment. Dare them to impeach him (even though blatantly seizing the power of the purse from the legislative branch should be an impeachable offense under normal circumstances).
 
2013-09-23 08:05:08 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.


The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.
 
2013-09-23 08:05:08 PM
Harry Reid may shiat down the Gov't.     Too funny.
 
2013-09-23 08:05:53 PM
Will of the people?

tommytoy.typepad.com

Down with Romneycare! Up with Obamacare!
 
2013-09-23 08:06:14 PM
Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.
 
2013-09-23 08:06:52 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Personally, I hope the President just ignores this whole process and tells the Treasury and the Fed to continue as normal under the 14th Amendment. Dare them to impeach him (even though blatantly seizing the power of the purse from the legislative branch should be an impeachable offense under normal circumstances).


I hate the grab of power by the Executive branch over the last 30 years. I just wish there was an alternative.
 
2013-09-23 08:07:08 PM
Who is Senator Ted Cruz?
Ted is his nickname.
His real name is Senator Rafael Eduardo Cruz.
Rafael was born in Canada, where he is still a citizen.
His father was a Cuban and a member of the Communist party.
Rafael uses the nickname "Ted" so as not to scar the Texas Tea Party rednecks that voted for him... his voters are afraid of "Illegal Mexicans."
One of Cruz's campaign promises was tighter border security!
So, how do you get "Ted" from Rafael?
His middle name is Eduardo... in English we say Edward.
Remember Senator Edward Kennedy?  The drunk one that ran against Carter and Anderson in the 1980 democratic primary?
Anyway, his nickname was Teddy.
So Rafael Edwardo = Ted.
Study it out!
 
2013-09-23 08:07:39 PM
Fark it - make the turdbrain actually stand up and start talking.  Keep him there until he falls over.  No relief.  No breaks.  If he stops, he's done.
 
2013-09-23 08:07:48 PM
Obama needs to go every night on interviews and just repeat:
"The budget bill, passed by the Republicans in the House, is being filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate.  They're filibustering their own bill."
 
2013-09-23 08:07:51 PM

MisterTweak: mediablitz: The Ivy-league educated Canadian born Cuban lawyer is going to become a Tea Party folk hero...


So is this guy:
i224.photobucket.com
But that doesn't make him a goddamn genius. Or ethical.
 
2013-09-23 08:08:07 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976


herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.
 
2013-09-23 08:08:38 PM
cloudfront.mediamatters.org

Thank these racist clowns for our current problems.
 
2013-09-23 08:09:03 PM

twat_waffle: Wouldn't the CR fall under reconciliation, and therefore not be subject to cloture?


Yes, but it would be sent back to the House, which is controlled by bigots and terrorists who would rather have a global economic catastrophe that would make the Great Depression look like an overdraft fee than allow President Obama to have even a Pyrrhic victory. Sen. Cruz wouldn't be able to filibuster it, but Rep. Boner can -- by simply not allowing it to come up for a vote.

And even if the unfilibustered budget reconciliation bill comes up for a vote in the House, there's still the matter of getting the bigots and terrorists to vote for a bill which doesn't give them 100% of everything they want and gives President Obama more than 0% of what he wants.

/I just love the juxtaposition of the words "President" and "Obama." A nice, permanent reminder to the bigots and terrorists that hate him with every fiber of their being that they lost TWICE to a guy named Hussein whose father couldn't legally drink from the same water fountain as them
 
2013-09-23 08:09:29 PM
The Republicans have control of one half of the legislative branch. They deserve to get everything they ask for. This is the senate and Obama's fault for not caving to their demands.
 
2013-09-23 08:09:51 PM

Aristocles: Corvus: Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,

You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


It's true, your honor.
 
2013-09-23 08:09:51 PM

bulldg4life: Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.


this is different from any other day how?
it seems to be a constant stream of shiat, constantly flooding and never receding.
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-09-23 08:12:07 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.


Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?
 
2013-09-23 08:12:07 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.


That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.

/Remember that stupid gavel.
 
2013-09-23 08:13:53 PM

bwilson27: [cloudfront.mediamatters.org image 400x300]

Thank these racist clowns for our current problems.


I prefer to blame the roughly 100,000,000 people who can't be assed to vote and the 22% of those who do vote but intentionally vote to be as destructive as possible purely out of spite.

The only reason those idiots have any sway is because millions sit idle and millions more choose to listen to them.
 
2013-09-23 08:13:58 PM

Markoff_Cheney: bulldg4life: Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.

this is different from any other day how?
it seems to be a constant stream of shiat, constantly flooding and never receding.
[i.chzbgr.com image 400x400]


River of shiat
River of shiat
Flow on, flow on, river of shiat
Right from my toes
On up to my nose
Flow on, flow on, river of shiat
I've been swimming
In this river of shiat
More than 20 years
And I'm getting tired of it
Don't like swimming
Hope it'll run dry
Got to go on swimming
Cause I don't want to die
Spoken:
Oh I can feel another 1000 years
Of the flapjacks of Sorrow! Unless!
Unless we make 2000 A.D.! 2000 A.D.
Our glorious deadline
A glorious deadline to make the
World a better place!
Or else the flapjacks of sorrow
Are going to slide down our throats
Slide down our throats
For another millennium
Of pain and war and oppression
And all our children's children's children's
Children's children children
Shall have to wade and to swim
In the same grim river
In which we now swim
Sing along with us
Sing sing sing sing sing sing sing sing!
-Tuli Kupfenberger
 
2013-09-23 08:13:58 PM

netcentric: Harry Reid may shiat down the Gov't.     Too funny.


Yes, it's Harry Reid's fault the Republicans are throwing a hissy fit because Democrats aren't letting them subvert the rule of law.

If they want to get rid of the ACA, the Republicans can try to repeal it normally...Oh wait, they tried that, and they CAN'T. That's why they're pulling this shiat and trying to circumvent the legislative process by using the debt ceiling to kill a law that makes a Democratic president look good.

They're willing to destroy the global economy because they lost, and they are whiny, spoiled children.
 
2013-09-23 08:14:13 PM
Good.

Of course what will happen is what ALWAYS happens in cases like these...the Democrats will make the GOP its biatch, and the GOP will cave.

Have a farking spine this time GOP. Stick with it.
 
2013-09-23 08:14:15 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


Your troll-fu is weak and you lack discipline .
 
2013-09-23 08:14:21 PM

bulldg4life: Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.


img.fark.net
 
2013-09-23 08:15:16 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.

That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.



You seem to feel that a lot of things are getting rammed down your throat. You say it a lot.
 
2013-09-23 08:15:20 PM

Isitoveryet: Aristocles: You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?

is this what Fox News & Conservatives talk jockeys are still saying?


Ignore lists work so much better yo

I mean, interesting trolls are one thing. But this ass in a hat just spams the same shiat over and over. If fark had moderation he wouldn't even exist anymore.
 

 
2013-09-23 08:16:42 PM

SevenizGud: Good.

Of course what will happen is what ALWAYS happens in cases like these...the Democrats will make the GOP its biatch, and the GOP will cave.

Have a farking spine this time GOP. Stick with it.


Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.
 
2013-09-23 08:16:51 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.

That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.

/Remember that stupid gavel.


Still using that tired old debunked half quote?

Are you ever right about anything? I mean anything? I'll give you credit for knowing the answer to 1+1 if you can muster up the right answer.
 
2013-09-23 08:17:05 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


i50.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-23 08:17:28 PM

MurphyMurphy: Isitoveryet: Aristocles: You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?

is this what Fox News & Conservatives talk jockeys are still saying?

Ignore lists work so much better yo

I mean, interesting trolls are one thing. But this ass in a hat just spams the same shiat over and over. If fark had moderation he wouldn't even exist anymore.


Down feel down, chum. Grab your empty mug and fill her up!
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-23 08:17:52 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?


On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.
 
2013-09-23 08:18:19 PM

abb3w: I suppose it also would technically be possible to avoid if John McCain decides to break Ted Cruz's neck on the floor of the Senate, as that would forcibly punctuate the filibuster. However, that would be a significant breach of the usual Senate decorum.


But the critical question is whether McCain would be legally liable for his actions, since the senate is all sacred and protected and such. Are canings protected speech in the senate?
 
2013-09-23 08:20:17 PM
If a majority of Americans wanted Obamacare defunded...a majority of Americans should've voted in November of 2012 for the political party that would've defunded it.
 
2013-09-23 08:20:37 PM

Aristocles: On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)


Sounds like a population ready to send Obama and Senate Democrats packing in 2010 and 2012.
 
2013-09-23 08:21:47 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.


So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."
 
2013-09-23 08:23:02 PM

LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.


Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.
 
2013-09-23 08:24:11 PM
is it lib in here or is it just everybody
 
2013-09-23 08:24:56 PM

SevenizGud: Good.

Of course what will happen is what ALWAYS happens in cases like these...the Democrats will make the GOP its biatch, and the GOP will cave.

Have a farking spine this time GOP. Stick with it.


Are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the government to shut down, thus damaging the United States economy, or are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the United States of America to default on its financial obligations, thus damaging the global economy?
 
2013-09-23 08:25:28 PM

Elfich: vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.

Try harder.


Coming up with batshiat crazy teabagger shiat is hard when you aren't a batshiat crazy teabagger

parkyplace.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-23 08:25:43 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."


I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defunding," that's your straw man.
 
2013-09-23 08:25:45 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.


If you're fine with letting poor people die then tell Republicans to proclaim it from the rooftops.  Otherwise, it's better for everyone to have skin in the game taking care of each other.
 
2013-09-23 08:26:20 PM
Aristocles: That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we YOU can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.


God, how the current crop makes me wish for the days of old; when Bevets would put in real effort, sourcing and citing cherry-picked quotes; when winterwhile would show up with his half-ounce of artistic, if bad, talent.

The new schmucks can't even figure out to to quote-mine.
 
2013-09-23 08:27:14 PM

jso2897: Down feel down, chum.


do you even english?
 
2013-09-23 08:27:58 PM

falcon176: is it lib in here or is it just everybody


You're just in the minority. If you want to surround your self with retards who think they are somehow a majority, the web site is freerepublic.com or something like that.

www.sabinabecker.com
 
2013-09-23 08:29:14 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.


Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defund

ing," that's your straw man.

Yes, you did say something about 'defunding'.  It's right there before you mentioned ... who?
 
2013-09-23 08:29:18 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defunding," that's your straw man.


So do you stand with the American public when they say, "do not defund Obamacare"?

You seem to believe that the will of the American public is important. Should Republicans go against the will of the American public and fight to defund of Obamacare or should Republicans respect the will of the American public and drop this defunding non-sense?
 
2013-09-23 08:29:21 PM
Senator Cruz, I say this as someone directly affected by your actions as senator, despite not living anywhere close to Texas: GO FARK YOURSELF

Just let me do my job without it being a federal offense to do so because you have to get in your political points to make an ill-fated attempt to run for the presidency. No one is amused of your antics, no one is afraid you'll win. You have lost good sir. You have lost and there is no way for you to come out of this smelling any better than a bed of shiat-filled roses.

You want to run around and play Second Coming of Jefferson or whatever founding father you want to bastardize, that's fine, but your actions have serious consequences to those who just want to help make this country a little bit better for the rest of us. Is that too much to ask, you Canadian schmuck?
 
2013-09-23 08:29:23 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.


And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?
 
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